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> The Poppy, Floors o the forest
Heather
post 15th Nov 2010, 12:33am
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Al, I understand what you are getting at.

We have all lost family and friends we were close to and have cried rivers over them and like you think about them often. But I think it is only right we should wear a Poppy which I do every year, and remember at this time of the year those who died giving their lives for this Country.

Freedom is not free, remember those who died for it.


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post 15th Nov 2010, 12:46am
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I totally agree with you Heather, after all the Poppy is a mark of respect for those who gave their lives and freedom so that we could have ours, so little to give them in return


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post 15th Nov 2010, 01:28am
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Poppy day is a strange day for me over here in Germany; and I don't mean because I'm on the other side of the Rhein unsure.gif but because of how the Germans celebrate the 11th of the 11th ... they party!
I do appreciate and respect Poppy day and honour the 2 minutes silence in respect of those fallen in wars ... and because of them; I had a young Scottish, catholic, mate who had been in Belfast with the British Army and he used to tell me of his torment over there as a catholic in British uniform.
He overdosed in Bayern, in the Winter Olympics village of Lengries.
But Tommy died earlier in Belfast.
I Remember him too on the 11th of the 11th.

But over here the 11th of the 11th represents the start of fasching; a carnival period of Christian tradition with Germanic and Celtic roots, which ends somewhere in February/March depending on area. So you watch the news and see the Cenotaph and 2 minutes silence then a minute later you're watchin' thousands of people up in Cologne gettin smashed at the beginning of fasching.

Understandably; I suppose, it's only in the last few short years that Germans openly honour their war dead (Iraq and Afghanistan brought that on) but the only meaning that the 11th of the 11th has for a German is the start of the winter fasching. I like fasching and the meaning behind it but I do wish they could settle for a different starting date.
Every year when it comes around I get from Mary, I know, I know ... it's the moment when you in Britain... she's heard it that often.


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post 15th Nov 2010, 09:38am
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Heather,

Your words were written by expat Scot Eric Bogle and have been recorded by artists from all over the world. I first heard them on a Fureys Album I bought many years ago and, as I've just pointed out on the Sing Song Topic, I've just finished teaching the song to my class at school.

Eric Bogle also wrote the song 'And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda', yet another song I love introducing the kids in my class to, each year.

You can listen to both on the Sing Song Topic.

Please enjoy !

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post 15th Nov 2010, 11:03am
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Interesting wee postscript, tombro - have you noticed the new member from your part of the world, who's just come on? (In where in Glasgow are you from?) Aussie Don
You appear to already have a bit in common.


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post 30th Nov 2010, 11:01am
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Hi tombro i once had that song on tape sang by Liam Clancy and Tommy Makim its a haunting story aboot a young devil may care aussie lad who in the words o the song waltzed his matilda all over ,I think its aboot the action on Suva Bay where the Turks decimated a commonwealth force .

Any wies he is maimed fer life i.e ''i looked at the place where my legs used tae be no more waltzing Matilda fer me'' sad sad song ,i have a great dread just now i have 5 grandson's 4 who are of an age where if conscription was to be reintroduced these young men could end up in this farce o a war that is going on in the middle east.

There is also the threat of war in Korea where an auld decrepit egomaniac dwarf is sabre rattling this would also be a conflict we would end up fighting in ,i had an aulder cousin Alistair Rae who fought in the last stushie ower there he was never the same man when he came back, man its wan helluva world. P.s tombro my wee song was lost when my tape recorder chewed it up ,have searched fer it noo fer many years withoot sucess .
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post 30th Nov 2010, 05:31pm
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Aye Tombro, I heard 'Waltzing Matilda ' years ago, the words always seems to me to be a very true.


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post 1st Dec 2010, 09:23am
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For Auldbutcher, Heather and all of those who have contributed to this post !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG48Ftsr3OI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrQnnZJ68Xo

Long may we remember them,
Lest we forget !

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post 1st Dec 2010, 11:24am
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Thank you tombro fer that site.

And amen tae that lest we forget
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post 26th Jan 2011, 08:59am
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QUOTE (tombro @ 15th Nov 2010, 07:16pm) *
Heather,

Your words were written by expat Scot Eric Bogle and have been recorded by artists from all over the world. I first heard them on a Fureys Album I bought many years ago and, as I've just pointed out on the Sing Song Topic, I've just finished teaching the song to my class at school.

Eric Bogle also wrote the song 'And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda', yet another song I love introducing the kids in my class to, each year.

You can listen to both on the Sing Song Topic.

Please enjoy !

Tombro rolleyes.gif

I've still got the original Bushwhackers album,(circa 1976) when the song was first aired. I knew an Eric Bogle who was a folk singer in Scotland. I dont know if they are one and the same. The Eric Bogle came to Australia in about the same decade as myself.
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post 11th Nov 2011, 01:16pm
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QUOTE (Heather @ 14th Nov 2010, 06:09pm) *
The Green Fields of France

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyiLfSHSqds

Well, how ya doing, young Willie McBride?
Do you mind if I sit here, down by your graveside?
And l rest for a while in the warm summer sun,
I've been walking all day, Lord, and I'm nearly done.
I see by your gravestone, you were only nineteen,
When you joined the great war in 1916.
Well I hope you died quick and I hoped you died clean.
Or Willie McBride, was it slow and obscene?

Did they beat the drum slowly?
Did they sound the fife lowly?
Did the rifles fire o'er ye as they lowered ye down?
Did the band play the last Post and chorus?
Did the pipes play the Fleurs o' the Forest?

And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind?
In some faithful heart is your memory enshrined?
And though you died back in 1916,
To that loyal heart, are you always 19?
Or are you a stranger, without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some glass pane,
In an old photograph, torn, 'n' tattered and stained,
And fading to yellow in a brown leather frame?

Well the sun's shining now on these Green Fields of France.
The warm wind blows gently and the red poppies dance.
The trenches have vanished long under the plough.
No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.
But here in this graveyard it's still No Man's Land,
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand.
To man's blind indifference to his fellow man,
And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.

And I can't help but wonder now Willie McBride,
Do all those who lie here, really know why they died?
Did you really believe them when they told you the cause?
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
The suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame,
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain.
For Willie McBride it all happened again,
And again and again and again and again.

The link below shows the sad story of a Lincolnshire mother who lost 5 sons in "The Great War to end all wars"

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Eventually the newspapers picked up the story of Mrs Beechey’s fivefold bereavement. In April 1918 she was presented to King George V and Queen Mary. When the Queen commented on her great sacrifice, she responded: ‘It was no sacrifice, Ma’am. I did not give them willingly.

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...l#ixzz1dOpn3CHm


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post 11th Nov 2011, 10:50pm
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QUOTE (Dunvegan @ 26th Jan 2011, 09:25am) *
I've still got the original Bushwhackers album,(circa 1976) when the song was first aired. I knew an Eric Bogle who was a folk singer in Scotland. I dont know if they are one and the same. The Eric Bogle came to Australia in about the same decade as myself.

Hi Dunvegan
It's the same man a great singer/writer .I think I've every album he made and if you get a chance to see him live you wont regret it
Cheers Tam C
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post 12th Nov 2011, 06:03am
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What's happened to AuldButcher? Haven't seen him here for months?
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post 12th Nov 2011, 11:35am
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QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 11th Nov 2011, 12:42pm) *
The link below shows the sad story of a Lincolnshire mother who lost 5 sons in "The Great War to end all wars".

THH, I read that story yesterday and thought how that poor woman must have suffered for such a bloody, stupid war that had no meaning or reason, except the organised mass slaughter of a generation of young men just to appease the stupidity and vanity of the ruling class.

How sad it is also, that today we live in a country where there is an epidemic of thefts of war memorials, just so that the thieves can sell them for scrap to take advantage of inflated metal prices.

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post 12th Nov 2011, 11:51am
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Well I hope you died quick and I hoped you died clean.
Or Willie McBride, was it slow and obscene?

It was obscene.

Laying the blame:

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/balkan_causes.htm
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Few issues in modern history have received as much attention as assigning blame for the outbreak of the World War in 1914. The debate began during the war itself as each side tried to lay blame on the other, became part of the "war guilt" question after 1918, went through a phase of revisionism in the 1920s, and was revived in the 1960s thanks to the work of Fritz Fischer.

This lecture also deals with the causes of World War I, but does so from a Balkan perspective. Certainly Great Power tensions were widespread in 1914, and those tensions caused the rapid spread of the war after it broke out, but many previous Great Power crises had been resolved without war. Why did this particular episode, a Balkan crisis that began with a political murder in Bosnia, prove so unmanageable and dangerous?


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