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*Martinjmurray* Posted 19th Nov 2017, 09:24pm
  Lindylou08 any information on Jon Brady case would be useful. I see he lived in carrack street, but it's totally demolished.
Guest Posted 25th Oct 2017, 12:30pm
  Diane decent anything that you can provide would be helpful.
martinjmurray Posted 16th Nov 2015, 09:46pm
  Hi I have contact details of a guy who is related to John Lyons. I have details of thru the case. Message me and I'll help
Yvonne todd Posted 10th Nov 2015, 11:51am
 
QUOTE (Diane Deveney @ 23rd Sep 2008, 07:32pm) *
Hi
Patrick Deveney had 5 children. 3 are still alive and the 2 youngest are dead. My dad was aged 7 at the time of the murder. The children were in school at the time of the incident but my dad recalls coming home from school and witnessing the grusome aftermath. The family were placed in care and experienced a traumatic and stigmatised childhood. All 5 went on to marry and have families of their own. Betty died aged 36 of alcohol related problems and Jimmy died aged 50 of a sudden cardiac arrest. George, Hugh and Sadie are still alive and fairly well. We are a close family. My cousin did a lot of research into this a few years ago so I'll ask her if she knows anything which may help you with your research.

rumcdonald Posted 26th Dec 2014, 06:40pm
  Hi Anne
I knew the Crosbie family from Govanhill, and I met a friend in Canada who was related to them. I am doing a bit of Ancestry of the Crosbie's but forget Margaret Crosbie's parents names. My mum knew Mrs Crosble but my mum has passed away. I believe Margaret remarried Robert Fleming..or am I wrong? Could you remind me of Margaret Crosbie's parents names? I will keep in touch with you regarding researching the family tree. Cheers Ruth
rumcdonald Posted 26th Dec 2014, 06:23pm
 
QUOTE (Anne Symons @ 11th Jul 2012, 01:04pm) *
My mother Margaret Crosbie was married to John Lyons who was hanged for murder in Glasgow 19 the 1940's. Please can anyone help me to find out more information. My Uncles who were with him are now both dead as is the rest of my mums brothers so apart from the stories from my mum, I have no factual information. I have seen some comments on here previously advising that John was innocent and my mum and her brothers always maintained this was true. I know the reasons why John took the blame. My mum loved him and talked of him right to the end of her life in 1997.

Please can anyone direct me to where I can get further information from.

rumcdonald Posted 26th Dec 2014, 05:59pm
 
QUOTE (Anne Symons @ 11th Jul 2012, 01:04pm) *
My mother Margaret Crosbie was married to John Lyons who was hanged for murder in Glasgow 19 the 1940's. Please can anyone help me to find out more information. My Uncles who were with him are now both dead as is the rest of my mums brothers so apart from the stories from my mum, I have no factual information. I have seen some comments on here previously advising that John was innocent and my mum and her brothers always maintained this was true. I know the reasons why John took the blame. My mum loved him and talked of him right to the end of her life in 1997.

Please can anyone direct me to where I can get further information from.

Elderslie Posted 9th Mar 2014, 04:12pm
 
QUOTE (martinjmurray @ 21st Jul 2012, 11:51am) *
Hi I have picture of your mum and her brothers from William. They lived in Gorbals and Govanhill, Cumberland Street and Jamieson Street in Govanhill, which is close to where I used to live.
Some of the latter street still stands, the former was demolished in 1960's and is unreconisable today.
There were three convicted but two were reprieved, only John was executed, first since 1928 and first at Barlinnie. I used to be on the vistining committee there so can advise the Hanging cell was demolished in 1998 and D hall is totally revamped.
Any help from a family point of view would be useful to try to get balance in my research.
The guy who died was a demobbed sailor who lived inn Carrick street hostel, again now demolished. He had only been demobbed recently. Seems his brother was a member of the local gang.
He had 20+ injuries so one person could not have done it. John was apparently the one who said your boy's over there and threw away a bayonet. He had previously been a coal miner in Alloa near where I now live.
martinjmurray77@hotmail.com for anyone who can help. Intention is to finish research publish and pay royalities to Victim Support and families of murder victims.


martin - although I am too young to have any first-hand evidence with regard to the Crosbie, Lyon , Lennie trial, I am related to John [later known as Alex] Lennie. The story 'whispered' down through the family in the years that followed was that he wasn't involved. Another man who resembled him and who the whole Gorbals area knew was involved, accompanied the Crosbie brothers and their brother-in-law John Lyons that night.
The [perhaps naive] thinking of the accused was that a gang fight had occurred and that nobody could be found guilty of murder as nobody would know the identity of the person striking the fatal blow . They took poor solicitors advice. Nodding here towards an earlier contributor - I am NOT saying that a gang fight took place that evening.
Certainly in the case of Lennie who'd maintained he did not alight the tram at the locus that night and was identified by several persons as having met a female a good distance from the area of the murder at the time it occurred, the advice would appear to be of an incredulous nature.
During the trial Lennie received private advice from a Glasgow solicitor called Dunlop who assured him that the defence line being followed by others would almost certainly see him hang. This caused disagreement between the various accused which continued down through at least 2 later generations of the families and resulted in an oblique mention in Jimmy Boyle's book 'A Sense Of Freedom' when his taking part in a mass disturbance involving weapons was told .
For what it's worth, I was always told that the boy Lyons also wasn't involved.
The poor victim of this murder was a sailor. Something never mentioned when discussing this tragic event is, Lennie was an army dispatch rider.
Black Pudding Pete Posted 3rd Jan 2014, 01:09am
  Hi, would be very interested if anyone Had information with respect to the execution of John Caldwell on 10.08.46. I have read both Robert Colquhoun and James Carron's books and I am familiar with the material contained therein.

What I am really looking for is a picture of John, so if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards.
tarzan Posted 2nd Sep 2013, 02:28pm
  Haven't scrolled through all postings so apologies if someone has already put this up. No executions in Scotland from 1928-1946. Total executions in Scotland during the 20th century : 34 (33 men and one woman).

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/scottish.html

Name, Age, Prison

> Patrick Leggett, 30, Duke St. Glasgow
> Thomas Gunning, 48, Duke St. Glasgow
> Pasha Liffey, 20, Duke St. Glasgow
> Joseph Hume, 24, Inverness
> Edward Johnstone, 32, Perth
> Alexander Edmundstone, 23, Perth
> Patrick Higgins, 38, Calton Edinburgh
> Thomas McGuiness, 34, Duke St. Glasgow
> James Adams, 31, Duke St. Glasgow
> Albert James Fraser, 24, Duke St. Glasgow
> James Rollins, 23, Duke St. Glasgow
> William Harkness, 31, Duke St. Glasgow
> John Henry Savage, 50, Calton Edinburgh
> Susan Newell, 30, Duke St. Glasgow
> Philip Murray, 31, Calton Edinburgh
> John Keen, 22, Duke St. Glasgow
> James McKay, 40, Duke St. Glasgow
> George Reynolds, 40, Duke St. Glasgow
> Allen Wales, 22, Saughton Edinburgh
> John Lyon, 21, Barlinnie Glasgow
> Patrick Carraher, 40, Barlinnie Glasgow
> John Caldwell, 20, Barlinnie Glasgow
> Stanislaw Miszka, 23, Perth
> Christopher Harris, 28, Barlinnie Glasgow
> James Robertson, 31, Barlinnie Glasgow
> Robert Dobie Smith, 30, Saughton Edinburgh
> James Smith, 21, Barlinnie Glasgow
> Patrick Gallagher Deveney, 42, Barlinnie Glasgow
> George Francis Shaw, 25, Barlinnie Glasgow
> John Lynch, 45, Saughton Edinburgh
> George Alexander Robertson, 40, Saughton Edinburgh
> Peter Manuel, 31, Barlinnie Glasgow
> Anthony Miller, 19, Barlinnie Glasgow
> Henry John Burnett, 21, Aberdeen

All of these executions were for murder. There were 12 hangings at Duke Street prison Glasgow, prior to closure in 1955 and then 10 at Glasgow's Barlinnie prison. Four were carried out in Edinburgh's Saughton prison, with three at the Calton prison there, prior to its closure. There were three at Perth and one each at Aberdeen and Inverness. Susan Newell was the only woman executed.
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