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> Uk Independence Referendum - Brexit, Yes or No on EU membership
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john.mcn
post 12th Sep 2017, 07:56pm
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QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 12th Sep 2017, 09:41am) *
I repeatedly shake my head; as opposed to bashing it off the wall, when I recall how when Scotland prepared to vote on the Referendum to leave or stay with the United Kingdom, the leaders of all the major political parties came up over the border, sans golf clubs and caddies - one even bringing promises chizzled in stone like some latter day Moses - and all to inform us of how leaving the UK, a fully paid up member of the European Union, would mean leaving that European Community and having to apply as a sovereign state to join the queue to join the EU.
I often wonder how many voters in Scotland were swayed by that arguement ... and if they are now pulling their hair out at being dragged, perhaps kicking and screaming, out of the EU by the democratic decision of the majority of the UK residents ... which happens to be English.



If Scotland voted YES to leave the UK then as Scotland was not a member it would not be part of the EU. As we are part of the UK then we already fulfilled the necessary EU laws then I believe that upon applying we would have been accepted in the medium to long term but some sort of deal would have applied in the short term, This would not only be to secure the rights of EU citizens in Scotland but also because the rUK would want to ensure trade within the British Isles would not be affected.
One thing that is clear seeing the SNPs actions, inc voting against the public having the right to vote on the EU, is that they were not going to allow the Scottish public a say over whether we wanted an Independent Scotland to join the EU or not.

How many voters were swayed or not we will never know, it's possible that EU citizens may have been but there were not enough of them to change the result even if every single one of them voted and voted NO, how would that look anyway, Scotland dragged out of the UK against the will of the Scottish.
I live in a constituency that also conveniently covers the council area which is how the Ref votes were counted, not only was it one of the highest NO votes in Scotland, it also was one of the highest remain votes as well. On June of this year the SNP MP was rejected and the conservatives took back the seat they lost in 1997. It was not the only one, the Conservatives increased their MPs from one to thirteen and came second place in votes to the SNP. This is Sturgeons legacy, she mistakenly thought that people would pick the EU over the UK and given another vote I reckon that knowing Sturgeon would use peoples remain vote as an excuse to drag up another referendum then a lot of the voters would switch to leave.


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post 12th Sep 2017, 09:57pm
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QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 11th Sep 2017, 11:01pm) *
Apply for refugee status in Germany ...

I once stood behind the Celtic goal mouth at Parkhead wi' a bunch of mates at aNew Year's old firm match when Big John Greig ran all the way down the field in the 90th minute to put it behind the net to make it 1:0.
I forgot where I was for a moment and threw my hands up in the air with a rousing cheer.
A moment later I was over the wee wall and heading up to my right and the hope of rescue from the chasing cops and the missile hurling mob I was desperately trying to escape; having pulled my concealed Rangers scarf out from underneath my jacket and taking my chances on getting hung for a sheep as a lamb. tongue.gif
I was successfully rescued by Gers fans who pushed me into the crowd. 1963 I think, or '64.

My old man went mad ... he said he saw it on the telly.

Now, with a good lawyer I could claim that returning to Scotland might still cost me my life laugh.gif yes.gif


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post 28th Sep 2017, 09:41am
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Sir David Attenborough says that Brexiteers spat in the face of Europe when we voted to leave, having said that he doesnt think we are evil !
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post 29th Sep 2017, 11:12am
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By Nick Williams who wrote and researched this:
Below is a breakdown of the taxes paid each year from a person who earns £25,200pa.
Welfare: £1,901
The EU: £28
Debt: £363
Health: £993
Education: £743
Public order: £284
Defence: £329
Housing: £113
Infastructure, agriculture and industry: £329
Government administration: £125
Overseas aid: £57
Recreation, religion and culture: £113
Environment: £96
Other: £227
Total earnings: £25,200
Take home pay: £19,497.88
Total tax paid: £5,702.12
Many Brexiters would have you belive that the EU 'steals' or 'racketeers' money from the average tax payer.
To put this in to perspective, if you earned £25,200pa and your wages were reduced by £28 per annum would you feel the pinch? No. Could you still pay your rent? Yes of course you could.
What could one buy for £28? 10 cups of coffee? A pair of jeans? Of course you could donate it to charity or give it to a homeless person, maybe buy a dominoes pizza with stuffed crust. Up to you really... I do fancy a pizza now though.
So what does £28 get you with the European Union?
- The ability to travel visa free to 27 other countries with rich cultures and histories.
- The opportunity to set up a business and sell products to over 700 million potential customers.
- Access to over 3 million jobs.
- The opportunity to study and attend some ofnthe best universities on the planet accross in 27 other countries.
- Gain skills and life experiences which help you in the job market and other ventures.
- The opportunity to live in 27 other countries.
- The opportunity to hire skilled individuals from other countries who bring cross qualifications and diverse skills to your busienss.
- Investment in areas of your community which the goverment neglect.
- Progressive legislation which protect your rights, the environment and business.
- Investment in public services, scientific research, architecture and agricultural projects.
Now, let's see the costs of you stopping your £28pa payment:
- Economic disaster and skill shortages across the country causing wage stagnation and regression.
- Fewer jobs.
- An estimated minimum £58.7 billion and potentially going up to £100 billion coming from goverment borrowing and you guessed it, your taxes. Worked out on the £58.7 billion number you will paying £225pa in taxes so almost 10x what you currently pay in to be a member of the EU.
- You're also sacrificing and putting your rights at risk and in to the hands of the tories.
- Less foreign investment and smaller busiensses struggling / shutting down.
- Less investment in infrastructure, research, universities, agriculture, environmental projects and all of the above mentioned areas.
- Businesses moving abroad.
The costs of Brexit far out way any positive which the UK MAY get.
The WTO say so, the EU say so, the USA have turned their backs on us, 9 out of 10 economists say so.


Copied from FB. No idea who nick Williams is, and so the research can be dismissed as rubbish. Feel free.








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post 29th Sep 2017, 12:56pm
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post 16th Oct 2017, 08:34am
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"Theresa May 'begged' Juncker for help"

Not so "Strong and Stable" apparently. unsure.gif


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