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> Old Firm Antics: Mountain Or Molehill?, Legitimate concern or gross over-reaction
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post 7th Mar 2011, 11:24am
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laugh.gif i am in ma 60s now and in my early years followed Rangers, the old firm games were always a bit hairy to go to , but most fans screwed the bobbin and stayed clear of the trouble that was around you , there always was and still is a minority of people who look for trouble, nowadays though as well as the people at the game you have thousands in the pubs and clubs getting well bladdered before and during the game, so its obvious the chances of trouble are multiplied , i am afraid for me the police chief who is up in arms and calling for the old firm games to be banned is in cloud cookoo land , maybe the police have it too easy nowadays , in my area if you see a policeman you feel like asking for his autograph as it is so rare nowadays, so when there is a bit of trouble they seem to take offence to be asked to do their job, the argument of domestic violence , i cant really go with that as these numpties dont need a fitbaw match for that , they do that when anything upsets them, the answer for me is get the clubs to ban supporters who are looking for trouble and arrest as many as possible , but give the courts the ammunition to really hammer these people, none of this community service as a punishment, a couple of years in the Bar-L will soon dampen their ardour
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post 7th Mar 2011, 01:10pm
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Having Protestant and Catholic backgrounds, I tend to leave this game alone as my inlaws are staunch "Rangers".

One might get a doing if he mentioned Celtic.

But politicians need to keep the hell out of this game.

They've screw up the world as is, led by the "YANKS' a truly sorry bunch of 500 so leave footbal to the footballers, the "League" can handle the necessary means to apportion finers or whatever.

Rivalries are rivalries, I see the same intensity in the English Premier League, i.e. kicking, head butting and elbows.

Simply don't go to the game, its been this way for 40 years I know of.
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post 7th Mar 2011, 01:42pm
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Nice to see weeshuggie being so objective and totally non-partisan. laugh.gif

Speaking as someone who actually attends games I think it's all been blown out of proportion, although some of the combatant club officials need to refrain from the winding-up of opponents whilst getting so easily wound up themselves.
When I suggest a lot worse has gone on in the past, it's not to defend the scenes from Wednesday night, but more to question the motives for this sudden involvement of sundry police officers and politicians.
Quite possibly, the police, under pressure like all public sectors to reduce costs, would like to hand over the full charge of policing to the two clubs thereby freeing up the money they have to pay out of their budget and so intend to make the most of highlighting the situation to push their case.
The politicians? Well, history tells us that when the country is in such a state, they dearly love any opportunity to deflect attention away from their own failings (somebody already mentioned Salmond's tendency to jump onto any convenient bandwagon). Maybe they should be focussing their attention on the circumstances that make Scotland such a hell-hole of binge-drinking and violence on a weekly basis and then, just maybe, the general level of behaviour in Scotland - and not just at football matches - would significantly improve.
"T in the park" to an increasing degree year on year seems to suffer from a wide-spread drug problem, binge drinking, stabbings, sexual assaults and multiple arrests - I await the day that Salmond and Co jump on the bandwagon to ban that event.


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post 7th Mar 2011, 02:17pm
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Don't think Salmond will jump on the "T in the Park" bandwagon – the only wagons he boards are the ones approaching an election.
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post 7th Mar 2011, 02:23pm
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The recent Old Firm controversy is the end product ( release valve) ... of the Act of Settlement ... i.e No Catholic allowed on the throne ... and also the barring of a Roman Cathoilic being allowed to act as Prime Minister.

One good way of looking at this situation is ... 'Well at least we are not shooting each other ... The battle is on the playing field ....
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post 7th Mar 2011, 02:43pm
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Another Old Firm match another wee spat.

However if you take McCoist and Lennon out of the equation,everyone else involved were not brought up in the Rangers /Celtic tradition.

You also have police chief,s calling for the fixture to be banned. If their wishes were to be granted would that not be the first step to a police state?

You also have wee Salmond putting His tuppence worth in, how many Old firm games has he been to where he has actually bought a ticket to watch the match? He usually gets His tickets from freejunketslapupmeal.com.

Before both teams had their stadiums re-developed, Old Firm matches were watched by 100,000 plus at Ibrox and 80,000 plus at Parkhead, in the days when you could actually take booze into the game.

Perhaps the police chief's should do some research and compare the arrest rates then to the figures of today, as Ibrox holds 50% and Celtic park 80% of their capacities.

Old Firm games have been a tradition of growing up in the West of Scotland for over 100 Years. And even if both sides played each other every week, you would still get capacity crowds. So to call for them to be banned would be like asking David Coulthard to win a formula 1 Grand Prix in a home made bogey.
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post 7th Mar 2011, 03:30pm
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QUOTE (weeshuggie @ 6th Mar 2011, 11:45pm) *
No Jupiter, time has already told, hundreds of rangers bigots encouraged by some idiotic you tube post contacted the police demanding action. I have just discovered that 40% of Rangers supporters have deaf sisters who are absolutely crap at lip reading, must be Scottish education flaw. The whole farce has been created to deflect attention away from the thuggery of Rangers players. Diouf says in the Record that Lennon is no racist, however that won't stop the religiously bigoted, did I say religiously, religious, these morons couldn't find a religious arena wae a satnav that only located rosary beads and presbyterian bibles.
Mountain out a mole hill, yes in Lennon's case and no in Rangers case where their outrageous actions have been covered up by a smear and typical idiotic claim of racism.

Death threats, threats to his family, bullets in the post, all for having your team win a few games. The cry is that Lennon incited all this hatred. Paddy McCourt and Nial Mc Ginn were sent bullets too, their contribution to inciting hatred, they are Catholic and from Northern Ireland. Yes how the media change the facts.

Obviously a Celtic supporter Sir.
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post 7th Mar 2011, 06:40pm
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Paplo boy canny work whit team you support ,hard wan tae work oot innit weeshug laugh.gif wink.gif
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post 7th Mar 2011, 06:47pm
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QUOTE (auldbutcher @ 7th Mar 2011, 08:03pm) *
Paplo boy canny work whit team you support ,hard wan tae work oot innit weeshug laugh.gif wink.gif


Ye could ay ask whit school he went tae. rolleyes.gif


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post 7th Mar 2011, 07:03pm
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I cant believe all the hype the old firm game is getting are the media with all there lies trying to start a bloodbath at the next old firm game all we saw was two teams going at it hammer and tongs two coaches having a wee handbag fight yet the media have turned it into world war three and we have the mindless bigots believing there gutter press lets bring back some sanity for all our sakes.
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post 7th Mar 2011, 07:09pm
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Can anyone say what was supposed to have been said and lip read?
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post 7th Mar 2011, 07:17pm
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No but if you are desperate to know try the Sunday Mail website


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post 7th Mar 2011, 07:36pm
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Thanks Ashfield but Ill forego that literary pleasure.
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**ANDY**
post 7th Mar 2011, 09:13pm
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Very well said, Sir. I wholeheartedly agree - best to give that rag a miss!

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post 7th Mar 2011, 09:14pm
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I think it is disgraceful the way that politicians try to hijack any high-profile or controversial event as a way of trying to divert attention from the fact that is them who are failing to do the jobs they are paid very well to do (with or without lavish expenses). A couple of weeks ago a middle-aged woman was attacked and raped in Glasgow city centre by a gang of fiends. It was the latest in a series of similar assaults in Glasgow. One Glasgow MSP was subsequently forced to resign after he suggested that the victim might be a prostitute who had put herself in harms way.

Politicians are employed to deal with the underlying causes of problems in society in a professional, responsible and effective manner. It is totally unacceptable that Glasgow's politicians not only consistently fail to do their jobs, but also are prepared to jump on any and every bandwagon that comes along that might divert attention from their own laziness and incompetence.

When are we going to have politicians in this once-great city who are (i) conscientious, (ii) productive and (iii) fit for purpose?
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