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> Is Digital Technology Dehumanizing Us?
DannyH
post 11th Aug 2016, 10:12pm
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Recent events and personal observations have me worried about the future of the human race.

Let me start by giving the dictionary definition of 'dehumanize'.

It is to "Remove the POSITIVE human qualities from".

So I will start with 'motherly love and fatherly love'

I cannot be alone in observing how many babies and infants are completely ignored by their parents when out in public. The digital device in the parents' hands are given full attention; the child is completely ignored.

If two people are walking together, it is odds on that one or both of them will be giving their digital device their full attention. The same goes when people are out dining together. The art of conversation is being replaced by, "Look at this".

I think that children who have been born say within the last five years, and generations who have still to be born, and who have never experienced a world without digital technology, will grow up thinking it is mandatory to carry a digital device. My own personal feeling is that this will have a detrimental affect on the mental wellbeing of future generations.

Young children are now entering competitions, on a mass scale, for digitised war games etc. This means that to enter these competitions they have to had spent hours playing these games to reach the required entry standard.

I will use two events which happened this week to illustrate why I have concern for the future of mankind.

Someone posted on the internet that she had allowed her two young daughters to be present at the birth of their young sister. This went 'viral' as they say, on Social Media. Other women started posting what they had done. One woman posted she had 24 people in the room to watch her giving birth to her baby. I always thought that women in labour were concerned about the baby's welfare and that the mother would have enough on her mind for obvious reasons, that Social Media would be the last thing she would be concerned about.

On the news tonight it was reported, sadly, that a wee boy of 4 had drowned in a swimming pool whilst on holiday with his parents. His Dad went on to Social Media to praise the wee boy and tell the world what a wondeful son he had lost.

I don't know about how you feel about that, but I would have been absolutely distraught if I had lost a child in similar circumstances. My wife and I would have been torn to pieces mentally.

Please remember these are just a couple of my observations. I know I am elderly and as each generation comes along the older generations sometimes think the world has changed for the worst. I wrote my first computer program in 1967. So I have seen digital technology evolve over the years. This is the first time that technology has allowed children to be one step ahead of their parents.

This is early days in the development of digital technology. Future generations wont need legs. Just sit in front of a screen and everything will be done for you by robots. In an insane asylum of course.

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post 11th Aug 2016, 10:32pm
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Thanks Danny, an excellent post on a topic that I am very interested in - to say the least.

Is Digital Technology Dehumanizing Us? I would unequivocally respond "yes". Unfortunately, some of the most powerful companies in the world have a huge vested interest in not only denying the harm done by omnipresent, mass-consumed technology, but these companies also stifle any meaningful debate on the issue.

I'm logging off now! However, one great that I would highly recommend:
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The Shallows: How the Internet is Changing the Way We Think, Read and Remember

In this ground-breaking and compelling book, Nicholas Carr argues that not since Gutenberg invented printing has humanity been exposed to such a mind-altering technology. The Shallows draws on the latest research to show that the Net is literally re-wiring our brains inducing only superficial understanding. As a consequence there are profound changes in the way we live and communicate, remember and socialise - even in our very conception of ourselves. By moving from the depths of thought to the shallows of distraction, the web, it seems, is actually fostering ignorance. The Shallows is not a manifesto for luddites, nor does it seek to turn back the clock. Rather it is a revelatory reminder of how far the Internet has become enmeshed in our daily existence and is affecting the way we think. This landmark book compels us all to look anew at our dependence on this all-pervasive technology.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shallows-Internet-...5BS3G6KKB43QN6Y

Another very promising book that I started reading last week:
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Mind Change: How digital technologies are leaving their mark on our brains

In Mind Change, Susan Greenfield discusses the all-pervading technologies that now surround us, and from which we derive instant information, connected identity, diminished privacy and exceptionally vivid here-and-now experiences. In her view they are creating a new environment, with vast implications, because our minds are physically adapting: being rewired. What could this mean, and how can we harness, rather than be harnessed by, our new technological milieu to create better alternatives and more meaningful lives? Using the very latest research, Mind Change is intended to incite debate as well as yield the way forward. There is no better person to explain the situation in a way we can understand, and to offer new insights on how to improve our mental capacities and well being.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mind-Change-digita...g/dp/1846044316

That's all for now, but it would be very interesting to read the thoughts of others on this very important and somewhat controversial topic.

P.S. I'm amazed that you first computer program in 1967. Well done!

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post 12th Aug 2016, 10:42am
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Thanks for your comments Martin. I will get a hold of the books you have referred to.

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Danny
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post 12th Aug 2016, 09:53pm
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 11th Aug 2016, 11:12pm) *
This is early days in the development of digital technology. Future generations wont need legs. Just sit in front of a screen and everything will be done for you by robots. In an insane asylum of course.

Danny Harris


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post 13th Aug 2016, 11:06am
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I think that the short answer to Danny's question is 'Yes'.
People seem to be losing their personal, face to face connection.
On their phones in a restaurant. How can you savour good food and conversation with your friends/partner?
At a gig/concert - watching and filming through your phone. Might as well watch it on telly as the atmosphere is missing anyway.
Fans meeting stars/celebrities/royalty/etc. I think it is so rude to stick a phone in someone's face if they come over to shake your hand/give you an autograph or whatever.
Parents allowing young children to surf the net with no supervision. Given what's out there this is so irresponsible and could be dangerous. Not to mention letting them do it or play games for hours - lazy parenting.
Trolling? Cowardly and disgusting. There seems to be no recognition that they are real people with real feelings, etc., not just easy targets.

Computers are wonderful - but use with care - and spend more time off your backside!
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post 13th Aug 2016, 12:10pm
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Thank you Betsy for getting this topic back on track. I was hoping for meaninful responses, not necessarily agreeing with me, which would generate an intelligent debate. Thanks once again.

The BBC News Channel reported that Dettox camps are springing up across the UK. These are for people who know, or feel, they are addicted to digital technology, and need help.

The BBC interviewed some of the people. The ones interviewed were in their early twenties. They commented that it was wonderful to be out in the country, seeing the sky, the wildlife, etc. It seems that the doors of the asylum have already started to open their doors for the younger generations.


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post 13th Aug 2016, 02:47pm
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I know this is silly but I've wondered why ticking a box marked 'yes' or 'no' couldn't say 'yes please' or 'no thank you'. There's nothing wrong with good manners but it's the mentality behind it that I think is important. It's a subtle (!) hint to the younger generation. You can't blame the parents for this one!
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post 13th Aug 2016, 05:06pm
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I start off by saying this is an excellent, and well constructed topic you've raised here Danny.

I think that if we were alive long enough to see it, future generations will have absolutely nothing to do by their own thoughts and hands, other than pressing buttons and the wee robots do all the work. I think this is sad, but I am equally sure it's how things will be. Sometimes, progress is a wonderful thing, but sometimes if not handled the correct way, it is a very dangerous thing. Furthermore, there are plenty of people around who can make it as dangerous, so I think Governments and Internet Service Providers should do more - just saying!!

Slightly off topic here, but recently when I have been in town, I can't help how lacking in self esteem I see some of the younger folk in my neck of the woods. I can't speak for the rest of Scotland or anywhere else in the UK, but you don't seem to see girls dressed nicely, having taken pride in their appearance, it's not just the girls. They're sloppy and constantly bumping into people, lamposts or whatever because they are so totally entwined in their mobile phones, playing games or texting, or talking on the phone whilst walking down the street. Oblivious to their surroundings.

I had visitors here from Wales this afternoon, who originally came from my town, but left 4 years ago, so they're Ayrshire born and bred, they remarked to me what huge differences they saw just walking around the town, either they hadn't noticed it so much before leaving, or it had become much worse. Like me they were talking about young folk who appeared at least on the surface to us, as not bothering with hair, makeup, clothes, even young women not bothering to carry a bag.

I have no way to know this with certainty but these are probably the same ones who have all sorts of equipment at home for entertainment. This makes me sound ancient because it's a far cry from how we lived, and what we were expected to look like - maybe we were the ones who were wrong, but a little self respect is good, not bad.

I see an even lazier future lying ahead for anyone at or under school age by the time they are in their 20s, 30s and 40s. Is this because of upbringing, technology, or just a modern mindset - I have no idea.

Let's hope books don't become a thing of the past either.

We have so much at our fingertips these days, which is a good thing because if you are over 40 you can relate to how it was beforehand, but today's children don't have that.

I've put a link in here Danny as this is too much to explain, for fear of boring others, but this is my work background, and something I know a lot about - I put the link in for you to go over, merely to say that even way back in time, before we each had computers and mobile phones, and when I did my training at Bletchley Park initially, we were able to communicate all over the world without the internet, and this is still the case, early in my own career by the means of radio and teleprinter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronautical_...ication_Network

There is much more to your subject I could add, but I shall leave it here for now.

I agree with what you have already laid out, and thank you for giving me an interest. I was recently in the 02 shop and chatted to the young guy about when I had my first computer, and my first mobile phone (it was huge) ''did they have mobile phones then'' - he was serious, and I was talking about the early 90s, my first computer at home was in the 80s!!


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post 14th Aug 2016, 01:58am
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I can't wait until computers can think for themselves, because only then will we finally be able to let go and begin to recover from the journey. With the pace of technological change, at 36 years of age I may be fortunate enough to see that day but I doubt I'll have the time to recover. smile.gif
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post 14th Aug 2016, 07:22am
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The day computers 'think' for themselves is the day humans become obsolete. Its a long way off though because programs will always be restricted by the programmers ability.

On the issue of the use of 'smart phones', it is a tad annoying that someone is using it in company but i'm fortunate that most of the people i socialise with are not glued to their screen telling social media how great a time they are having being 'out'. Smartphones in those cases are used to stop me drinking my pint when either i'm blinded by a flash, or i'm grabbed to be in a group selfie.

Kids who play games cant win nowadays, their elders moan that they're never out yet when they do people complain the kids are hanging about and phone the police to move them on, it wasn't too long ago those mosquito speakers were being used to disperse them.



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post 14th Aug 2016, 08:46am
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I envisage a future PC that operates as a secretary and so its user is free to spend more time getting on with life, which I intend to do today so I must now switch mines off.

Shutting down ...
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post 14th Aug 2016, 10:44am
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Well Kem in the future people will have lots more time due to mass unemployment down to machines becoming smarter and everything becoming automated. This is generally accepted, yet we have people here championing population growth as some sort of benefit, what i is doing is making a large problem even larger. With the worlds population growing a billion every 10-15 years there is going to be a lot of angry idle hands who are easily manipulated.


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post 14th Aug 2016, 10:46am
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''even young women not bothering to carry a bag''
Sorry Carmella but I thought that was funny. You obviously have very high standards. Very impressive.
I quite often pop out to the shop with just keys and card in my pocket. No need to carry a handbag too. Different, of course, if going out for lunch or in the evening.
If I had a daughter, I would prefer her to be a little bit scruffy than having an eating disorder because she was trying to look like a skinny model. Fake tan, lots of make-up and asking for a boob job at 15 seems to be the other side of the coin.

I'd like the technology that will not only wash and dry my clothes but iron it too.

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post 14th Aug 2016, 11:19am
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Hello Carmella

The following paragraph was Copied and Pasted from you post

I've put a link in here Danny as this is too much to explain, for fear of boring others, but this is my work background, and something I know a lot about - I put the link in for you to go over, merely to say that even way back in time, before we each had computers and mobile phones, and when I did my training at Bletchley Park initially, we were able to communicate all over the world without the internet, and this is still the case, early in my own career by the means of radio and teleprinter.

Thank you for responding to my initial post on this topic. I opened the link you provided. It gives a good insight in to what happens behind the scenes out of the public gaze.

There are not many people who can put Bletchley Park on their CV! Well done.

I have taken a note of the two books Martin mentioned in his post. It is reassuring that there are other people who are concerned about the affect 'Artificial Intelligence' is having on human beings.

Regrds

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post 14th Aug 2016, 03:16pm
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''even young women not bothering to carry a bag''
Sorry Carmella but I thought that was funny. You obviously have very high standards. Very impressive.
I quite often pop out to the shop with just keys and card in my pocket. No need to carry a handbag too. Different, of course, if going out for lunch or in the evening.
If I had a daughter, I would prefer her to be a little bit scruffy than having an eating disorder because she was trying to look like a skinny model. Fake tan, lots of make-up and asking for a boob job at 15 seems to be the other side of the coin.

I'd like the technology that will not only wash and dry my clothes but iron it too.


Betsy I do the same thing, if I'm nipping out, I have a purse and keys. I've never had children, so I can't speak for what I'd like a daughter or son to behave like. But I never once mentioned anything to do with eating disorders, boob jobs etc. You're entitled to add that in of course, but it wasn't even part of my thinking, and I'm speaking as someone who was very badly bullied at one point in my life - I hasten to add, it was not repeated once put a stop to.


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