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> Jeremy Corbyn Wins Labour Leadership, Elected leader in a landslide victory
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post 15th Sep 2015, 11:29am
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QUOTE (Tally Rand @ 15th Sep 2015, 10:50am) *
This will see the end of the Labour party as it stumbles towards a future of rhetoric and irrelevance.


I only quoted that bit because the rest was right wing media esq codswallop.

anyhoo.....stumble towards??????

you've no really been following the labour parties antics for the last 5 years have you?

I think your clearly out of touch with whats been going on.
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post 15th Sep 2015, 05:34pm
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I don't think Corbyn is a unionist, i know he is, and i never said he's not a nationalist, like you and all the other NO voters he's a British nationalist.

He's neither.

In your head, Jagz, perhaps this argument could work. But it won't.

He isn't interested in winning Scotland's war. His priorities are far more urgent and now at last Sturgeon (and to some extent, even Dugdale laugh.gif) has a worthy Political rival.

Corbyn silent during national anthem.
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john.mcn
post 15th Sep 2015, 06:13pm
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Wow how did you quote a post from the 21st of August when i only started the thread on the 12th of September?


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post 15th Sep 2015, 06:27pm
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post 15th Sep 2015, 06:52pm
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I'm not daft Kem, i know its from another thread i just wondered why bring it up on this instead of the original one.


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post 15th Sep 2015, 07:00pm
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I'm not daft...

Because this is the Jeremy Corbyn thread. sign_lol.gif
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post 15th Sep 2015, 07:34pm
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So post the bloody responce in the thread you quoted. Jagz hasn't posted in this thread and you're just goading him to try to continue your argument from that thread because he stopped responding to you.
Your post and the link to him not singing 'fictional being praise the long past it sell by date head of state' are nothing to do with each other.


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post 15th Sep 2015, 08:23pm
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So post the bloody responce in the thread you quoted. Jagz hasn't posted in this thread and you're just goading him...

Jagz is big and daft enough to respond as he pleases.

I didn't realise you were moderating, sorry.
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post 17th Sep 2015, 01:53pm
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post 17th Sep 2015, 07:16pm
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I'd take that paper back, some bugger has drawn a big arrow on the front page.


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post 17th Sep 2015, 08:30pm
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 15th Sep 2015, 07:42pm) *
So post the bloody responce in the thread you quoted. Jagz hasn't posted in this thread and you're just goading him to try to continue your argument from that thread because he stopped responding to you.
Your post and the link to him not singing 'fictional being praise the long past it sell by date head of state' are nothing to do with each other.

Kemedian seems like a well practised master baiter.

My advice to all is just to ignore him.
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post 17th Sep 2015, 09:13pm
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From Professor Jeremy Gilbert. So good that it has to be posted in full.
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Dear Blairite MP,

I’m writing on behalf of hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members; some new, and some, like me, who have been loyal party members throughout our adult lives. I’m not writing to any one of you in particular.

The ones I’m addressing will know who they are.

It’s time to talk about us.

Come on now. We all know this was never much of a relationship. We never really liked you, and you certainly never liked us.

The whole New Labour project was based on effectively creating a new party, which as far as possible just ignored the old structures of branch meetings and conference resolutions. The leadership spoke to the membership of this new partly directly, via a sympathetic media, while minimising opportunities for members to talk to each other.

Key decisions like the revision of Clause 4 and the election of a leader were made via postal ballots, with almost no deliberative discussion or campaigning. A plebiscitary model replaced the old, complex party democracy.

Members were a passive body who were expected to ratify leadership decisions, make regular contributions, perhaps help to get the vote out at elections, and otherwise remain silent. ‘Activist’ was a term of abuse.

In this new party, the career success of an MP depended almost entirely on how well they could perform a very particular role, always staying ruthlessly on-message, embodying in dress, posture and vocal manner a kind of vaguely classless aspirational culture largely modelled on the behaviour of upper-middle management in the City, or the more conservative media and PR companies.

Tony Blair was the template and Peter Mandelson the ultimate arbiter of success: the chief casting-director of the permanent performance which was New Labour.

You were great at playing this role. Unfortunately, that part has been written out of the script now. So why not move on, eh?

Some of you, we know, really do remain committed to a particular moral vision of meritocratic free-market capitalism, in which social inequality is tolerated – even encouraged – but equality of opportunity is enabled; provided that the only opportunities anyone asks for are those offered by the corporate financial and media sectors (or perhaps, at a stretch, the less political sections of the voluntary sector).

Those of you who really do adhere to that as a moral vision, however limited, should of course stay and fight for what you believe in. So should those members of other tendencies who have genuinely-held beliefs which don’t happen to coincide fully with those of the new leadership.

But many of you don’t. Instead you simply accept, as you always have done, that there is nothing worth knowing or caring about beyond the world of the corporate elite, its assumptions and its interests, and you have yourselves sought a route to prosperity and advancement in the service of that elite: a route which happens to have taken the form of becoming a Labour MP.

The thing is – and we know this is hard for you to take on at first – that route is closed for now, and doesn’t look likely to open up again any time soon. The members have returned en masse, and we’re not getting back in our boxes any times soon, no matter what happens to Jeremy Corbyn and his leadership. Being a Labour MP just isn’t going to be good way to serve, and then join, the global elite class any more.

Because – let’s be honest – if you really ask yourself, isn’t it true that that’s what you were really hoping for out of this job? It’s nothing to ashamed of. You wanted a way into the upper reaches of the professional classes, and becoming an MP is still frankly more interesting and a bit more glamorous than just working your way up through the City or the commercial media.

It’s a career path that even carries with it a decent enough chance of following Blair and others to the heights of the global, billionaire-befriending, super-elite; and if not that, then at least to some Bilderberg meetings, or Davos. Nobody can blame you. You’ve done nothing illegal. Mostly.

But it’s not going to be like that any more. You’re going to be under increasing pressure from a membership whose values and priorities you have never shared, and a corporate class which will become increasingly irritated by your inability to pacify that membership. There is no mechanism for you just to get rid of Corbyn, however badly he may perform, and even if he goes, the membership are just going to be looking for a younger and more dynamic model of basically the same thing.

It’s going to a dreadful bore for you. At best, if you stay on in this job, you’ll have to join your political – but not spiritual – allies, the remnants of the old Labour Right, with all their dogged loyalty to party traditions and their tedious personal integrity, committing yourselves to the gruelling task of just being a good constituency MP for many years. At worst you’re going to face embarrassing re-selection battles and the derision of your Tory counterparts.

You know from the experience of New Labour that a whole new party formation can be created in a very short time. This is exactly what’s happening now. Against all expectations, Labour is transforming into a mass democratic socialist party. Whatever happens to that party, it isn’t going to change back into the one you had a home in.

So why not save us all the pain? Why not just move on?

Follow your heroes David Miliband and Alan Milburn into the corporate end of the NGO sector or the private healthcare industry. Take up those City consultancies. Become a TV historian. Let someone who actually wants the job of being a Labour MP in this new party take it up. Avoid the conflict and the mess and the mutual recrimination. We’ll be better off without each other.

Best of Luck,

Jeremy [ Gilbert].

See also comments here.

GG.


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post 17th Sep 2015, 10:04pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 15th Sep 2015, 06:42pm) *
He's neither.

In your head, Jagz, perhaps this argument could work. But it won't.

He isn't interested in winning Scotland's war. His priorities are far more urgent and now at last Sturgeon (and to some extent, even Dugdale laugh.gif) has a worthy Political rival.

Corbyn silent during national anthem.


Sorry to do this John and everyone else.......kem, what argument?

If you mean that Corbyn can't be a unionist because he didn't sing God Save The Queen then you are talking nonsense, there are many unionists who are not Royalists.

When you say that "He isn't interested in winning Scotland's war. His priorities are far more urgent", that shows the true nature of you and the other NO voters priorities, as for myself and the other YES voters Scotland's future and well-being are the only "urgent" priority.

A bit early to claim Corbyn as a worthy political rival to anyone.
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post 18th Sep 2015, 01:43am
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When you say that "He isn't interested in winning Scotland's war. His priorities are far more urgent", that shows the true nature of you and the other NO voters priorities, as for myself and the other YES voters Scotland's future and well-being are the only "urgent" priority.


And that, my fellow passionate Scot, indicates the staggering extent of your intoxication from the sort of cheap and nasty campaign hype that unfortunately you so often mistake for the truth about me and the other two million NO voters.
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post 19th Sep 2015, 10:16am
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Corbyn appoints fire-raising peer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34288573

Labours theme tune for the next election?


I admit i do like it better than the D-ream crap from Blairs campaign cool.gif


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