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> Jeremy Corbyn Wins Labour Leadership, Elected leader in a landslide victory
john.mcn
post 13th Sep 2015, 05:27pm
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QUOTE (flam @ 13th Sep 2015, 04:47pm) *
But the man was democratically elected


Not by the MP's though.. 7 shadow cabinet resignations so far. I bet there were cheers at Tory central office when his win was confirmed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34237564


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post 13th Sep 2015, 05:41pm
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 13th Sep 2015, 06:35pm) *
Not by the MP's though.. 7 shadow cabinet resignations so far.

This may be no great loss, as the party has been in the doldrums and the current shadow cabinet is the reason for that.


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post 13th Sep 2015, 05:51pm
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I have to admit that most of the people named as leaving, I thought 'who?'!!!

Why is he against Scotland being independent and yet for Irish independence?
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post 13th Sep 2015, 06:32pm
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The Rise Of The Red Flag?

With Jeremy Corbyn becoming the new Labour leader, will we see the likes of Tommy Sheridan and the other extreme Socialist parties coming to the fore again, Corbyn has almost all the same policies of the SNP,except he believes Scotland must stay in the United Kingdom, as this could split the Labour party.

Will they put a little dent in the SNP multitude of voters?

What are the posters thoughts on this subject?
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post 13th Sep 2015, 06:41pm
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It looks like Jeremy Corbyn has got himself into a tricky position.

Some Labour MP's have stated he will put the the Labour Party out of the chance to win an election for the next twenty years.

Think about that for a few seconds, then ask yourself where have these politicians been? Labour won one seat in Scotland at the last General Election, and he is going to set Labour back? Does that mean they expect him to lose that one Labour seat in Scotland?

So, ignoring these worried English Labour MP's, why has Mr Corbyn got himself into a tricky position?

Well in my opinion, he finds himself in a tricky position, because although he personally received the majority of the votes for leader of the Labour Party, he has few supporters of ALL his policies, within the group of MP's from which he can select the Shadow Cabinet.

For example, Tom Watson has accepted the offer to join the Shadow Cabinet. Having accepted the offer, he then states on Television, he disagrees with Mr Corbyn's views on the Nuclear deterrent issue. He then goes on to say the he believes that the UK being part of NATO and having the Nuclear deterrent has helped to maintain PEACE IN THE WORLD FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS!!!

HE DID. HE DID. HE DID!

Over to you Mr Corbyn, Explain that one away. How are you going to convince the UK electorate to vote for a party which has a Shadow Cabinet made up of people who are only there because nobody else would take it? If you have a party where the majority of its MP's disagree with its leader, you are in a tricky position.

Just my view folk, let's hear yours

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Dave Grieve
post 14th Sep 2015, 06:31am
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I don't know anything about the man.
If first impressions are anything to go by, my impressions on looking at his photo was nothing, absolutely nothing.
Not good not bad.
Unlike when I first saw Tony Blair's photo for the first time when my impression was " I don't like the looks of him, I don't think I could trust him."
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post 14th Sep 2015, 08:40am
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 13th Sep 2015, 07:49pm) *
Well in my opinion, he finds himself in a tricky position, because although he personally received the majority of the votes for leader of the Labour Party, he has few supporters of ALL his policies, within the group of MP's from which he can select the Shadow Cabinet.

So, he got himself into a tricky position by getting a landslide victory.

That'll be a hard trick to follow ...


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post 14th Sep 2015, 10:23am
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QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 14th Sep 2015, 09:48am) *
So, he got himself into a tricky position by getting a landslide victory.

That'll be a hard trick to follow ...


Hello Alex

He had a landslide vicory. That was for the leadership of the Labour Party.
I have no other comment to make.
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Alex MacPhee
post 14th Sep 2015, 10:57am
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 14th Sep 2015, 11:31am) *
He had a landslide vicory. That was for the leadership of the Labour Party.

It was, so I'm at a loss to understand how having more people vote for him as leader than any other party leader in history has obtained (including Tony Blair) somehow puts him in a "tricky position". Though I see the stupid wing of the malicious press have started their traditional front page idiocy.


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post 14th Sep 2015, 06:50pm
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QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 14th Sep 2015, 12:05pm) *
It was, so I'm at a loss to understand how having more people vote for him as leader than any other party leader in history has obtained (including Tony Blair) somehow puts him in a "tricky position". Though I see the stupid wing of the malicious press have started their traditional front page idiocy.


Hello again Alex

Yes he obtained more votes than Blair, but Blair had more 'Blairites' MP's , than Corbyn has 'Corbynites' MP's.

Anyway, good luck to Corbyn, we will see how things go for him.

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post 14th Sep 2015, 07:38pm
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I recall when Michael Foot was Labour leader and despite his appearance the man was intellectually gifted but still not able to take down or take on Margaret Thatcher who saw him and then Kinnock off.

They ruled Labour during difficult times in the country but I’m not convinced that even with today’s austerity measures that this country will swing dramatically to the left. In my view the rhetoric has persuaded some to come on board and back the new leader but the proof is in the pudding. How he performs at the despatch box and the policies of the new branch of the party will be the deciding factor. He does preside over a factionalised Labour Party but then Cameron’s in the same position with the Conservatives.

Margaret Beckett was one of the MP’s who nominated him and she regretted doing so because she wanted Andy Burnham to win, it appears the Labour Parliamentary Party wanted a left wing candidate in to make the race worthwhile and now it’s backfired on them.

What does tickle me though is the fact that Blair is being vilified by so many Labour supporters, yet he is the only leader in Labour’s history to led them to 3 electoral victories and had the ‘War on terror’ and the ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’ not went pear shaped, I doubt he would be hated so much. I have memories of Thatcher sinking the Belgrano but then we won the war with Argentina over the Falklands….

I do think he’s a thoroughly decent chap by what I’ve seen and heard of him and probably well-meaning but then are they not all ‘well meaning?’ However, I have not and never will vote Labour but I wish him well.


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post 14th Sep 2015, 08:42pm
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 14th Sep 2015, 07:58pm) *
Yes he obtained more votes than Blair, but Blair had more 'Blairites' MP's , than Corbyn has 'Corbynites' MP's.

Having more 'X-ite' MPs in cabinet may not be a good thing, a feature that was exemplified by Thatcher, who surrounded herself by Yes men ("Is he 'one of us'?" became a slogan for her), for when things got tough on the horizon for her, there was nobody to tell her the truth, only what she wanted to hear, and as she wouldn't fall on her sword, the party lined up to stab her. Blair had plenty of Blairites, and only a few, like the late Robin Cook, publicly opposed him as he took the country to war. Just like Thatcher did before him.

A measure of how Corbyn is feared is in the vitriolic lies already appearing in the tory press about him. I shall watch with interest. I have the impression he is going to be more policy-focussed than personality-focussed, and can that be a bad thing in these cynical days?


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post 14th Sep 2015, 09:20pm
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A very good article in the National today from Kevin McKenna, in which he also lambasts the mainstream (privileged elite) media for casually trying to frame Corbyn's moderate and sensible ideas as "hard". In the wider sense, it looks like Corbyn's ideas are likely to shift the 'Overton Window' towards the Left for the first time in decades; although, obviously, the elite press will do everything in their considerable power to stop this from happening.

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favoured tactic of the right in this country has always been to label any left-wing views that cause them discomfort as "extremist". The prefix "hard" is applied to ideas of the left which they fear could cause any ripples in their world of pre-arranged privilege and social management. Their entire political strategy rests on ensuring that the rest of us look the other way as they ensure that real power will always be deployed from within their tiny, privileged elite.

Once, they were bred like battery hens and taken early from their families to spend what was left of their childhoods at places such as Eton and Harrow, learning how to wield power. Sentimental attachments to mummy and daddy could never be allowed to come before serving the state and their appointed place in it: at the top. They were scattered to the far ends of the British Empire to administer British control and to ensure that the fuzzy-wuzzies didn’t get too truculent about being ruthlessly robbed and exploited by the British East India Company.

When the sun began to set on that empire they retreated to their fortresses at home to ensure that they could hold on to control of the UK at least. They deploy The British Armed Forces like their own personal private army by deluding them into thinking they are serving the Queen and their country. And they rely on the right-wing press to be their nightwatchmen, ever-ready to defame and besmirch any who might rise up from the masses and attempt to tell the truth.

Occasionally, useful idiots like Tony Blair arrive to peddle some state-sponsored radicalism and soften up us, the idiot punters, for another stretch of reactionary Conservatism.

So, it was pleasing to observe the shock of the Right at the election of Jeremy Corbyn on Saturday as leader of the UK Labour Party. How to explain the fact that more than 250,000 people, across every category of Labour supporter, voted for Corbyn – more than the other three candidates combined? They can’t all be raving Marxists and revolutionary Communists?

The narrative of unpleasantness and vindictiveness has already been cranked up. Blairites like Peter Mandelson, who grew almost as rich as his master on the takings of the New Labour delusion, and David Blunkett are already talking about the death of the party. Tony Blair, pausing for a moment from his lucrative occupation of conning gullible eastern potentates into believing that they, too, can be global statesmen, said that Corbyn supporters had mental health issues. ...

Full story here:
http://www.thenational.scot/comment/kevin-...-opponents.7530

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post 15th Sep 2015, 07:18am
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Funny how Scotland is a priority for Mr Corbyn? laugh.gif

Poor Mr Corbyn would never be elected in England so the Tories will be our government for the foreseeable future unless we have an independent Scotland and choose our own government like grown up people.

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post 15th Sep 2015, 09:42am
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QUOTE (GG @ 14th Sep 2015, 09:28pm) *
A very good article in the National today from Kevin McKenna, in which he also lambasts the mainstream (privileged elite) media for casually trying to frame Corbyn's moderate and sensible ideas as "hard". In the wider sense, it looks like Corbyn's ideas are likely to shift the 'Overton Window' towards the Left for the first time in decades; although, obviously, the elite press will do everything in their considerable power to stop this from happening.

Full story here:
http://www.thenational.scot/comment/kevin-...-opponents.7530

GG.

The 50s socialist rhetoric and bombastic statements of intent will no doubt please the " rent a riot socialists" eagerly awaiting the opportunity to reap mayhem on the streets. No doubt UKIP will be rejoicing in the swelling of the ranks when Mr Trotsky reveals his accept all migration policies. Nationalisation of the railways, abolish the armed forces?

Reduce defence to the levels of Neville Chamberlin? This ranting socialism died a death in Britain in the swinging 60s, if it ever had a life. If it was going to happen it would have happened in the 20s. It did not the and it will not now.

This will see the end of the Labour party as it stumbles towards a future of rhetoric and irrelevance.
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