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> Donald Trump, Local Hero he is not
ashfield
post 25th Apr 2012, 08:02pm
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Can anyone tell me from what planet this guy hails from confused2.gif

Having watched his performance at the Scottish Parliament today I am convinced he is Trump by name, bag of wind by nature yes.gif


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post 25th Apr 2012, 08:35pm
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I didnt watch Trump in Parliament today but saw his noisy exit with pro and anti wind turbinists(for want of a better word).The wind farms are an emotive subject but as I dont know much about them I wont comment except to say I do think they are a blot on the landscape.
Re Trump,appearance aside ,he is a wealthy ,wealthy guy who has identified an opportunity for investment in the north east.He has put his money down and plenty of it to create a golf complex and new housing.He will create jobs,futures and wealth.His plans have caused controversy but are as far as Im aware are going ahead.A number of people will be rehoused and probably a few birds nests destroyed and that is extremely unfortunate but I suggest it is a small price to pay for the benefits being brought to the country.I initially took the view that Trumps comments were out of order but now knowing he was told(according to him) by the government that no wind farms would be built in the vicinity of his development and finding this is about to happen Im sure he is entitled to air his opinion on the matter.
I just wonder what other would be investors/entrepreneurs would make of this.
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post 26th Apr 2012, 09:26am
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Jupiter, I have no doubt this guy has influence........and possibly money. As far as the golf course goes, I have no idea how much employment it will bring to the area but, if it is anything like the last course built (Loch Lomond) it won't be much. It won't be a course for the ordinary Joe either.

I have mixed views on wind turbines, the site at Whitelee is fine as far as I'm concerned but there are other places where I'm sure they would spoil the landscape (or seascape). There are also the arguments about how efficient they are, to be honest I don't know.

My complaint about Trump is his believe he can dictate to our country and, by definition, our people, on issues of national policy. He has held up work on his golf course, supposedly as a threat to the Scottish Government, I would be happy to wager that the real reason is more to do with funding issues.


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post 26th Apr 2012, 02:35pm
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Ashfield all I can see that Trump is doing is asking some hard questions about the development.
I wouldnt call it dictating policy.
As for your doubts on his funding capability have a wee look at www.trump.com and tell me your jaw didnt drop.
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post 26th Apr 2012, 02:58pm
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As much as Trump is a pain in the butt, he made a lot of sense.

I have no doubt he spoke with Jack McConnell and Alex Salmond regarding his concerns a a possible wind farm being built.

I have no doubt they both gave him assurances.

With the potential for such a carbunkle to blot the landscape, it makes sense that he would have queried it.

The golf development has already cost 10s of millions. The Clubhouse will cost a fair amount also. If the course is being rated as "The best in the World" then you can be assured it will bring big money to the area. Especially if it get on the list for future venues for The Open. Tell me that Turnberry or Troon doesn't bring massive income to Ayrshire.

His investment is a large some for Scotland but as he says - not for him and his business interests.

He also quoted facts regarding the efficiency of wind energy. About Scotland getting them supplied from China! A country which is massively polluting the environment.

He also stated the fact that he could have chosen Ireland instead of Scotland. I believe him. We lose out of people looking for film locations in Scotland because the countryside is spoiled by Pylons as it is. The new one is windfarms. This is worse as they are much taller and in larger clusters.


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post 26th Apr 2012, 03:25pm
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QUOTE (Jim D @ 26th Apr 2012, 03:03pm) *
I have no doubt he spoke with Jack McConnell and Alex Salmond regarding his concerns a a possible wind farm being built.

I have no doubt they both gave him assurances.


He also stated the fact that he could have chosen Ireland instead of Scotland. I believe him. We lose out of people looking for film locations in Scotland because the countryside is spoiled by Pylons

How do you know he spoke to Jack Mc Connell and Alex Salmond?

How do you know they both gave him assurances?

And the only reason Scotland loses out to Ireland when it comes to attracting filming and other industries is that, unlike Scotland, Ireland has control of it's own taxation and can offer far better rates of corporate tax for overseas investors.
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post 26th Apr 2012, 03:53pm
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QUOTE (Jupiter @ 26th Apr 2012, 03:40pm) *
Ashfield all I can see that Trump is doing is asking some hard questions about the development.
I wouldnt call it dictating policy.

So you wouldn't call threatening to hit the Scottish Government with lawsuits trying to dictate policy?


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post 26th Apr 2012, 03:56pm
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JAGZ1876,the fact that Trump spoke to Messrs Salmond and McConnell is on the record(although I will stand corrected) therefore when it comes to the rest of his assertions we have one thing to look at..his credibility as a businessman and entrepreneur and Im in no doubt he was given certain assurances.Why else would he and his entourage come halfway round the world to raise the issue.
Clearly he has no say in what goes on offshore from Mennie but if two First Ministers gave him assurances which are then reneged on I do think he has a beef and he is not the kind of guy to invest millions to get messed about in this manner.
For some reason there seems to be some sort of agenda against Trump and I dont know why.The guy is making a massive investment in Scotland and we could do with more of it.
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post 26th Apr 2012, 04:57pm
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He seems to be a total stranger to the hairdressers. huh.gif
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post 26th Apr 2012, 05:03pm
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So was Yul Bryner and he was a star. rolleyes.gif
Comb over, comb under, comb round about.
Whose got the hair spray?
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post 26th Apr 2012, 05:06pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 26th Apr 2012, 04:30pm) *
How do you know he spoke to Jack Mc Connell and Alex Salmond?

How do you know they both gave him assurances?

And the only reason Scotland loses out to Ireland when it comes to attracting filming and other industries is that, unlike Scotland, Ireland has control of it's own taxation and can offer far better rates of corporate tax for overseas investors.

McConnell and Salmond have both admitted they had talks with Trump! Until recently, Salmond and him appeared to be bosom buddies! Trump has the reputation of being a very creditable business man around the world. He would have done thorough homework prior to making the investment. He would have known of any talk of a windfarm. He has stated that the subject of a potential windfarm had been spoken about. He's says both 1st Ministers dismissed it. Why then should he invest mega bucks then kick up a storm????

Are our politicians trying to keep their heads down in the event that they get embroiled in another "Murdoch" type enquiry? Just a thought.

Mr Salmond was also bosom buddies with Murdoch not that long ago. There is no doubt that his party benefitted from the attention the Scottish Sun, who avidly supported his election campaign.

As for Trump saying that he could have invested in Ireland if he thought windfarms would be a problem? Yes, they have a great amount of unspoiled land and coastline. If we go back to the film Braveheart, they had to film in Ireland. The landscape is similar to Scotland but Scotland is spoiled by Pylons (and windfarms now). The Scottish Government even sanctioned more pylons over the central belt of Scotland, in sight of Stirling Castle and the Wallace monument while others were advocating that the cables should be buried.

It wasn't that decades ago when the oil industry were forced to bury oil pipes from the North Sea down to Grangemouth and beyond.


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post 27th Apr 2012, 08:04am
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Salmond: Trump knew about wind farm

First Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond says Donald Trump knew about a potential wind farm when he agreed to build a golf course in Scotland.

Speaking at a parliamentary meeting on renewable energy sources Wednesday, Trump spoke out in opposition to the wind farm, saying he was "lured to the country" and led to believe there would be "absolutely no wind farm," The (Glasgow) Herald reported.

Trump is opposed to the wind farm, saying it would ruin tourism.

Salmond, who met with Trump during the development of the golf course, denied he had failed to tell the real estate mogul about a possible wind farm.

"Absolutely no assurances have been given at any time by the first minister or anyone in this administration to Mr. Trump or his organization, and any claims to the contrary are wrong," a spokesman for Salmond said.

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post 27th Apr 2012, 10:58am
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I think when alls said and done we should applaud Donald Trump and his Organisation for putting their faith and finance into Scotland.This venture is long term and will be providing jobs,opportunity and wealth for a good number of people in the north east and will also be pumping money into the local economy.
Is that not what the country need at the moment?
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post 27th Apr 2012, 02:41pm
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QUOTE (Melody @ 26th Apr 2012, 06:02pm) *
He seems to be a total stranger to the hairdressers. huh.gif


On the contrary, I think he spend a great deal of money employing a hairdresser to sort that hair every couple of hours. clown.gif


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post 27th Apr 2012, 03:03pm
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laugh.gif I think it's the wind that causes it. Boris has the same problem. laugh.gif
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