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> Scottish Independence, About voting yes/no
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taurus
post 17th Oct 2019, 08:11pm
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we took citizenship only because when we went back to the UK we had to go to a lot of bother to prove we had every right to re-enter Australia,at one stage we were stranded in Scotland and our kids at home in Australia,so it wasn`t a hard decision to make,and we have dual citizenship,which is painless. What is the relevance of this anyway Carmella,...just askin`
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post 18th Oct 2019, 07:27am
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I did Carmella, South Africa has been extremely good to me and I always believed that if you want to praise or complain about a government you have to be a citizen and pay you taxes. It is also the reason that I do not get involved often with the Brexit/ Independence discussions.

Well Zascot, I’m pleased to hear it. My cousin did the same thing. I think you do as you have done to put something back to the country where you have spent most of your life, and where you have added to that country’s economy. You pay taxes there, and you vote there.

For all the other reasons you gave. I take my hat off to you.

SA is a beautiful country btw!


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post 18th Oct 2019, 07:29am
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QUOTE (taurus @ 17th Oct 2019, 09:11pm) *
we took citizenship only because when we went back to the UK we had to go to a lot of bother to prove we had every right to re-enter Australia,at one stage we were stranded in Scotland and our kids at home in Australia,so it wasn`t a hard decision to make,and we have dual citizenship,which is painless. What is the relevance of this anyway Carmella,...just askin`

Taurus no-one can fault your loyalties to your family. You also have a say in what happens in Australia!


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post 18th Oct 2019, 07:43am
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Do you still think Scotland will be better served by Boris and Co than people who actually live here and care about Scotland Carmella? unsure.gif

I don’t want the UK split up Jagz, it is as simple as that, and I want us to be in control of our own laws. Simply put!

I already have stated that I dislike Referendums. One of the reasons is population. It stands to reason that as the population in England in 2017 was almost 56 million, Northern Ireland just over 1.8 million, Wales 3.2 million, Scotland 5.4 million, any Referendum was bound to be carried by England’s vote, regardless of what for because the population is greater.

The only genuine Referendum, therefor, in my humble opinion is the one of a single country, i.e. in this case Scotland. Scotland’s population alone taking part regardless of which party they support. We did this and voted to remain within the UK.

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post 18th Oct 2019, 09:50am
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Well explained Carmella. If I was still there I think I would be of a similar mind to you.


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post 18th Oct 2019, 01:34pm
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Well explained Carmella. If I was still there I think I would be of a similar mind to you.

Thank you, love your profile pic. I am a big animal lover, but that’s a discussion for another day!


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post 18th Oct 2019, 01:44pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Oct 2019, 02:34pm) *
Thank you, love your profile pic. I am a big animal lover, but that’s a discussion for another day!


Off topic but this ones for you Carmella. Taken on a recent trip. Excuse the quality but I had to reduce to get it on here. You can see my motto below.


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post 18th Oct 2019, 05:02pm
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But off topic it may be, but it passes as pleasant. What a beautiful beast this is.

More need protected!


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post 18th Oct 2019, 06:32pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Oct 2019, 08:43am) *
I don’t want the UK split up Jagz, it is as simple as that, and I want us to be in control of our own laws. Simply put!

I already have stated that I dislike Referendums. One of the reasons is population. It stands to reason that as the population in England in 2017 was almost 56 million, Northern Ireland just over 1.8 million, Wales 3.2 million, Scotland 5.4 million, any Referendum was bound to be carried by England’s vote, regardless of what for because the population is greater.

The only genuine Referendum, therefor, in my humble opinion is the one of a single country, i.e. in this case Scotland. Scotland’s population alone taking part regardless of which party they support. We did this and voted to remain within the UK.

Nuff said


So you don't think nor care whether Scotlands best interests will be served as long as we remain as part of a Greater England, and with England and Wales getting to leave the EU and NI being allowed to remain in the EU under Johnsons deal you don't mind that Scotland is the only country that won't get what it voted for?
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post 19th Oct 2019, 07:19am
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So you don't think nor care whether Scotlands best interests will be served as long as we remain as part of a Greater England, and with England and Wales getting to leave the EU and NI being allowed to remain in the EU under Johnsons deal you don't mind that Scotland is the only country that won't get what it voted for?

Jagz, if we did not have open borders which allow both decent people to cross over and who have nothing to hide, but also allow criminals and murderers to cross freely at will, and if we could still control without question, our laws as well as what businesses sell both in food stuffs and others. I can tell you now I would have voted to remain, no question about it. What is wrong with any person who wants to come here to live and work, applying for a visa, filling out the necessary forms etc.

There are many countries in the world that you simply can’t drive or fly to, and set up residence no questions asked!


PErsonally I dislike the deal, and I think it will be interesting to see today if the deal goes through.


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post 19th Oct 2019, 10:24am
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QUOTE (zascot @ 18th Oct 2019, 01:44pm) *

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Off topic but this ones for you Carmella. Taken on a recent trip. Excuse the quality but I had to reduce to get it on here. You can see my motto below.

Clicking on the photo brings it up to larger than life size, especially on thee large screen monitor which I need.
Great picture and ... I love your motto. thumbup.gif


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post 19th Oct 2019, 11:41am
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I've never thought it really relevant if a Scot lives in his/her homeland or not, if commenting on their homeland's issues - unless they are doing so nastily, but even then they are still entitled to their opinion. We all have different aims and ambitions in life which might take us far from our shores and loved ones, that certainly doesn't mean that we can't have an opinion on how it's run.

I still live here and will till I peg it, that doesn't give me any more right to voice my concerns than any other Scot born here (that now lives in another country) to do the same.

I'm a great believer in compromise - which is a fairly simple concept for intelligent creatures - but sadly, I'm finding it very difficult to see any evidence of compromise in your posts on this thread. You've got the rag between your teeth and ripping it apart, there's no way back from that attitude.

In my humble opinion of course. :rolleyes:

Hi Weeman

I see where you are coming from regarding people who were born in Scotland, but now living abroad. I totally agree with you regarding, their right to express opinions about Scotland.

However when it comes to issues such as human trafficking, and drug misuse, I have to disagree with you on that one.

Prior to the political topics being created on this website, we all got on happily. Scots living abroad would post memories of their earlier days here.
Then along came The Scotland Independence and the EU referendums, and it all went pear shaped on the GG website.

During the 1960’s we had the so called Brain Drain from the UK to former British colonies. Then in much more recent years we had the additional exodus, on a much smaller scale, of UK citizens moving to the EU. Many to spend their retirement there.

So my response to you is, that the ones who show interest in what is going on in the UK, do so by using the news media and the internet. I am here.
Bilbo, TeeHee, Wombat are not.

It is me who has drug addicts living in accommodation behind me, and in apartment blocks on either side of my home.

It is me who has seen the disappearance of children’s playground areas. Once within a few hundred yards of my home. In was an unfenced, playground area surrounded by trees. The local Council closed it, removed the children’s swings and fenced it off. Drug addicts had been using the place at nights and littered the area with syringes and needles.

Fine the children have only lost a facility, so what’s the fuss. Well nothing unless you happen to live next to that area. The number of drug addicts using the area has increased.

By the way when the Scots immigrants have all passed away, the only interest their children will have in Scotland, if any, is to trace their family roots.

Unless you live in Scotland you can have no idea that drug addiction has spiralled out of control. School children are being recruited into the drugs trade.

The Scots living abroad can have no idea how the SNP policy of Centralising the Police Force has left much of Scotland with no direct contact with the police.

In our area local small retail businesses are closing down. The local hostel which originally was for single working men, was converted to house the homeless. It is now full of drug addicts. They break into the local businesses at night in the full knowledge that there is no police presence in the area.

I haven’t mentioned people trafficking on this post. Those living abroad will know all about that?

So in closing, I invite any Scot living abroad to tell us if their new place of abode is all streets free.

Danny
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post 19th Oct 2019, 01:37pm
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Hi Weeman

Prior to the political topics being created on this website, we all got on happily. Scots living abroad would post memories of their earlier days here.
Then along came The Scotland Independence and the EU referendums, and it all went pear shaped on the GG website.

I am here.
Bilbo, TeeHee, Wombat are not.

The Scots living abroad can have no idea how the SNP policy of Centralising the Police Force has left much of Scotland with no direct contact with the police.


Danny


How does having and independence or Brexit threads stop people posting on other GG threads?

I live here as does Weeman are you saying it's only you that understands what it's like to live here?

You can pick up the phone and dial 999 to be put through to the police regardless of where you live in the country, and every political party had the centralization of the police in their election manifestos.

You should start a drugs and human tackling thread and stop taking other threads off topic.
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post 19th Oct 2019, 03:59pm
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How does having and independence or Brexit threads stop people posting on other GG threads?

I live here as does Weeman are you saying it's only you that understands what it's like to live here?

You can pick up the phone and dial 999 to be put through to the police regardless of where you live in the country, and every political party had the centralization of the police in their election manifestos.

You should start a drugs and human tackling thread and stop taking other threads off topic.

Jagz, your final sentence above says it all about you and Nicola Sturgeon. Drugs and human trafficking are relative to this thread. Both of you want Open Borders. You are both so keen to stay in the EU that you don’t think these two topics are relevant.

Both of you are happy to see more EU citizens coming here. Her on the grounds that Scotland needs them. Scotland is no different from any other country. Yes we need skilled and professional people in areas like like the National Health.

We are in the early stages of the Digital Technology revolution, the successor of the Industrial revolution. If you open your eyes you will see thousands of manual jobs in various sectors have, given way to digital technology.

For example Amazon now uses robots to do work which used to be done by manual warehousemen.

Some Supermarkets have now replaced the bulk of their human cashiers with self service checkouts. Now Sainsburys have gone one step farther. They give you a digital device on entry to the store, and YOU scan each item before putting in to your trolley. No human contact from entry to leaving the shop.

There are so many Apps coming on stream that soon, anyone without a digital device will feel like a cave man.

These are all relative to Independence. The need for a human employees is diminishing rapidly. We won’t survive with Open Borders.

With Open Borders, history will repeat itself in Scotland. Just turn the clock back something in the order of 100 years. The Irish flooded into Scotland mainly due to famine. The Church of Scotland was opposed to the numbers of Irish coming here.

Anyone who says the Irish did not have a major impact in Scotland, especially in Glasgow and surrounding areas, can’t face up to reality.

Before you accuse me of being anti Irish. Just look at my first name.
My paternal grandparents were Irish. He was an Orangeman, and she was a Roman Catholic.

My maternal grandparents were Scots Presbyterian.

What has been lost in local history, is the contribution the Irish made to an Industrial Scotland, so I have no hang ups about the Irish

The point I am making is there was plenty of manual work for the Irish. There is hardly any manual workers shortage now. Scotland can’t absorb an uncontrolled population increase. The Digital age is just in its infancy.

Danny
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post 19th Oct 2019, 04:23pm
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1435 pages already, who would have thought it.

Very little input of his own from bilbo.s, only sarcasm and unattributed news articles!

All these protests around Parliament Square for weeks, makes me wonder if the masses in Scotland’s cities are bothered in the slightest!



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