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> Uk Independence Referendum - Brexit, Yes or No on EU membership
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JAGZ1876
post 13th Sep 2019, 04:58pm
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Jagz the GGBB always keep a supply on hand of a couple of things.

SPAM & POPCORN (salted only) if you go down the corridor towards the gallery and turn right, go straight ahead towards the SHOUTBOX in the wee room just past the calendar area you’ll find a supply👍🤓👍



Why do i get the feeling this is a trap and as soon as i'm in the room you'll lock me in?

Spam and popcorn you say? 😏

It's very tempting. laugh.gif
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post 13th Sep 2019, 05:06pm
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Spam and popcorn........wow....thank goodness we’ve got an expert on board rolleyes.gif

Just got to sort out the mince and tripe spouted by the PM and his cabinet yes.gif


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post 13th Sep 2019, 05:30pm
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QUOTE (ashfield @ 13th Sep 2019, 06:06pm) *
Just got to sort out the mince and tripe spouted by the PM and his cabinet yes.gif



No one could swallow let alone stomach the mince and tripe they cook up Ash. yes.gif
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post 14th Sep 2019, 07:18am
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Talking of the PM and food, what happened to the slim guy with the tidy haircut that stood for leader of the Tory party. I would hate to be either his barber (skint) or tailor (overworked) ohmy.gif


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post 14th Sep 2019, 04:59pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Sep 2019, 05:58pm) *
Why do i get the feeling this is a trap and as soon as i'm in the room you'll lock me in?

Spam and popcorn you say? 😏

It's very tempting. laugh.gif

Wait and see if ashfield follows you, then I’ll shut the door LoL it’s too funny🤪🤪🤪🤪


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post 14th Sep 2019, 07:29pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Sep 2019, 05:30pm) *
No one could swallow let alone stomach the mince and tripe they cook up Ash. yes.gif



laugh.gif baked beans should be a bonus then? laugh.gif


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post 14th Sep 2019, 08:02pm
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800

In a bid to distinguish itself from the rest of the rebel alliance at a general election, tomorrow at conference the Lib Dem leader is proposing to offer Remain voters an immediate and effective second chance to kill off Brexit, with new party policy to revoke Article 50 without holding another referendum on the issue.

It's bold, extreme even, and if confirmed tomorrow would set apart the Lib Dems as Brexit's strongest opponents. In my opinion a people's vote is the least worst alternative currently pursued by the opposition parties, because while pausing Brexit it wouldn't halt the pain of another harshly faught period of Leave versus Remain campaigning. Perhaps the people require a cooling-off period. A reset switch.

So tomorrow a vote for the Lib Dems could be about to become a direct means of stopping Brexit, if not for good then at least for some time. (This is one genie that may never see the inside of a bottle ever again sad.gif ).

Thoughts welcome.
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post 14th Sep 2019, 10:48pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 14th Sep 2019, 09:02pm) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800

In a bid to distinguish itself from the rest of the rebel alliance at a general election, tomorrow at conference the Lib Dem leader is proposing to offer Remain voters an immediate and effective second chance to kill off Brexit, with new party policy to revoke Article 50 without holding another referendum on the issue.

It's bold, extreme even, and if confirmed tomorrow would set apart the Lib Dems as Brexit's strongest opponents. In my opinion a people's vote is the least worst alternative currently pursued by the opposition parties, because while pausing Brexit it wouldn't halt the pain of another harshly faught period of Leave versus Remain campaigning. Perhaps the people require a cooling-off period. A reset switch.

So tomorrow a vote for the Lib Dems could be about to become a direct means of stopping Brexit, if not for good then at least for some time. (This is one genie that may never see the inside of a bottle ever again sad.gif ).

Thoughts welcome.


And when the Tories win with a minority you do know Jo and the FibDems will once more jump into bed with them Kem. yes.gif
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post 15th Sep 2019, 07:24am
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 14th Sep 2019, 09:02pm) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800

In a bid to distinguish itself from the rest of the rebel alliance at a general election, tomorrow at conference the Lib Dem leader is proposing to offer Remain voters an immediate and effective second chance to kill off Brexit, with new party policy to revoke Article 50 without holding another referendum on the issue.

It's bold, extreme even, and if confirmed tomorrow would set apart the Lib Dems as Brexit's strongest opponents. In my opinion a people's vote is the least worst alternative currently pursued by the opposition parties, because while pausing Brexit it wouldn't halt the pain of another harshly faught period of Leave versus Remain campaigning. Perhaps the people require a cooling-off period. A reset switch.

So tomorrow a vote for the Lib Dems could be about to become a direct means of stopping Brexit, if not for good then at least for some time. (This is one genie that may never see the inside of a bottle ever again sad.gif ).

Thoughts welcome.


It took me a bit of time to get my head round this as I'm still reeling from David Cameron suggesting Johnston and Gove (lied) left the truth at home during the referendum...........who knew rolleyes.gif

As for Swinson, has she used and now dumped the "rebel alliance"? She probably thinks her party have got as much out of it, politically, as they could so she needed a new plan.She could be treading in dangerous ground, "ignoring the will of the people".


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post 15th Sep 2019, 12:33pm
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QUOTE (ashfield @ 15th Sep 2019, 08:24am) *
As for Swinson, has she used and now dumped the "rebel alliance"? She probably thinks her party have got as much out of it, politically, as they could so she needed a new plan.She could be treading in dangerous ground, "ignoring the will of the people".

Those are clear and obvious criticisms to make of this policy, Ash, which was confirmed at conference this morning. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

Unlike Jagz, you have at least one foot onboard the Brexit resistance movement which forged the rebel aliance.

From what I've read and listened to, this policy would only be implemented by the Lib Dems in the event of a general election, and that it is still the unanimous preference of the rebel alliance to hold a people's vote.

By making this election offering, the Lib Dems are effectively proposing to transform the anticipated general election into a defacto referendum, at least for those voters who view Brexit, and the campaign to stop it, as the defining issue of our time. And who could argue otherwise?
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post 15th Sep 2019, 01:26pm
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You'll forgive me for not joining in your celebration of the LibDems riding to the rescue Kem.

I see your branch office manager is demanding no more Indy refs in his lifetime.

Nothing very liberal or democratic about him. yes.gif
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post 15th Sep 2019, 05:45pm
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I was thinking about all of this after listening to LBC this morning. Does anyone regardless of personal politics think there will be another EU referendum?

I don’t but I’ve been wrong before😜😜😜😜😜


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post 15th Sep 2019, 09:17pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 15th Sep 2019, 06:45pm) *
I was thinking about all of this after listening to LBC this morning. Does anyone regardless of personal politics think there will be another EU referendum?

I don’t but I’ve been wrong before����������

It is apparently current Labour policy. But in a Brexit election Labour is going to lose out big time, as Scottish Labour did after Indyref.

Votes loaned to the SNP back in May's European election have more riding on them in a general election, and it remains to be seen how many Scottish nationalists are in favour of leaving the EU. As to what the SNP position is on a people's vote... well we know which way the party's leader is minded, but that'll mean little unless traditional voters follow her lead. I've yet to see anyone on here (apart from myself) endorsing Sturgeon's campaign. huh.gif

The Tories are becoming the Brexit party.

The Lib Dems the anti-Brexit party.

To answer your question, Carmella, it's looking less likely than before, and I'd say no, there won't be one. And maybe that's for the best.
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post 16th Sep 2019, 10:36am
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 15th Sep 2019, 10:17pm) *
Votes loaned to the SNP back in May's European election have more riding on them in a general election

The Lib Dems the anti-Brexit party.


What votes were loaned to the SNP?

Do you honestly believe the LibDems promises (fool me once etc etc) and more importantly do you honestly think they can win a Westminster GE?
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post 16th Sep 2019, 11:19am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 16th Sep 2019, 11:36am) *
What votes were loaned to the SNP?
QUOTE (Alyn Smith SNP MEP @ 27th May 2019)
People are voting SNP for a variety of reasons - there are those who are lending us their vote and others who are diehard SNP voters, we've got people coming to us from all over the spectrum.


QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 16th Sep 2019, 11:36am) *
Do you honestly think they can win a Westminster GE?

Will there be an outright winner? I doubt it.
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