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Posted by: GG 25th Sep 2011, 09:10pm

Billy Connolly, the man who famously encouraged people not to vote for politicians "because it only encouraged them", has been touted as a future leader of the unionist campaign to keep Scotland in the United Kingdom. Such a move would mean that the former Govan shipyard worker would front a campaign supporting one of the main Scottish policy objectives of the Tory Party.

The proposal was put forward earlier this month by Tom Harris, Labour MP for Glasgow South. On launching his bid, Mr Harris said that the world-famous comedian was a "100 per cent Scottish hero" and the ideal man to assume leadership of the unionist battle to thwart Alex Salmond's drive for independence.

Although the Glasgow comedian is on the record as speaking out against nationalism, it remains unclear whether he would seriously consider such a high-profile move into politics. Observers are doubtful that the Big Yin would look favourably on Mr Harris's proposal, especially since the comedian is oft-quoted as having said that "the desire to be a politician, should ban you for life for ever being one".

Mr Harris, the former UK transport minister added:

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"He would be perfect for all sorts of reasons. There is going to be this referendum but those of us who want to be part of the UK have no organisation and no figurehead. Billy might say no but we need to ask him."

Mr Connolly has yet to comment on the proposal.


GG.

Posted by: tarheels 25th Sep 2011, 10:37pm

sorry GG i know nothing about the politics of Scotland or England , maybe i should study more ??
tarheels sad.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 25th Sep 2011, 10:47pm

I too know nothing about politics in Scotland and only being an agnostic forbids me from saying, Thank God for that. rolleyes.gif
But I do know a bit about the Big Yin and although I voted No I'd actually like to see him meeting this Labour MP Tom Harris ... just for a laugh. laugh.gif
Come on, Billy. Show's yer stuff. laugh.gif

Posted by: Jupiter 25th Sep 2011, 11:33pm

Well I suppose the approach to your 70th birthday is as good a time as any to embark on a new career but somehow I wouldnt put money on Connolly branching out.

Posted by: Guest 26th Sep 2011, 12:04am

Yeah why not. The whole system is a joke anyway.

Posted by: Jupiter 26th Sep 2011, 12:40am

"Yeah why not"
MPs earn approx 68k pa. Connolly probably makes that by riding up and down Route 66 or out talking to the eskimoes,not to mention his sell out shows.

Posted by: Rabbie 26th Sep 2011, 12:45am

QUOTE (Guest @ 26th Sep 2011, 12:50am) *
Yeah why not. The whole system is a joke anyway.

You tell em Billy. It's a sick joke and no very funny.

A naw from me, just cannea see Billly in a suit an tie telling porky pies and claiming false allowances.

Posted by: Alex Gray 26th Sep 2011, 01:00am

Sorry, but this does have to be a joke surely. A dysfunctional and obsolete Labour Party asking for hauners from a septogenerium comedium.

How low are these Labour chancers willing to stoop?

Posted by: buntygal 26th Sep 2011, 01:19am

No not really, much as I love Billy Connolly,I'm not sure he is the voice of Scotland, apart from that great Glasgow accent, I'm not sure that since he doesn't actually now reside in Scotland full time he would fully support this action. Has he even been asked the question....There are lots of very proud Scots all over this world who are Scots to their core but do not want complete independence to the rest of the UK.

Posted by: Garth Fletcher 26th Sep 2011, 02:09am

I do live in Canada but am a Springburnian--born and grew up there -slightly ahead of Billy. Billy is a great comedian who sees politicians for what they are: a great resourse for humour. Why F it up by taking sides?

Let the people decide.

Fletcher

Posted by: nome 26th Sep 2011, 02:12am

Billy running for a tory campaign, a shounda think so, the 'BIG YIN hated maggie thatcher with a passion and everythin' else that wiz blue.

A dont think he is in any sence racist or a biggot, but I think he would be mair fur a free Scotland than a joined to some tits Scotland.

It would be interesting as well as nice to see what he would do and sasy.

Posted by: Noonan McKane 26th Sep 2011, 02:37am

QUOTE (Garth Fletcher @ 26th Sep 2011, 02:55am) *
I do live in Canada but am a Springburnian--born and grew up there -slightly ahead of Billy. Billy is a great comedian who sees politicians for what they are: a great resourse for humour. Why F it up by taking sides?

Let the people decide.

Fletcher

Remember when that lad Ken Bigley, the engineer from Liverpool, was kidnapped and ended up having his head cut off by those hooded lads?

Billy was doing a show during that. He said he was fed up of waiting and wished they'd just get on with it (ie cut the lad's head off and be done with it) and a fella stood up and shouted "That's a man's life you're joking about." Billy told the fella to fu(k off.

Billy's famous and funny and wealthy and all, but possibly a bit light on the diplomacy?

Hey, you're right! That's the perfect politician!

Only jokin', of course. It's always nice to hear citizens of Canada express an opinion on the future of the United Kingdom, too. (I know you used to live here, but you don't now. Like Billy Connolly.)

Posted by: *dyer169* 26th Sep 2011, 02:55am

He has every right to to run for a political office, thats if he still has UK status. He would fit right in with all the other comidians & would he travel from the USA to take his seat if elected.

The mind BOGGLES.

Posted by: john1948 26th Sep 2011, 08:25am

I think Billy would be a good politician, because most of them are comedians anyway.

Posted by: Negotiate Now 26th Sep 2011, 09:24am

No, the man is an entertainer, no more than that. I am always wary of celebrities being drawn into politics. He no longer lives in Scotland anyway.

Irene.

Posted by: tamhickey 26th Sep 2011, 10:29am

This smacks of desperation. Tom Harris has just made an utter fool of himself with this suggestion, and landed Billy in jobbieland!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 26th Sep 2011, 10:52am

QUOTE (Negotiate Now @ 26th Sep 2011, 10:10am) *
No, the man is an entertainer, no more than that. I am always wary of celebrities being drawn into politics.

Irene.

Yeah, Look at Ronald Reagan. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 26th Sep 2011, 11:22am

Billy speaking in 1998, prior to the opening of the Scottish Parliament:

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"I think they should delay the Scottish Parliament by 10 years and let us all just live in the mood. The feeling of euphoria happens in every country about to go through such a change.

Yeah, it's going to be great. Yeah, we're going to be in charge. Tra- la-la. Then they go and spoil it all by doing it.

I wasn't in favour of it anyway. I was a 'no'. I wouldn't be terribly against independence, but I see that place in Edinburgh as a wee Stormont.

And I don't like devolved government."

Looks like he might lack commitment to the cause! huh.gif

GG.

Posted by: Mathieson 26th Sep 2011, 11:23am

In his heyday, which was quite some time ago now, Billy Connolly was the funniest guy I had ever seen and heard.
I think we should leave it at that.
For any side to seek to use him in their campaign reeks of desperation on their behalf and a confirmation that society is indeed dumbing down when we need a past-his-sell-by-date comedian to help us decide how to vote.

Posted by: benny 26th Sep 2011, 12:57pm

QUOTE (buntygal @ 26th Sep 2011, 03:05am) *
No not really, much as I love Billy Connolly,I'm not sure he is the voice of Scotland, apart from that great Glasgow accent . . .

Glesga accent? Whitver kinda accent it is, it certainly didnae originate in Glesga, and bears nae relation tae any genuine Scottish accent ah've ever come across. Brigadoon, mebbe? Or mebbe Billy served on the Starship "Enterprise" under Scotty?

Posted by: *misterglasgow* 26th Sep 2011, 01:14pm

As a nationalist ..... I think the GG has put the question around the wrong way .I.E . Billy Connolly is a vote loser ... Not many people like him ....what about his statement about the poor guy ' Bigley ' ......urging the terrorists to chop off his head ..... Billy is a liability ..... Soar Alba

Posted by: droschke7 26th Sep 2011, 01:30pm

the last thing Scotland needs is independance, come to that the last thing the UK needs is for all the member countries to have independance because we'll al loose out

Posted by: bilbo.s 26th Sep 2011, 01:36pm

QUOTE (benny @ 26th Sep 2011, 02:43pm) *
Glesga accent? Whitver kinda accent it is, it certainly didnae originate in Glesga, and bears nae relation tae any genuine Scottish accent ah've ever come across. Brigadoon, mebbe? Or mebbe Billy served on the Starship "Enterprise" under Scotty?

Brigadoon, eh ? Well have to ask Ashfield about that, but I think hes still in Blackpool . unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 26th Sep 2011, 01:37pm

If the unionists can't get the Big Yin on board i hear that Jimmy Krankie's available.

Posted by: lord anthony 26th Sep 2011, 02:42pm

Only if you want a Scottish Banana-republic

Posted by: wee davy 26th Sep 2011, 04:18pm

Now THERES a ticket to die for, if ever there was one!

Billy Connolly's maiden speech in the House of Commons.

How's about Mr Speaker, eventually? or perhaps a Ministerial position - SMMP - Special Minister for Mince Pies?

Go on Billy,... you and Pammy will get free fish suppers for life! biggrin.gif

Posted by: angel 26th Sep 2011, 04:31pm

QUOTE
Go on Billy,... you and Pammy will get free fish suppers for life!

biggrin.gif Hi davy , it could be beans on toast . unsure.gif

Posted by: *Margitsback* 26th Sep 2011, 06:39pm

In my opinion if you dont reside in Scotland full time you have no right to be a politician in this country, in fact you should also be born and bred in Scotland before you are allowed a vote on independence.

Posted by: Heather 26th Sep 2011, 07:40pm

Billy Connolly was born and raised in Scotland. He worked in the Clyde Shipyards as a Welder.

I would certanily not vote for him as an MSP/MP.

Could you imagine him giving a speech, it would be littered with swear words, which is one of the reasons I stopped watching him on TV.

I don't think he would want to be an MSP/MP.

Posted by: thepaperboy 26th Sep 2011, 08:26pm

he would do just tickity boo, he would fit in very well with the rest of the lying two face gits,his pommy missis would tell him what to say she is good at that just read his books,his poor upbringing.my god billy yur no poor when your wearing a suit and tie

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 26th Sep 2011, 09:16pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 26th Sep 2011, 05:04pm) *
How's about Mr Speaker, eventually? biggrin.gif

laugh.gif Can well imagine Mr Speaker.
" Right you lot! Sit oan yer erses an' STF up." laugh.gif

Posted by: Hank Greenwood 27th Sep 2011, 01:33am

It has to be a slow news day!

Posted by: Victoria 27th Sep 2011, 01:40am

Why not? I am sure that Billy could do as good a job as the present lot who just seem to be in it for the money nowadays and are happy to take our votes and disappear for four more years to London. Go get em Billy!!!

Posted by: kenb 27th Sep 2011, 08:52am

QUOTE (Negotiate Now @ 26th Sep 2011, 10:10am) *
No, the man is an entertainer, no more than that. I am always wary of celebrities being drawn into politics. He no longer lives in Scotland anyway.

Irene.

he is a comedian he does not live in scotland he is very rich he has in my opinion lost touch with his roots sounds like scotlands got a new up and coming politician who who moves in the right circles and has a devilish talent for bu--sh---g his way thro tight spots "the big yin for president"oh thats america ahh well leave him there.
cheers rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Rabbie 27th Sep 2011, 09:11am

I wonder what the hairy wan has to say about this!?

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 27th Sep 2011, 09:57am

He's just writing out his reply to you as we speak, Rabbie. laugh.gif

http://www.billyconnolly.com/

Vote for me.
Whit y' get
is whit y' see


Posted by: tombro 27th Sep 2011, 10:02am

OMG NO !

We already have enough comedians in politics throughout the world.

Tombro laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 27th Sep 2011, 10:42am

YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS ME



laugh.gif Aye, right. laugh.gif


Posted by: Scotsman 27th Sep 2011, 12:34pm

I think that Billy is a very good comedian and a decent entertainer but whether that would qualify him for a leap into the politics game I do not know. Also I am not sure what age the big chap is but I would have thought that it was not something he would want to do at his age.... surely he wants to sit back and enjoy the benefits of the kind of life his talents have helped him acquire. Stay well away from this one Billy as I think there could be a big banana skin waiting in the wings for someone without experience.

Posted by: glasgow lass 27th Sep 2011, 04:17pm

When Ronald Reagan became the president of America a remember saying tae ma mother is that no the cowboy fae the movies, aye Lass (and rumor has it that we are related to him rolleyes.gif ) can just hear people saying is that no the comedian Billy Connally, a think Billy will be much better off staying where he is and enjoying his great life, dont really think he would want to be bogged down wae politics.But maybe he would!

Posted by: angel 27th Sep 2011, 04:34pm

I don't really know, but if he has half a brain he should stay away from Scottish politcs, However, I do think that he would make a great ambassador, he certainly could do that job.

Posted by: CAMPSIE 27th Sep 2011, 04:37pm

QUOTE (GG @ 25th Sep 2011, 09:56pm) *
Billy Connolly, the man who famously encouraged people not to vote for politicians "because it only encouraged them", has been touted as a future leader of the unionist campaign to keep Scotland in the United Kingdom. Such a move would mean that the former Govan shipyard worker would front a campaign supporting one of the main Scottish policy objectives of the Tory Party.

The proposal was put forward earlier this month by Tom Harris, Labour MP for Glasgow South. On launching his bid, Mr Harris said that the world-famous comedian was a "100 per cent Scottish hero" and the ideal man to assume leadership of the unionist battle to thwart Alex Salmond's drive for independence.

Although the Glasgow comedian is on the record as speaking out against nationalism, it remains unclear whether he would seriously consider such a high-profile move into politics. Observers are doubtful that the Big Yin would look favourably on Mr Harris's proposal, especially since the comedian is oft-quoted as having said that "the desire to be a politician, should ban you for life for ever being one".

Mr Harris, the former UK transport minister added:

Mr Connolly has yet to comment on the proposal.

GG.

Posted by: CAMPSIE 27th Sep 2011, 04:47pm

I find it inconceivable that Billy Connolly should head any political organisation as he has no experience in such, and further more he has not lived in Scotland for decades so is not in touch with the needs of the Scottish people, just like Sean Connery who often spouts what should be done in Scotland. You earn the right to represent or to be critical if you live in Scotland and not before.

Posted by: angel 27th Sep 2011, 05:15pm

QUOTE (CAMPSIE @ 27th Sep 2011, 04:33pm) *
I find it inconceivable that Billy Connolly should head any political organisation as he has no experience in such, and further more he has not lived in Scotland for decades so is not in touch with the needs of the Scottish people, just like Sean Connery who often spouts what should be done in Scotland. You earn the right to represent or to be critical if you live in Scotland and not before.

Why not email Martin, telling him that his policy of encouraging expats, asking for their comments and votes, upsets you to no end.

Posted by: bilbo.s 27th Sep 2011, 05:24pm

QUOTE (angel @ 27th Sep 2011, 07:01pm) *
Why not email Martin, telling him that his policy of encouraging expats, asking for their comments and votes, upsets you to no end.

Sock it to him/her, baby ! mad.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 27th Sep 2011, 09:29pm

QUOTE (CAMPSIE @ 27th Sep 2011, 05:33pm) *
... furthermore (Billy Connolly) has not lived in Scotland for decades so is not in touch with the needs of the Scottish people

I can well imagine that the Big Yin is havin' a good laugh at Tom Harris' idea of ropin' him in as a possible candidate but with reference to the above quote I'm left to wonder if being out of the country for decades is a criterion for not heading a political party in Scotland as those who have stayed at home and head political parties seem to be well out of touch with the needs of the Scottish people anyway.
Tom Harris would be as well askin' me to head his party; I'm the same age as Billy tho' nowhere near as funny. rolleyes.gif
Like Billy, I laugh at Harris and his feeble attempt at trying to fill the needs of the Scottish people with a bigger comedian than himself. tongue.gif

Posted by: mlconnelly 27th Sep 2011, 10:05pm

Although I agree with the majority that Billy shouldn't involve himself in politics, I have to point out to Campsie that unlike Sean Connery, Billy Connolly still has a home here in Scotland that he does spend time in. He may only spend a limited time there but while there he usually entertains his A-list Hollywood friends which in turn is surely good news for the local economy, bring tourist to the area. Mary tongue.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 27th Sep 2011, 10:18pm

QUOTE (angel @ 27th Sep 2011, 05:20pm) *
However, I do think that he would make a great ambassador, he certainly could do that job.

How do you make that out? Any time I hear him mentioning Scotland or the Scots he's running us down!

Posted by: angel 28th Sep 2011, 01:53am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 27th Sep 2011, 10:04pm) *
How do you make that out? Any time I hear him mentioning Scotland or the Scots he's running us down!

Because I think he already is an ambassador, he has put body and soul into his career to be sucessful as a comedian and has moved on to other branches of this industry and doing very well as I understand. I believe that if he chose to be an ambassador, he would give that position the very same effort that he has done in his own career in order to be a success in his new venture .

I made my previous http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=21938&view=findpost&p=3554908 with a "tongue in cheek attitude" and still would hope that, should he be aproached, he would say no .

Posted by: angel 28th Sep 2011, 02:00am

Although I agree with the majority that Billy shouldn't involve himself in politics, I have to point out to Campsie that unlike Sean Connery, Billy Connolly still has a home here in Scotland that he does spend time in. He may only spend a limited time there but while there he usually entertains his A-list Hollywood friends which in turn is surely good news for the local economy, bring tourist to the area. Mary ...............................

and I might add that this means that he pays a lot in property taxes as do may expats who own homes in Scotland.

Posted by: glasgow lass 28th Sep 2011, 02:00am

Nicely put angel dry.gif

Posted by: glasgow lass 28th Sep 2011, 02:04am

Ex-pats get a bad rap at times, I believe that if Billy got the job he'd give it his all.

Posted by: angel 28th Sep 2011, 02:05am

cheers Lass . biggrin.gif

Posted by: tamhickey 28th Sep 2011, 03:05am

Billy doesn't need any of this. He once called Hollyrood a "wee pretendy parliament", so he has never hidden his disdain for our devolved parliament. Perhaps with that statement, he feels Scotland ought to have more powers than at present. If so, he'd be better off endorsing the nationalist cause rather than the Unionist one. I do believe David Tennant has also been approached in this regard to support the Labour Party in Scotland. Why don't they concentrate their efforts on doing what's best for Scotland and its people rather than begging for celebrity endorsements which might help their party? It's embarassing to say the least to see a once proud party being reduced to this; "Gonnae please dae this?" "How?" Jist...gonnae?"

Posted by: GG 28th Sep 2011, 07:04am

I never thought of Billy's "wee pretendy parliament" quote in that context, Tam ... I expect Mr Harris, who is bidding to be the next Labour leader in Scotland, didn't either. Thus far, we have heard nothing from the Big Yin himself on the subject, but will update here if he does comment.

GG.

Posted by: GG 28th Sep 2011, 07:09am

In the news yesterday was the shadow Scots secretary, Ann McKechin, who said that Labour would need more than just Billy Connolly in their fight against independence. She said that it would require a range of pro-UK Scots to spearhead the fight against Scotland leaving Britain when the First Minister names the day for his independence referendum.

Ms McKechin added:

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"It must be a team effort. Otherwise, it will be one person against one person and we can't decide the future of this country on that basis.

It's not the way we have fought previous campaigns, including the battle to create a Scottish parliament, and it should not be this time.

Different people will bring different strengths."

GG.

Posted by: JimC 28th Sep 2011, 07:57pm

I believe that Billy Connolly would be part of the huge majority of Scottish people who want Independence, I can see him fronting the SNP but cant see him as a labour unionist. Why would a Scottish hero like Billy Connolly ever want to stay tied to the apron strings of England, haven`t they done enough damage to Scotland already?. He may come accross as a common uncouth Glasgow commedian but he still has his head screwed on the right way, that I am sure of.

JimC

Posted by: Jim D 28th Sep 2011, 08:08pm

I don't think Billy Connolly would associate himself with any of the political parties, unless it was on humanitarian grounds -like he does with Comic Relief.

He doesn't need the hassle that an affiliation would bring.

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Sep 2011, 07:15am

QUOTE (JimC @ 28th Sep 2011, 09:43pm) *
I believe that Billy Connolly would be part of the huge majority of Scottish people who want Independence, I can see him fronting the SNP but cant see him as a labour unionist. Why would a Scottish hero like Billy Connolly ever want to stay tied to the apron strings of England, haven`t they done enough damage to Scotland already?. He may come accross as a common uncouth Glasgow commedian but he still has his head screwed on the right way, that I am sure of.

JimC

Mr Connolly has stated on many occasions that he is against independence and that he has disdain for nationalism, regarding it as akin to nazi-ism. That apart, I quite like him.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 29th Sep 2011, 08:08am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Sep 2011, 08:01am) *
Mr Connolly has stated on many occasions that he is against independence and that he has disdain for nationalism, regarding it as akin to nazi-ism. That apart, I quite like him.

My immediate though on reading this was John Lennon's "Imagine". A united GB as part of a united Europe might eventually become part of a united globe with " ... nothing to fight or die for"
We can only imagine. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Sep 2011, 01:28pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Sep 2011, 08:01am) *
Mr Connolly has stated on many occasions that he is against independence and that he has disdain for nationalism, regarding it as akin to nazi-ism. That apart, I quite like him.

Correct bilbo.s, Billy Connolys pro unionist are well documented, that's why his name has been put forward. Unless i have read the story wrong they don't want him to become a politician, they merely want him as a figurehead.

Posted by: andyguinness 5th Oct 2011, 08:26pm

Absolutely ridiculous

Posted by: wombat 5th Oct 2011, 08:56pm

QUOTE
Mr Connolly has stated on many occasions that he is against independence and that he has disdain for nationalism, regarding it as akin to nazi-ism. That apart, I quite like him.

he wid be against a united ireland then? aye right laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 5th Oct 2011, 09:24pm

The Germans have this Monday, Oct 3rd, just celebrated 21 years of reunification.
The Ossies are still trying to come to terms with being unified with the West and the Wessies are still trying to come to terms with still paying Solidarity contributions to the the East. rolleyes.gif
Forget Scotland Billy ... your needed over here. laugh.gif

Posted by: droschke7 6th Oct 2011, 07:03am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 5th Oct 2011, 11:10pm) *
The Germans have this Monday, Oct 3rd, just celebrated 21 years of reunification.
The Ossies are still trying to come to terms with being unified with the West and the Wessies are still trying to come to terms with still paying Solidarity contributions to the the East. rolleyes.gif
Forget Scotland Billy ... your needed over here. laugh.gif

LOL remember the Wall going, I was in Guetersloh at the time and got a wierd phone call from a female friend telling me the wall was coming down, I thought her house was collapsing and told her to get out of the house instead of phoning me. We could have done with billy then, only comedian we had then was Erich Honecker (the then President of the DDR ( East Germany)).

Posted by: glasgow lass 6th Oct 2011, 12:10pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Catarina 13th Oct 2011, 01:00am

expressing an opinion here,just that, as I now live in Canada,feel that I have no right whatsoever to be doing so....But I am from Glasgow,and have followed the Bin yin's career with interest.

And my short contribution to this, is...Billy stick to what you do best,and that is entertaining folks like me,who follow any video we can download. Where else in the part of Canada I live in (Eastern Coast) can I hear that distinct Scottish Accent,telling me to.".awa wi ye,ya big eegit".

luv ya Big Yin....oxo

Rena frae N.B. Canada

Posted by: andypisces 13th Oct 2011, 02:42am

Rena you can come tae ottawa and here my daughter call me it. It is her fav scottish word......Andra

Posted by: GG 23rd Nov 2011, 08:47am

A sculpture of the Big Yin and his banjo was yesterday unveiled on a block of flats in Anderston, Glasgow. The 20ft steel was produced by artist Andy Scott for the housing association Sanctuary Scotland.

Billy, 68, said:

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"I consider myself a citizen of the world, but I was born and raised in Glasgow - it is where my first children were born - where I learnt to play the banjo - where I served my apprenticeship as a welder, and where I first performed in public.

My heart beats to the rhythm of Glasgow - it is in my blood.

I am happy and humbled that Sanctuary Scotland Housing Association commissioned a mural of me, to be erected in my home city, and thrilled that it was so skillfully created by artist and master craftsman Andy Scott."

The work is part of a 50m regeneration project for the local area.


GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 23rd Nov 2011, 09:02am

Now, I would like tae have seen that on one of the house-walls on that wee village on my local Berg (See Art/Paintings Topic post#750 tongue.gif ).
Nae wonder the Son of Glasgow feels honoured.
Well done Billy and Well done Andy Scott. biggrin.gif

Posted by: tombro 23rd Nov 2011, 09:35am

Whereaboots in Anderston is it ?

Tombro huh.gif

Posted by: wee davy 23rd Nov 2011, 06:57pm

Is it still there? lol (bein' STEEL and all wink.gif )

A fine tribute, sure enough.

Posted by: angel 25th Nov 2011, 03:58pm

In Quebec city, the graffiti Art , depicts the history of the old Quebec
and it is just beautiful .

Posted by: GG 28th Dec 2011, 12:44am

Billy Connolly's refusal, thus far at lest, to step froward to front the unionist campaign is causing problems for those wishing to counter perceived SNP ascendancy on the issue:

QUOTE
SNP's independence campaign helped by unionists' tactical squabbles

The SNP have seized on a growing rift between unionist parties over the role David Cameron might play in the anti-independence campaign ahead of a referendum.

With the momentum behind First Minister Alex Salmond there are concerns on the unionist side that the case against independence is not being made.

The difficulty facing the Tories and Labour is finding a figure big enough to take on the SNP, who are getting their message across almost unopposed. ...

Full story here:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Politics/article/19937/snp-s-independence-campaign-helped-by-unionists-tactical-squabbles.html

GG.

Posted by: Jim D 29th Dec 2011, 12:49am

GG, that newspaper is based in the SNP heartlands. What would you expect. The time will eventually come when both sides will be required to back up their arguements. Both sides will put over their points and people will have their say. I for one do not need a Billy Connolly or a Sean Connery (shortbread tin scot) to convince me to form an opinion in any way.

For once, what I want is honesty from both sides. It's probably too much to ask for. I might aswell believe again in santa. lol

Posted by: Jim D 29th Dec 2011, 12:49am

GG, that newspaper is based in the SNP heartlands. What would you expect. The time will eventually come when both sides will be required to back up their arguements. Both sides will put over their points and people will have their say. I for one do not need a Billy Connolly or a Sean Connery (shortbread tin scot) to convince me to form an opinion in any way.

For once, what I want is honesty from both sides. It's probably too much to ask for. I might aswell believe again in santa. lol

Posted by: wellfield 29th Dec 2011, 05:15am

Billy' jist' you away and pit' yer' feet up on the front porch like ah' d,.and enjoy the remainder of yer' life,you can always look back and smile at your merits!!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Dec 2011, 10:26am

QUOTE (Jim D @ 29th Dec 2011, 12:05am) *
The time will eventually come when both sides will be required to back up their arguements.

Jim, the argument for the benefits of leaving the union have been out there for decades, it's the argument for remaining in the union that we are waiting for.
And that may take sometime, as they are so united in their defence of the union that they can't bear to share the same platform with each other, let alone decide who shall spearhead their campaign.

Posted by: Jim D 29th Dec 2011, 07:38pm

Jaz, the "REAL" arguement for me will be the cost of independence.

We will loss a massive amount of MOD, Civil Service jobs etc. I know they will definitely get rid of Coulport, Faslane etc. That will result in a massive unemployment in the Dumbartonshire, Stirlingshire, Argyll, Inverclyde areas.

We have heard of the so called good things about independence. I want to hear of the "not so good".

Lets get everything out in the open and let the people decide.

I don't want another fiasco like the Tories in the 80's calling Scargill a liar when he said the plan was to close 50 pits. There are now hardly any left.

I was not a lover of Scargill but the man was telling the truth at that point in time.

Posted by: Mathieson 29th Dec 2011, 11:00pm

Salmond and Co wish to take us away from the United Kingdom to be a more enthusiastic member of the European Union, where he/we will be among but the tiniest voices within the euro-mass (mess). That is, if the EU actually grant an independent entry for Scotland.
Looking at the state of the EU and the euro, what could possibly go wrong?
Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire? rolleyes.gif


Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Dec 2011, 08:49am

Just your usual humble opinion , of course. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Dec 2011, 09:55am

QUOTE (Jim D @ 29th Dec 2011, 06:54pm) *
Jaz, the "REAL" arguement for me will be the cost of independence.

We will loss a massive amount of MOD, Civil Service jobs etc. I know they will definitely get rid of Coulport, Faslane etc. That will result in a massive unemployment in the Dumbartonshire, Stirlingshire, Argyll, Inverclyde areas.

We have heard of the so called good things about independence. I want to hear of the "not so good".

Lets get everything out in the open and let the people decide.

I don't want another fiasco like the Tories in the 80's calling Scargill a liar when he said the plan was to close 50 pits. There are now hardly any left.

I was not a lover of Scargill but the man was telling the truth at that point in time.


Jim, if your fear of "the cost of independence" is of job losses as opposed to financial costs then you have even more to fear about us remaining within the union.

Over the 13 years of the labour government at Westminster, 10,000 MOD jobs were lost across all the services, even now the services are bracing themselves for more cuts from the caring Con/Dems, remember troops in Afghanistan receiving text messages informing them that their services will no longer be required.

Even as recently as last week we had Dave (flying by the seat of my pants) Cameron putting his arm around members of the armed forces telling them how he's going to look after them just as the story breaks of the Welsh guards being forced to live in squalid conditions that you wouldn't your pet dog to live in.

As for Coulport and Faslane, who's going to get rid of them?

Once Westminster removes it's nuclear submarines the area can be developed to base our own navel surface vessels as well as submarines (non nuclear) a Portsmouth on the Clyde if you wish.
As for job losses for the area, with a bigger fleet than is there at present, a larger workforce will be required.

Not wanting to dwell on the miners strike, but as you brought it up, you may have forgotten, or even been unaware that a couple of months before the strike a list of pits from Ayrshire though Lanarkshire, across the Central belt through to Fife, were given notices of closure.
Appeals by Scottish miners union leaders for strike action to the NUM (the N supposedly meant National) fell on deaf ears.
But when a second list appeared listing closures in Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire, and other parts of England and Wales.... the rest as they say is history.

So, far from being a knight in shinning armour Arthur Scargill and his cohorts in the NUM would have stood by idly and watched Scots miners being thrown on the scrapheap and that makes him worse than a liar in my opinion, that makes him a traitor to the men who put their trust in this man.

Just another example of this Disunited Kingdom.

So Jim, i hope i have eased some of your fears about the cost of independence, i don't have all the answers about independence but if you have any more fears i'll try to give you an honest answer.

While we're on the subject, perhaps you or some other unionist can tell me the "good things" or, "not so good things" about our dependency on Westminster?.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Dec 2011, 10:43am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 29th Dec 2011, 10:16pm) *
Salmond and Co wish to take us away from the United Kingdom to be a more enthusiastic member of the European Union, where he/we will be among but the tiniest voices within the euro-mass (mess). That is, if the EU actually grant an independent entry for Scotland.
Looking at the state of the EU and the euro, what could possibly go wrong?
Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire? rolleyes.gif


Spoken like a true unionist Mathie, talk Scotland down at every opportunity, this, "we're too small", "too poor"," too daft" mantra has been shown up for the lie it is.
As for Europe, it was you're Westminster idols who took us into Europe in the first place, and as for Scotland having the tiniest voice, on the contrary we shall have a loud voice defending Scotland's interests.

You also come out with more unionist scaremongering with, "if the EU actually grant an independent entry for Scotland".
Mathie, i don't know if it's escaped your notice, but Scotland is already a member of the EU, and even if it wasn't then surely that would be to your satisfaction if your "euro-mass (mess)" comment was anything to go by, make your mind up you either want to be in Europe or you don't?.

Do you honestly think that the EU would eject it's largest oil and gas producer?.

Keep talking Scotland down Mathie, you will bring independence day a lot quicker than any nationalist ever could rolleyes.gif


Posted by: Mathieson 30th Dec 2011, 11:27am

Of course I have spoken like a true unionist; I am a unionist. biggrin.gif And I have as much right to state my views as do you. Despite what you sneeringly imply, I am not talking Scotland down, although it's fair to say I can, and will, talk independence down.

I could just as easily easily accuse you of being of the type of nationalist bully who assume they have a monopoly on patriotism and love of Scotland, but of course I wouldn't ever dream of doing that. For the record, I am a proud Scot. I have visited more, and read more, of Scotland - past and present - than many nationalists who just bang on about getting rid of the English (not that I think you are one of those of course). Just because I do not favour independence doesn't make me any less so.

PS : And Scotland is not a member of the EU. The UK is. That seems to have escaped your notice.

Nemo me impune lacessit smile.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 30th Dec 2011, 11:51am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 30th Dec 2011, 09:05am) *
Just your usual humble opinion , of course. laugh.gif

Of course it is, bilbo. That's what the board is for, or so I always thought. biggrin.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 30th Dec 2011, 11:59am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 30th Dec 2011, 10:43am) *
PS : And Scotland is not a member of the EU. The UK is.

Nice bit o' hair splittin there. laugh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Dec 2011, 11:59am

laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 30th Dec 2011, 12:36pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 30th Dec 2011, 12:15pm) *
Nice bit o' hair splittin there. laugh.gif

laugh.gif I would imagine that this "hair splitting" would feature rather prominently in any subsequent discussions relating to the legality of who actually is (and isn't) a member state of the EU. The fact is, surely, that The United Kindom signed up as a member of the community, not Scotland, England, Northern Ireland or Wales, individually.

Incidentally, there is a train of thought that suggests that several EU members might not be overly enthusiastic at Scotland seeking separate membership. Spain and France for example each have claims from within their present borders from independence movements and they may not want to set a precedent. Probably just another scare story though. biggrin.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Dec 2011, 03:06pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 30th Dec 2011, 10:43am) *
Of course I have spoken like a true unionist; I am a unionist. biggrin.gif And I have as much right to state my views as do you. Despite what you sneeringly imply, I am not talking Scotland down, although it's fair to say I can, and will, talk independence down.

I could just as easily easily accuse you of being of the type of nationalist bully who assume they have a monopoly on patriotism and love of Scotland, but of course I wouldn't ever dream of doing that. For the record, I am a proud Scot. I have visited more, and read more, of Scotland - past and present - than many nationalists who just bang on about getting rid of the English (not that I think you are one of those of course). Just because I do not favour independence doesn't make me any less so.

PS : And Scotland is not a member of the EU. The UK is. That seems to have escaped your notice.

Nemo me impune lacessit smile.gif


Mathie, i would not deny you your right to express your views and opinions, on the contrary i welcome them, but i still say you are talking Scotland down, and i say that without a hint of a sneer.
I am glad to see that you are well read on Scottish history, i just wish they would spend more time teaching it more in our school's.
And no i am not a bully, you shouldn't assume that because someone questions your view's that the are trying to bully you.

You say that you are a proud Scot, as am i, but while i want Scotland to be independent and take it's place among the other sovereign state's of the world, you on the other hand seem content with Scotland being dependent on Westminster handout's and being mocked by your southern British unionist countrymen as being a drunk/junkie, subsidized, whinging Jock.
Where's the pride in that?. do you correct these people when they talk of Britain as England, or vice versa?

And as for "Getting rid of the English", there are 500,000 English people living in Scotland who contribute greatly to Scottish society and have been welcomed as have many other nationalities to this country, as being pro Scottish does not automatically make you anti English, another great unionist lie.

As for knowing about the constitutional parts of the UK, no it hadn't escaped my notice that it's the UK that has a seat in the EU., oh and by the way, the French would welcome us with open arm's, the Auld Alliance is still alive.

So come on Mathie, as i asked on an earlier post, i would like a unionist to tell me the benefits of us remaining in the union?.

Finally you must be the only Rangers fan who speaks Latin biggrin.gif

Posted by: myagnes 31st Dec 2011, 02:27am

Go for it BIG YIN, an ex welder from Govan Shipyards certainly can't be any worse than the politicians that Britain has today

Posted by: Scotsman 31st Dec 2011, 12:54pm

I think I have said this before on here but I think the Big Yin is better off out of it than getting involved. The politicians just want to use him because they cant agree on which one of them should lead. Stay well away Billy.

PS looking forward to your next film!!

Posted by: dondon 31st Dec 2011, 04:21pm

He would certainly be an equal of the comedians in Holyrood but I cannot see anyway he could benefit Scotland other than staying in the US with his wife.

Posted by: GG 2nd Feb 2012, 01:22am

He won't be getting involved in the independence/separation debate for Scotland, but he has been voted the best British stand-up comedian of all time in a new poll:

QUOTE
Scottish funnyman Billy Connolly has been voted the UK's most influential stand-up comedian of all time.

The Glaswegian topped a poll of 2,000 people, commissioned by TV channel Dave for the Leicester Comedy Festival.

Second placed Morecambe and Wise were followed by Victoria Wood, Eddie Izzard and Ben Elton.

Stephen Merchant, Jack Dee, Miranda Hart, Jason Manford and Jo Brand were among 100 comics who compiled a shortlist, which the public voted on.

Peter Cook was placed sixth, followed by Les Dawson, Lenny Henry, Sean Lock and Rik Mayall in 10th place.

US star Robin Williams was named top international comedian. ...

Full story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16787617

Well done Billy!

GG.

Posted by: droschke7 2nd Feb 2012, 11:01pm

Please please please not another comedian in Hollyrood, the place is full of them already. Just as a matter of interest I saw an article yesterday saying that 51% of scots were for independance, the thing is I know I've never been asked and I have yet to find someone who has been asked (despite whether they want it or not) so please is there anyone out there (irespective of whether you are for or against independance) who has actually been asked?

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 3rd Feb 2012, 12:01am

QUOTE (GG @ 2nd Feb 2012, 12:38am) *
... but he has been voted the best British stand-up comedian of all time in a new poll:


Well done Billy!

GG.

I'm with you on that.
I was over the moon when I read that (somewhere else). Couldn't have happened to a funnier person. biggrin.gif


Posted by: GG 27th Feb 2012, 11:54pm

Apparently, Billy's too busy being Brave:


GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 28th Feb 2012, 12:20am

Ah wont be watchin' that in German language. tongue.gif laugh.gif
Lookin' forward tae the DVD. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GG 14th Mar 2012, 08:06am

Looks like Billy is too busy now for a career in Scottish politics:

QUOTE
He has had more careers than most people – welder, musician, comedian, actor and television presenter. But now, at the age of 69, Billy Connolly has added another string to his bow by launching a new career as an artist.

An exhibition of drawings by the Glasgow-born comedian will be unveiled tonight at an event at the Halcyon Gallery in London’s Mayfair. The collection of six sketches, called Born On A Rainy Day – a reference to the weather in Montreal when he began his foray into visual art – has a surrealist feel. The pen-and-ink line drawings include three men wearing suits, a two-headed figure wearing a dress and a man walking an oversized dog. ...

Full story here:
http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/visual-arts/billy-conolly-enjoys-new-leash-of-life-as-an-artist-1-2170916

GG.


 

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 14th Mar 2012, 08:22am

QUOTE
Connolly joins a growing list of celebrities who have launched sidelines as artists. David Bowie, Bob Dylan and Rolling Stones guitarist Ronnie Wood have all shown their work in galleries to varying levels of critical and commercial success.

Aye, right Billy. you've joined the list son but you should have tried to see if you could have got some tips fae Ronnie Wood furst. laugh.gif (see Art and Paintings topic. rolleyes.gif )

Posted by: john.mcn 14th Mar 2012, 10:12am

QUOTE
Connolly is being represented by Birmingham-based fine art dealers Washington Green. The firm describes his art as “similar to that of the Surrealist Automatism movement, whereby the artist allows the hand to move randomly across the paper or canvas, without an intent to create anything specifically”.

They called that doodling or scribbling when i was wee, but the biggest laugh i've had from Billy in a long time is the price, 3,500 signed or 3,000 unsigned .Now i'm as proud as any Glaswegian when one of our own makes it, but 500 quid for a signature, sorry but thats when we bring them back to reality and start ignoring them.
BTW, bring back the days when Art meant you could draw and paint, i justdont get what passes itself off as it nowadays.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 14th Mar 2012, 12:48pm

Totally agree with you but the 500 notes is for the authentication (that way you can sell it later for 8 grand cool.gif )

Posted by: wee davy 14th Mar 2012, 01:24pm

Let's face it, Tomi - its a centuries old scam for shifting tat! (Especially copies) lol laugh.gif If its an original - its worthy of a personal artists ID mark
If its a copy - ITS a COPY unsure.gif Therefore he's only supplying to demand - rightly, at a reduced rate.

Posted by: john.mcn 15th Mar 2012, 11:04am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 14th Mar 2012, 12:53pm) *
Totally agree with you but the 500 notes is for the authentication (that way you can sell it later for 8 grand cool.gif )

For 3 grand a scribble i'd want a bloody photo of me handing over the cheque to Billy himself, as well as it signed(FOC). After all a cheque is worth feck all unsigned and this 'art' should be the same(and thats not me acknowledging it's worth anymore than the paper it's scribbled on) Anyway i missed the bit about prints being available, these 'copies' start at 395 ohmy.gif , do you think they would accept me 'copying' some money in exchange?
I suppose though if people have the money and the desire to throw it away thats up to them, i just hope that some council bigwig doesn't see owning some originals as a tribute to a Glasgow son, and then goes on a spending spree with tax payers money.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 15th Mar 2012, 01:09pm

Ach, yer jist an aul' meaney. laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 15th Mar 2012, 01:44pm

Damn right, have you seen the prices of food and fuel over here biggrin.gif

You know on closer inspection on that one pictured i'm starting to think it isn't a man walking an overgrown dog, but in fact some sort of S+M mummy themed sex game. Now that i've put that thought out there it may increase in value wink.gif

Posted by: GG 18th Mar 2012, 12:58pm

Billy's still taking no nonsense:

QUOTE
Billy Connolly’s latest tour has been marred by another boozed-up fan who staggered on to the stage.

The Big Yin was heckled by a man in his 50s towards the end of his show in Cardiff’s Motorpoint Arena last week.

The man – carrying two pints of lager – demanded Connolly gave him money near the end of his
two-and-a-half-hour routine.

He placed a metal tin at Connolly’s feet and loudly asked for cash from the Glasgow-born comic.

Connolly, 69, told him: “I’ve not got any money on me so f*** off.”

Eventually, five bouncers ushered the man away, which prompted Connolly to joke that he had “got an urgent message from his mother”.

Scottish author Colin MacFarlane, 55, who was at the concert, said: “I thought the guy was going to attack Billy after he demanded the money from him but he typically turned it all into a joke.

“He may be nearly 70 but he can still handle an aggressive drunk.” ...

GG.

Posted by: tamhickey 19th Mar 2012, 06:54am

How crazy is that? When I went to see Billy in 2006, the cheapest ticket was 25 and there were reports which I verified as true that some tickets were changing hands for up to 800 on ebay! I assume this drunk guy got a near front row seat which would probably have cost him almost 100. That being the case, he's not going to be short of a bob or two. It's just bizarre!

Posted by: Scotsman 23rd Apr 2012, 12:07pm

Just heard on the stv news that Billy is the one person who makes Scottish people feel most proud about being Scottish.... would that not make him the wrong person to be the leader for the unionists??

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/304512-billy-connolly-makes-more-people-proud-to-be-scottish-than-the-queen/

Posted by: john.mcn 23rd Apr 2012, 12:41pm

How many were involved in this poll?

Posted by: droschke7 23rd Apr 2012, 01:19pm

Got my scanner and printer running at top speed will soon have a copy of 3500 ready for Billy's "Art".

Posted by: Doug1 20th May 2012, 05:06pm

I dont like Alex Salmon and I dont like nationalists either and I sure as hell dont want these guys running (ruining) my country. I like my country just the way it is and I dont want it changed by a load of bampot extremists. Can you imagine. Alex Salmon "king of Scotland" perish the thought !!!

Billy Connolly has never liked nationalism so he is the ideal guy to put this message over so if your reading this Billy get your foot in the door now and speak up for all the peasantry out there and stop this nonsense. You've got my vote right away. Cheers Mate.

Posted by: GG 11th Dec 2012, 11:22pm

The issue of Connolly potentially supporting the 'No' campaign in the referendum was briefly raised again in the media this week, with Connolly mocking Connery for taking the opposite stance:

QUOTE
... Earlier [before receiving a Bafta Scotland award], Connolly mocked Sir Sean Connery for supporting Scottish independence while living in the Bahamas. The comedian said he found it funny that his friend was such a fervent supporter of breaking away from the UK.

Connery, 82, is the SNP's most high-profile backer while Connolly is pro-Union and is being courted by the Better Together campaign in the run-up to the 2014 independence referendum.

In an interview he said:

"I don't know where Sean got that voice from, nobody else in Scotland sounds like that. And he's a great wheel in the Scottish National Party, he s always shouting for independence. And he lives in the Bahamas. He couldn't find Scotland in a taxi.

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 12th Dec 2012, 09:35am

I think Billy is on a shakey peg here.... he makes his living out of Glasgow but when was the last time he actually lived here??

I think that comedians should stay out of politics altogether. Lets face it there are already enough clowns trying to tell us what to do!!

Posted by: john.mcn 12th Dec 2012, 11:13am

Billy Connolly vows to keep his mouth shut over Scottish independence

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/billy-connolly-vows-to-keep-his-mouth-shut-over-scottish-independence-8410804.html

Posted by: bilbo.s 12th Dec 2012, 12:03pm

Obviously Billy does not know what he is talking about. He asks if Scotland needs an extra level of government, when independence would mean one less, namely Westmidden.

Posted by: john.mcn 12th Dec 2012, 01:53pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 12th Dec 2012, 12:20pm) *
Obviously Billy does not know what h is talking about. He asks if Scotland needs an extra level of government, when independence would mean one less, namely Westmidden.


Not to mention as we are to be turfed out of the EU, it would mean 2 less wink.gif

Posted by: bigarthur 12th Dec 2012, 03:52pm

I’m a big fan of Connolly as a comedian and also enjoy his travelogues around the world on tv. From a welder from Partick to hobnobbing with Prince Charles in his guise as a highland laird, he’s come a long way and good luck to him. That said, I don’t agree with his “political” outbursts about our “pretendy parliament” and slagging off Sean Connery. He’s welcome to join the unionist mob – “New” Labour, Tories and the Lib Dems (the political prostitutes of our time) who want us to be ruled from Westminster for all time. What a thought – stuck with Cameron / Clegg / Milliband clones as our leaders. Salmond might not be everyone’s cup of tea but he’s light years ahead of that lot and actually worked for a living whereas they all left their fee paying schools and went straight into politics and now presume to lecture us on paying our way as we are all in it together. Aye, right !

Posted by: Dylan 13th Dec 2012, 10:41am

When I see that big eejit Connolly strutting about , dressed like Harry Lauder, I cringe.

I hope he stays out of this debate,as no way does he represent me.!!!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 13th Dec 2012, 12:14pm

I suppose Billy could just as well enter Scottish politics. I mean, he has years of experience of ad-libing and making it up as he goes along. laugh.gif

Posted by: Dylan 13th Dec 2012, 12:18pm

Well he could yet join the SNP !

Posted by: Ossie 14th Dec 2012, 03:42pm

A very good example of what should be a serious debate getting lost in the vulgar cult of personality folks . Can I just say from my own perspective, as recently as maybe five years or so ago my opinion on independence would have been unequivocally no. I am now 80% on the way to saying yes . First let me say the scaremongering doesn't impress me in the slightest . We as a nation would be no worse off . Of that I'm absolutely sure .

I look forward to what is the most important debate any of us will ever be involved in as far as our wee country is concerned . Far too important to be left to "personalties" to make our minds up for us .

This vote is not about whether we like individuals , be they politicians , entertainers , or whatever .
It's not even a vote on any particular political party . It's a vote on whether we want change . It's a vote on whether we are happy to continue to allow our neighbours In England ,( a country incidentally I really like ) to foist whichever politics THEY choose on us . Even if WE choose something entirely different, perhaps even opposite .

It's a choice between subservience and self determination.

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Dec 2012, 04:43pm

Very well said, Ossie. You are absolutely right. I wish everyone on here and elsewhere would discuss the issues only, no matter what side of the debate they support. Unfortunately there are those who choose deliberately spoiling tactics, as they have no logical points to make, whether they are posters, journalists or politicians.

Posted by: Mathieson 14th Dec 2012, 06:21pm

I couldn't care less what opinion Connelly has on independence, or Connery for that matter.
Last time I heard both had left Scotland for elsewhere, so what the heck does it have to do with them?

Posted by: Dylan 14th Dec 2012, 06:37pm

Ossie,

Who elected you as the Board censor ?

Support from Bilbo is no support at all as he would agree with Auld Nick if he Posted in support of the SNP and/or disagreed with me.

Only 80% on way to saying YES ? Aye right,ready made SNP foot soldier reporting for duty Shreck tongue.gif .

Levity and a bit of fun run through this Board but any critiscism of SNP is verbotten ( Thats German Tomi thumbup.gif ).
I understand you are only obeying orders but lighten up. A wee joke about the Thistle Munchers will not result in the demise of the SNP. If it did I would be flooding the board with the help of my Merry Mac joke book. All the way from the very very Scottish Bonnie Dundee.

Och aye the noo !!

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Dec 2012, 06:43pm

Q.E.D.

See your German is as good as your English! tongue.gif

Posted by: Dylan 14th Dec 2012, 06:45pm

GOTCHA laugh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Dec 2012, 06:48pm

You´re romancing again ! laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Dec 2012, 07:05pm

How dull this forum would be without Dylan and his pulling of legs smile.gif

Posted by: Ossie 14th Dec 2012, 07:06pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 14th Dec 2012, 06:54pm) *
Ossie,

Who elected you as the Board censor ?

Support from Bilbo is no support at all as he would agree with Auld Nick if he Posted in support of the SNP and/or disagreed with me.

Only 80% on way to saying YES ? Aye right,ready made SNP foot soldier reporting for duty Shreck tongue.gif .

Levity and a bit of fun run through this Board but any critiscism of SNP is verbotten ( Thats German Tomi thumbup.gif ).
I understand you are only obeying orders but lighten up. A wee joke about the Thistle Munchers will not result in the demise of the SNP. If it did I would be flooding the board with the help of my Merry Mac joke book. All the way from the very very Scottish Bonnie Dundee.

Och aye the noo !!



Hi Dylan , board censor ? Think you should take the time to read through my post again mate . As stated I'm looking forward to the debate . That includes everyone's take on things .

SNP foot soldier ? Naw, don't think so mate , I'm actually an ex-member of the Labour Party ( remember them ) who is struggling to find some sense is the direction we as a country are taking .
But hey, if you have half a mind to follow our " celebrities" lead , then......it's all you need .

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Dec 2012, 07:11pm

QUOTE (Ossie @ 14th Dec 2012, 07:23pm) *
As stated I'm looking forward to the debate . That includes everyone's take on things .

SNP foot soldier ? Naw, don't think so mate , I'm actually an ex-member of the Labour Party ( remember them ) who is struggling to find some sense is the direction we as a country are taking .


Don't waste your time Ossie, Dylan doesn't do debate, and he steadfastly refuses to believe that current or ex members of the Labour party could support Scottish self determination.

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Dec 2012, 07:18pm

Ossie, If you are looking for debate, I strongly advise you to concentrate on that and ignore the moronic "humour" , specifically aimed at spoiling attempts at intelligent discussion. It is abundantly clear that some people have no rational contribution to make, and resort to this behaviour. Not once have they even tried to justify their support for the Union, despite frequent requests. That speaks volumes!

Posted by: Ossie 14th Dec 2012, 07:26pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 14th Dec 2012, 07:35pm) *
Ossie, If you are looking for debate, I strongly advise you to concentrate on that and ignore the moronic "humour" , specifically aimed at spoiling attempts at intelligent discussion. It is abundantly clear that some people have no rational contribution to make, and resort to this behaviour. Not once have they even tried to justify their support for the Union, despite frequent requests. That speaks volumes!


Hi bilbo. s ,

kind of sussed that myself really . Just thought it would be ( quite apart from good manners ) correct to reply to Dylan . He's more than welcome to have his say .

Posted by: Dylan 14th Dec 2012, 08:23pm

All Tartan Tumshies together.

Wallace The Bruce would have been proud of you.

One for all and all for Haggis.

You will be mentioned in Sporrans to Shrek.

Life gets tedious ( Hank Williams ) tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Dec 2012, 09:17pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 14th Dec 2012, 08:40pm) *
All Tartan Tumshies together.

Wallace The Bruce would have been proud of you.

One for all and all for Haggis.

You will be mentioned in Sporrans to Shrek.

Life gets tedious ( Hank Williams ) tongue.gif


Dylan, why do you despise your fellow Scots who want nothing more than to make Scotland a great country to live and work?

You seem more than happy to ridicule Scotland's proud history and traditions, if you think this will endear you to your London overlords you have another think coming.

Your Cheatin' Heart (Hank Williams) tongue.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Dec 2012, 10:15pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 14th Dec 2012, 09:40pm) *
All Tartan Tumshies together.

Wallace The Bruce would have been proud of you.

One for all and all for Haggis.

You will be mentioned in Sporrans to Shrek.

Life gets tedious ( Hank Williams ) tongue.gif


That´s the stuff ! Keep it up. We know there´s plenty more bilge where that came from. You do your cause proud. laugh.gif

Posted by: Dylan 14th Dec 2012, 10:55pm

Thank you, Thank you.

So pleased to have the support of the " Clueless Clown Clan " tongue.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 14th Dec 2012, 11:22pm

Well, tae get back on topic unsure.gif (I think tongue.gif ) I for one would really love to see The Big Yin entering the political ring. He would make a really great member of the opposition; regardless of who's in opposition and I'd especially like tae see him in for two reasons:

The first being - I like the Big Yin.

The second being - I actually like aw the Big Yins.



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Posted by: Dylan 15th Dec 2012, 07:01am

Well done Tomi.

Back on Topic .

Common sense prevails. laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 15th Dec 2012, 11:17am

Dylan, I can imagine a parliamentary debate in full swing with Connery on one side of the aisle and Connelly on the other. Insults and inuendos flying thick and fast when; suddenly ...
... the director shouts "CUT" laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Dec 2012, 11:33am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 15th Dec 2012, 11:34am) *
I can imagine a parliamentary debate in full swing with Connery on one side of the aisle and Connelly on the other. Insults and inuendos flying thick and fast


The truth is their the best of pals biggrin.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Dec 2012, 11:42am

Just like Dylan and I ? laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 15th Dec 2012, 12:02pm

Bill, I think you and Dylan are one and the same person posting as alter egos. laugh.gif
Cannae kid the kid. tongue.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Dec 2012, 12:18pm

Nah- ye couldnae alter his ego that much ! unsure.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 15th Dec 2012, 01:14pm

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Posted by: Dylan 15th Dec 2012, 01:19pm

Nah Tomi, you can't fool a fool !

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Dec 2012, 01:43pm

Och, now ye´re gettin paranoid ! Naebdy wis tryin´tae fool ye ! tongue.gif

Posted by: Dylan 15th Dec 2012, 02:31pm

Predictable and uninspired response.

No surprise there then !!

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Dec 2012, 02:38pm

What can I say? You just don´t inspire me. sad.gif

Posted by: Dylan 15th Dec 2012, 04:19pm

Not quite true as you respond every time I Post anything ?

I get more attention from you than from Cheryl Cole .

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Dec 2012, 05:40pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 15th Dec 2012, 05:36pm) *
I get more attention from you than from Cheryl Cole .



I can´t argue with that! That would be infinitely more. biggrin.gif


Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Dec 2012, 05:40pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 15th Dec 2012, 04:36pm) *
I get more attention from you than from Cheryl Cole .


Awwwww Is Cheryl Cole not giving you much attention Dylan, maybe you should try another aftershave laugh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Dec 2012, 05:43pm

For external use only ! cool.gif

Posted by: Dylan 15th Dec 2012, 06:13pm

Shows what you know .

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 16th Dec 2012, 02:04am

And to show you what I know rolleyes.gif My better half and I in the company of the mate on the right of that picture I posted (half Scot/half German from Berlin) went to visit the guy on the left tonight (German mate living in France) and found out why the three giants had such big silly grins on their faces.
My balcony has an 8 centimeter ledge all around it ... and those three were all standing on it. laugh.gif
I didn't think I was that wee ... now I know. laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 16th Dec 2012, 02:33pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9746872/Is-Scotland-in-Europe-The-SNP-doesnt-even-know.html

Posted by: JAGZ1876 16th Dec 2012, 03:24pm

It looks like Alistair Darling's been caught out telling porkie's about an independent Scotland having to accept the Euro, maybe David Cameron was paying him back for pinching his "Flying by the seat of their pants" quote laugh.gif



http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/6443-better-together-eu-chaos-as-cameron-comments-leave-darling-euro-claims-in-tatters

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 12th Aug 2013, 04:45pm

QUOTE (Rabbie @ 26th Sep 2011, 12:43am) *
You tell em Billy. It's a sick joke and no very funny.

A naw from me, just cannea see Billly in a suit an tie telling porky pies and claiming false allowances.


Consider this. He was nailed by the Sunday Mail back about July/August 1990 with a two page spread. His production company was set-up on the Isle Of Jersey so they, and himself, could pay as little or no tax as possible.
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Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 12th Aug 2013, 05:03pm

QUOTE (mlconnelly @ 27th Sep 2011, 10:03pm) *
Although I agree with the majority that Billy shouldn't involve himself in politics, I have to point out to Campsie that unlike Sean Connery, Billy Connolly still has a home here in Scotland that he does spend time in. He may only spend a limited time there but while there he usually entertains his A-list Hollywood friends which in turn is surely good news for the local economy, bring tourist to the area. Mary tongue.gif


That`ll be his big castle, right? Not some nice, little, discreet cottage. He spends "limited time" here cos if he goes over the proscribed 90 days per year the Tax Brigade starts feeling his collar. (See the post above).

His A-list Hollywood pals, (Steve Martin, Robin Willams, et al), faded stars of yesteryear, just like Connolly himself, bring little to the table. The Highland Games in his area got by perfectly well before he bestowed "patronage" upon them. Also, though he doesn`t stop others playing the "benefits to the local community" card on his behalf, the last thing Connolly, (and presumably his ex-rehab luvvy pals) want and, ironically, the locals too (and who could blame them?) are riff-raff gatecrashing the Games just to touch the coats of The Good And The Great.

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 12th Aug 2013, 05:14pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 14th Dec 2012, 06:19pm) *
I couldn't care less what opinion Connelly has on independence, or Connery for that matter.
Last time I heard both had left Scotland for elsewhere, so what the heck does it have to do with them?


And for sunnier climes, no less! They remind me of the ex-pat parents of Mike Myer`s character in "So I married An Axe Murderer": Bay City Roller paraphenelia everywhere, tartan bunnets, tattie scones, you name it. What is it about certain types of ex-pats? If they miss the place that much why did they leave? More importantly, why don`t they come back?

I suspect we may have to keep an eye on this particular strain of misty-eyed pseudo-patriot come a successful Independence result. The term "carpetbaggers" comes to mind. Have you noticed how this pair, the devout No-er and the devout Yes-ser, have been uncharacteristically silent in recent times as D-Day looms?

Bet-hedging, maybe?
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Posted by: bilbo.s 12th Aug 2013, 05:22pm

I would add that my family and I patronised the Lonach Gathering, way back in 1974, while Billy Connolly was still doing gigs at the likes of the Tudor Hotel in Airdrie. I only went once, as nobody seemed to care, or else they hid their adoration well.

Posted by: droschke7 12th Aug 2013, 05:29pm

If I remember rightly, in the SNP constitution, as soon as Scotland gets independence, the SNP will disband and cease to exist. Well in my opinion that is the one and only reason to votr yes. I will be voting NO

Posted by: bilbo.s 12th Aug 2013, 06:11pm

That must have been a tough call for you. Bit of a quandary, eh? laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Aug 2013, 07:32pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 12th Aug 2013, 05:27pm) *
If I remember rightly, in the SNP constitution, as soon as Scotland gets independence, the SNP will disband and cease to exist. Well in my opinion that is the one and only reason to votr yes. I will be voting NO


And what constitution is that exactly, perhaps you could post a link to their quote that they'll disband or cease to exist, or just be honest and admit you just made it up, just like the rest of your Anti Scottish independence fabrications, no point in asking you why you will be voting NO as you will disappear for another six months only to reappear with another fairy story.


Posted by: Betsy2009 12th Aug 2013, 08:25pm

I looked at their constitution and couldn't find that either.

Posted by: droschke7 12th Aug 2013, 08:26pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Aug 2013, 08:30pm) *
And what constitution is that exactly, perhaps you could post a link to their quote that they'll disband or cease to exist, or just be honest and admit you just made it up, just like the rest of your Anti Scottish independence fabrications, no point in asking you why you will be voting NO as you will disappear for another six months only to reappear with another fairy story.

So once again you're calling me a liar? I'm getting used to you doing that. It's not made up, the whole point of the SNP is independance and if they manage to get it their reason for being will be gone. Seems to me that you're an SNP minion who calls everyone a liar who is against the SNP and in actual fact the biggest liar is Mr Salmond. He's made that many u turns he's going round in circles and must be getting dizzy.

Posted by: wombat 12th Aug 2013, 09:00pm



















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Posted by: Betsy2009 12th Aug 2013, 09:33pm

droschke7 - I'm not calling you a liar or anything else. I thought it was a very interesting point and I'd like to hear more about it. Are there any documents or anything that I could read?

Posted by: wombat 12th Aug 2013, 09:57pm

tongue.gif aye betsy my book of fairy stories tongue.gif

 

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 09:15am

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 12th Aug 2013, 08:24pm) *
So once again you're calling me a liar? I'm getting used to you doing that.

Seems to me that you're an SNP minion who calls everyone a liar who is against the SNP and in actual fact the biggest liar is Mr Salmond. He's made that many u turns he's going round in circles and must be getting dizzy.


I'm not calling you a liar, i'm asking you to produce evidence to back up your claim (calling your bluff so to speak) because you know you made it up, i know you made it up, and now everyone else knows that you made it up.

Did i call you a liar before? Was i wrong?

Can you give me an example of how "in actual fact" that Alex Salmond is "the biggest liar", if you are comparing him to previous (and the present) Westminster governments that is a damning statement, but i'm sure that you will have no problem in supplying the evidence to this and your "SNP will disband and cease to exist", claim.

That shouldn't be too difficult for a Tory minion like you.

Now don't you run away and hide for months like you usually do, grow a pair and actually defend your corner, i'll even overlook the fact that you haven't even come up with a reply to my question to give one reason why you will vote no.




Posted by: Dylan 13th Aug 2013, 10:13am

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this debate it is interesting to note that because dorschke7, disagrees with the SNP he is automatically branded a Tory but much worse is that he is dismissed as a minion.

Bully Boy strikes again.!!!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 10:46am

QUOTE (Dylan @ 13th Aug 2013, 10:11am) *
Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this debate it is interesting to note that because dorschke7, disagrees with the SNP he is automatically branded a Tory but much worse is that he is dismissed as a minion.

Bully Boy strikes again.!!!


Once again you do a Nelson and see only what you want to see, check out droschke7's post #165 and you will see his quote " Seems to me that you're an SNP minion", so who's the bully boy?

Yet more double standards.

Why do you and your type brand every YES Scotland campaigner as an SNP supporter yet take offence when i call voters who support the Tory led Anti Scottish independence campaign a Tory?

Do you agree with me that droschke7 was wrong to call me a SNP minion?

You won't answer any of the questions i have asked you, will you?

Posted by: droschke7 13th Aug 2013, 11:11am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 12th Aug 2013, 10:31pm) *
droschke7 - I'm not calling you a liar or anything else. I thought it was a very interesting point and I'd like to hear more about it. Are there any documents or anything that I could read?


Funny that comment was to JAGZ not to anyone else, or is this just another JAGZ ID?
FYI JAGZ I am not a Tory but a life long Socialist and Labour supporter, except of course for the time when I was serving my country overseas and was unable to vote. All my comments have been made after seeing TV reports, reading Newspaper reports and reading reports found on the internet, so I haven't been lying at all. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the SNP or yes campaign. Admittedly some of the reports I quoted were from the "Better Together Campaign" but I personally haven't lied. As a disabled ex serviceman who has served his country I have earned my right to have an opinion as to what happens in our nation(s). What I have done is gather some website addresses to back up my opinion on whether the SNP are lying or not.

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/snp-could-disband-after-independence-1095750.html

http://yestouk.posterous.com/lies-damn-lies-and-nationalists-vol-3-interna

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9473730/A-leak-that-shines-light-on-Salmonds-backroom-dealings.html#
http://www.scotsman.com/news/brian-wilson-nationalism-priority-not-economy-1-3032213

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/salmond-accused-of-misleading-holyrood-over-pensions-1-3030768

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-supporters-caught-posing-pictures-2111409

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/aee31276-5fe2-11e2-8d8d-00144feab49a.html#axzz2bqPRVdgS

http://bettertogether.net/blog/entry/250

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10209987/Charity-money-diverted-into-pension-funds-after-Scottish-independence.html

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/events/2013/4/09%20scotland/20130409_scotland_salmond_transcript.pdf

page 8 he talks about having to renegotiating membership of the EU

http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/archive/the-snp-after-independence__o_t__t_7941.html

http://s891.photobucket.com/user/droschke7/media/SNPLies.jpg.html

Posted by: Rab 13th Aug 2013, 12:43pm

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Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 13th Aug 2013, 01:02pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 13th Aug 2013, 11:09am) *
What I have done is gather some website addresses to back up my opinion on whether the SNP are lying or not.


http://s891.photobucket.com/user/droschke7/media/SNPLies.jpg.html


The Better Together spokesman accused the Labour For Scottish Independence spokesman last week on EBC Colonial Scotland of being just a bunch of SNP frontmen. But the LFSI spokesman clearly pointed out that, just like BT, they are a cross-party movement that will work with any other party that shares their aim. A simple and straightforward answer.

I`m not going to accuse you of misleading us here. But I don`t understand why you are unaware of this.

Also, a quick glance along your listed websites concerning the validity of the SNP`s Independence claims reveals they are mostly culled from pro-Union/Better Together sites or their press allies (the Record, Scotsmen, Herald). These quotes can only be taken at face-value. They clearly come from a non-impartial fraternity with a deep-seated stake, if not whose very continued survival, rides on the outcome of the Referendum.

P.S. We`re drifting away from the purpose of this particular thread towards matters that belong on the Independence thread.

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Posted by: john.mcn 13th Aug 2013, 01:17pm



That picture was posted months ago on facebook, but get this the peoples names were clearly labelled underneath and they weren't called LFI supporters but members of the YES campaign who got there picture took at a Yes event LFI attended..
If this was 'news' why didnt the Betta Togetha lot pipe up then, maybe they waited until people had forget about the event so they could try to slur LFI..

BTW i have Labour supporting family members who will be voting YES next year, i dont think they'd like being called closet SNP supporters.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 01:22pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 13th Aug 2013, 11:09am) *
Funny that comment was to JAGZ not to anyone else, or is this just another JAGZ ID?
FYI JAGZ I am not a Tory but a life long Socialist and Labour supporter

I have earned my right to have an opinion as to what happens in our nation(s). What I have done is gather some website addresses to back up my opinion on whether the SNP are lying or not.

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/snp-could-disband-after-independence-1095750.html

http://yestouk.posterous.com/lies-damn-lies-and-nationalists-vol-3-interna

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9473730/A-leak-that-shines-light-on-Salmonds-backroom-dealings.html#
http://www.scotsman.com/news/brian-wilson-nationalism-priority-not-economy-1-3032213

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/salmond-accused-of-misleading-holyrood-over-pensions-1-3030768

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-supporters-caught-posing-pictures-2111409

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/aee31276-5fe2-11e2-8d8d-00144feab49a.html#axzz2bqPRVdgS

http://bettertogether.net/blog/entry/250

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10209987/Charity-money-diverted-into-pension-funds-after-Scottish-independence.html

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/events/2013/4/09%20scotland/20130409_scotland_salmond_transcript.pdf

page 8 he talks about having to renegotiating membership of the EU

http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/archive/the-snp-after-independence__o_t__t_7941.html

http://s891.photobucket.com/user/droschke7/media/SNPLies.jpg.html



You have been busy.

First off, i am not a member of the SNP or any other political party but a life long campaigner for Scottish Self determination.

No one is denying you your right to an opinion in our country, and read my post again, i did not accuse you of lying, i asked you to produce evidence to back up your claims that the SNP and the YES campaign have been lying which you have again failed to produce.

If we go through the ten links you have put up nothing in them supports your claims of Yes campaign lies or your claim, "If I remember rightly, in the SNP constitution, as soon as Scotland gets independence, the SNP will disband and cease to exist."

#1. Steven Moon (who is not a member of the SNP) raising the "possibility of the SNP disbanding after a YES vote" is not proof of the SNP having a written constitution stating it would. So are they guilty or not guilty of lying? No Guilty.

#2 No longer exists. (Just like the unionists reasons to retain the union) Not proven.

#3. Another of Arch unionist Alan Cochran's rants, but no evidence of SNP lie's. Not Guilty.

#4. The Brian Wilson monologue that i put to bed last week in response to Guests (or is this just another droschke7 ID) post, once again, no evidence of the SNP lying. Not Guilty.

#5. "PRO-UK parties have accused Alex Salmond of misleading MSPs over his assurances that Scotland could avoid a pension fund crisis.", accusations are not proof of anything. Not Guilty.

#6. The doctored photographs produced by the Anti Scottish independence Tory led better together campaign who cropped photo's taken at YES Scotland rallies, one from last year and one from March of this year to smear the Labour for independence group who had been attending the rallies, why the unionists would have a problem with fellow YES campaigners helping each other out, but don't have a problem with Alistair Darling not looking out of place addressing the Tory party conference is beyond me. Not Guilty.

#7 Wouldn't give me access. Not Proven.

#8. Same discredited story as #6. Not Guilty

#9. "Charity money could be put in risk" Where's the evidence? Not Guilty.

#10. A link to a message board!? Make your point. Until you do. Not Guilty.

Feel free to respond.

Posted by: droschke7 13th Aug 2013, 01:37pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Aug 2013, 08:30pm) *
And what constitution is that exactly, perhaps you could post a link to their quote that they'll disband or cease to exist, or just be honest and admit you just made it up, just like the rest of your Anti Scottish independence fabrications, no point in asking you why you will be voting NO as you will disappear for another six months only to reappear with another fairy story.


if I , as you say "made it up" then that is a back handed way of calling someone a liar isn't it? The reason I stopped posting on that other forum, the SNP one was because I was sick and tired at your attempts at cyber bullying which you should know is now illegal, I have on the other hand posted comments on other Glasgow Guide Forums throughout the "6 Months", I just stopped posting on Bigoted Forums.

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Aug 2013, 01:41pm

OK. Let's just wrap this up. Billy Connolly should not enter politics.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 01:50pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 13th Aug 2013, 01:35pm) *
if I , as you say "made it up" then that is a back handed way of calling someone a liar isn't it? The reason I stopped posting on that other forum, the SNP one was because I was sick and tired at your attempts at cyber bullying which you should know is now illegal, I have on the other hand posted comments on other Glasgow Guide Forums throughout the "6 Months", I just stopped posting on Bigoted Forums.


Is J K Rowling a liar because she makes stories up?

If you have proof of me Cyber bullying then gather your evidence and report me to the moderator.

If you do not, then i think people will draw their own conclusions on who is telling the truth and who is not.

Don't run away, make a stand against bullying.

I eagerly await you producing your evidence, perhaps you could call Dylan as your first witness, as i gave him the same challenge some time ago and i am still waiting for a response.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 01:51pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 13th Aug 2013, 01:39pm) *
OK. Let's just wrap this up. Billy Connolly should not enter politics.


Definitely not tongue.gif

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 13th Aug 2013, 02:33pm

I hope Connolly`s happy now what with all the trouble he`s started!!!

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Posted by: Dylan 13th Aug 2013, 03:44pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 13th Aug 2013, 01:35pm) *
if I , as you say "made it up" then that is a back handed way of calling someone a liar isn't it? The reason I stopped posting on that other forum, the SNP one was because I was sick and tired at your attempts at cyber bullying which you should know is now illegal, I have on the other hand posted comments on other Glasgow Guide Forums throughout the "6 Months", I just stopped posting on Bigoted Forums.



I stopped Posting on the SNP Independence Thread for the same reasons and we are not alone but it spills over to any Thread where they can make Political Capital. !!.

Soon there will be no " Neutral Threads " to Post on tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 05:19pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 13th Aug 2013, 03:42pm) *
I stopped Posting on the SNP Independence Thread for the same reasons and we are not alone but it spills over to any Thread where they can make Political Capital. !!.

Soon there will be no " Neutral Threads " to Post on tongue.gif


The only reason you stopped posting on the independence threads was because apart from a unhealthy hatred of all things SNP you had no argument to put up for retaining Westminster rule, and like i told your unionist pal as i have told you before take your evidence of my bullying to the moderator or admit your accusations against me are false.

Stop making false accusations up on other threads if you wish them to remain neutral.

Posted by: droschke7 13th Aug 2013, 06:06pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Aug 2013, 06:17pm) *
The only reason you stopped posting on the independence threads was because apart from a unhealthy hatred of all things SNP you had no argument to put up for retaining Westminster rule, and like i told your unionist pal as i have told you before take your evidence of my bullying to the moderator or admit your accusations against me are false.

Stop making false accusations up on other threads if you wish them to remain neutral.


Anyone who sees your posts realises that you are just trying to Bulldoze your way through the opposition, shouting the loudest doesn't make you right, making comments about people who disagree doesn't make you right and come to that I haven't seen any viable arguments from you supporting the SNP without using the SNP's propaganda, it's like trying to prove that Christians are right and God exist by using the Bible as evidence. Alex Salmond changes his mind every 5 minutes, first he said Scotland would stay part of the EU and then(in the speech he made to the Brookings institute,) he said it would take until 2016 to renegotiate Scotland's entry into the EU, see the link I posted earlier about the Brookings institute. All this has nothing to do with Billy Connolly so please stop Hi Jacking the threads and stay on subject. Thank You.

Posted by: Dylan 13th Aug 2013, 06:10pm

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Posted by: Betsy2009 13th Aug 2013, 06:29pm

"Funny that comment was to JAGZ not to anyone else, or is this just another JAGZ ID?"

Droschke7 - I wasn't too happy with that comment because I would like to hear more reasons for a No vote to get a more balanced view and I thought I was asking you for information quite politely. Please respond in kind.

Jagz - don't say a word!!!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 06:31pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 13th Aug 2013, 06:04pm) *
Anyone who sees your posts realises that you are just trying to Bulldoze your way through the opposition,

shouting the loudest doesn't make you right, making comments about people who disagree doesn't make you right and come to that I haven't seen any viable arguments from you supporting the SNP without using the SNP's propaganda, it's like trying to prove that Christians are right and God exist by using the Bible as evidence.

All this has nothing to do with Billy Connolly so please stop Hi Jacking the threads and stay on subject. Thank You.


I haven't shouted at all, neither have i bulldozed my way through anything.

What comments have i made to people who disagree with me?

Do you mean my reply to you when you called me a SNP minion?

What SNP propaganda have i spouted?

Unlike you i can put up a good argument for something i believe in without any outside help.

Who was it who posted 10 links to external sites to try to make a point?

I will agree with you about the hijacking of this thread as it was your post #161 that introduced the SNP to the debate taking it off topic, so please stop Hi Jacking the threads and stay on subject. Thank You.

Posted by: Dylan 13th Aug 2013, 06:32pm

"Funny that comment was to JAGZ not to anyone else, or is this just another JAGZ ID?"


Are you hinting I should not have commented on the comment you have now commented on --again ?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 06:38pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 13th Aug 2013, 06:08pm) *
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I'll take that as an admission that you cannot produce a shred of evidence against me to back up your false bullying claim against me.

And lay of Betsy, she wasn't talking to you.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 06:39pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 13th Aug 2013, 06:27pm) *
Jagz - don't say a word!!!


As if tongue.gif

Posted by: Betsy2009 13th Aug 2013, 06:47pm

Thank you Jagz.

Posted by: Dylan 13th Aug 2013, 06:53pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Aug 2013, 06:36pm) *
I'll take that as an admission that you cannot produce a shred of evidence against me to back up your false bullying claim against me.

And lay of Betsy, she wasn't talking to you.



You just don't get it.

The evidence is in your Posts.!!

All opposition have left Thread.

You talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: Dylan 13th Aug 2013, 06:56pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Aug 2013, 06:36pm) *
I'll take that as an admission that you cannot produce a shred of evidence against me to back up your false bullying claim against me.

And lay of Betsy, she wasn't talking to you.



I am pleased to learn this .

Apologies to Betsy. !

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 08:04pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 13th Aug 2013, 06:51pm) *
You just don't get it.

The evidence is in your Posts.!!

All opposition have left Thread.

You talk amongst yourselves.



Right all the opposition have gone we can get this party started, i've brought the beer and a couple of bottles of Babycham and a bottle Advocaat for the lassies tongue.gif bilbo's bringing the Wine and paella, wee davy's bringing the spirits, Serabash and Betsy have got the sandwiches and nibbles covered, i think Ruchazie Rat and Purplefan are going to the dancing first to try and bring back some burdz, John mcm bringing his Lp's, i think that's just about everybody.

Ps, has anybody else seen Dylan's evidence in my posts?

Posted by: Dylan 13th Aug 2013, 08:18pm

No SNP member ever criticises another SNP member regardless of how obnoxious or rude they are .

The others don't Post !!!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Aug 2013, 08:28pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 13th Aug 2013, 08:16pm) *
No SNP member ever criticises another SNP member regardless of how obnoxious or rude they are .

The others don't Post !!!


I thought you had left?

You seem to know a lot about the working of the SNP's membership, and who are these others?

Posted by: carmella 14th Aug 2013, 09:48pm

I thought I'd come into the wrong thread. I was curious to see what this 'Billy Connelly' thread was about as I must have missed it before.

Here I find you at logger heads over the SNP (and each other), even if this thread was about the self governing of Scotland or the SNP, you don't have to be a member of the SNP to want or not want Scottish Independence.

For the benefit of equilibrium, fun, peace and happiness, and ease of keeping up with some very interesting topics, can we get back to the discussion.

Erm, where was I, see now I've forgot what I was reading and what this thread's about. But, thanks for cheering me up, was feeling a tad down tonight, till I read this page and the previous one.

Jagz must be an OK guy cause Beith is a nice wee place, full of nice folk (mind you, I could only eat half of one, too much grizzle). I've been there often.

Posted by: Betsy2009 14th Aug 2013, 10:14pm

Yes - BC should become a politician - in whatever country he lives in, particularly with Pamela backing him. In Scotland, however, no he shouldn't.

There - back on the topic again.

Posted by: carmella 14th Aug 2013, 10:47pm

I think he spends quite a bit of time living in Scotland at least more than he used to. I like him and I like Pamela.

In general, I have a problem with celebrities having such a big say, I talk of Sean Connery too, who doesn't live here and hasn't for years, spouting out about our affairs too. If they've got such a vested interest after being away for many years, then let them come and live here for at least six months of the year - ocht don't get me started.


Posted by: Betsy2009 14th Aug 2013, 11:30pm

I like them too, carmella, but I think they should stick to their day jobs, particularly as they're quite good at them.
Sean Connery? Imagine him actually paying taxes in Scotland? Nah! He just wants to be King of Scotland.

Posted by: carmella 15th Aug 2013, 07:45am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 15th Aug 2013, 12:28am) *
I like them too, carmella, but I think they should stick to their day jobs, particularly as they're quite good at them.
Sean Connery? Imagine him actually paying taxes in Scotland? Nah! He just wants to be King of Scotland.


Couldn't have put it better myself. You're right, they're all good at what they do, so that's where they should stick.

Posted by: droschke7 15th Aug 2013, 01:41pm

Let's face it, we already have to many "Comedians" in the Scottish Parliament. Billy should "Stick to his day Job"

Posted by: john.mcn 15th Aug 2013, 04:45pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 15th Aug 2013, 01:39pm) *
Let's face it, we already have to many "Comedians" in the Scottish Parliament. Billy should "Stick to his day Job"



At least they are in opposition now wink.gif

Posted by: Purplefan 17th Aug 2013, 11:50am

I think a more apt comedian would be Frankie Boyle.
I'd vote him to be president of scotland!

he tells it like it is.

Posted by: GG 1st Mar 2014, 06:17pm

QUOTE (GG @ 25th Sep 2011, 09:27pm) *
Billy Connolly, the man who famously encouraged people not to vote for politicians "because it only encouraged them", has been touted as a future leader of the unionist campaign to keep Scotland in the United Kingdom. Such a move would mean that the former Govan shipyard worker would front a campaign supporting one of the main Scottish policy objectives of the Tory Party. ...


GG.

Billy listened to us! wink.gif

QUOTE
I don't want to influence Scottish vote, says Connolly

Billy Connolly has revealed he will not be voting in the independence referendum, describing the debate around it as a "morass that I care not to dip my toe into".

The 71-year-old star said he did not want to get involved in the debate as he did not want to influence anybody.

He was speaking to the BBC News Channel from New York, about reading some of Seamus Heaney's final works for a new animated series, when he was asked about Scottish independence.

He said: "I try to keep away out of it, I don't want to be an influence in it, I don't want to influence anybody.

"A lot of people take your word like it's spun gold as if there's some sense to it, I don't want to influence anybody so I shut up.

"I think the Scots will come to a good conclusion in the referendum, they'll get what they deserve." [...]

Full story here:
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/i-dont-want-to-influence-scottish-vote-says-connolly-30018138.html

GG.

Posted by: carmella 1st Mar 2014, 10:26pm

I'm afraid I don't get Frankie Boyle, I think he's crude and obnoxious, so I've never found him to be funny at all.

Sorry purple - we're all entitled. If he was ever remotely to be President of Scotland I'd emigrate for sure.

Posted by: Lydya Bhinn 2nd Mar 2014, 03:38am

A multi millionaire toraidgh comedian running the country!

Nothing new about that.

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 3rd Mar 2014, 04:19pm

I remember Connolly being interviewed in The Herald weekend mag in summer/autumn 2012 and he said Scotland was a wee parochial country. It shouldn`t get ideas above itself.

Maybe he`s scared his big fancy castle, the one he jets in Hollywood flunkies like Steve Martin and Robin Williams to for his estate`s August Highland Games, will be asked to contribute a bit more to the pot come independence...

Posted by: Mathieson 3rd Mar 2014, 11:23pm

In his comedic heyday there was no-one could touch The Big Yin, his routine built on pinpoint and quite brilliant observational skills.

It seems he's still retained a fair degree of that to this day.....

http://s227.photobucket.com/user/arcadia_012/media/bigyin-no_zps9d2eda77.jpg.html

Posted by: Guvin Wullie 4th Mar 2014, 01:43am

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 3rd Mar 2014, 04:36pm) *
I remember Connolly being interviewed in The Herald weekend mag in summer/autumn 2012 and he said Scotland was a wee parochial country. It shouldn`t get ideas above itself.

Maybe he`s scared his big fancy castle, the one he jets in Hollywood flunkies like Steve Martin and Robin Williams to for his estate`s August Highland Games, will be asked to contribute a bit more to the pot come independence...

Like that other "grate" Scot SIR Shawn Connery, Connely is holding out for that tap on the shoulder from her royal britanic majisty of royal england's sword, so that he too can join the ranks of once working class heroes, now chanpions of the toraidgh establishment. His title will be Sir Billy "Laird o' Cockpen"

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 4th Mar 2014, 04:27pm

Doesn`t the very definition of the word "Nationalist" imply the people of a land are that land and, as such, they do, in a manner of speaking, "own the place"?

But what does Connolly know about that? He`s BOUGHT his little countryside castle well away from the riff-raff who supported him for decades and can be glimpsed in the tabloids once-in-a-while playing the Lord Of The Manner routine to his showbiz luvvy pals. Both national ones and international.

Clearly, he`s chosen to forget where he came from. All made possible only by his good fortune in stumbling into the wonderful (but vastly overpaid-underworked) world of "showbiz".

Maybe someone should point that out to him once in a while.

And, for a man who claims to be abstaining from exerting any "influence" on OUR referendum, (not "his" referendum, cos his ass is parked in LA most of the time these days), his snide jibe at the Scots is clearly a dig at the SNP too and, as such, he IS exerting an influence on the referendum.

(P.S. his glory days are well behind him. They petered out around the turn of the last century).

Posted by: john.mcn 4th Mar 2014, 05:59pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 3rd Mar 2014, 11:40pm) *
In his comedic heyday there was no-one could touch The Big Yin, his routine built on pinpoint and quite brilliant observational skills.

It seems he's still retained a fair degree of that to this day.....

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 27th Sep 2011, 10:35pm) *
How do you make that out? Any time I hear him mentioning Scotland or the Scots he's running us down!

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Posted by: john.mcn 4th Mar 2014, 06:04pm

"I've always remembered that I have a lot more in common with a welder from Liverpool than I do with someone with an agricultural background from the Highlands, although I do love them"


He might think that, but ask a welder from Liverpool if he thinks he has a lot in common with a millionaire mansion owning celebrity and you can guess the reply.

Saying that i do think Billy Connolly was brilliant 20 years ago, my dad hated him though as he was of the opinion he gained success off ridiculing Glaswegians.

Posted by: carmella 4th Mar 2014, 07:12pm

I didn't like Billy when he was first on the scene, I happily admit, but in his latter years, I loved him and you bet he made me laugh.

I have a much bigger problem in fact with the great Sean Connory, living as he has done for years abroad, and in the States and NOT living here, yet spouting how great it is for us to be separate from the rest of the UK - oh yeah! Right Seany if it's that great get yourself back here!!!

Posted by: Mathieson 4th Mar 2014, 07:30pm

The Big Yin was the funniest around in his day but lost his way when he turned into the type of guy he used to slate.
However, credit where credit's due, he evidently still has some gumption about him. thumbup.gif

... but for God's sake don't criticise absentee yes campaign commentators like Shur Sean who love Scotland so much they refuse to live here.
They get mighty annoyed! laugh.gif

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 4th Mar 2014, 07:35pm

You might want to check out his book, "Being A Scot", Carmella. This is less a luvvy autobiog and belongs more in the "history" section in the library. Regardless of where he now lives, he certainly knows very well the history of where he came from. Unlike that other internationally know Scot mentioned in this topic.

A true star. Yes. A great actor. Yes. But you raise a very good point. His "Sermons From Far Off Sunkissed Lands" piss me off too. In all fairness, however, has kept his trap shut in public concerning Scottish independence in recent years.

Posted by: john.mcn 4th Mar 2014, 08:22pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 4th Mar 2014, 07:47pm) *
The Big Yin was the funniest around in his day but lost his way when he turned into the type of guy he used to slate.
However, credit where credit's due, he evidently still has some gumption about him. thumbup.gif

... but for God's sake don't criticise absentee yes campaign commentators like Shur Sean who love Scotland so much they refuse to live here.
They get mighty annoyed! laugh.gif

I think once they do 'an audience with' where all the audience are fellow 'celebs' you know it's going downhill.
I'm sure my da liked him in his early days because i do remember some of Billys LP's in his collection, though he also had Andy Cameron at the Rangers club one too so who knows what he thought funny biggrin.gif

You know your last point could be said about pretty much any exp pat, celeb or not, if they can voice their opinion here then i think Connery who i'm sure has done great things for the country, is entitled to his too.

Posted by: Mathieson 4th Mar 2014, 08:30pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 4th Mar 2014, 08:39pm) *
You know your last point could be said about pretty much any exp pat, celeb or not....

Yeah, ah know! clap.gif

Posted by: Dylan 4th Mar 2014, 08:45pm

I remember Connolly saying in his early days.

" I come to bury Lauder, not to praise him "

Now he dresses and marches about like him. !


Should he enter Politics ? No as he is a big ejit.

Posted by: Guvin Billy 5th Mar 2014, 12:53am

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 4th Mar 2014, 07:52pm) *
You might want to check out his book, "Being A Scot", Carmella. This is less a luvvy autobiog and belongs more in the "history" section in the library. Regardless of where he now lives, he certainly knows very well the history of where he came from. Unlike that other internationally know Scot mentioned in this topic.

A true star. Yes. A great actor. Yes. But you raise a very good point. His "Sermons From Far Off Sunkissed Lands" piss me off too. In all fairness, however, has kept his trap shut in public concerning Scottish independence in recent years.

I don't like dealing in anecdotes, but I knew Billy Connolly quite well at one time. I worked near him in the "yards" and saw him on a daily basis there. I knew him when he first started making a name for himself in the folk scene in the 60s. He also went to the same school as I did. The last time I saw him was at his first wedding reception in the Scotia. Prior to leaving Scotland I was at the late great Danny Kyle's house in Paisley. We were talking about "old times" and I happened to mention Billy Connolly to him as I first met B.C. through Danny and he was also at the wedding prior to this. When I asked him about Billy he became very sad and told me that he was not the Billy we once knew. He told me he no longer even spoke to his old friends and those who were so supportive of him in the past. It took him only two short years to accomplish this about face after becoming a star, if only a minor one at this stage of the game. He became more and more distant and disparaging of the Glasgow and the people who made him what he was.

His arrogance since then has grown out of all proportion. He is an absentee Highland Laird with all the historical connotations that title implies.

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 5th Mar 2014, 04:51pm

The only reason him, and other absentee ex-pat Scots, are bleating about an independent Scotland is that he might be asked to dip into his huge pockets and pay a little bit more in tax for his big sprawling estate and eyesore castle.

Boo hoo! 5 million Scots decision over self-government should take a back seat to some tenapenny overpaid-underworked showbiz bubblehead.

And I`ll bet he only stays the proscribed 90 days a year here so he can pay as little tax as possible.

By the way, I recall he was stitched up in a 2 page Sunday Mail feature back around summer 90 blowing the gaff on his company being registered in Jersey/Isle Of Man so he could get away with stumping up little or no tax.

Posted by: Mathieson 5th Mar 2014, 06:57pm

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 5th Mar 2014, 05:08pm) *
The only reason him, and other absentee ex-pat Scots, are bleating about an independent Scotland is that he might be asked to dip into his huge pockets and pay a little bit more in tax for his big sprawling estate and eyesore castle.

He's not alone.
We may not all have castles but we'll all be paying more in tax if independence was to happen.

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 5th Mar 2014, 08:15pm

Perhaps the possibility you mention could be offset by knowing that it would go towards helping the needy and the desperate, (those currently living on the streets and crowding out foodbanks), thus creating a more compassionate and socially just Scotland.

Would that, therefore, be a bad thing?

Or would you prefer the tax rises/new taxes created by the coalition continue to be given to bankers and city traders as TAX CUTS to squander on magnums of Bolinger and silver trays of caviar?

If the Connolly`s of this world prefer that, swap their Scottish castles for castles down south.

"Living up a close" my arse!
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Posted by: ktv 5th Mar 2014, 09:56pm

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 5th Mar 2014, 08:32pm) *
Perhaps the possibility you mention could be offset by knowing that it would go towards helping the needy and the desperate, (those currently living on the streets and crowding out foodbanks), thus creating a more compassionate and socially just Scotland.

Would that, therefore, be a bad thing?

Or would you prefer the tax rises/new taxes created by the coalition continue to be given to bankers and city traders as TAX CUTS to squander on magnums of Bolinger and silver trays of caviar?

If the Connolly`s of this world prefer that, swap their Scottish castles for castles down south.

"Living up a close" my arse!


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Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th Mar 2014, 12:02am

Never mind the Big Yin ... Should Lady Alba enter politics? tongue.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SvdecwnYJ4&=1

Posted by: mlconnelly 6th Mar 2014, 09:55am

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 6th Mar 2014, 11:08am

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 5th Mar 2014, 08:32pm) *
Perhaps the possibility you mention could be offset by knowing that it would go towards helping the needy and the desperate, (those currently living on the streets and crowding out foodbanks), thus creating a more compassionate and socially just Scotland.

Would that, therefore, be a bad thing?

Or would you prefer the tax rises/new taxes created by the coalition continue to be given to bankers and city traders as TAX CUTS to squander on magnums of Bolinger and silver trays of caviar?

If the Connolly`s of this world prefer that, swap their Scottish castles for castles down south.

"Living up a close" my arse!

Don't know about you but I have paid my fair share of taxes since I started work many moons ago and continue to do so now.
I have no desire to pay more to cover Salmond's grand plan (be it to line the pockets of castle-dwellers or those on benefits).
I am sure he personally can more than afford to pay an extra few bob though. smile.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 6th Mar 2014, 12:31pm

I'm in the same boat mathi, but i dont want our taxes to go towards WMD, invading sovereign nations or keeping politicians flush with with nice expense accounts.
I know the latter also applies to Holyrood, but if we need cars for work and we cant claim the expense back on taxes (friggin 10vat every time i fuel up), then i dont see why they should claim expenses going to and fro from their fixed place of work, parliament or constituency offices.

Posted by: Guvin Wullie 7th Mar 2014, 03:04am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 6th Mar 2014, 12:48pm) *
I'm in the same boat mathi, but i dont want our taxes to go towards WMD, invading sovereign nations or keeping politicians flush with with nice expense accounts.
I know the latter also applies to Holyrood, but if we need cars for work and we cant claim the expense back on taxes (friggin 10vat every time i fuel up), then i dont see why they should claim expenses going to and fro from their fixed place of work, parliament or constituency offices.

Surely you don't expect the chosen of this earth to pay their way as is the case of the "Lumpen Proleteriate". You are speaking here of those who have been by devine providence elevated to the status of deities in their own reckoning. You are speaking of ( here genuflect ) of selfless Westminster Politicians.

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 7th Mar 2014, 04:25pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 6th Mar 2014, 11:25am) *
Don't know about you but I have paid my fair share of taxes since I started work many moons ago and continue to do so now.
I have no desire to pay more to cover Salmond's grand plan (be it to line the pockets of castle-dwellers or those on benefits).
I am sure he personally can more than afford to pay an extra few bob though. smile.gif


And if the likes of Connolly started paying their fair whack in accordance to what they can afford, the rest of us wouldn`t necessarily have to compensate for it by making up what could be termed "The Connolly Deficit". (P.S. I`m copyrighting that term).

Are you planning to get around to discussing my mention of Connolly`s production company being registered with Jersey/Isle Of Man since 1990 so as to pay little/no taxes? (Just like he does with his castle`s Council Tax, thanks to Thatcher/Blair/Cameron).

By the way, I don`t see how "favouring" entrepreneurs like him with these freebies generates wealth in return. What real tangible economic benefits does an on-off stand-up comedian bring aside from obvious ticket sales? Where`s the service/support industries catering for that. Well, maybe there`s the odd Cayman Islands Tax Consultant....

Posted by: Mathieson 7th Mar 2014, 10:05pm

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 7th Mar 2014, 04:42pm) *
And if the likes of Connolly started paying their fair whack in accordance to what they can afford, the rest of us wouldn`t necessarily have to compensate for it by making up what could be termed "The Connolly Deficit". (P.S. I`m copyrighting that term).

Are you planning to get around to discussing my mention of Connolly`s production company being registered with Jersey/Isle Of Man since 1990 so as to pay little/no taxes? (Just like he does with his castle`s Council Tax, thanks to Thatcher/Blair/Cameron).

By the way, I don`t see how "favouring" entrepreneurs like him with these freebies generates wealth in return. What real tangible economic benefits does an on-off stand-up comedian bring aside from obvious ticket sales? Where`s the service/support industries catering for that. Well, maybe there`s the odd Cayman Islands Tax Consultant....

'Fraid not mate. In truth I couldn't give a tuppeny damn for Connolly's production company any more than I care one iota for Shur Sean Connery wittering on about independence for the country he loves so much he refuses to live here.
Some more truth : I never read where you said that. Your posts tend to go on forever and I only have so much spare time of a day. biggrin.gif
Just liked the Big Yin's comment as it summed up the situation re nats thinking they owned the country pretty perfectly. thumbup.gif

Posted by: wombat 8th Mar 2014, 01:03am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 7th Mar 2014, 11:22pm) *
'Fraid not mate. In truth I couldn't give a tuppeny damn for Connolly's production company any more than I care one iota for Shur Sean Connery wittering on about independence for the country he loves so much he refuses to live here.

rolleyes.gif therrs merr money in US that's why thumbup.gif

and its shur shawn if yie don't mind

Posted by: Mathieson 8th Mar 2014, 08:31am

Och wombat, it appears last week's fleeting grasp of the 'quote' facility has deserted you once again mate.
Never mind, there's always your 'funny' pictures! thumbup.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th Mar 2014, 10:14am

Never mind wombat, he's just a big bully laugh.gif

And Shur Shawn like many others who have left has said he will move back after independence so their tax money benefits Scotland and not Westminster.

Posted by: bilbo.s 8th Mar 2014, 10:21am

Aye Wombat, jist ignore thae sarky cyberbritpratz ! thumbup.gif

Posted by: carmella 8th Mar 2014, 11:07pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 8th Mar 2014, 10:31am) *
Never mind wombat, he's just a big bully laugh.gif

And Shur Shawn like many others who have left has said he will move back after independence so their tax money benefits Scotland and not Westminster.

Oh now that will be very interesting, we will have a massive influx of stars returning to Scotland so as to 'help' our finances - right!!

Jagz, I don't doubt your sincerity in the slightest, but I don't think the return of the masses is on the cards - whatever the outcome of the voting this year.

Funny how Shir Shawn and the others have a lot of houses, apartments, yet none here in Scotland, at least if they did, they would have been able to give employment to people to look after their homes in Scotland while they were not being used. I think we can all see where this is going.

Posted by: Gallusbisom 9th Mar 2014, 05:39am

Right on again, Carmella.


Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Mar 2014, 09:07am

QUOTE (carmella @ 8th Mar 2014, 11:24pm) *
Jagz, I don't doubt your sincerity in the slightest, but I don't think the return of the masses is on the cards - whatever the outcome of the voting this year.

Well there certainly won't if there is a NO vote, the opposite will be the case, if i was young enough i would be off myself.

As for a return after a YES vote, only time will tell.

Posted by: carmella 9th Mar 2014, 10:55pm

I wish I had your optimism!!

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Mar 2014, 03:22pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 8th Mar 2014, 11:24pm) *
Oh now that will be very interesting, we will have a massive influx of stars returning to Scotland so as to 'help' our finances - right!!

It's all very well the "big stars" being wooed back (personally, I'll believe it when I see it) if Salmond was to pave the way with tax breaks for them but I'm pretty sure the rest of us will not be so lucky.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th Mar 2014, 04:40pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 10th Mar 2014, 03:39pm) *
It's all very well the "big stars" being wooed back (personally, I'll believe it when I see it) if Salmond was to pave the way with tax breaks for them but I'm pretty sure the rest of us will not be so lucky.

I would imagine we wouldn't be paying anymore income tax than we are at the moment, maybe even less, but regardless, we would know that our taxes are staying in Scotland for the benefit our own needs.

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Mar 2014, 09:01pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 10th Mar 2014, 04:57pm) *
I would imagine we wouldn't be paying anymore income tax than we are at the moment, maybe even less, but regardless, we would know that our taxes are staying in Scotland for the benefit our own needs.

Yeah, you would imagine. You imagine rather a lot. yes.gif

Meanwhile in the real world......

Posted by: wombat 10th Mar 2014, 09:14pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif


 

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Mar 2014, 09:26pm

You most probably believe that is the real world! laugh.gif

Posted by: wombat 10th Mar 2014, 09:34pm

rolleyes.gif you heroe's huh? tongue.gif yes.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Mar 2014, 10:17pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 10th Mar 2014, 09:51pm) *
rolleyes.gif you heroe's huh?


Eh whit? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: wellfield 10th Mar 2014, 10:56pm

I see 'Billy' just started his tour over here,he was doing a show in Los Angeles this weekend to kick it off!....he's completely recovered from his prostrate surgery and his Parkinsons is under control...Good Luck on your tour Billy!

Posted by: angel 11th Mar 2014, 12:58am

I too wish him well and hopefully good health .
and plenty working years ahead . smile.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Mar 2014, 09:01am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 10th Mar 2014, 09:18pm) *
Meanwhile in the real world......

220,000 Scots children living below the poverty line, food banks, 1.3 trillion national debt, not one penny put away in an oil fund that every other oil producing country has had the sense to do for, Westminster prefers to pay for the costs of privatisations, tax-cuts to the wealthy, London's sewer HS2, HoC renovations, Boris island, Trident and it's next generation, and a countless other vanity projects that an independent Scotland would neither need nor want.

That is the real world we live in at the moment, but we can change all that for Scotland's benefit with a single X on a piece of paper.

Posted by: carmella 11th Mar 2014, 03:39pm

JAGZ do you honestly believe things will change overnight with the 'x' in the box?

I wish I could believe what you're saying, but I hay ma doobts!!

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 11th Mar 2014, 03:52pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 11th Mar 2014, 03:56pm) *
JAGZ do you honestly believe things will change overnight with the 'x' in the box?

I wish I could believe what you're saying, but I hay ma doobts!!

I don`t believe he said anything about "overnight", Carmella. Yes, we will make mistakes at the outset. And learn from them. Unlike our current powers-that-be who "cater" for our needs. At least, this way, we will be close to our new politico overlords. They won`t be way down the other side of the country. And that, I guarantee, will ensure that they think twice before trying it on.

Note "our new politico overlords". New faces. Not old re-invented clapped-out old Unionist hangers-on desperate to cling to something because they know there`s no place for them down south.

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 11th Mar 2014, 04:02pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 7th Mar 2014, 10:22pm) *
'Fraid not mate. In truth I couldn't give a tuppeny damn for Connolly's production company any more than I care one iota for Shur Sean Connery wittering on about independence for the country he loves so much he refuses to live here.

I see. As said point might tip Connolly off his pedestal, you choose to ignore it. Fair enough.

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 7th Mar 2014, 10:22pm) *
Just liked the Big Yin's comment as it summed up the situation re nats thinking they owned the country pretty perfectly. thumbup.gif

Like I said, does he mean SNP by "nats"? If so, let him come out and say so. That being the case, maybe he should contact his old shipyard workmates and find out if any voted for the SNP last time round. And, if they did, are they satisfied? At least this way, he could have some vague insight into contemporary Scottish politics. He ain`t getting that hanging around LA, Oz and Notting Hill, now is he? Oh, I forgot. He`s washed his hands of his "ain folk" now he`s The Big Yin PLC. But... that doesn`t stop him building an entire career out of dining out on taking the piss out of us living it large to his Sarf Landan luvvy mates, does it?

On the other hand, maybe he means us, the ordinary "Scots", who, just like Unionists are perfectly entitled to OUR independence viewpoint, when he says "nats think they own the place"? If so, well, that reinforces my point above.

Posted by: wellfield 12th Mar 2014, 12:32am

I often wonder why the likes of Billy Connolly and Sean Connery's names are brought up whenever Scottish politics are mentioned,they and 100's of other celebrity's that have left Scotland have no intention of ever moving back to their native homeland...as the old saying goes "How'ya gonna' keep'em down on the farm" after they've seen (fill in the blanks)

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Mar 2014, 10:11am

QUOTE (carmella @ 11th Mar 2014, 03:56pm) *
JAGZ do you honestly believe things will change overnight with the 'x' in the box?

I wish I could believe what you're saying, but I hay ma doobts!!

No I don't carmella, but we will leave our next generation a far better and fairer Scotland than we would have under the union.

Do you honestly think Scotland will improve under the union?

Posted by: Mathieson 12th Mar 2014, 12:40pm

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 11th Mar 2014, 04:09pm) *
Note "our new politico overlords". New faces. Not old re-invented clapped-out old Unionist hangers-on desperate to cling to something because they know there`s no place for them down south.

Like Nicola Sturgeon who took part in a live TV debate and proceeded to screech and wail like a moronic stair-heid ned from start to finish?

Like Joan McAlpine who used Holyrood expenses to pay for a holiday for her married boyfriend, his cuckolded wife and their kids, then tried to cover up the fact and even tried to use the threat of legal action to shut the wife up?

Like Kenny MacAskill who is making a pig's ear of the country's justice system in general and the Abdelbaset al-Megrahi case and the SNP's very own cack-handed anti-sectarianism legislation in particular?

Or even old Shrek Salmond himself who ignores all dissenting comment and maintains that he alone is right - because he said so?

Yeah, bring on the new faces I must say....
Geeza brek! laugh.gif

Posted by: ktv 12th Mar 2014, 01:18pm


well at least they can string a sentence together

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Posted by: Mathieson 12th Mar 2014, 03:04pm

QUOTE (ktv @ 12th Mar 2014, 01:35pm) *
well at least they can string a sentence together

The irony within that "sentence" most probably escapes you. laugh.gif

It's no wonder the woman is astonished. After listening to Shrek and Co we are all astonished! yes.gif

Posted by: ktv 12th Mar 2014, 03:56pm

Only the ones who either don't understand the issues or refuse to answer the questions are astonished.

The scared of doing things for themselves down to a tee then.


Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 12th Mar 2014, 04:58pm

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 11th Mar 2014, 04:09pm) *
I don`t believe he said anything about "overnight", Carmella. Yes, we will make mistakes at the outset. And learn from them. Unlike our current powers-that-be who "cater" for our needs. At least, this way, we will be close to our new politico overlords. They won`t be way down the other side of the country. And that, I guarantee, will ensure that they think twice before trying it on.

Note "our new politico overlords". New faces. Not old re-invented clapped-out old Unionist hangers-on desperate to cling to something because they know there`s no place for them down south.

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 12th Mar 2014, 12:57pm) *
Like Nicola Sturgeon who took part in a live TV debate and proceeded to screech and wail like a moronic stair-heid ned from start to finish?

Like Joan McAlpine who used Holyrood expenses to pay for a holiday for her married boyfriend, his cuckolded wife and their kids, then tried to cover up the fact and even tried to use the threat of legal action to shut the wife up?

Like Kenny MacAskill who is making a pig's ear of the country's justice system in general and the Abdelbaset al-Megrahi case and the SNP's very own cack-handed anti-sectarianism legislation in particular?

Or even old Shrek Salmond himself who ignores all dissenting comment and maintains that he alone is right - because he said so?

Yeah, bring on the new faces I must say....
Geeza brek! laugh.gif

I believe I`ve made perfectly clear on several occasions I consider Salmond and the SNP to be part of our problems. Why? Well, as I`ve also pointed out, they`ve ran alongside the Unionist parties for so long, they`ve become a mere reaction to them and, on so doing, have lost their own identity.

Likewise, you keep implying that a vote for independence is a vote for the SNP to then automatically govern the country henceforth and in perpetuity. Cobblers. As anyone who can be bothered thinking realises, the SNP will continue after a yes vote. But, come March 2016, the first truly free Scottish elections, the SNP will have to enter the fray alongside any and all parties on our political landscape.

Among those will be new parties, the SNP and, of course, all the "old re-invented clapped-out Unionist hangers-on desperate to cling to something because they know there`s no place for them down south".

Posted by: GG 12th Mar 2014, 09:08pm

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Sorry, but we can't have discussions running off-topic and onto purely referendum issues. This one is about Billy Connolly. In the news today ... he's bowed out of the independence debate, but he is stepping forward as a budding artist with an exhibition in Glasgow starting this week:

Billy Connolly Exhibition | Castle Galleries, Glasgow
15/03/14 - 30/03/14 http://www.castlegalleries.com/artists/billy-connolly#collection.

GG.


 

Posted by: wombat 12th Mar 2014, 09:37pm

tongue.gif congratulations billy,thats the best sketch of a cameldughorse ive ever seen laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 12th Mar 2014, 10:43pm

Is Billys new catchphrase 'can you tell what it is yet'

aye, crap!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 12th Mar 2014, 11:52pm

Well done Big yin: if my Pension ran to it I'd have And on Monday ... biggrin.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 12th Mar 2014, 11:53pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 13th Mar 2014, 12:00am) *
... aye, crap!

Pearls before swine tongue.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 12th Mar 2014, 11:57pm

QUOTE (ktv @ 12th Mar 2014, 05:13pm) *
... down to a tee then.

... and that's gettin' down some rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Ruchazie Rat 13th Mar 2014, 03:37pm


Is it a self-portrait? Is he saying he`s a horse`s arse?
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Posted by: john.mcn 13th Mar 2014, 06:18pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 13th Mar 2014, 12:10am) *
Pearls before swine tongue.gif

Well if it looks like crap, smells like crap, it usually is crap wink.gif

What is it with 'celebs', once they get a bit of cash and public recognition they think they can become an 'arteest'.. Back in school that ones who drew like that failed the art exam, there's nothing wrong with not being able to draw, i'm sure Michelangelo was probably as funny as a heart attack but i dont recall reading about him ever 'finding himself' and headlining at the comedy club circuit back in the dark ages wink.gif

Posted by: angel 13th Mar 2014, 06:51pm

but do we really know what truly happened in the dark ages .

If you don't like the Artist , then don't visit his shows,

Posted by: john.mcn 13th Mar 2014, 07:51pm

I'll try not to angle, i might take a rubber and pencil with me to finish it for him.


Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Mar 2014, 07:57pm

QUOTE (angel @ 13th Mar 2014, 07:08pm) *
but do we really know what truly happened in the dark ages .


Perhaps you could shine some light on it? laugh.gif

Posted by: Guvin Wullie 14th Mar 2014, 04:50am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 12th Mar 2014, 11:00pm) *
Is Billys new catchphrase 'can you tell what it is yet'

aye, crap!

Haud oan ra noo rare chinnar! huv the genuwine criticts hud their say yit. This could be the makins o' a Calardonian Michael Angelo. Or a new re in carnation of Scotlands greatest artist Bud Neil.

Posted by: Mathieson 14th Mar 2014, 10:35am

QUOTE (Guvin Wullie @ 14th Mar 2014, 05:07am) *
Haud oan ra noo rare chinnar! huv the genuwine criticts hud their say yit. This could be the makins o' a Calardonian Michael Angelo. Or a new re in carnation of Scotlands greatest artist Bud Neil.

You are quite right Wullie, all this dismissive talk reeks of the "I ken't his faither" syndrome that we Scots (or wee Scots) are prone to spouting when envious of others.
Why shouldn't The Big Yin try his hand at art? thumbup.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 14th Mar 2014, 04:26pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 14th Mar 2014, 10:52am) *
Why shouldn't The Big Yin try his hand at art? thumbup.gif

Coz he canny draw tongue.gif

Posted by: wellfield 14th Mar 2014, 06:02pm

QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 13th Mar 2014, 08:54am) *

Is it a self-portrait? Is he saying he`s a horse`s arse?
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Och'...it's just Lobby Dosser by 'Rank Bigyin'

Posted by: guvin wullie 15th Mar 2014, 01:28am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 14th Mar 2014, 04:43pm) *
Coz he canny draw tongue.gif

A kin draw a damnn sight bettur than yon yin an went tae the Glesga school o' Airt tae lern it. But a dont have the hype tae get ma Airt published an if it wisnea fur his muney nae buddy wid even lukit yon pathetic scribbles.

Posted by: carmella 18th Mar 2014, 10:53am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 12th Mar 2014, 12:57pm) *
Like Nicola Sturgeon who took part in a live TV debate and proceeded to screech and wail like a moronic stair-heid ned from start to finish?

Like Joan McAlpine who used Holyrood expenses to pay for a holiday for her married boyfriend, his cuckolded wife and their kids, then tried to cover up the fact and even tried to use the threat of legal action to shut the wife up?

Like Kenny MacAskill who is making a pig's ear of the country's justice system in general and the Abdelbaset al-Megrahi case and the SNP's very own cack-handed anti-sectarianism legislation in particular?

Or even old Shrek Salmond himself who ignores all dissenting comment and maintains that he alone is right - because he said so?

Yeah, bring on the new faces I must say....
Geeza brek! laugh.gif

Absolutely agree with you. I'll tell you all something else. I recently had to install a new boiler. Before this was done, I was told that because I'm putting in a new efficient condenscing boiler, I would get back 850 from the total cost. I said I wasn't on any benefits, so wouldn't be entitled to this, and I have a good income. The Energy Scotland people pointed out to me this had nothing to do with it, I was entitled purely on the basis of replacing my boiler. So I applied for the voucher which took 3 weeks and I had to phone Edinburgh to ascertain where my voucher was, only to be told they could confirm receipt of the application, and inspection report, but that they were having trouble with their email system.

So, it seems I'm on track after returning yet more paper work, because the guy who inspected and took photos of the old boiler in situ, had to return to take pictures of the new boiler in situ, then gave me about 9 pages of paperwork and told me to send it off to Edinburgh by Recorded Delivery "because this is important" - duly sent the large envelope recorded delivery to Edinburgh and patiently awaited the 850 to be credited to my nominated account.

Six weeks on and I've not even had an acknowledgement that the recorded delivery was received, and no money paid into my nominated account.

All of this is yet one more reason why I shall remain in the NO corner - they can't organize, end of.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 18th Mar 2014, 11:25am

QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Mar 2014, 11:10am) *
All of this is yet one more reason why I shall remain in the NO corner - they can't organize, end of.

I don't want to take this thread off topic carmella, but you are basing your vote on the referendum because you haven't received your money back yet for replacing your old boiler?

If we vote NO will David Cameron replace all our boilers free of charge?

I must have missed that speech.

Posted by: Guest 18th Mar 2014, 11:40am

I think it is perfectly clear from her post that Carmella has no faith in the present SNP administration's to organise and is basing her "No" vote on this fact.

Posted by: carmella 18th Mar 2014, 10:53pm

No you are quite right Jagz he didn't and won't - and I'm not basing my argument only on my not yet receiving my money, but the lack over many weeks of efficiency, I missed a lot out for the sake of brevity.

Before I'd be a 'yes' voter, the Scottish government would have to prove in several ways, that it would run Scotland better than Billy Connolly or anyone else for that matter. And that all aspects of our lives now and in 100 years' time would be protected for children and grandchildren.

I greatly dislike Alex Salmond, I think if Scotland says yes it will simply be a big kudos hit to him, he wants to be King or at the very least Scottish Prime Minister LOL

I watched as did others, his deputy and the other Labour wumin, before I got sickened and turned the two 'stairheed' women off - they were disgusting.

Don't want to fall out with you Jags because you are probably a nice, sensible man, and you live very close to me and my brother, so you can't be a bad person, but if a lot of people think like you in vast numbers, then we will have a yes vote - but I shall still regret that Scotland went that way, and I'll have to pay for something I didn't vote for.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 19th Mar 2014, 09:26am

QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Mar 2014, 11:10pm) *
Before I'd be a 'yes' voter, the Scottish government would have to prove in several ways, that it would run Scotland better than Billy Connolly or anyone else for that matter. And that all aspects of our lives now and in 100 years' time would be protected for children and grandchildren.

I greatly dislike Alex Salmond, I think if Scotland says yes it will simply be a big kudos hit to him, he wants to be King or at the very least Scottish Prime Minister LOL

I watched as did others, his deputy and the other Labour wumin, before I got sickened and turned the two 'stairheed' women off - they were disgusting.

Don't want to fall out with you Jags because you are probably a nice, sensible man, and you live very close to me and my brother, so you can't be a bad person, but if a lot of people think like you in vast numbers, then we will have a yes vote - but I shall still regret that Scotland went that way, and I'll have to pay for something I didn't vote for.

I don't like taking this thread off topic carmella, but since you mentioned Billy Connolly (and now so have i) we should be ok. laugh.gif

I think the present SG has shown it can and does run Scotland properly, the fact that the popularity polls put the SNP way ahead is unprecedented for a government that is in the middle of it's second term, financially John Swinney has the country living within it's means by balancing the books with the limited budget we receive from Westminster, unlike the spiralling UK national debt thanks to Osborne, Darling, Brown's etc failed economic policies.

I doubt if the UK would have gotten into such a mess had Billy Connelly been in charge, so i will be voting YES to protect future generations from these tried and tested Westminster policies of self interest and failure.

Think of the big kudos you and the other NO voters will be giving David Cameron and Co when you give him a big kiss of confidence, letting him and the rest of the Westminster establishment know that Scotland is a toothless tiger that they can use and treat anyway they like, slashed budgets and powers will be just the beginning of the end of Scotland.

Scotland has a First Minister not a Prime Minister, and i assume the King remark was a joke as you are fully aware that Elizabeth will still be Queen.

The Sturgeon/Lamont debate was disgusting as i have said on the other thread, but no more than the disgusting behaviour that you can see every week at PM's question time.

We won't fall out carmella as i am a nice, sensible man, and i am sure that you are probably a nice, sensible woman, and you will understand that unless you vote Tory, a NO vote will mean that we, the people of Scotland will continue to pay for something we didn't vote for.

Posted by: carmella 19th Mar 2014, 06:23pm

On the King remark you spotted it, of course I do know that Queenie will still be our head - I'm not a royalist though, so it actually doesn't matter to me.

I do like the two boys Wills and Harry though and some of the others are ok, as is the Queen.

You might convince me yet - I should warn you it won't be easy though, broadly I do agree with some of the other things you've mentioned, but I don't want to take this off topic - I'll find a suitable moment to add my 2c worth on the designated thread.

Posted by: wombat 19th Mar 2014, 08:02pm

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Posted by: Mathieson 19th Mar 2014, 11:15pm

Absolutely hilarious! One of your best yet! huh.gif

Posted by: Guvin Wullie 20th Mar 2014, 12:21am

QUOTE (carmella @ 19th Mar 2014, 06:40pm) *
On the King remark you spotted it, of course I do know that Queenie will still be our head - I'm not a royalist though, so it actually doesn't matter to me.

I do like the two boys Wills and Harry though and some of the others are ok, as is the Queen.

You might convince me yet - I should warn you it won't be easy though, broadly I do agree with some of the other things you've mentioned, but I don't want to take this off topic - I'll find a suitable moment to add my 2c worth on the designated thread.

Cant think of anything better than having the english royal family of never worked and never will billionaires being the Scottish answer to Evita Peron. But real royalty at that, still upholding the divine right of kings, to hold more land than they can use, more money than they can spend, more houses than they can live in and more idiot flunkeys than they can count to make sure they never have to lift a finger to cut a ribbon at a baby show.

At least Laird Connely and her majesty's royal knight Sirconniry, made some show of earning their place in an inequitable class ridden society.

Posted by: Gallusbisom 20th Mar 2014, 01:50am

Gone yersel Wombat! Good yin, lol

Posted by: JAGZ1876 20th Mar 2014, 09:39am

QUOTE (carmella @ 19th Mar 2014, 06:40pm) *
You might convince me yet


I will keep trying Carmella thumbup.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 20th Mar 2014, 09:41am

QUOTE (wombat @ 19th Mar 2014, 08:19pm) *
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Posted by: wombat 20th Mar 2014, 07:57pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 7th Mar 2014, 11:22pm) *
'Fraid not mate. In truth I couldn't give a tuppeny damn for Connolly's production company any more than I care one iota for Shur Sean Connery wittering on about independence for the country he loves so much he refuses to live here.


tongue.gif heard he will be back very very.....



 

Posted by: taurus 20th Mar 2014, 08:31pm

I tried very hard not to enter into this subject ,as I don`t live in the country (I still love),so I`m not in a position to pass remarks on how it`s being run at present or in the future,but I totally agree with post 284 ,the royal family are a waste of space.period.

Posted by: Dylan 20th Mar 2014, 09:04pm

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Posted by: Billy Boil 24th Mar 2014, 12:34am

QUOTE (taurus @ 20th Mar 2014, 08:48pm) *
I tried very hard not to enter into this subject ,as I don`t live in the country (I still love),so I`m not in a position to pass remarks on how it`s being run at present or in the future,but I totally agree with post 284 ,the royal family are a waste of space.period.

The fact that you reside in the Oblast of Greater Sydney shoul not cloud your judgment in involvement with the outside world, as is common with the denizens of the Sydney Sub culture (all of Sydney being a sub culture). As a Scot, and having the grace of G-D to be born in Glasgow no matter your geographic location, you are every bit entitled to your opinion on the prospect of Scotland becoming a republic. My only reservation about independence is that there would be no separation from the German dynasty foisted illegally on Scotland and Scots (keep in mind there is no precedent for a king of Scotland in history or law). This would tie the country into the act of the illegal, as far as Scotland was concerned, Act Of Settlement. After the death of the last Stuart monarch and under the auspices of the Act Of Union Scotland was to be free to choose its' own monarchy. England happy with a German king, who spoke no English and who thoroughly disliked the country any way, foisted their choice of monarch on the Scots. Bear in mind this was so popular an act in Scotland that wars were fought and cultures destroyed in the aftermath of wars to reinstate the Stuarts.

Pass on your remarks; you are doing no worse that what else passes for informed opinion on this subject here.