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Posted by: GG 30th Jan 2013, 11:32pm

It's been a deeply humiliating few months for Glasgow. Ridicule and scorn from near and far has been heaped on the city because of the continuing George Square debacle. First, following a deeply-flawed survey of less than 50 Glaswegians, Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson informed us that all the statues were to be removed from our beloved civic square. Then, after a hugely costly and controversial international design competition to revamp the square, the council leader announced that a winner had been decided upon... only to take the expensive scheme off the table in favour of what he now calls a "substantial facelift".

The problem remains, though, that the council's latest £15 million facelift, although removing the unpopular red tarmac, is not intended to restore our beloved square to the verdant Victorian splendour which we enjoyed up until 1998. Instead of repairing the damage it inflicted unceremoniously 15 years ago – when flower beds, grassed areas and the square's famous Swedish white beam trees were removed – the council now plans to renovate George Square with a view to dramatically increasing the number of commercial events which can be staged there.

Effectively, Glaswegians are to lose the civic heart of Glasgow – and arguably the heart of Scotland – to a plethora of pop concerts, sports events, product launches, and what some people think is a dire Christmas carnival. On the last point, Glaswegian journalist Kevin McKenna noted in the Observer at the weekend:

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"Before the councillors wrecked it, George Square was a magical place to visit at Christmas. On the north side, towards Queen Street station, Mary and Joseph took up residence inside a lovingly constructed glass stable with the saviour of the world, three kings and some shepherds. Christmas decorations garlanded all four sides of the square and it was a happy and tranquil place to be in the season of peace and goodwill.

I couldn't tell you now if the manger has recently featured at Christmas in George Square simply because so much noise, cheap rouge and coconut shy malarkey goes on every December that the entire place should be given an asbo. A dirty, big white wheel becomes the centrepiece instead of a child born in a stable and instead of wise men bearing gifts there is an assortment of tawdry games and stalls. You won't hear carols now, only the implacable grinding of an electric generator. It is a charnel house."

Do you think George Square should be returned to how it was before – reintroducing the flower beds, greenery and trees – restoring the square to the people of Glasgow for a more tranquil usage? Or do you believe that George Square should be prepared for increased commercialisation in order to (according to the council) boost the number of visitors to the city centre who then might spend money in nearby shops and restaurants, thus helping sustain jobs in the city's service sector?

The photo below was taken just after Remembrance Sunday, as preparations were made to transform the square for the Christmas carnival. Four large 'events' refuse bins were, for days, propped up against the Cenotaph, the memorial which honours the many thousands of Glaswegians who gave their lives so that we could be free.






GG.

Posted by: CAMPSIE 31st Jan 2013, 12:52am

Change is good but only when it brings improvements, this clearly does not. Shameful that refuse bins should be left next to the war memorial. I for one would like to see George square returned to an oasis where people can sit in a peaceful atmosphere and recharge their batteries or soothe the minds even for a short time. More trees flowers and a water feature where it is pleasant to spend time........an oasis in the centre of Glasgow as it once was is needed again. I have memories of sitting reading a book in George Square in my lunch break, but quite often I would sit and enjoy the flowers as we didn't have a garden then. I say RESTORE GEORGE SQUARE to a GREEN OASIS !

Posted by: Jazzsaxman 31st Jan 2013, 01:02am

Well what can you say about politicians and council leaders that has not already been said. Self centered morons the lot of them.
Somebody should put a statue of Gordon Matheson in George Square. It would be a laugh to see a big stone numpty there.

Posted by: Guest 31st Jan 2013, 01:58am

QUOTE (Jazzsaxman @ 31st Jan 2013, 01:19am) *
Well what can you say about politicians and council leaders that has not already been said. Self centered morons the lot of them.
Somebody should put a statue of Gordon Matheson in George Square. It would be a laugh to see a big stone numpty there.

There was one and only one politician to enter parliament with genuine good intentions; that was Guido (Guy) Fawkes.

Posted by: Kassy 31st Jan 2013, 02:05am

I loved sitting in George Square when I had my lunch time it was great just watching everything around my quiet time so why not leave things that are not broken and part of our heritage.

I used to get the last bus home from here after clubbing with my mates.

It brings back great memories.


Kassy

Posted by: jeani 31st Jan 2013, 03:29am

George square should be returned to the way it was with its greenery and flowers and a proper survey should be done for Glaswegians to have their say on what's to be done with it , it is our square !! We should be properly consulted and listened to ! ,,, jeani , xx

Posted by: zascot 31st Jan 2013, 05:24am

George Square is the heart of Glasgow (The Dear Green Place) so why not make it again a"Dear Green Place" for all Glaswegians and visitors. I travel a lot on business and what better after a day in town than having a relaxed peaceful place to sit for 10 minutes to rejuvenate.Show the voting above to the council and they may wake up, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Joseph Mc 31st Jan 2013, 05:34am

Blackpool has one. Paris has one, Seattle has one. Almost every city of note can be identified by a high structure or tower (eg The Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. The Eifel Tower in Paris ). How about investing in a giant tower like the Seattle one which will give Glasgow iconic status and act as both a magnet for tourists and a viewing platform for the citizens.

Posted by: Ossie 31st Jan 2013, 05:49am

Comments above pretty much reflect my own feelings . The Square for me has gone from being a very special place . A place where I always enjoyed having a seat, maybe reading , people -watching , or just relaxing . To now being a place which, at times , is the essence of vulgarity .

Thought it was just me getting on a bit. Reading through the posts reassures me that I'm not alone !

Posted by: kenb 31st Jan 2013, 06:21am

ditto to the above posts wub.gif cool.gif ditto

Posted by: Millymouse 31st Jan 2013, 06:49am

I am disgusted on what they have done and are doing to the square.
I left Glasgow 1970 I have many memorys how the sqaure looked at Christmas, walking though hearing the carols being played. What a beautiful place to be held for all the people coming for the games. Let Gladgow Flourish, don't destroy it

Millymouse

Posted by: jeani 31st Jan 2013, 08:12am

QUOTE (Joseph Mc @ 31st Jan 2013, 10:51am) *
Blackpool has one. Paris has one, Seattle has one. Almost every city of note can be identified by a high structure or tower (eg The Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. The Eifel Tower in Paris ). How about investing in a giant tower like the Seattle one which will give Glasgow iconic status and act as both a magnet for tourists and a viewing platform for the citizens.

That was the intention of the science tower Joseph , for both tourists and Glaswegians , unfortunately it's spent a lot of time out of action with mechanical problems !! Xx

Posted by: chas1937 31st Jan 2013, 08:13am

I totally agree with the poll results as we need to keep it way it was in all it's glory before some Council idiots decided too wreck Glasgow has plenty places where events can be held ie SECC and others of similar ilk.Hampden and Ibrox parks have also been used too great effect.
So too Glasgow City council aka Mathieson get yourself too hell and let more sensible people in to do job that your lot can't

Posted by: *Angus* 31st Jan 2013, 08:43am

Whilst I no longer live in Glasgow I have had a long association with the great City and still do. So, it will come as no surprise that developments of this nature that totally ignore the history of the City and the popular/majority view and are imposed in an expensive and chaotic manner.

I can only hope that Mr. Gordon Matheson's next job, and hopefully he will be seeking one soon, places him in a less influential position where he is less able to exercise his poor judgement in the manner he has done in the past.

Posted by: Sibbo 31st Jan 2013, 08:56am

Would it be possible for the City council to establish & maintain a continental-style cafe and catering facility in the square itself, thus not only generating needed income, but also adding to the tourist appeal of our great city?

Posted by: greta 31st Jan 2013, 09:35am

I am in with the mind of returning the square back to its Victorian splendour.After all this area is a cultural and historical part of Glasgow and Scotland and should remain so. As to the council its about time they recognized peoples feelings about this area and found another dumping ground for their so called activities and venues. George square is too important a piece of Glasgows heritage to be mucked around with in this or any other way. Put it back to the beloved way it was and spend your money in other more social enterprises. Like in the refurbishment of another piece of our national heritage, Wallaces Well.

Posted by: DavidT 31st Jan 2013, 09:44am

If you were to consider George Square as a building rather than a public square then a radical overhaul would have been unthinkable. The same careful thought had been applied in its construction as went into building the city chambers, the central hotel or even the layout of the necropolis. Radical change to a fine work is wrong. Careful restoration is perfectly acceptable.

Posted by: reneeb 31st Jan 2013, 09:56am

QUOTE (CAMPSIE @ 31st Jan 2013, 01:09am) *
Change is good but only when it brings improvements, this clearly does not. Shameful that refuse bins should be left next to the war memorial. I for one would like to see George square returned to an oasis where people can sit in a peaceful atmosphere and recharge their batteries or soothe the minds even for a short time. More trees flowers and a water feature where it is pleasant to spend time........an oasis in the centre of Glasgow as it once was is needed again. I have memories of sitting reading a book in George Square in my lunch break, but quite often I would sit and enjoy the flowers as we didn't have a garden then. I say RESTORE GEORGE SQUARE to a GREEN OASIS !

I couldn't agree more; not all change is progress. I was travelling on the Glasgow Expressway recently and viewed the new stadium being constructed. There are several venues already in Glasgow, large and small, that are available for holding sporting and entertainment events, so why can't George Square be left as the green oasis in the middle of our metropolis that the Victorians designed for us all to enjoy.

Posted by: GuestAnne 31st Jan 2013, 10:07am

Can you imagine the hullabaloo if they decided to remove the objects that make Trafalgar Square what it is? The Cenotaphs were put into MAIN public areas for people to remember with gratitude the sacrifices made, most statues were by public subscription in days when a penny was a penny. I totally agree there are plenty of Arena size areas for pop concerts etc., and the fairground is already running at the secc, perhaps they could allow free entry and encourage more people to go.

Posted by: Yogihughes 31st Jan 2013, 10:35am

Until the citizens of Glasgow themselves make their opposition known to their Council representatives (the councillors that they elect) I am afraid no notice will be taken by the likes of Matheson and his cohorts.
We can see by the current voting results of the surveys on here that the vast majority of those interested enough to take part wish the Square to be restored to its former state of a place to relax during lunch-breaks or indeed at any time really.
I would go even further and make the roads around the Square Traffic free except for public transport, tourist transport and emergency vehicles. I would prevent all parking as it seems the only vehicles parked there at the moment are Blue badge holders, the majority of which I would hazard a guess being used illegally as the Holder of the badge is probably at home whilst a family member is using the badge.
I know the Council is to be congratulated in holding more and more commercial enterprises within the Glasgow area. This is a welcome financial benefit to the public coffers BUT this money is then wasted on providing such items as 20 or so ipads for senior members of the council.
I will be making my views known by e-mail to my representatives and by face to face meetings to remind them that they are there to represent us and our wishes not their own private ideas.
It is just a pity that it is every 3 years rather than just 1 year for re-election but I understand there must be a reasonable time given for them to try to implement things.
Perhaps this is a long-winded way of saying "I don't agree" with the current method of the council in ignoring the wishes of Glaswegians in the matter how the city should be run.

Posted by: Guest 31st Jan 2013, 10:45am

As a Glaswegian living in England, I am appalled to think of the changes the council are planning for George's Square, this is a place we hold with love and deep affection and the citizens of Glasgow should be rising up to show the council how much this precious place means to us all, shame on them for even considering changing George's Square it is a beloved part of our heritage, holding the fondest memories of happy times spent there, there are so many other parts of Glasgow that they could change but please not our dear old square. Very upset proud Glaswegian.

Posted by: Waterman's daughter 31st Jan 2013, 01:12pm

QUOTE (Ossie @ 31st Jan 2013, 06:06am) *
Comments above pretty much reflect my own feelings . The Square for me has gone from being a very special place . A place where I always enjoyed having a seat, maybe reading , people -watching , or just relaxing . To now being a place which, at times , is the essence of vulgarity .

Thought it was just me getting on a bit. Reading through the posts reassures me that I'm not alone !

Hi, I agree with Ossie's comments. The square was once a very special place, not now. Last year we took visitors from Buffalo,USA through it. It was late afternoon and crowd of some 10/12 people, not youths,were hanging about being a bit noisy, we felt intimidated. A young man passed by, then a man from this group ran after him. For no apparent reason attacked him punching and pushing him around, shouting at him. The young man got up and ran across the road shaken. The attacker went back to his group where the others HIGH FIVED him, congratulating him. It's not a place where I would take my grandchildren to sit now. I would prefer grass rather than concrete with some nice mature trees around.

Posted by: Professur 31st Jan 2013, 01:20pm

Elected officials? Unelect them already and get people in who aren't bought and paid for.

Posted by: mollynsam 31st Jan 2013, 01:23pm

George sq belongs toGglasgow, it should be returned to what it was in the 60s, no events, no sideshows.

Posted by: mustard 31st Jan 2013, 01:25pm

QUOTE (jeani @ 31st Jan 2013, 08:29am) *
That was the intention of the science tower Joseph , for both tourists and Glaswegians , unfortunately it's spent a lot of time out of action with mechanical problems !! Xx

The problem with the science tower is the two times I have taken my children there it has been raining and you cant get a very good view at all. Might I suggest window wipers lol. On a more serious note leave the square as it was. If its not broken dont ....... S

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 31st Jan 2013, 02:26pm

QUOTE (Joseph Mc @ 31st Jan 2013, 05:51am) *
Blackpool has one. Paris has one, Seattle has one. Almost every city of note can be identified by a high structure or tower (eg The Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. The Eifel Tower in Paris ). How about investing in a giant tower like the Seattle one which will give Glasgow iconic status and act as both a magnet for tourists and a viewing platform for the citizens.

Where do you want it erected ... George Square? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Harrymc 31st Jan 2013, 02:29pm

QUOTE (greta @ 31st Jan 2013, 09:52am) *
I am in with the mind of returning the square back to its Victorian splendour.After all this area is a cultural and historical part of Glasgow and Scotland and should remain so. As to the council its about time they recognized peoples feelings about this area and found another dumping ground for their so called activities and venues. George square is too important a piece of Glasgows heritage to be mucked around with in this or any other way. Put it back to the beloved way it was and spend your money in other more social enterprises. Like in the refurbishment of another piece of our national heritage, Wallaces Well.

I was born and raised in Glasgow but like many of my generation I left to find employment.I agree with most of the sentiments expressed here but it seems to me that,whilst much has changed for the better in the city,too much of the historical and what might be termed the heritage of the city is being ignored and in some instances expunged.Over the years the "disease"called political correctness has infected people in power to the point where that heritage doesn't count for anything.The leader's recent dismissal of the statues as"UNKNOWN relics of a bygone age"along with the absence of any reference to the location of The Wallace Monument at Robroyston and the Well further along the road coupled with the neglect of the Springburn Public Halls (now demolished) and the Winter Gardens in Springburn Park (no doubt soon to follow) suggests that there is no respect left within the Council for these places.
There are plenty of thriving commercial enterprises in the city and venues already referred to by others for "events. Glasgow needs the Square to be a place of refuge and quiet contemplation amidst the hurly burly of daily activity in the city.
RESTORE IT SOON.

Posted by: Guest 31st Jan 2013, 04:15pm

The comments above has just re-iterated what I was saying last week about spending much-loved lunch hours sitting on the grass (if you could even find a space) and enjoying the beautiful trees and flowerbeds.

I have just returned from holidaying in Australia last week and couldn't help but admire how the town planners there have grass, botanical areas and beautiful squares with benches every few metres. In Brisbane the riverside is a pleasurable place to spend a day with family areas for relaxing and their cenotaph has a whole square with an eternal flame burning and beautiful bronze statues to remember and honour the fallen and that square leads into another landscaped square.

I don't think, if our town planners have their way, we will be known as the green city much longer. I totally agree we have more than enough areas to host concerts, christmas markets and the square being turned over to the commercialism of a showground at Christmastime is a sad reflection on the consumerism ideology with which people live their lives by today. Restore George Square to it's original greenery with perhaps a water feature and let the Glaswegians once again take time to smell the roses.

Posted by: Malcolm M 31st Jan 2013, 06:19pm

I spend about 50% of my time in Glasgow and 50% in Toronto. Toronto boasts an austere concrete square with an ice rink, perfect for all sorts of events. Generally in keeping with the hideous architecture of Metro Hall. It works for them. Glasgow on the other hand boasts buildings of great beauty and architectural significance. Why oh why must Glasgow's City Fathers (and I use that term very loosely) denigrate our heritage on the whimsical notion that they are keeping up with the times. It doesn't work! We love Glasgow as it is (and the Square as it was). If we must have a venue for street entertainment consider other locations, perhaps St Enoch Square. I'm totally for events in the City, just not at the expense of our heritage. I'm still upset about changing the name of Royal Exchange Square to Nelson Mandela Square.

Posted by: Rab 31st Jan 2013, 08:53pm

QUOTE (Yogihughes @ 31st Jan 2013, 10:52am) *
Blue badge holders, the majority of which I would hazard a guess being used illegally as the Holder of the badge is probably at home whilst a family member is using the badge.

Think yourself fortunate you do not require the few facilities afforded by a Blue Badge my friend. If you did, I know you would not be making such crude assumptions. The Square has much more serious considerations than this. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 31st Jan 2013, 09:06pm

With reference to the rushed (and unannounced) removal of the flower beds, grass and trees in 1998, it's informative to see the then council leader's reaction to the public disgust at the process.

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So Sorry as George Square is Ripped Up
Date: 8th September 1998 / Source: Daily Record

Council chiefs last night apologised to the people of Glasgow after bulldozers ripped the heart out of George Square. City council leader Frank McAveety admitted the Policy and Resources Committee had decided on the pounds 200,000 facelift without the public being told.

Work started last Thursday when the square's famous Swedish white beam trees where chopped down by workmen with chainsaws. Council bosses said the 75-year-old trees were felled because they had Dutch elm disease.

And yesterday, bulldozers moved into the square to tear up the colourful flower beds and the grass.

The move sparked angry protests from green pressure groups Friends of the Earth and the Scottish Tree Trust.

But Mr McAveety said: "The work will leave the square as green as ever. The work can only enhance what is a most important public space. We have apologised. We can't deny that the public were not told about the work. We regret the inconvenience the work has caused but the surface of the square needed upgrading."

Eight 15ft trees will replace the ones which were cut down, and the grass will remain around the war memorial.

But the flower beds have been taken away to make more space for bigger entertainment events.

The work is due to finish in time for Armistice Sunday on November 8.

GG.

Posted by: Heather 31st Jan 2013, 09:25pm

The tree's were in tubs around the Square for a short time, then they vanished.

Posted by: johnt0215 31st Jan 2013, 10:52pm

Before bestowing any more hair brained ego trips on us wee Mr Matheson wants to take a good look in the mirror and have a good attempt at restoring his own dignity!
Resigning would be a start!
We've already had the coke up the nose Purcell years, the man that sat in office making decisions whilst snorting coke during the Nursery Nurses strike the man who shafted everybody with his cronyism.
Just another wee sad numpty and now his alter ego's taken over, what is it with Glasgow City Council and poor choices of leadership?
This needs to be addressed who runs Glasgow City Council???????????????

Posted by: denis 31st Jan 2013, 11:32pm

I was a telegram boy operating from around the back of a building that was opposite George Square. My recollections are not good, it was 60 years ago. I delivered telegrams et al to businesses around George Square and beyond. (A good job, I think it was, meant going just as far as the Square, as short a distance as possible. You could doddle a bit.) Innocently I almost missed the point. Of course George Square was magnificent. I just didn't quite take it in. Now to 2006 or so when I returned there last time. We were on a bus trip around the UK and we were a bit rushed into a restaurant, having crossed the Square (no pun intended). There was some form of Protest, with many people and police present. Unfortunate but I guess that sort of thing went on in my time as a resident of Glasgow (Possilpark), did it?

It is clear from your poll results that Glasgow people want to have the Square with its lawns and gardens in place, and as it was some years ago. Maybe there needs to be a special voting slip at the next election. Those who would change things may then require to wait to see what the majority wants. Based on the short poll done so far, we know that the times I knew, would be the future for George Square.

A mention was made above, about the peace that the religious flavour gave to the area at Christmas. I remember it too.

Thanks for the opportunity to say something about George Square.

Denis Hawthorne
Mt Martha,
Victoria
Australia

Posted by: Scotsman 1st Feb 2013, 07:56am

Theres another side to this that we read about last week but has not been mentioned here and that is how it was in the news that Matheson went in a huff and threw the toys oot the pram because he couldnae get his way on the panel that chose the winner. The story said that he only kidded on that he was listening to the public so that he could use it as an excuse to dump the whole competition because the judges went against his wishes.

Posted by: *jean* 1st Feb 2013, 10:38am

Why don't the who ever gets the contract for George square relocate Glasgow council offices to under it & let the public walk over them, the same way the council has been walking over the people of Glasgow.

Posted by: Rab 1st Feb 2013, 12:21pm

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 1st Feb 2013, 08:13am) *
Theres another side to this that we read about last week but has not been mentioned here and that is how it was in the news that Matheson went in a huff and threw the toys oot the pram because he couldnae get his way on the panel that chose the winner. The story said that he only kidded on that he was listening to the public so that he could use it as an excuse to dump the whole competition because the judges went against his wishes.

Scotsman: As I stated in an earlier post - how do we know what the real truth of this matter is? We must beware of falling into the trap of believing everything we read in the press. I have assumed from Mathesons own public confessions that he has much to answer for, in fact, enough to resign, but that does not mean that he has acted as described, lets be fair to him here; if the truth outs and this was the case, then he has only 'convicted' himself further! Is there not some case here for some form of Public Inquiry into this whole affair, with the culprits being shown the door of City Chambers?

Posted by: Guest 1st Feb 2013, 12:30pm

Yes Public Inquiry is need to sort this out and find out what happened.

What about Audit Scotland?

Posted by: Scotsman 1st Feb 2013, 07:03pm

I agree with you Rab that what we need is a major enquiry of some kind into this but we have seen these people ride out this kind of thing so many times in the past and eventually nothing comes to it.

I have no faith in the system. What I find weird is that nobody on the judging panel came out to support Matheson and say the George Square selection huff story is mince. Even though they were hand picked by Matheson and surely they must look on him as a meal ticket.

Posted by: tamhickey 2nd Feb 2013, 11:57am

The sooner this cabal of incompetents leave or more likely are forced from office the better. Hard earned cash is squandered on these "tribunes of the people" who seem merely to exist for the betterment of their own personal enrichment rather than the good governance of the City of Glasgow. Purcell and now Mathison have been embroiled in lurid stories which have not shown the city in a good light. The rest of the world must think we have an army of gay Berlusconi's when it comes to appointing leaders.
They say power corrupts, and the Labour Party has rotted to the bone in Glasgow, becoming an equal opportunity leader for chancers and liars.
The disgraceful £100,00 of your money wasted on the George Square upgrade possibilities, only to then be rubbished and rehashed yet again shows complete and utter contempt to the citizens of Glasgow and their opinions are rarely sought as though we just don't matter. It's more likely to be another of Mathison's ego trips where he wants to leave his legacy to the public.
I don't give a damn about his sexual preferences, I just wish he could give as much thought to the people who live here as to his much publicised peccadillos with other men.

Posted by: cowcaddens kid 2nd Feb 2013, 12:22pm

I used to work in the head post office building in the late 1970,and 80s, like many people in the surrounding offices we would go and sit in the suare or on the grass on a warm summers day(we did get some!) lunch time or tea break and it was really a serious loss of amenity when they tore it all up in the late 90s.
Their current bright ideas -what a waste of money and right in the middle of this recession too-- next thing will be not enough money to run the commonwealth games properly or afford to use these new facilities for the benifit of the citizens yet again.
Me I would add a set of stocks to stick the high handed councillors in with free fruit to throw-- although some off us might just pay a little for the rotten eggs.
In all the years of my life I dont think the city council have improved the "dear green place" and in some places they have blighted the amenities forever---SAD IS IT NO!

Posted by: bilbo.s 2nd Feb 2013, 12:52pm

Sad to relate, Glasgow is not the only place blighted by loony councillors. Nearby here in Roquetas de Mar, they are trying to regulate the pavement cafés and restaurants so that they all have white furniture with no advertising on them. In Nerja, one of the most popular Costa del Sol resorts, the eejit mayor has expressed the belief that the town has no need of tourists.

Posted by: Heather 2nd Feb 2013, 04:01pm

Nerja is a favourite Holiday place for my son and his family. They usually book a Villa for two weeks.

I must let him know he is no longer welcome there. rolleyes.gif

Having attended a Spanish University for a couple of years when a Student, my son speaks Spanish. So maybe he should email the Mayor and ask him why he no longer wants tourists.

Posted by: frame 2nd Feb 2013, 04:12pm

I have the feeling that this has more to do with a man's ego (Matheson) than any decisional need to upgrade George Square.
He is behaving like someone who suffers from the hubristic belief that he is right and as such is answerable to no one except God, (there have been many others in that mould, one very recently.)
He certainly knows how important George Square is to the people of Glasgow. He's very aware of how strong feeling is running against this plan and what's more, he doesn't appear to care.
He holds a high position in the city and in all probability considers himself omnipotent and above criticism.
The people of Glasgow have a major task on their hands if they want George square to be turned back into that little square acreage of trees, grass and summer days that sat in the middle of traffic but was an oasis of comfort and relaxation.
Protests en masse, coupled with a very sympathetic media for as long as it takes is one way.
Writing to this guy from every quarter is another, maybe help to ease his thinking. Nothing like sacks of mail landing on your office floor, all with the same message, to make you walk to your window, open it and (jump, dream on) look out at the square and go through a change of heart.

The board members are absolutely right. George Square should be for the people not for the meddlers in City Hall.

Posted by: bilbo.s 2nd Feb 2013, 04:55pm

QUOTE (Heather @ 2nd Feb 2013, 05:18pm) *
Nerja is a favourite Holiday place for my son and his family. They usually book a Villa for two weeks.

I must let him know he is no longer welcome there. rolleyes.gif

Having attended a Spanish University for a couple of years when a Student, my son speaks Spanish. So maybe he should email the Mayor and ask him why he no longer wants tourists.

Heather, Nerja has been a favourite place of ours since we discovered it 20 years ago and must be the most beautiful resort in Spain. We used to have an autumn break there and took Lynne´s dad there many times, after her mum died. He loved the place but sadly he passed away 6 years ago, not long before we moved.

Now it is barely 90 minutes away and we have visited it for many short breaks, but the alcalde has in recent years imposed punitive fees for what was a huge free car park- it amounts to about 18€ for an overnight stay. This must deter a lot of daytrippers too, as he has also forced owners of vacant ground to build dykes around them, forcing them to use the municipal park. I cannot vouch for the veracity of his reported quote, as it may just be that people, including residents, are not too happy.

Posted by: Heather 2nd Feb 2013, 05:22pm

Bill, when my son books a Villa he always makes sure a pool for the children and car to get around in comes with it.
No overnight parking fees for him as he only makes day trips.

The Mayor sounds like a right tartar.


Posted by: Scotsman 3rd Feb 2013, 10:36am

QUOTE (frame @ 2nd Feb 2013, 04:29pm) *
I have the feeling that this has more to do with a man's ego (Matheson) than any decisional need to upgrade George Square.
He is behaving like someone who suffers from the hubristic belief that he is right and as such is answerable to no one except God, (there have been many others in that mould, one very recently.)
He certainly knows how important George Square is to the people of Glasgow. He's very aware of how strong feeling is running against this plan and what's more, he doesn't appear to care.
He holds a high position in the city and in all probability considers himself omnipotent and above criticism.
The people of Glasgow have a major task on their hands if they want George square to be turned back into that little square acreage of trees, grass and summer days that sat in the middle of traffic but was an oasis of comfort and relaxation.
Protests en masse, coupled with a very sympathetic media for as long as it takes is one way.
Writing to this guy from every quarter is another, maybe help to ease his thinking. Nothing like sacks of mail landing on your office floor, all with the same message, to make you walk to your window, open it and (jump, dream on) look out at the square and go through a change of heart.

The board members are absolutely right. George Square should be for the people not for the meddlers in City Hall.

I totally agree with you Frame. Somebody recently described him as a small man with even smaller ideas. Glasgow needs someone who is smart and who listens to the people. George Square cannot be lost just because of one mans ego.

Posted by: wombat 3rd Feb 2013, 09:21pm

thumbup.gif George square should have statues of scotlands heroes not its subjugators IMO yes.gif

Posted by: Guest 4th Feb 2013, 03:01am

As far as I am concerned it just seems that far too often George's Square is turned into what looks like a building site. What are tourists to think when they see all the nice photos of it and then they turn up and it looks like that. The square is the number one tourist venue for tourists to come to in Glasgow and get their pictures taken and say "look that's me in Glasgow".

Posted by: Isobel 4th Feb 2013, 02:16pm

How right you are guest. Last time I was home I just about died when I saw George Square. Why cant they find somewhere else to hold their various concerts and social events.Make George Square a must place to visit when in Glasgow.

Posted by: wee davy 4th Feb 2013, 11:42pm

http://www.urbanrealm.com/news/3982/McAslan_to_host_George_Square_public_workshop.html


You MAY have to pre-order your breakfast, though. And an 8am start isn't going to be easy for some. But c'mon GGDB - lets get one or two of you at the venue, offering our views.
Which very much in line with what we have been saying (in our inimitable way), they appear to be.
Well done, McAslan. Putting it out in the public domain, where it should have been from the very start.

Don't be having too many free breakfasts!

Posted by: GG 7th Feb 2013, 05:48pm

From the STV news website this evening:

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[...] Glasgow City Council also passed a motion to instruct the executive director of development and regional services to present a further report to the committee with alternative refurbishment options for George Square.

The options will include retaining the statues, improving the green spaces, utilities and lighting as well as replacing the red surface.

The plans to redesign the square – following an international design competition - were controversially axed in January in favour of a facelift.

Read the George Square redevelopment story in full
Bailie Nina Baker proposed an amendment which would include a conservation plan for the whole square as a heritage entity.

Council leader Gordon Matheson then faced a raft of questions from the SNP’s Graeme Hendry on the issue of George Square.

Councillor Hendry said: "This is quite a short report for something that filled all our inboxes for weeks.

"I think this is a lesson for the council in how to mishandle things."

The councillor went on to ask whose idea it had been to consult 42 people ahead of the process.

The response was: "It was a statistically balanced process using focus groups.

"The consultation was appropriate for the scale of what we proposed."

Councillor Matheson added: "The recommendation in front of us is the right one and the process was appropriate and correct."

The report was approved - without Bailie Baker's amendment - with 10 votes to seven. [...]

GG.

Posted by: GG 13th Feb 2013, 10:53pm

As if the rubbish bins – shown next to the Cenotaph in the first post of this topic – were not bad enough, yesterday saw a total of FIVE council cars parked around the war memorial. The Cenotaph itself is in dire need of cleaning – let's hope that some of the millions allocated to the George Square revamp will be spent on this very worthy monument.


GG.

Posted by: Guest 14th Feb 2013, 12:22am

QUOTE (wombat @ 3rd Feb 2013, 09:38pm) *
thumbup.gif George square should have statues of scotlands heroes not its subjugators IMO yes.gif

Youse is not wrong Wom!!!

Posted by: Guest 17th Feb 2013, 04:07am

I will be returning to Glasgow soon for the first time in over 30 years. It will be great to see Georges Square again. Thank you to everyone who helped to save it. I didn't even know at the time that they might have demolished it but so glad they have not.

J&S Marshall.

Posted by: Scotsman 19th Feb 2013, 12:49pm

It was in the news today on the STV that there is going to be NOTHING happening in George Square before the 2014 Games. Its a complete turnaround for the coucil leader who said that major changes had to be in place for the Games. That was the whole point of doing anything. So the council has just spent more than £100k on absolutely nothing at a time when they are saying they have no money for services.

Who pays for this fiasco....?? We do!!

Posted by: Harrymc 19th Feb 2013, 04:22pm

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 19th Feb 2013, 01:06pm) *
It was in the news today on the STV that there is going to be NOTHING happening in George Square before the 2014 Games. Its a complete turnaround for the coucil leader who said that major changes had to be in place for the Games. That was the whole point of doing anything. So the council has just spent more than £100k on absolutely nothing at a time when they are saying they have no money for services.

Who pays for this fiasco....?? We do!!

Aye!dead right but as they say "T'was ever thus".All Publicly funded entities throughout the UK and I suspect,beyond,are particularly good at spending/wasting other people's money.

Posted by: john.mcn 19th Feb 2013, 05:48pm

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 19th Feb 2013, 01:06pm) *
It was in the news today on the STV that there is going to be NOTHING happening in George Square before the 2014 Games. Its a complete turnaround for the coucil leader who said that major changes had to be in place for the Games. That was the whole point of doing anything. So the council has just spent more than £100k on absolutely nothing at a time when they are saying they have no money for services.

Who pays for this fiasco....?? We do!!

Well to be fair they do need to pay for their bacon butties now wink.gif

Posted by: Guest 25th Feb 2013, 05:46am

I've been told by a very reliable source that the council has changed their mind again and now the Red Square tarmac is to be removed after all and replaced with something a bit more dignified! Doesn't mean to say that things won't change again but it does look like it will be removed before the games in Glasgow in 2014.

Posted by: Doug1 26th Feb 2013, 03:23pm

QUOTE (Isobel @ 4th Feb 2013, 02:33pm) *
How right you are guest. Last time I was home I just about died when I saw George Square. Why cant they find somewhere else to hold their various concerts and social events.Make George Square a must place to visit when in Glasgow.

Quite right Isobel. The square should reflect the best a city has to offer. It is the heart of the city and it is where tourists and visitors tend to congregate and of course locals will meet up there and people working locally will sit and have lunch there. Lets hope eventually we have an attractive square that everyone likes rather than a bit of spare ground on which to dump short term exhibitions or concerts

Posted by: Rab 26th Feb 2013, 07:02pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 25th Feb 2013, 06:03am) *
I've been told by a very reliable source that the council has changed their mind again and now the Red Square tarmac is to be removed after all and replaced with something a bit more dignified! Doesn't mean to say that things won't change again but it does look like it will be removed before the games in Glasgow in 2014.


REALLY?

Posted by: Scotsman 28th Feb 2013, 12:25pm

So they say Rab.... So they say!! wink.gif

It was in the Evening Times last night that a protester had filed to get George Square some kind of protected status so that the council bigwigs cannot try to pull a fast one again. The application is going in soon so hopefully that will put an end to this nonsense once and for all. Its with the World Monuments Watch so if they the bigwigs wont listen to us they still might not want the bad publicity like what they already got.... thats assuming of course that they care!!

Posted by: Guest 6th Mar 2013, 05:32am

QUOTE
Glasgow Civic Forum has followed the saga of the George Square redevelopment with interest, and in February came together with representatives of the Strathclyde Group of the Architectural Heritage Society of Scotland to discuss the efforts to regenerate the square thus far, and the role groups like ourselves could take in moving the project forward.

The lack of proper consultation has been frustrating for many who care about Glasgow's built heritage. Despite Gordon Matheson's assertions that the most recent volte face is based on the will of the people, the public have still had no formal opportunity to express what they want and need from the square. The forum has been trying to engage the council on the redevelopment plans since November 2012 with little success – a missed opportunity for an open and constructive discussion with volunteers and professionals with expertise, enthusiasm and commitment.

The rushed process prevented the council from producing the supporting evidence that it would expect of any private developer. The council's own Conservation Area Appraisal states that a conservation plan should be drawn up for the square. This has not been carried out to date, and should be the basis of any proposals. This should be followed by a proper design brief, setting out what is needed in the square. Broad wording such as "celebrate the creativity of the city and its people" are motivational words and not criteria for a brief. Without a proper brief or the background documents to support the council's aspirations, and so little public consultation, the design competition was doomed to failure.

The forum feels strongly that the square should work for the people of Glasgow and in the context of Glasgow, while also being welcoming to visitors and suitable for appropriate events, but we cannot accept that commercial imperatives should define the square, as they seem to at present. Too often when large events are being held, such as the Olympic Torch Relay and the Christmas lights, the streets around the square become a maze of security fencing, making pedestrian and traffic movement difficult. Events should fit the space and not hijack this central point in the city.

There seems to be considerable public support for retaining the statues and it has been suggested the revised facelift will now allow all of the statues to remain in the square. The forum would suggest any changes to the locations of the statues should be properly consulted on, developed and evidenced, rather than being imposed without discussion.

Similarly, the reintroduction of greenspace is felt to be essential, but the nature of this space and how people want to be able to use it has not been examined in detail. It is clear if the existing traffic arrangements are to remain, at least for the time being, additional greenspace and tree planting would assist in limiting the impact of traffic noise and pollution, and would help to solve that oft-repeated criticism that the square is really one big traffic island.

The forum and the Architectural Heritage Society of Scotland recognise the need for improvements to the square, and welcome the council's commitment to making those improvements. We feel the people who live and work in the city should have an opportunity to have their say on the future of the square through a full and proper consultation process. And we believe that for George Square to be the vibrant, civic, urban space the city council aspires to, this process of genuine, open and transparent dialogue must happen.

Glasgow Civic Forum.

Posted by: Rab 7th Mar 2013, 06:40pm

This statement by the Glasgow City Forum is a very refreshing clearing of the air regarding all the past few months machinations by GCC and is like a transfusion of common sense which the whole fiasco deserved. I look forward to seeing the old place back to its former glory on my next visit. Good luck to them. thumbup.gif

Posted by: farrochie 10th Mar 2013, 01:39pm

According to today's Sunday Herald, Audit Scotland is going to take a look at the George Sq fiasco. Its not necessarily the £100,000 wasted money that is the issue, it's the fact that individuals can take it on themselves to usurp agreed democratic decision-making.

My memories of the old square revolve around summer time, exams completed, when we would go down and sit on the grass in the square and forget about studying. Glasgow deserves a square that can compete with the best in Europe, and provides a space that people can enjoy.

Posted by: d.c. 16th Mar 2013, 03:56pm

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Glasgow's George Square to get less 'radical' revamp

A less 'radical' redevelopment of Glasgow's George Square has been unveiled by the city council after earlier plans sparked a public outcry.

Councillors will consider the new two-stage plan on Thursday.

It will entail a £500,000 resurfacing to remove the red tarmac and provide more grassy areas. It will be completed before next year's Commonwealth Games.

A larger, second phase will follow after Glasgow 2014, with the final total cost being £15m.

Six designs had originally been commissioned by Glasgow City Council but plans were scrapped after an adverse public reaction.

Council leader Gordon Matheson said: "The people of Glasgow were very vocal throughout the design competition that they did not want a radical redesign of the square.

"They wanted the statues to remain, the grass to stay and the red tarmac to go.

"We listened to their views and have responded."

Grey surface

The council's executive committee will be asked to approve a two-phased approach, with the first including a new grey surface using epoxy resin replacing the red tarmac.

A more permanent surface could follow, with councillors also being asked to instruct officers to prepare another paper on proposals for the second phase of the work to be considered by the committee later this year.

The council promises public consultation on the final surface and treatment.

"Work will begin on phase one of the redeveloped square in July and is scheduled to run until September," added Councillor Matheson.

"The two grass beds on the western side of the square will be returned, ensuring a greener square at the heart of our city.

"We are introducing feature lighting to the statues, the Cenotaph and trees within the square."

The scheduled completion date of September would allow for suitable commemoration of Remembrance Day and enable the city's Christmas events to return to the square this year.


An artists impression of the new George Square following its revamp

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21813118

Posted by: GG 18th Mar 2013, 07:40am

In the news today...

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George Square contest referred to spending watchdog

Glasgow’s handling of the George Square competition has been referred to a public spending watchdog by the city’s only Tory councillor.

Audit Scotland confirmed it would take into consideration concerns over the contest and the £90,000 it cost to organise during its annual inspection of the council.

The £15 million competition was scrapped minutes after John McAslan & Partners was declared the winner in January.

Council leader Gordon Matheson insisted he had made the decision in response to public opposition. But some reports claimed it was because he preferred a rejected scheme by Burns & Nice, or that he had been motivated by political expediency after being caught in compromising circumstances.

With council spending cuts targeting the city's poorest and most vulnerable, it would be good to see someone held responsible for a farce that wasted £100,000.

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 18th Mar 2013, 10:26am

Its in the Evening Times that the architects society blames Matheson for the whole sorry show. Is this the kind of man we want leading the city if he cant even run a daft wee competition properly??

QUOTE
The role of the leader of Glasgow City Council in the abandoned £15million revamp of George Square has been laid bare in a leaked report.

The Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland (RIAS), which ran the design contest, says council leader Gordon Matheson was at the heart of a "debacle" which brought the city into "significant disrepute", and cost taxpayers £100,000 and architectural practices a further £200,000.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/leader-blasted-over-square-debacle-118712n.20524345

Posted by: bilbo.s 18th Mar 2013, 10:37am

Och, if they get rid of him, he´ll probably get a golden handshake. Aw naw, he´s already had wan, by all accounts! laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 21st Mar 2013, 07:20am

QUOTE
Glasgow councillors look at new George Square plan

Glasgow city councillors are preparing to look at new plans for a re-vamp of George Square.

A dramatic proposal to redevelop the square were suddenly abandoned in January 2013, after an international design contest.

Now a more modest plan has been drawn up. It suggests the removal of the red tarmac, with more grassy areas established.

A second phase would then follow, after the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

The total budget will be £15m. Councillors will vote on the plan later.

Six designs had originally been commissioned by Glasgow City Council but plans were scrapped after an adverse public reaction. ...

Full story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21870937

GG.


 

Posted by: GG 22nd Mar 2013, 07:51am

The new plan was approved by councillors yesterday but, of course, even though it is a vastly scaled down development (so we are told), it's still going to cost the public £15 million. This ridiculous amount is the final cost of what we have been told is a 'modest revamp' and comes at a times when the same councillors are closing community centres for the most vulnerable members of our community. The following is a letter to the Herald this week from renowned Glasgow author James Kelman.

QUOTE
Councillors behind day centre closure should resign in shame

In central Glasgow last Sunday afternoon there was an exciting, informed and well-advertised meeting of more than 300 members of the learning disability community, their families and supporters. They are struggling to stop Glasgow City Council s closure of three day centres. The meeting was designed to allow people the chance to express their opinions and personal testaments in regard to the personalisation charade now being forced upon them.

Not one Labour councillor had the courage to turn up and meet these people. Not one solitary managerial figure from social work or care services. Yet they purport to represent the interests of the learning disability community. It would appear that they represent only themselves and their parties. What they seem to share is an abhorrence for democratic accountability.

Behind closed doors they make decisions that have a profound and disturbing effect on the lives of our most vulnerable communities. Meanwhile they argue that their true desire is to empower these same communities. This is an audacious and contemptible piece of humbug. People with learning disabilities are empowered through themselves, their families and their wider community. This attempt to close down their day centres is a brutal and cynical assault on that same community.

One question for the cross-party politicians now taking an interest in this disgraceful affair: what exactly is the role of the Scottish Government in all of this? Here in Glasgow the philosophy of personalisation has been transformed into an economic theory that has at its base a cynical political maxim: divide and conquer, and whose sole objective is to isolate and exploit the individual.

Those councillors who meet at George Square on Thursday to ratify a decision that in principle was made long ago should bow their heads in shame, and then resign.

GG.

Posted by: GG 25th Mar 2013, 07:52am

How the Metro reported Friday's development:

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No drama, no fuss, just a modest Square deal will do

Toned-down plans to overhaul George Square in Glasgow were passed yesterday after council bosses abandoned more 'radical' designs.

The square will have the red tarmac stripped and grass put back in at a cost of £500,000.

The decision comes after council leader Gordon Matheson announced a contest to redesign the civic space was off.

The international contest cost taxpayers an estimated £100,000 and architecture firms twice that amount.

Proposals included removing the statues and installing fountains. However, this provoked public outcry and despite choosing a winning design, the council chose not to award the contract.

GG

Posted by: wee davy 25th Mar 2013, 07:18pm

smile.gif

Posted by: GG 21st Apr 2013, 07:45pm

Councillor Matheson has been reported to the Public Standards Commissioner over his alleged attempts to interfere and bully the contest for the revamp of George Square. Apparently, the council leader's main defence against the allegations made by the council's recently-retired lead architect and projects director will be that he was acting according to the will of the people of Glasgow!

QUOTE
Matheson accused of trying to fix George Square vote

THE Labour leader of Glasgow City Council has been accused of misconduct over the abandoned facelift of George Square, which if proved could end his career.

The accusations are based on the claims of a former council officer.

Gordon Matheson is now the subject of a complaint to Scotland's ethics watchdog alleging he repeatedly violated the Councillors' Code of Conduct during the design competition for the £15 million project.

Matheson last night said he was confident of being cleared.

He faces claims of interfering in a legally binding procurement process, improper bias, attempted staff coercion and of trying to "steer" the contest in favour of his preferred design.

The complaint was sent last week to the Public Standards Commissioner, who has the power to disqualify councillors, by the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland (RIAS), the professional body which ran the £100,000 design competition for the council. ...

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/matheson-accused-of-trying-to-fix-george-square-vote.20862481

GG.

Posted by: Guest 22nd Apr 2013, 03:34am

I dont think Cllr Matheson has anything to worry about as its not as if this agency is likely to bring down the Labour leader of a council in a Labour stronghold like Glasgow. Look at the Purcell saga for an example of how things will just be brushed under the carpet.

Posted by: tamhickey 22nd Apr 2013, 09:42am

Allegations of corruption, drug dealing, sexual offences yet not one of these guys gets taken to court. This has been going on for years within the "Labour" Party and I for one am sick of it! These people are a disgrace to the folk they purport to represent. Mathieson doesn't have a bloody clue and ought to go, but do you seriously think the next turncoat will be any better? I'm afraid the Labour ranks are filled with these posturing imbeciles now.

Posted by: GG 26th Apr 2013, 05:23pm

Tam, it looks like the process of investigating the George Square Fiasco is shuffling along to the next stage, at least according to the Herald today:

QUOTE
Glasgow leader Gordon Matheson faces police probe call

Police are facing a call to investigate the role of the leader of Glasgow City Council in the George Square redevelopment fiasco.

A member of the public has lodged a formal complaint with Police Scotland calling for a probe into allegations Gordon Matheson directly interfered in the competition for a £15 million redesign of the square and attempted to coerce council staff to do the same.

It is claimed Mr Matheson attempted to interfere in a legally defined European procurement process.

The complainant names two council officials who he alleges were asked to ensure members of the jury of experts, who were to select the winning design, favoured the submission Mr Matheson picked. ...

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/city-leader-faces-police-probe-call.20916713

GG.

Posted by: GG 26th Apr 2013, 05:29pm

Got a spare 10 minutes? A quite ludicrous performance.

As for Mr Matheson saying that, prior to entering into the EU procurement process, he had no idea that the people of Glasgow had no desire for a major revamp of George Square ... ohmy.gif .

http://news.stv.tv/politics/222621-bernard-ponsonby-interviews-gordon-matheson-over-george-square-row/

GG.

Posted by: tamhickey 27th Apr 2013, 01:36am

Oh dear, a wee touch of paranoia creeping in there or what? Everybody who opposed his plans had "vested interests". The man just made himself look demonstrably silly by allowing himself to be grilled by the best political commentator in the land, Bernard Ponsonby. That is one journalist who takes no prisoners and who is always armed with the facts to back him up. He ought to have his own political show but then, there might well be too many politicians too scared to be tackled by him.

Posted by: GG 3rd Jun 2013, 05:57am

QUOTE
SNP demand George Square cash probe

The SNP has urged Audit Scotland to investigate the financial aspect of the George Square redesign contest after claims Labour-led Glasgow City Council paid judges thousands of pounds in expenses without receipts.

Reports in today's Sunday Herald reveal the council paid two of the four external judges £6000 on top of their fees without asking for any receipts.

The shambles of the project has already resulted in the spending watchdog investigating the council as part of its annual audit of the council's management.

Commenting Glasgow SNP group leader Graeme Hendry said:

"While no blame is attached to the judges on this latest scandal, this method of payment is just symptomatic of the council's cavalier approach to taxpayers' money.

"To pay expenses without seeking any evidence to show they were incurred is highly irregular and shows the level of chaos caused by Gordon Matheson's monumental failures in judgment over George Square.

"While this figure is only a fraction of the total wasted, I am sure Audit Scotland will be concerned by the practise.

"This adds to the impression that Councillor Matheson has no idea what happens with the finances of his council under his watch.

"It is vital Glasgow learns from the George Square fiasco and ensure that never again one councillor is allowed to waste so much money and cause so much damage to the city's reputation.

“Councillor Matheson's behaviour during the judging process seems to have been highly inappropriate and the Council need to ensure procedures are in place to prevent this happening in the future."

Full press release here:
http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2013/jun/snp-demand-george-square-cash-probe

GG.

Posted by: Harrymc 3rd Jun 2013, 12:34pm

Question; why is Matheson still in post?

Posted by: bilbo.s 3rd Jun 2013, 01:00pm

I heard he had a hold on somebody (allegedly!) cool.gif

Posted by: CAT 4th Jun 2013, 10:40am

This only my opinion but I have for a long time believed that Glasgow Council is corrupt to the core. Only when we stop voting labour and get the lot of them cleared out and start again will things change. I am sure there a few good guy's but the have pinned their colours to the mast of the corrupt self serving majority and have to go, if only until things are cleaned up.

Posted by: DavidT 4th Jun 2013, 12:23pm

I don't think you're far off the mark Cat. Read the first few lines of Tam Hickey's post at the top of the page. He's not even exaggerating. They've relied on and taken advantage of the traditional voting habits of Glasgow for long enough. They are a disgrace to the labour movement. Get them oot! Is there no way of having a vote of no confidence for an entire council?

Posted by: Heather 4th Jun 2013, 08:38pm

I wonder at the end of the revamp just how much is will finally cost.
It seems to me that the Council could find better ways to spend taxpayers money.

One example is my g'daughter's School.
Last week her class had a Parents Day and the parent's were not allowed in the classroom as part of the roof fell down a while ago and has still not been repaired.
Apparently the Head Teacher did not want the parents to see the state of the classroom although the children had told their parent's about it.

Posted by: wombat 5th Jun 2013, 09:23pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 3rd Jun 2013, 02:08pm) *
I heard he had a hold on somebody (allegedly!) cool.gif

rolleyes.gif mibbie the policemans ball ? yes.gif

Posted by: Lydyabin 6th Jun 2013, 02:25am

QUOTE (DavidT @ 4th Jun 2013, 12:31pm) *
I don't think you're far off the mark Cat. Read the first few lines of Tam Hickey's post at the top of the page. He's not even exaggerating. They've relied on and taken advantage of the traditional voting habits of Glasgow for long enough. They are a disgrace to the labour movement. Get them oot! Is there no way of having a vote of no confidence for an entire council?

The problem of voting or not voting for Labour is the alternative. On one hand you have the social Darwinists and on the other; the social engineers.

Posted by: Guesst 8th Jun 2013, 09:34am

QUOTE (Harrymc @ 3rd Jun 2013, 12:42pm) *
Question; why is Matheson still in post?

As was the case of J. Edgar Hoover; when you know where the bodies are burried youre home and hosed.

Posted by: farrochie 9th Jun 2013, 08:29am

There is still a body of support in the general public, apparently, that leads to Labour getting the majority of Scots MPs at Westminster and councillors in Glasgow and elsewhere. Support, at least when it comes to voting, that may be as much about keeping the Tories out of Scotland and the councils. However, as we have seen, no matter how Scotland votes, it is the big constituencies comprising "middle England" voters that decide Westminster. The SNP and others are making inroads in the councils in many places.

Scotland has made a big political change at Holyrood. The changes at local government level and at Westminster require voters to completely change their mindset. Till that happens, George Sq and similar issues, and the big Westminster issues (wars, MPs on the make and on the take, unelected Lords) will continue to be with us.

For me, it's time for independence.

Posted by: DavidT 9th Jun 2013, 09:47am

Aye Farrochie, if only there was a way of cleaning up the city (and the country) laugh.gif


Posted by: Scotsman 11th Jun 2013, 09:45am

Its on the BBC site that the police have dropped its case against cooncillor Matheson. The story says that they could find no evidence of any crime being committed when the cooncillor dumped the George Square revamp plans he didnae like. The story also says that there are still 2 other investigations looking at what happened. There was £100 grand wasted.... surely somebody has got to pay for that!!

Posted by: d.c. 14th Jun 2013, 09:45am

QUOTE
George Square goes back to the future for 2014 Games

THIS is how George Square in Glasgow will look in time for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

The unpopular red surface will be replaced with a temporary grey resin, the two flowerbeds which were ripped up about 15 years ago will be re-instated and the statues cleaned.

Following the public outcry over the design competition to revamp the square, Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson scrapped a £15million redesign.

...

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/george-square-goes-back-to-the-future-for-2014-games-127349n.21338028

Posted by: CAT 14th Jun 2013, 10:01am

I can't believe we elect these morons to spend all that money only to go back to where we started in the first place. If they had listened to public opinion ........ who I am I to say I only help pay for this.
I seriously want a job on the council it's the only place I know where you can mess up big time cost your organisation millions and get to keep your job.

Posted by: carmella 16th Jun 2013, 10:52pm

They totally spoiled George Square as we all know a number of years ago.

When I was much younger, I thought it was a great place, so you're right bring back the dignity that was once there, and forget all this other stuff.

Posted by: Tennscot 18th Jun 2013, 06:57pm

I agree ,Carmella My memories are like yours Just a wee bit older. Like the song sez "Everything old is new again"

Posted by: Scotsman 19th Jun 2013, 10:48am

Totally agree.... they have spent millions tearing up the square and misusing it and now they are going back to what it used to be like. The politicians who caused all this in the first place should be made to pay for this mess out of their own pockets.

Posted by: DavidT 19th Jun 2013, 10:58am

If you stick a 'no ball games' sign in the middlevif the square..maybe the cooncil will stay oot ae it laugh.gif

Posted by: CAT 19th Jun 2013, 11:01am

QUOTE (DavidT @ 19th Jun 2013, 11:06am) *
If you stick a 'no ball games' sign in the middlevif the square..maybe the cooncil will stay oot ae it laugh.gif

These guy's would problably have a permit issued FOC by one of their pals.

Posted by: Purplefan 19th Jun 2013, 06:21pm

i was watching the telly and i'm sure i saw George square in a advert
for Brad pitt's latest film.

Posted by: DavidT 19th Jun 2013, 06:37pm

QUOTE (Purplefan @ 19th Jun 2013, 06:29pm) *
i was watching the telly and i'm sure i saw George square in a advert
for Brad pitt's latest film.

ohmy.gif What? They didnae even disguise it? What gave it away? Was it the chewing gum on the red tarmac or the overflowing bins or the zombies eating sausage rolls oota Greggs bags? Aye Purple..World War Z was filmed in the mean streets ae Glesga. Probably because of its resemblance to a post apocalyptic wasteland biggrin.gif

Posted by: Purplefan 19th Jun 2013, 06:44pm

If you look close you can see a quick shot of greggs. Where did they get all them yellow cabs from?

Posted by: wombat 20th Jun 2013, 11:10pm

QUOTE (DavidT @ 19th Jun 2013, 07:45pm) *
ohmy.gif What? They didnae even disguise it? What gave it away? Was it the chewing gum on the red tarmac or the overflowing bins or the zombies eating sausage rolls oota Greggs bags? Aye Purple..World War Z was filmed in the mean streets ae Glesga. Probably because of its resemblance to a post apocalyptic wasteland biggrin.gif


and its gothic architecture rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 21st Jun 2013, 06:57pm

According to the Evening Times today, income from touting out George Square to the highest bidder actually fell last year to the derisory sum of £17,420. And that doesn't include clean-up costs. Compare that paltry sum to the £100,000 the leader of the council wasted on a cancelled re-design competition ... or to the £15 million of public money that still remains set aside for a 'revamp'.

A quick calculation shows that it will take 862 years for the council to recoup the £15M thrown at the revamp ... and that doesn't factor in for inflation!

To be fair to the council bosses, they say "passionately believe" that the George Square events attract tourists who spend money, but, so far, the council has yet to prove this case.

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 26th Jun 2013, 08:52am

A story in the Evening Times says that work is starting on tarting up George Square to make it look clean for the 2014 games visitors. That work is going to cost half a million pounds itself. And when you think that many thousands in Glasgow are now relying on food banks to feed their families you have to think about whether this is money well spent.

Posted by: CAT 26th Jun 2013, 03:48pm

I just really don't think that this is a priority at the moment there are worse parts of the city that the visitors will see. The council should get their priorities right.

Last night I went along to the commonwealth pool at Tollcross and from what I saw the pool looks exactlay the same as before. The only difference being an extension at the back to house another spectators gallery and the gym has been improved. At cost of £14m this is another overspend as far as I can see at that cost. To say it has improved facilities for the public is ridiculous the pool and changing rooms aren't any better. The upgrade to the gym was it worth it..No as they have installed an excellent new facility at the Emirates Arena a few minutes along the road. So as far as I can see we have spent £14m and waited 2 years without a local pool just to get some seating which after the event will rarely be used.

Posted by: ew1dim 26th Jun 2013, 06:09pm

Totally agree with you CAT.... these councillors are so far removed from the reality of day-to-day living that they have no idea what ordinary people want. Its ridiculous for them to be spending so much money on tarting up selected parts of the city for the Mickey Mouse Games that last barely a fortnight. If these same councillors actually ventured out beyond the privilege of city chambers they would see that people are not in the slightest bit interested in a third rate sporting event.

Posted by: Scotsman 27th Jun 2013, 10:43am

QUOTE (CAT @ 26th Jun 2013, 03:56pm) *
I just really don't think that this is a priority at the moment there are worse parts of the city that the visitors will see. The council should get their priorities right.

Last night I went along to the commonwealth pool at Tollcross and from what I saw the pool looks exactlay the same as before. The only difference being an extension at the back to house another spectators gallery and the gym has been improved. At cost of £14m this is another overspend as far as I can see at that cost. To say it has improved facilities for the public is ridiculous the pool and changing rooms aren't any better. The upgrade to the gym was it worth it..No as they have installed an excellent new facility at the Emirates Arena a few minutes along the road. So as far as I can see we have spent £14m and waited 2 years without a local pool just to get some seating which after the event will rarely be used.

Absolutely agree with you CAT.... I visited with the grand weans just after it opened again in May and was disappointed to see that there really wasnt much difference. The changing rooms were where we needed changes and they are still the same. The £14m would have been better spent on more staff to keep things clean and fresh. I really dont see why these changes cost so much and took so long??

Posted by: CAT 27th Jun 2013, 11:04am

I have just read on Glasgow life there is a new training pool as well as the big pool with the lanes I didn't see this. However the family pool hasn't changed a bit and is still very small and over crowded. This just say's to me that these improvements were made for a small minority of swimmers and no thought given to the everday families (council tax payers) and kids who want to use it. And your right scotsman the changing rooms are still the same. 14 MILLION POUNDS !!! I want ma money back. angry.gif

Posted by: GG 10th Jul 2013, 10:12pm

It's seems like the concept of 'zero-sum' is one that Glasgow city councillors have yet to grasp. Given their track record, it's no surprise.

QUOTE
Plan to ban cars from George Square

Private cars could be banned from the north side of George Square under plans drawn up by Glasgow City Council.

The proposal would see a bus gate opened to reduce traffic in the area by up to 70%.

Roads bosses also plan to ban all vehicles, except bicycles, from the section of George Square in front of the City Chambers.

They said the moves, which have gone out to consultation, could reduce congestion and pollution in the area.

The bus gate would be introduced at the West Nile Street access to Nelson Mandela Place. ...

Full story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-23256210

Elsewhere, Neil Greig, of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, made it clear that he was concerned the new traffic rules would result in congestion in other parts of the city. He questioned whether the changes would have much impact on pollution.

Mr Greig said:
QUOTE
"The council is trying to develop the area as a pedestrian location but often these things have unintended consequences.They need to very carefully monitor where the traffic is going and any congestion problems.

In my view, most of the pollution comes from vans, lorries and buses belching out diesel fumes. I don't see removing private cars from the city centre will make that much of a difference."

GG.

Posted by: farci 11th Jul 2013, 09:04am

QUOTE (GG @ 10th Jul 2013, 11:20pm) *
Elsewhere, Neil Greig, of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, made it clear that he was concerned the new traffic rules would result in congestion in other parts of the city. He questioned whether the changes would have much impact on pollution.
"In my view, most of the pollution comes from vans, lorries and buses belching out diesel fumes. I don't see removing private cars from the city centre will make that much of a difference".

Mr Greig quite rightly draws attention to the need for better emissions control but 35 years ago Buchanan Street was pedestrianised to the accompaniment of predictions of gloom and doom.

GG is correct that the cooncil often goes for a quick fix without thinking through the consequences. That's no reason to oppose what should be a very positive move towards a more pleasant city centre

Posted by: d.c. 3rd Sep 2013, 11:25am

The red tarmac in George Square is almost gone:
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2983

Posted by: carmella 3rd Sep 2013, 12:57pm

I confess to being a bit of a traditionalist in many areas. My big passion in life is area conservation, and building conservation/preservation/saving from doom - where at all possible.

I don't care in any way for modern buildings and construction, except in a very few cases where modern buildings are outstanding in their design and merge beautifully with the old.

My favourites are Victorian and Georgian designs. As we all know Glasgow is known as the Second City, it was at one time beautiful, as were many other cities - they are not duplicates of each other. This can be said for many cities in the UK.

I have my favourites, I love Glasgow and Edinburgh the most. Now when it comes to George Square, which if you were able to knock down the modern buildings looking onto the Square, and erect something more in keeping with the surrounding architecture - it would be fantastic. Step one, removing the red is a great move, and I can only hope that it can be restored to what I perceive is its former glory.

Why can't the highly paid city chambers employees (you all know who I mean) put taste back into the square, and try their utmost to bring it back to its glory, instead of trying to modernize, as they did when they made the decision to place red tarmac there in the first place, there seems to be some mad rush to make things modern - utter rubbish, red did not suit when it was done, and anyone with a bit of foresight would have been able to work that one out at the time it was agreed, so glad it's being removed.

Let's hope the final look is fitting to the great Square, and we can forget all this modernization of something which should be preserved as close to the original aspect as possible.

I have this wee thing that I like to do a couple of times a week - only because I have the time. I bring up google maps put a street name in i.e. Great Western Road, Glasgow, the road which was the M1 of its day in the 19th century, and I follow along the older part of it - it's good fun. What you see all the way out are the beautiful terraced houses - of which there are so many in Glasgow.

Glasgow has some beautiful buildings, in many different areas, it's actually a very beautiful city - which an unfortunate reputation.

Posted by: mlconnelly 3rd Sep 2013, 02:11pm

I take virtual walks down streets as well Carmella and its usually when I have to go somewhere that I don't know too well. I plot my route on Google maps and then use the street view to find landmarks close to where I'm going but also enjoy looking at the old building in the process. I love the fact that the higher you look, the more ornate these buildings get. New builds, to my mind, have no character or soul. Mary

Posted by: carmella 3rd Sep 2013, 02:32pm

Mary I totally agree with you, new buildings have no soul, but they do say what is ugly to some people is beauty to others, so I don't know if that makes us right or wrong, I just know what I like.

You're right too about using street views. I have in the past put an address in too and looked for some landmark that I would see from the car - know I'm at least closeby.

Mary if you like old, you should put in Charleston, South Carolina, into google - oh my what a most beautiful place that must be to live. If only I could visit that place one day I'd be a happy bunny. I heard it was beautiful, but last week I took a virtual tour, ending up looking at some houses with the ocean view - give yourself a treat.

Posted by: mlconnelly 3rd Sep 2013, 02:56pm

I will do that Carmella. I'm a big fan of Georgette Heyer Regency novels and love wandering round the London streets she mentions in her books as lots of the original buildings are still there. Mary biggrin.gif

Posted by: carmella 3rd Sep 2013, 06:58pm

QUOTE (mlconnelly @ 3rd Sep 2013, 03:54pm) *
I will do that Carmella. I'm a big fan of Georgette Heyer Regency novels and love wandering round the London streets she mentions in her books as lots of the original buildings are still there. Mary biggrin.gif


Another city with the most gorgeous architecture.

Posted by: Rab 4th Sep 2013, 09:35pm

QUOTE (mlconnelly @ 3rd Sep 2013, 03:09pm) *
I take virtual walks down streets as well Carmella and its usually when I have to go somewhere that I don't know too well. I plot my route on Google maps and then use the street view to find landmarks close to where I'm going but also enjoy looking at the old building in the process. I love the fact that the higher you look, the more ornate these buildings get. New builds, to my mind, have no character or soul. Mary


As we walk along streets in towns and cities, how many of us look up? My Dad told me to do this and its amazing what you can see of building design of the past. Its very entertaining I think. I brought up my two sons to do the same.

Posted by: carmella 4th Sep 2013, 11:06pm

Several years ago, I took a distant relative of mine who lived in Cornwall, up to Glasgow for a day's shopping and lunch etc. She was about 20 years younger than me, and had 'heard some bad stuff' about Glasgow so didn't really want to go.

Well, she went with me on the train from Ayr - as we progressed through the streets that's exactly what I told her to do was to look up at some of the fantastic buildings and how they were architecturally finished to the highest standards. She was amazed, my only concern that day was that I knew she and I didn't have enough time to make the trip again and do more of the sights in Glasgow, because it was not what she expected to see, after what she had heard about the city - she was most pleasantly surprised.

Always look up and take in as much as possible.

Posted by: d.c. 2nd Nov 2013, 04:47pm

I see that the George Square webcam has been repositioned towards the centre of the City Chambers, and now gives a better view of the square:

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2983

Posted by: farci 3rd Nov 2013, 09:26am

QUOTE (d.c. @ 2nd Nov 2013, 05:36pm) *
I see that the George Square webcam has been repositioned towards the centre of the City Chambers, and now gives a better view of the square:

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2983

Very nice - pity they didn't reset the webcam clock from British Summer Time!

Posted by: carmella 4th Nov 2013, 01:34pm

It's a shame it only updates every 20 secs, but nice to watch just the same.

Posted by: DavidT 4th Nov 2013, 02:39pm

If we all go there at the same time and take one step every 20 seconds they might think it's on the blink laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 4th Nov 2013, 07:03pm

I took the picture below a few weeks ago. It shows the square before some tacky sporting event – can't recall which one. Anyway, it shows – as usual – a complete disrespect by the council for the sanctity of the Cenotaph, with the pushing of portaloos right up to near the edge of the monument for the men and women who gave their lives for their country. Previously, when such tacky events were being foisted on George Square, the portaloos would have been at the other end of the square.

Also noteworthy is how councillors have removed the many tall trees which once flanked the memorial, leaving it looking much less imposing. No doubt, this will be a precursor for further reducing the prominence of the Cenotaph, just so that they can squeeze in a few more paying customers at a pop concert.

GG.


 

Posted by: carmella 5th Nov 2013, 07:00am

So short-sighted of the councillors in my opinion, as well as disrespectful.

I think they should have left the trees, I wonder what these people are thinking about sometimes.

Posted by: dugald 6th Nov 2013, 11:59am

And you can't blame Westminster for this travesty! Timely too, isn't it? Well, maybe it's just the mention of the proximity of the loos to the war memorial that's timely... anyway it's a good time to bring it to our attention.

Posted by: GG 6th Nov 2013, 11:23pm

I know a lot of issues seem to be descending into partisan beliefs, Dugald, but surely respect for the dead should know no boundaries. Whoever made the decision to park Portaloos next to the Cenotaph should be identified and held responsible. But, of course, this is Glasgow...

GG.

Posted by: GG 6th Nov 2013, 11:29pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 5th Nov 2013, 07:17am) *
So short-sighted of the councillors in my opinion, as well as disrespectful.

I think they should have left the trees, I wonder what these people are thinking about sometimes.

Completely agree, Carmella. I think that the biggest problem is that the people in power today don't even take/have the time to think anymore. There seems to be a top-down, groupthink mentality about decisions concerning Glasgow, and that surely has to be very worrying for all Glaswegians.

GG.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Nov 2013, 08:12am

QUOTE (dugald @ 6th Nov 2013, 12:16pm) *
And you can't blame Westminster for this travesty! Timely too, isn't it?


Who was blaming Westminster dugald?

Posted by: dugald 10th Nov 2013, 12:32pm

"And you can't blame Westminster for this travesty! "

You're right of course Jagz, no one blamed Westminster. I'm employing here a childish form of sarcastic humour. Wasn't meant to harm anyone

Posted by: d.c. 15th Apr 2014, 03:15pm

Last year's revamp of George Square, in time for the Commonwealth Games, included a clean up of the Cenotaph as well as the various statues and their plinths.

They all looked quite impressive when the square was re-opened to the public. But this is a view of the Cenotaph today. It along with some of the statue plinths are looking worse now than they were before the clean up operation.






Posted by: Scotsman 15th Apr 2014, 03:50pm

How can this be if it has just been cleaned??

Surely this is not going to be left this way for the WWI commemorations events later this year as that would not look good at all. Does not look good at anytime to be honest because it is a special place.

Come on the councilors time to get back in the good books with some action as they must be able to see this from their windows.

Posted by: d.c. 15th Apr 2014, 03:55pm

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 15th Apr 2014, 05:07pm) *
How can this be if it has just been cleaned??

Surely this is not going to be left this way for the WWI commemorations events later this year as that would not look good at all. Does not look good at anytime to be honest because it is a special place.

Come on the councilors time to get back in the good books with some action as they must be able to see this from their windows.

If you look at the photo posted by GG about 10 posts up from this, that's how the Cenotaph was looking a few months ago after the clean up. I was quite shocked and disappointed today to see the state of it, especially with so many foreign visitors here for the Easter holidays taking photos of it at the same time as me.

Posted by: GG 15th Apr 2014, 11:00pm

Thanks d.c. for the photo. I had noticed a deterioration a few weeks ago now that you mention it, but what you show is far worse than I remember. I was thinking that the problem might be the pigeons and that maybe the anti-pigeon devices were removed during the clean-up, but when I checked old photos of the Cenotaph I couldn't see any then either!

I don't get how it got so bad in under six months?

GG.

Posted by: d.c. 16th Apr 2014, 09:24am

There was a troops homecoming event just 2 weeks ago. If the Cenotaph was in that state then, I am surprised that it wasn't picked up by the media.

Probably no point in trying to take it up with the council and so after posting it here, I submitted a copy of the photo to the Evening Times journalist who was reporting on the George Square revamp last year. An acknowledgement has been received, but nothing to say whether the issue will be revisited.

I have since submitted it to the Daily Record too.

Posted by: GG 3rd May 2014, 09:27pm

Hi d.c.,

Looks like your photo submissions might have done the trick as I noticed that there was work being done to the Cenotaph this week, including cleaning the green algae from the central column. Probably one of the newspapers you submitted your photo to sent it to the council PR department so that they could contain the damage without it being made know to the public.

Well done anyway; most important thing is that it was cleaned!

(P.S. I moved your Matheson post to the Matheson topic to keep things together.)

GG.

Posted by: d.c. 3rd May 2014, 09:41pm

Thanks GG, that's good to know something is being done. I was last in the square at the beginning of the week, or maybe last weekend, and nothing was happening at that point.

Posted by: GG 4th May 2014, 11:55am

Took these towards end of last week, d.c..

GG.




 

Posted by: d.c. 4th May 2014, 12:32pm

The improvement is obvious in those latest pics. I hope that they keep on top of the problem now, at least with the Cenotaph, if not the various other statue plinths too. It does look as if it is now an issue that might need regular attention.

Posted by: ashfield 4th May 2014, 12:46pm

I think the problem might be it's close proximity to the City Chambers and it being covered in some of the overspill rolleyes.gif

Posted by: d.c. 24th May 2014, 08:58am

George Square was handed over to BBC Radio 1's Big Weekend last night, when top DJs performed to a crowd of 14,000 music fans.

(Some might question why the Square had to be used for this event. Glasgow Green is being used for the main event tonight, when a crowd of 50,000 is expected).

The main stage was at the west side of the Square but for around 5 minutes of last night's several hour show, the crowd was asked to turn and face the City Chambers as something amazing was about to happen ... they were then treated to this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ep3g9r/videos/p01zpxr8#p01zpxgy

The City Chambers as you have probably never seen them before and the most amazing part is that Gordon Mathieson's face is nowhere to be seen.

(It might be tempting to give up at the start of the video, but I think it is worth persevering).

Posted by: ktv 11th Nov 2014, 01:36pm

QUOTE
Light shows mark Glasgow connection to First World War

Two light shows will be held in George Square later to mark the experiences of Glaswegians during the First World War.

One of the shows will see film, images and audio projected onto Glasgow City Chambers during a 27-minute narrative.

Simultaneously, a second show will beam the names of every Glaswegian who fell during the conflict on to the Cenotaph.

There will be seven screenings of "Glasgow's War" at 19:00, 19:45, 20:30, 21:15, 22:00, 22:45 and 23:27.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29994301

Posted by: Guest 22nd Nov 2014, 01:37am

I travelled to Glasgow and to George Square the morning after Remembrance Day in order to pay my respects to our fallen heroes and to read the wreaths and messages left the day before. I could not get access because there were huge trucks and construction vehicles parked all around the Cenotaph. I asked one of the many men in yellow jackets what was going on and I was told that it was the start of the Christmas festival preparations.

What a thoroughly disgusting way to treat our fallen comrades. Dignity? I most certainly think not. I may think twice about making that long journey again.

Posted by: GG 27th Nov 2014, 07:55pm

Sorry to read about your experience and concerns, Guest. Certainly this has been a problem for the last few years now, where George Square is quickly reduced to a tacky, expensive funfair during the Christmas period, and the process of degrading our most revered civic square starts the day after Armistice Day. While Glasgow councillors claim to respect our fallen heroes one day, the next they are moving in the heavy equipment and chainsaws that so disrupted your own visit.

GG.




 

Posted by: GG 18th Dec 2014, 12:44am

More loss of dignity for George Square planned:

QUOTE
George Square Hotel plans skywards expansion

It has stood on George Square longer than any other building, its Victorian heart unchanged for generations.

But now the Millennium Hotel - better known to most Glaswegians as the Copthorne - has announced dramatic plans to expand skyward in to a "futuristic" extension.

Owners Millennium & Copthorne Hotels say they have been forced in to the move thanks to two equally dramatic developments now set to go ahead, whether they like it or not.

The first is the multi-storey car park directly behind them that has already received outline planning permission as part a council-backed scheme to turn Buchanan Galleries in to a supermall.

The second is equally significant revamp to Queen Street station that will see the hotel lose more than 50 rooms as an existing 1970s extension is bulldozed.

So the new design - although still to be formally unveiled - will both replace the rooms lost and hide the giant parking lot.

In doing so, it will change the skyline of the city's premier civic space forever.

A spokesman for Millennium & Copthorne Hotels said: "The proposed car park will loom over the hotel building, overshadowing George Square. ...

Full story here:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/historic-george-square-hotel-plans-skywards-expansion-to-mask-proposed-192098n.114718013#disqus_thread

GG.

 

Posted by: Guest 4th Feb 2015, 08:06am

Was in the square at the end of January and the benches were nowhere to be seen. Very disappointing as I fancied a wee seat in the square.

Does anyone know why they were not there?

Posted by: GG 19th Aug 2015, 11:27pm

The stupidity of Glasgow's politicians (most notably the failed and rather silly council leader Gordon Matheson) almost beggars belief.

QUOTE
Shelved: £15m George Square facelift is put on ice

A planned £15million upgrade of George Square has been put on hold indefinitely.

In 2012, city council leader Gordon Matheson launched a design competition to give the historic heart of the city a new look.

It attracted entries from some of the best architects in the world, a shortlist was drawn up and a winner announced.

But within minutes of the announcement, Mr Matheson said the facelift plan had been scrapped as it did not have the backing of the public.

Instead, he said the square would get a makeover in time for the Commonweath Games in 2014 and promised the £15m upgrade would be carried out once the sporting event left town.

In July 2013, the Evening Times was told a report would go before councillors within weeks suggesting the permanent improvements which should be made.

And council bosses vowed the public would be asked their views about any planned improvements. ...

Full story here:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13612246.George_Square_revamp_on_hold/

The following is always worth a wee watch just for the pure comedy value:

Ponsonby interviews Matheson over George Square row
http://news.stv.tv/west-central/222621-bernard-ponsonby-interviews-gordon-matheson-over-george-square-row/

GG.

Posted by: kiltie2 20th Aug 2015, 08:14am

Excellent GG! well, watch them squirm smile.gif love it! sent this link to a pal in Wales, they have their own fair share of "Mathison's" and no pun intended, we are not talking Turkey! OUCH! that was just bad sad.gif