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> Should Council Evict Occupy Glasgow?, Legal stand-off in George Square
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post 10th Nov 2011, 06:56pm
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Maybe it's a good thing Canada gets cold. I think the weather would discourage protestors after a while. The protesters have made their point, now that they have organized and discussed. Maybe it's now time for them to lobby or create an official organization to enact change? .

I have just read this comment in one of our newspapers .

This makes sense to me ,assumming that those occupiers /protesters
are truly more than just squatters .


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post 10th Nov 2011, 07:23pm
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You may be right Angel, but have they made their point? I think all protests go through phases and right now it appears to me that they are at the "awareness raising" stage. What's going on reminds me of what the theatre group, 7:84 did, their name stemming from statistics published in 1966 that showed 7% of the British population held 84% of the wealth. Times may have changed but not enough to change things for those who are at the bottom of the finance ladder.

I am honestly bewildered why anyone would complain about what these young people are trying to do..............excepting those who are getting the ridiculously high salaries and bonuses of course.


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post 10th Nov 2011, 11:27pm
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QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 10th Nov 2011, 06:22pm) *
You and a few others. (Eh, Melody and Kennedy?) biggrin.gif
I never thought I'd see myself supporting anything that even resembled the meerest hint of a whiff of socialism but ... there you go. rolleyes.gif
If there was an *"Occupy Basel" I'd honestly go over the border and sit it out with them every afternoon. (I'm committed to walking a dog each morning and Mary doesn't care what I do during the day so long as I'm home in time to prepare her evening meal ... she brings home the bacon in our house and it's almost the half of her wages that go in taxes and insurance contributions as a single woman with no kids).
You could say I've seen the light ... Not that one Wee Davy. rolleyes.gif

* There is a group who still haven't got themselves organised into "Occupying" a particular site in Basel.

if there were an occupy Basel or an occupy Berlin the water cannons would be out and the Swiss and German Police would be there. Armed, Dangerous and not standing for any crap.
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post 10th Nov 2011, 11:42pm
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QUOTE (ashfield @ 10th Nov 2011, 05:49pm) *
You may be right Angel, but have they made their point? I think all protests go through phases and right now it appears to me that they are at the "awareness raising" stage. What's going on reminds me of what the theatre group, 7:84 did, their name stemming from statistics published in 1966 that showed 7% of the British population held 84% of the wealth. Times may have changed but not enough to change things for those who are at the bottom of the finance ladder.

I am honestly bewildered why anyone would complain about what these young people are trying to do..............excepting those who are getting the ridiculously high salaries and bonuses of course.

Ash , I think that these protestors have now made their point , That being a more balanced distribution of wealth , to those who are financially less fortunate , but I'm not sure what that means . ... if you have 10million dollars and I have 2million ,does this mean that you must share your good fortune with me because I have less , in fact I would be financially deprived , I don't think so ! you worked very hard for your money , and I probably not....Now having said that I do believe that the time for change is long past , the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, thats been the war cry forever . and how to change this whole system is beyond compehension and I don't think that those occupiers will ever achive that , certainly not in a tent .

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The Occupy movement, if they see the wisdom of not being defined as violent by resisting demands to leave, can lead in the continuing a fight not against capitalism but for democracy to be the greater value than greed.

And there remains the contradiction of controlling the use of a public space when it's not theirs to control. Our economic system may be broken, but it would appear our democratic institutions remain intact. The occupiers have made their point, and if council asks them to leave and they refuse, it becomes an illegal usurpation. The next step is obvious and unsavoury for all.

If they want that space, then in three years' time they can run for council and turn it into an urban campground if elected.


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post 10th Nov 2011, 11:45pm
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QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th Nov 2011, 10:53pm) *
if there were an occupy Basel or an occupy Berlin the water cannons would be out and the Swiss and German Police would be there. Armed, Dangerous and not standing for any crap.

Not so. The Frankfurt business centre is occupied ... as is Berlin.
Can't imagine any of the Swiss Banks being occupied although I'm not sure about Bern.

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Yes ... Bern, Zurich (with 1000 protestors) etc.

"Occupy Switzerland"
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By lunchtime the trams that snake through the square past the UBS and Credit Suisse Swiss headquarters had been cancelled as the crowd swelled.

http://www.wearechange.org/?p=10105


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post 11th Nov 2011, 07:47am
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If anyone cares to watch the video that Martin has shared, you will see that there are many groups in society represented at the demonstration. It would appear to me that everyone involved is passionate about helping the least well off in society at the expense of those who could afford to do so. Why should we continue to prop up the banks and Insurance companies at the expense of the poor, low paid, pensioners and the sick as well as the closing down of schools, libraries, community halls worldwide?
The ordinary working man didn't cause this debacle, but he's paying for it and if we don't listen to the millions of voices protesting against it, we are saddling generations with further debt repayments.
Greece is bust, so is Italy, Ireland, Iceland and possibly Spain and Portugal. The USA is only kept afloat due to Chinese bonds. The UK is skint as well, yet all we see are millionaire politicians telling us we are all in this together. Guess who gets hit hardest?
Single parents, and all of the above previously mentioned, ie the poorest sections of society.
Had it not been for these young people highlighting the obvious dichotomy between Government and their people, the rest of us may well have just shrugged our shoulders and allowed it to pass without comment. To me, they have shown that they are not apathetic to politics which young people have been accused of in the past and are standing up for all of us, worldwide.
No-one else is doing this are they?
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post 11th Nov 2011, 12:53pm
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Well said, Tam. Entirely agree with you. wink.gif


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post 13th Nov 2011, 11:02pm
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Some photos from Armistice Day in George Square.

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post 13th Nov 2011, 11:15pm
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And the fence around the grassed square which the Occupy Glasgow protesters were using was either being put back up or coming down – didn't realise which!

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post 13th Nov 2011, 11:24pm
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Probably preparing the Square for the Christmas decorations.

Some of the Christmas lights in Baillieston Main Street are up. smile.gif


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post 13th Nov 2011, 11:31pm
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You might be right, Heather. The area where the anti-greed protesters were (joined by some homeless people) is where the council puts the depiction of the manger scene. I think that's what they call irony ... evicted to make way for baby Jesus!

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post 17th Nov 2011, 12:52pm
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Classic!! Those pesky protestors are back again.... tongue.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15774479
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post 17th Nov 2011, 01:05pm
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A Glasgow City Council spokesman said: "We have done everything we can to balance their right to protest with the right of people to enjoy their city."

"It's wrong for a tiny, unrepresentative group to make life difficult for Glaswegians and we urge them to see sense."

Can anyone explain exactly how the protestors are making life difficult for Glaswegians? unsure.gif


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post 17th Nov 2011, 06:55pm
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Agreed. It is simply ludicrous that a.... ahem.... left-wing council should yet again go out of its way to attack members of a peaceful protest. As far as I ken the Blythswood is not council land so why does this mouthpiece have to stick his big neb in?? If the council has nothing else to do then here is a wee clue for them.... Sauchiehall Street is in a disgraceful state.... any chance of cleaning it up a bit?? rolleyes.gif
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The following Freedom of Information request has been submitted to Glasgow City Council. The answers (or at least the response) should make interesting reading.

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Dear Glasgow City Council,

I would like to request information under the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act, 2002, in response to the below questions. Where there are no specific & relevant documents (such as agreement or plans) to provide information from, information from correspondence relevant to the substance of the question from within Legal, Parks and Public Safety Teams will suffice.

I gather under Section 15 of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act, 2002, that I am entitled to assistance from you in regards to this request for information. I would appreciate warning if any of the below questions will result in excessive cost or other exemptions being applied so that I might rephrase them to be more suitable.

Yours sincerely,

Henry Sullivan

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Q.1 What were the legal grounds on which the City Council presented to the Glasgow Sheriff Court to evict the Occupy Protesters from George Square?

Q.2 What are the terms of the agreement between the City Council and the Occupy Glasgow protesters formerly in George Square that resulted in their relocation to Kelvingrove Park?

Q.3 What alternative sites to George Square were offered to the Occupy Glasgow protesters before their relocation to Kelvingrove Park?

Q.4 Before the relocation, what amenities (e.g. food, water, fencing, portaloos, pallets etc.) and Council services (e.g. relocation support in terms of organisation and moving of equipment
and personal belongings, bin allocation & collection etc.) were offered by the City Council to the protesters at each sites offered (including Kelvingrove Park)?

Q.5 What amenities and services have the City Council provided to date to the Occupy Glasgow protesters now situated in Kelvingrove Park, either directly or through contractors?

Q.6 How much have these amenities and services cost in terms of equipment rental / purchase and staff overtime?

Q.7 What limits, if any, on the camp site have you informed the protesters of in regards to;
a) numbers of protesters
b) physical boundaries
c) behaviour
d) duration

Q.8 Does the City Council monitor the number of people and animals (both pets & livestock) within the protesters’ campsite?

Q.9 If the City Council has monitored the campsite, how often has done so?

Q.10 When will the current arrangements be reviewed by the City
Council & who will undertake it?

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/occu...incoming-226651

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