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Posted by: GG 8th May 2015, 07:43am

It took only a few hours for Labour's Glasgow citadel to crumble to the ground after years of uninterrupted mismanagement and contempt for Scotland's largest city. At 3am this morning, Patrick Grady became the first SNP MP elected for the party in Glasgow during a General Election, when he ousted Anne McKechin from the Glasgow North constituency by a margin of almost two to one.

After that unprecedented event, all of Glasgow's sitting Labour MPs – most of whom thought they would be in a cushy job for life – tumbled like shaking dominoes. Scottish Secretary Margaret Curran was next to be resolutely voted out by the scunnered voters of Glasgow East, the poorest, most deprived constituency in the UK. Not far behind, both in time and in the scale of endemic deprivation of the constituency, was Willie Bain, who 'nominally' represented Glasgow North East. With electoral swings that broke British records, Ian Davidson, Tom Harris, Anas Sarwar and John Robertson were all swiftly removed from their seats by the long-suffering people of Glasgow.

As the defeated and clearly shocked Labour MPs departed the count at the Emirates Arena – itself a shining symbol of how Labour has abandoned its once-proud working class history in the pursuit of style over substance – only a few party supporters remained to hear the SNP victory speeches.

Natalie McGarry, the newly-elected MP for Glasgow East by an overwhelming 10,387 votes, overturning a Labour lead of 11,840 votes, said:

QUOTE
"I would like to thank the constituency for placing their trust in me. My pledge to you is to be accessible and vocal on your behalf but also listening and active.

This victory is not for me alone; it is for every mother who has queued for a food bank, every member of the disabled community who has had benefits slashed, and for every lone parent who has suffered at the hands of austerity.

Whatever your opinion on Scotland's future may be, we have a lot of work to do. This election is about sharing the voices of people who live in Glasgow East.

We will fight for an end to austerity and the cuts tearing people's lives apart and some community like those in the east end. "

On a night of unrelenting failure, humiliation and embarrassment for the party, Jim Murphy, the Glasgow-born leader of Scottish Labour, lost his seat in East Renfrewshire after his 10,000 majority was unceremoniously overturned by the SNP's Kirsten Oswald. Following Murphy's defeat, ex-Labour MPs called for the Scottish Labour leader – who won his first Westminster election under Tony Blair – to resign immediately.

Across Scotland, the SNP won 56 of 59 Westminster seats.



SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon with her 'magnificent seven' Glasgow MPs.

Posted by: Guest 8th May 2015, 09:27am

To be honest, Labour were asking for it. Now, if we can get rid of them from the City Council, that would be great.


Posted by: *Liam* 8th May 2015, 09:53am

Glasgow lost its soul last night. Socialism is a nobler aspiration than nationalism. Independence will make the poor poorer.

The radical left in Scotland has been conned by the yellow rosettes.

Posted by: ElliotShinwell 8th May 2015, 09:58am

I don't know what the voters of Glasgow were thinking of. Fair enough a lot of voters want an independent Scotland, and I have no problem with that. But what voters all over the country have done is play in to the dirty, backstabbing Tories!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 8th May 2015, 10:01am

"Have to agree with you "Guest"
Time to get rid of the Ballast. I remember when as an apprentice one of my favourite journeymen was made Foreman and I was taken by surprise by how he changed everything around and when I mentioned how surpried I was he told me, "A new broom sweeps clean".

I guess we'll see some wet sawdust being sprinkled on the floor now as the New Broom starts to shift the dirt now.

Well done Scotland cool3.gif clap.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 10:09am

QUOTE (ElliotShinwell @ 8th May 2015, 11:06am) *
I don't know what the voters of Glasgow were thinking of. Fair enough a lot of voters want an independent Scotland, and I have no problem with that. But what voters all over the country have done is play in to the dirty, backstabbing Tories!

Perhaps if they hadn't climbed into bed with the "dirty, backstabbing Tories" and fought a positive campaign they may have faired a bit better Elliot.

Posted by: *Colin* 8th May 2015, 10:14am

It would not have mattered if Labour had won all 59 seats in Scotland we would still have a Tory government, we can't blame people in Scotland for a Tory England win, it does show that no matter how we vote up here we will always get shafted.

Posted by: emel 8th May 2015, 10:26am

QUOTE (ElliotShinwell @ 8th May 2015, 11:06am) *
I don't know what the voters of Glasgow were thinking of. Fair enough a lot of voters want an independent Scotland, and I have no problem with that. But what voters all over the country have done is play in to the dirty, backstabbing Tories!

Your famous surname may or may not have connections with the late 'Manny'? Suffice to say towers of the labour party such as him would be turning in his grave at recent antics of the Labour party in Scotland. It is sad to see how the once great Labour movement has been abused in recent years. Particularly by the Glasgow 7. It is now time to look forward with MPs who put Glasgow Electorate at front and centre of all they do.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 10:38am

QUOTE (*Liam* @ 8th May 2015, 11:01am) *
Glasgow lost its soul last night. Socialism is a nobler aspiration than nationalism. Independence will make the poor poorer.

The radical left in Scotland has been conned by the yellow rosettes.


I'd take those grapes back to the shop Liam, they taste really sour. yes.gif

Posted by: amclpreston 8th May 2015, 10:40am

QUOTE (*Liam* @ 8th May 2015, 10:01am) *
Glasgow lost its soul last night. Socialism is a nobler aspiration than nationalism. Independence will make the poor poorer.

The radical left in Scotland has been conned by the yellow rosettes.

From what I've seen, radicals, on the left or the right, usually have little compassion for anything other than their own views.

You must be blind in your views if you are unable to see how stagnant the so-called Labour Party in Scotland had become.

Posted by: *big les glasgow* 8th May 2015, 10:44am

Let this be the end of cushy seats for life for ourcouncillors, as a retired Glesca printer, we were only as good as the work we done all our life to keep our jobs and it was that way till I retired at 65 after 50 years with the Glasgow branch of the printing union ... so number one thing the crowd that has gone never done was look after our International airport and let Edinburgh steal all the European flights ... isn't it terrible for example when we have to trail to Edinburgh get a flight to Madrid as Glasgow has no direct flights as one example ... we are just hearing that Edinburgh has a plane a minute and had to change their flight plan over the capital!!! So come on Glasgow let show the wee Capital Old Glagow Toon can take over all these flights and save Glasgow folk and West of Scotland having to trek through to there for a flight... lets get back to the days of Mr Happy!!

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Posted by: *GARYLEE* 8th May 2015, 10:46am

QUOTE (*Liam* @ 8th May 2015, 10:01am) *
Glasgow lost its soul last night. Socialism is a nobler aspiration than nationalism. Independence will make the poor poorer.

The radical left in Scotland has been conned by the yellow rosettes.


Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 10:47am

QUOTE (amclpreston @ 8th May 2015, 11:48am) *
You must be blind in your views if you are unable to see how stagnant the so-called Labour Party in Scotland had become.


And that sums up the Labour party in Scotland. thumbup.gif

Posted by: *GARYLEE* 8th May 2015, 10:52am

QUOTE (*Colin* @ 8th May 2015, 10:22am) *
It would not have mattered if Labour had won all 59 seats in Scotland we would still have a Tory government, we can't blame people in Scotland for a Tory England win, it does show that no matter how we vote up here we will always get shafted.

Its a shameful day for Scotland - we have voted for a separatist party who would gladly cut the poor south of the border or anywhere else adrift. The same party who ushered in Margaret Thatcher has helped cement David Cameron into Downing Street. I had to laugh at the bluster of Salmond this morning, does he honestly believe 56 SNP Westminister MP's some of whom will still be able to get half fare on the train down to London will dictate to 325 Tories, get real !!! Unfortunately we now have 2 dictatorships in the UK, Sturgeons and Camerons and Socialism is dead

Posted by: Guest 8th May 2015, 11:16am

THe SNP got &% of the vote thats it, it isnt a vote for Indy.

All they did was send 54 yaps to London.

David Cameron will prevent an Indy ref by law for 20 years and the SNP one party state will be shown up for the incompetants they are .

Posted by: john.mcn 8th May 2015, 11:42am

The conservatives have won a majority in the house of commons, maths cannot be some peoples strong point if they think that 56 SNP's made any difference to that result.
What difference it does make is that for the first time in a long time we will have a party that will stand up for US. They will have to work twice as hard to get half the praise from the Scottish media so it will be an uphill struggle.
Labour have not only failed Glasgow it failed Scotland and it's people when instead of fighting for the people and tell us what it meant to vote for them they continued their negativity and attacks on SNP policies, policies that at one time they would have championed.

Posted by: Kemedian 8th May 2015, 11:59am

The voting system cannot cope with 'The 45', and I refused to join in the masses, but waking up to this new Scotland I am nevertheless proud of the gumption displayed by my fellow countryfolk who have bucked the Tory trend and backed the Trendy Team.

Go on SNP, show us what you've got! biggrin.gif


Posted by: Celyn 8th May 2015, 12:03pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 8th May 2015, 10:35am) *
To be honest, Labour were asking for it. Now, if we can get rid of them from the City Council, that would be great.


Oh YES! Cleaning up Glasgow City Council would be a difficult job, but a very worthwhile one. biggrin.gif

Posted by: ARu-999 8th May 2015, 12:06pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 8th May 2015, 11:46am) *
I'd take those grapes back to the shop Liam, they taste really sour. yes.gif

JAGZ, I could not agree with you more re. the sour grapes, but also when I hear some one spouting about socialism being a more noble cause than nationalism I have to laugh .... New-Labour .... socialism, you don't really see those two word in the same sentence often.
Anyway, up the Jags!!!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 12:22pm

QUOTE (ARu-999 @ 8th May 2015, 01:14pm) *
JAGZ, I could not agree with you more re. the sour grapes, but also when I hear some one spouting about socialism being a more noble cause than nationalism I have to laugh .... New-Labour .... socialism, you don't really see those two word in the same sentence often.
Anyway, up the Jags!!!


Your right ARu, the real socialists deserted New Labour a long time ago when they tried to appeal to middle England in an effort to woo disenchanted Tory voters.

Up the Jags. thumbup.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 12:26pm

QUOTE (*GARYLEE* @ 8th May 2015, 12:00pm) *
Its a shameful day for Scotland - we have voted for a separatist party who would gladly cut the poor south of the border or anywhere else adrift. The same party who ushered in Margaret Thatcher


Yes democracy sucks GARYLEE unsure.gif still peddling the old SNP ushered in Thatcher myth i see, no wonder Liebore are finished in Scotland. yes.gif

Posted by: droschke7 8th May 2015, 12:27pm

Well, that's the countdown to the Scottish self destruct started, I can't believe so many of my fellow Scots were as Gullible as the Germans in the 1930's. Oh well you get the Government you deserve and Karma is swift, enjoy it while it lasts, Karma is on it's way.

Posted by: betty66 8th May 2015, 12:45pm

Absolutely brilliant...Proud of Glasgow and Scotland......Congrats to all!


 

Posted by: bilbo.s 8th May 2015, 12:58pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th May 2015, 02:35pm) *
Well, that's the countdown to the Scottish self destruct started, I can't believe so many of my fellow Scots were as Gullible as the Germans in the 1930's. Oh well you get the Government you deserve and Karma is swift, enjoy it while it lasts, Karma is on it's way.


Dae ye no mean Korma ? Ah prefer a Madras or mibbes a Jalfrezi. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 01:01pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th May 2015, 01:35pm) *
Well, that's the countdown to the Scottish self destruct started, I can't believe so many of my fellow Scots were as Gullible as the Germans in the 1930's. Oh well you get the Government you deserve and Karma is swift, enjoy it while it lasts, Karma is on it's way.


Why don't you crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under, GG was much better without your bile you horrible little man. angry.gif

Posted by: dejavu 8th May 2015, 01:06pm

Scotland did not leave Labour. Labour left Scotland . Scotland NEVER puts the Tories in power this is England's doing . Tories do not have a mandate in Scotland.

Posted by: ARu-999 8th May 2015, 01:20pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th May 2015, 01:35pm) *
Well, that's the countdown to the Scottish self destruct started, I can't believe so many of my fellow Scots were as Gullible as the Germans in the 1930's. Oh well you get the Government you deserve and Karma is swift, enjoy it while it lasts, Karma is on it's way.

Dear oh dear, inaccurate statements mixed in with some maudling sentiment when things don't go your way.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 01:55pm

QUOTE (ARu-999 @ 8th May 2015, 02:28pm) *
Dear oh dear, inaccurate statements mixed in with some maudling sentiment when things don't go your way.


That's the Labour way. yes.gif

Posted by: Scotsman 8th May 2015, 02:14pm

Jim Boy Murphy still hanging on in there to his job as branch manager.... he will go soon though and just as well he has got all those degrees from uni because he will need them for his next job. laugh.gif

Was an amazing night and its been a long time coming as we really need something to happen in this city to get us back on track. The young people I see everyday have been let down by Labour who had nothing to give them but rubbish education and a zero hours job.

Interesting times for Glasgow and Scotland.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 02:27pm

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 8th May 2015, 03:22pm) *
just as well he has got all those degrees from uni because he will need them for his next job. laugh.gif


What degrees Scotsman? laugh.gif

Posted by: Guest 8th May 2015, 02:37pm

Someone here said socialism is dead, socialism died when Blair came to office. Don't try to pull the wool over anyones eyes by telling them the Labour party is a socialist party, they have not been that for many years now. They turned their coats and abandoned the socialist principles that once made them great, all in order to line their pockets and keep in with the English in order to win seats. Do you know for example that their policies for the poor, were in fact actually worse than those adopted by the Tory members who set up the original party must be turning in their graves at this lot. Scotland had the guts last night, on the whole, to kick this bunch in the arse and vote for hope with the SNP. Good luck to the SNP, I believe the only thing to hold them back will be that shower down in Westminster, who are both creepy and dangerous.

Posted by: Guest 8th May 2015, 02:44pm

Has to be said, the SNP will have no leverage now the Tories have a majority Govt so it really is all for nowt.

And what were the people of Paisley thinking, voting for a 20 year old? I can only imagine her first constituency surgery. ohmy.gif

Posted by: norrie123 8th May 2015, 02:49pm

I am surprised that it took so long for Labour in Glasgow to be ousted it should have happened years ago, I would have preferred anybody but SNP right enough but the votes don't lie
I have been dreading a one party State in Scotland for years and now its closer, my problem is who to vote for the next time, my Heart says they are all lying gits and so does my head but Vote I will

Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: ashfield 8th May 2015, 03:12pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 8th May 2015, 03:35pm) *
What degrees Scotsman? laugh.gif


Mair like dungarees rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 8th May 2015, 03:26pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 8th May 2015, 02:52pm) *
Has to be said, the SNP will have no leverage now the Tories have a majority Govt so it really is all for nowt.

And what were the people of Paisley thinking, voting for a 20 year old? I can only imagine her first constituency surgery. ohmy.gif


On your first Point, it cannot all have been for nowt ... The Labour Party in Scotland is now dead and hopefully buried. That's not nowt, that's a good start.
As for that young lassie taking away a well established seat, it says a lot about the previous occupant when a political Student can remove him.
Yes sir, the times the are a-changing ( cue Dylan) biggrin.gif

Posted by: Indie pendant 8th May 2015, 03:40pm

Now we can enter candidates South of the border and eventually take over, calling the whole of UK ... SCOTLAND.

No stopping at Derby this time.

Posted by: ExPOW 8th May 2015, 04:30pm

Seems like y'all took a Lesson In Change from Albertan Canadians. After 44 years if uninterrupted Provincial Tory Rule, The Progressive Conservatives (PC) were routed by our upcoming New Democratic Party (NDP) last Tuesday. The PCs lost a total of 61 seats in one fell swoop and our former arrogant PC Premier did us all a favour and resigned on the night of the election. Going from 21 seated representatives, the NDP now hold sway in our Provincial Legislature by a significant majority and now hold 54 seats total.

The Oil Patch are not happy (having been in bed with the PCs for so long and not paying their fair share) that they now worry that the NDP are coming after them to pay their share of taxes and support the economy.

It verymuch looks like a Time for Change everywhere.

The Federal Conservatives are fretting that change will catch on and that it might happen in our version of The House of Commons.

We might even see the ousting of our more-than-slightly-wooden Prime Minister and his cronies.

It took a while but we western worms did eventually decide to turn.

Posted by: *Jaydee43* 8th May 2015, 05:05pm

Well said GG but I bet some of these posters never even voted. Great to get rid of Labour cronies. They are gone now, what a great day this is!

Posted by: James1947 8th May 2015, 05:42pm

Have to agree with guest and teeheehee...

Posted by: robert gibbons 8th May 2015, 05:51pm

QUOTE (GG @ 8th May 2015, 07:51am) *
It took only a few hours for Labour's Glasgow citadel to crumble to the ground after years of uninterrupted mismanagement and contempt for Scotland's largest city. At 3am this morning, Patrick Grady became the first SNP MP elected for the party in Glasgow during a General Election, when he ousted Anne McKechin from the Glasgow North constituency by a margin of almost two to one.

After that unprecedented event, all of Glasgow's sitting Labour MPs – most of whom thought they would be in a cushy job for life – tumbled like shaking dominoes. Scottish Secretary Margaret Curran was next to be resolutely voted out by the scunnered voters of Glasgow East, the poorest, most deprived constituency in the UK. Not far behind, both in time and in the scale of endemic deprivation of the constituency, was Willie Bain, who 'nominally' represented Glasgow North East. With electoral swings that broke British records, Ian Davidson, Tom Harris, Anas Sarwar and John Robertson were all swiftly removed from their seats by the long-suffering people of Glasgow.

As the defeated and clearly shocked Labour MPs departed the count at the Emirates Arena – itself a shining symbol of how Labour has abandoned its once-proud working class history in the pursuit of style over substance – only a few party supporters remained to hear the SNP victory speeches.

Natalie McGarry, the newly-elected MP for Glasgow East by an overwhelming 10,387 votes, overturning a Labour lead of 11,840 votes, said:

QUOTE
"I would like to thank the constituency for placing their trust in me. My pledge to you is to be accessible and vocal on your behalf but also listening and active.

This victory is not for me alone; it is for every mother who has queued for a food bank, every member of the disabled community who has had benefits slashed, and for every lone parent who has suffered at the hands of austerity.

Whatever your opinion on Scotland's future may be, we have a lot of work to do. This election is about sharing the voices of people who live in Glasgow East.

We will fight for an end to austerity and the cuts tearing people's lives apart and some community like those in the east end. "

On a night of unrelenting failure, humiliation and embarrassment for the party, Jim Murphy, the Glasgow-born leader of Scottish Labour, lost his seat in East Renfrewshire after his 10,000 majority was unceremoniously overturned by the SNP's Kirsten Oswald. Following Murphy's defeat, ex-Labour MPs called for the Scottish Labour leader – who won his first Westminster election under Tony Blair – to resign immediately.

Across Scotland, the SNP won 56 of 59 Westminster seats.



SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon with her 'magnificent seven' Glasgow MPs.

GG.

Posted by: mustard 8th May 2015, 07:03pm

Well done SNP! The future is bright the future is yellow :)-

Posted by: Guest 8th May 2015, 07:30pm

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 8th May 2015, 02:57pm) *
I have been dreading a one party State in Scotland for years and now its closer, my problem is who to vote for the next time, my Heart says they are all lying gits and so does my head but Vote I will

A one party state is precisely what Scotland has been for the last god knows how many years. That was blown out the water last night. Let's look forward to some healthy competition.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 07:43pm

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 8th May 2015, 03:57pm) *
I have been dreading a one party State in Scotland for years and now its closerl

Bye for now, norrie


Don't worry norrie we will never become a one party state anymore than England will.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 07:48pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 8th May 2015, 08:38pm) *
A one party state is precisely what Scotland has been for the last god knows how many years. That was blown out the water last night. Let's look forward to some healthy competition.


There was five parties to vote for on my ballot paper, hardly a one party state, or is it the SNP's fault that that the opposition is poor?

Posted by: droschke7 8th May 2015, 07:53pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 8th May 2015, 02:09pm) *
Why don't you crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under, GG was much better without your bile you horrible little man. angry.gif

Not horrible and Defo not little Jagz1876, and what Bile would you be talking about? you mean the truth?

Posted by: droschke7 8th May 2015, 07:57pm

I served and fought for my country I'm entitled to an opinion without muppets trying to degrade me.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 08:04pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th May 2015, 09:01pm) *
Not horrible and Defo not little Jagz1876, and what Bile would you be talking about? you mean the truth?


Definitely horrible, and little mind, trying to tar the democratic will of the people of Scotland to Nazi's make you the lowest of the low, why can't you and your like minded BritNats accept defeat with a dignified silence instead of spouting lies and smears.

Posted by: droschke7 8th May 2015, 08:05pm

How can anyione vote for a candidate who wants to headbutt or kick in the **** anyone who disagrees and then claim to be normal? oh well Karma's a bitch and she's already on the way. and Jagz, I'm not small, anything but but I did serve my country and fight in the armed forces so I do have a right to my opinion.

Posted by: droschke7 8th May 2015, 08:07pm

QUOTE
"Definitely horrible, and little mind, trying to tar the democratic will of the people of Scotland to Nazi's make you the lowest of the low, why can't you and your like minded BritNats accept defeat with a dignified silence instead of spouting lies and smears."


do you mean the same way your mob accepted the Democratic decision NOT to be come independent? Tar your self little minded man.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th May 2015, 08:12pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th May 2015, 09:15pm) *
do you mean the same way your mob accepted the Democratic decision NOT to be come independent? Tar your self little minded man.


We have accepted the referendum decision, and repeating what i said to you only proves my point.

Posted by: GG 8th May 2015, 08:14pm

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Let's move on here and get back on topic. You've both had the opportunity to set out your opinions very clearly, so please let's not dwell here on a clear difference of opinion. Agree to disagree and move on.

GG.

Posted by: GG 8th May 2015, 08:45pm

A couple of campaign posters from Glasgow North East taken in the last week. I did not see one Labour poster in the area during the entire campaign. Also, there were quite a few SNP posters in windows in the area but I never saw any Labour ones.

Is it possible that the decent and conscientious Labour supporters were content to see Murphy's brand of (New) Labour fail in such a spectacular fashion so that they can retake control of the party? Time may tell.

GG.




 

Posted by: Alex Saville 8th May 2015, 09:27pm

Martin

I read in the papers about the parties knocking on doors during the campaign.
Not seen a soul here in Cowlairs.

1 Labour leaflet through the letterbox, hand-delivered.
1 leaflet each from the SNP, Greens, Lib-Dems, Tories, Labour and the TUSC parties, all courtesy of the postman.
Saw the SNP electioneering at the Springburn Shopping Centre twice, never seen any other parties at all.
Totally surprised this morning to see Wee Willie got his books! Never expected to see that happen!
Gobsmacked at the result and thought I was dreaming.
Goodbye, and good riddance, to the Red Tory Party! All of them!

Alex

Posted by: eidas 8th May 2015, 10:38pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 9th May 2015, 06:05am) *
I served and fought for my country I'm entitled to an opinion without muppets trying to degrade me.


Well said!

Posted by: eidas 8th May 2015, 11:13pm

All those people spouting the demise of the Labour Party, believe me, you're going to need that party one day in the not too distant future, why not join it and make it the party it once was. What you have now is Tory by another name.

What amazes me is the people who benefited from the union movement's working conditions and benefits of the 60's through to the 80's, are now the protecting their nest eggs and totally forgotten where it came from. Those conditions and benefits are being eroded on a daily basis.

Posted by: GuestPaulie 8th May 2015, 11:38pm

We watched the U.K. election here in South America, courtesy of the BBC.We were shocked that long-time Labour strongholds were falling like tenpins...who'd have thought.

As a former Glaswegian, as far as my working-class family was concerned anyone who voted other than Labour was a "traitor".

The old-time labour party must have been doing something right to have won the hearts and loyalty of the great city of Glasgow. I wonder where it all went wrong.

Posted by: dac182 9th May 2015, 12:19am

Scottish Labour took the vote of the People of Scotland for granted, as safe seats where they didn't have to work to hard to get a majority - a job for life. The electorate woke up and have given them a opportunity too rebrand the party and regain the trust of the electorate. To do so I believe Scottish Labour will have to become Indepentant of the English Labour(Tory) party. Only then can they truly call themselves "Scottish Labour" and truly fight for the rights of the People of Scotland to be heard. Jim Murphy (Monotone man) is not the leader to do this. Do they have the foresight to do this? - at the moment I think not.

Posted by: ashfield 9th May 2015, 07:20am

Welcome dac182, I think you are spot on. I'm feeling a bit like the footballer who has scored a goal against the club he used to play for. The demise of the Labour Party I supported has everything to do with how it has been run and who has run it. In the past they have treated the electorate with contempt, the electorate has returned the favour.

Miliband and Murphy, really huh.gif What's the opposite of a dream team unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th May 2015, 08:10am

QUOTE (eidas @ 9th May 2015, 12:21am) *
All those people spouting the demise of the Labour Party, believe me, you're going to need that party one day in the not too distant future


Are people not entitled to their opinion eidas, or is that only for people who agree with your political view?

Posted by: macjackb 9th May 2015, 08:37am

"Is it possible that the decent and conscientious Labour supporters were content to see Murphy's brand of (New) Labour fail in such a spectacular fashion so that they can retake control of the party? Time may tell."

I'd be tempted to think that was the case GG, but for the fact that something like 2% of the population is now a member of the SNP. This article shows that what we've seen in their rise seems to be more than just a mood swing:

https://theconversation.com/depth-of-snp-support-bucks-a-political-trend-that-has-held-since-the-1970s-40707

There has been a great deal of derision thrown at the Labour Party since the election results, much of it not undeserved. Perhaps their biggest single fault has been long standing complacency. During much of my 50-odd years, the prevailing feeling towards them has been one of 'they're crap, ineffective, corrupt and have no backbone, but they've come from us and they're all we've got'. That's a disaster waiting to happen, and once Blairism took charge and Labour started to become Tory not just in practice but in theory, the disaster was spawned. In the SNP, we had a party that for many years stood virtually devoid of political thought aside from a misty-eyed desire for independence. In other words, a vacuum waiting to be filled by a people desperate for hope. We've poured that into them, and the rush of membership may well mean that they can't back out of it even if there is a rump of old-school tartanism that's uncomfortable with all these social-democratic oiks. This is what would mean real trouble for Labour, because there would be literally no point in them any more; those of us who want a right-wing opposition to the SNP already have the Conservatives.

Posted by: eidas 9th May 2015, 08:43am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th May 2015, 06:18pm) *
Are people not entitled to their opinion eidas, or is that only for people who agree with your political view?

We're all entitled to our opinion, I at no time suggested otherwise! I'm not even in your country but can see where you're going wrong and that's my opinion, take it or leave it mate!

Posted by: greta 9th May 2015, 08:57am

I am a socialist at heart, so hate new labour, a well deserved thrashing. As a person from Glasgow, I admire Tommy Sheridan a great Scottish socialist who has been promoting a vote for the SNP and am totally with him on this. It is just a shame that we could not have got rid of the wasters at Westminster at the same time,but hoefully that will be to come.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th May 2015, 10:12am

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th May 2015, 09:05pm) *
I served and fought for my country I'm entitled to an opinion without muppets trying to degrade me.


Don't degrade others then.

Posted by: droschke7 9th May 2015, 10:15am

JAGZ read back through the posts, you started by calling a little man and then small minded, let's just leave it there and get back to the point of this

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th May 2015, 10:16am

QUOTE (eidas @ 9th May 2015, 09:51am) *
We're all entitled to our opinion, I at no time suggested otherwise! I'm not even in your country but can see where you're going wrong and that's my opinion, take it or leave it mate!


Do you mean where i'm going wrong or where the country is going wrong mate? unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th May 2015, 10:19am

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 9th May 2015, 11:23am) *
JAGZ read back through the posts, you started by calling a little man and then small minded, let's just leave it there and get back to the point of this


No you started it by associating the democratic decision of the people of Scotland to the rise of the Nazi's in 30's Germany, stop the insults and stick to the topic of the thread.

Posted by: Guest 9th May 2015, 10:35am

QUOTE (greta @ 9th May 2015, 09:05am) *
I am a socialist at heart, so hate new labour, a well deserved thrashing. As a person from Glasgow, I admire Tommy Sheridan a great Scottish socialist who has been promoting a vote for the SNP and am totally with him on this. It is just a shame that we could not have got rid of the wasters at Westminster at the same time,but hoefully that will be to come.


It's my humble opinion that Tommy Sheridan is a joke.

Posted by: john.mcn 9th May 2015, 12:04pm

Unlike some people here i have no misty eyed recollection of the labour party. Probably like most here i grew up on a housing scheme, also like most here i didn't try to make political capital out of it.. When a certain political party manager did it at first i'm sure i wasn't the only person who thought...AND!!, when he continued to do it i sat there thinking who the hell is he trying to impress because surely anyone who would be like me was thinking big wow you were in a drawer as a baby, so was i and i'm sure many many others. I grew up on a scheme, was it tough, well i didn't think of it as such as a child as we did the things children did back then, fitball, kerby and fight with the neighbouring areas kids. Where we differ is that at 12 we weren't playing fitball on the beach in the sun, naw we were on the red pitch or the dog shit covered grass, so maybe Murphy hears that and thinks thats tough thus he came from it despite moving away when he was 12..
I dont think thats were Labour first went wrong but i do think selecting him as a 'leader' shows how completely out of touch they are with a lot of the public and it was the final nail in the coffin for them. How many of their ranks went from Uni to Labour researcher to Politician with no real graspe of life outside, they became the political class instead of the representatives of the working class. Now i'm sure there are good people amongst Labour, some of whome lost their jobs but fought for the people and community and probaly feel they've become victims of something they couldn't control. What they should do is take back the party and kick out the careerists, the ones who became politicians for all the wrong reasons and stop acting like they're in the opposition. Even when in government they were the same, the enemy isn't the SNP it's the ones within their own party and the people have been telling you this for years. In 2007 they booted your arse, they did it again in 2011 when you didn't listen, but this year the boots on your head because again it didn't listen. Continue down the same path and you might find yourself as relevant as George Galloway.

Posted by: AandLeo 9th May 2015, 12:07pm

I suppose even the SNP bigwigs are astonished by the routing of labour and other political parties from Scotland, even though they were sanguinely optimistic of the outcome.
However, an election that resulted the representation of Scotland in the Westminster Parliament by virtually all SNP MPs does not suggest a call for independence of Scotland that was determined only recently. One could see the result as a mandate for the SNP to represent the people of Scotland in the Westminster Parliament in London. Only snag is, with a small majority that might be enough for the Conservatives to get through another 5 year term of government, SNP may not have much leverage to influence the British government to focus on Scottish devolution and autonomy of Scottish government, notwithstanding the Cameron’s pledge during the referendum to do so.
Is the Scottish independence that voters are concerned of or the security of a stronger economy, wellbeing and prosperous future of the people, I wonder?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th May 2015, 12:32pm

QUOTE (AandLeo @ 9th May 2015, 01:15pm) *
an election that resulted the representation of Scotland in the Westminster Parliament by virtually all SNP MPs does not suggest a call for independence of Scotland


No one on here has said it does, even Nicola Sturgeon herself has emphasised this.

Posted by: john.mcn 9th May 2015, 12:40pm

The only people going on about referendums and independence were the three London parties.
Replacing Labour MP's with SNP's in Scotland does not mean more chance of a Tory government however much people try to spin it. Both will vote against the forming of a Conservative government, even labour eventually conceded that it's not the largest party who govern but the one who gets the most votes in the house of commons.
The Conservatives won the election outright because labour under Miliband failed to convince the people in England they were fit to govern.. What is now going to come back to haunt the Tories is that they throughout the campaign said it would be undemocratic and unconstitutional for the SNP to have a say over England if they returned enough MP's, well the opposite must also be true that it's undemocratic and unconstitutional for the Tories to have a say over Scotland because as a country we rejected ALL the UK parties..

Posted by: droschke7 9th May 2015, 03:09pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th May 2015, 11:27am) *
No you started it by associating the democratic decision of the people of Scotland to the rise of the Nazi's in 30's Germany, stop the insults and stick to the topic of the thread.

erm no all I said was that they were as Gullible as the Germans were then, I in no way said that the SNP were Nazi's
read it properly

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th May 2015, 03:31pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 9th May 2015, 04:17pm) *
erm no all I said was that they were as Gullible as the Germans were then, I in no way said that the SNP were Nazi's
read it properly


Too late for back peddling, stay on topic.

Posted by: *Paulie* 9th May 2015, 04:23pm

Although I left Glasgow many years ago, I still have great memories as a youngster of doing volunteer work for the Tradeston area of Glasgow... John Rankin, and then a lady who went on to become Mayoress of Glasgow, Jean Roberts.

Some really interesting comments here, but didn't notice anything about the Trident Missile site that hangs over Scotland. Is this not an issue? Maybe I am a bit "Misty-eyed" as one write said, however I never did feel "poor" even in a crumbling South Side tenement. As a city kid life was always full and interesting. In retrospect we were living in poverty by any standard, and at the risk of sounding 'Pollyannish', this background has stood me in good stead all my life.

Posted by: *Denis* 9th May 2015, 05:12pm

QUOTE (ElliotShinwell @ 8th May 2015, 10:06am) *
I don't know what the voters of Glasgow were thinking of. Fair enough a lot of voters want an independent Scotland, and I have no problem with that. But what voters all over the country have done is play in to the dirty, backstabbing Tories!

The SNP put the Torys back in power they kept on saying they would back up Lab.

CaMoron said SNP would back Lab if that wasn't a blog what is. SNP knew this would happen and the real Scott's will not forget what Sturgeon has done. Independence NO chance now.

Glasgow East End a 20 year old girl come on whos kidding who a kid who won't know her **** from her elbow.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th May 2015, 10:23pm

QUOTE (*Denis* @ 9th May 2015, 06:20pm) *
The SNP put the Torys back in power they kept on saying they would back up Lab.

CaMoron said SNP would back Lab if that wasn't a blog what is. SNP knew this would happen and the real Scott's will not forget what Sturgeon has done. Independence NO chance now.

Glasgow East End a 20 year old girl come on whos kidding who a kid who won't know her **** from her elbow.


Looks like it's not only a 20 year old girl that doesn't know her arse from her elbow Denis, you seem to be having the same problem, Natalie McGarry who is the MP for Glasgow East is 34 years old, you must be thinking of Mhairi Black who won the Paisley & Renfrewshire seat from the hapless 47 year old Douglas Alexander who still thinks he was thrown out on his elbow.

Scots did not forget what Labour did when they sided with the Tories, independence has every chance now.

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th May 2015, 10:39pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 10th May 2015, 12:31am) *
Looks like it's not only a 20 year old girl that doesn't know her arse from her elbow Denis, you seem to be having the same problem, Natalie McGarry who is the MP for Glasgow East is 34 years old, you must be thinking of Mhairi Black who won the Paisley & Renfrewshire seat from the hapless 47 year old Douglas Alexander who still thinks he was thrown out on his elbow.

Scots did not forget what Labour did when they sided with the Tories, independence has every chance now.


Well said, Jagz. Do you reckon "Denis" is a typo ? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 9th May 2015, 11:32pm

Some quotes to urging Jim Murphy to act in a decent manner:

Ian Davidson, the Labour candidate who lost his Glasgow South West:

QUOTE
He was elected as party leader on the basis that he was an MP. Only MPs and MSPs can stand for the leadership. Morally, as the man who has led us to the biggest ever disaster that Labour has suffered in Scotland . . . of course he can’t continue.

The process of rebuilding the Labour party has got to start with an examination of both personnel and ideas. And therefore Jim has got to do the honourable thing and resign. I’m sure once he has got time to reflect, he will do that.

The Scottish secretary of Unite, Pat Rafferty:
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Change must begin with a new leader. It is surprising that Jim Murphy should feel he still has a mandate to lead the party after Thursday‘s results. I do not say this out of any personal animus.

Jim fought a courageous campaign, and the party’s problems clearly long predate his leadership. But staying on as leader will only prolong the party’s agony. Scottish Labour must be rebuilt from the ground up, free from the taint of machine politics and the legacy of the misjudgements of the last Labour government.

ASLEF's Kevin Lindsay of the Scottish train drivers' union:
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Jim Murphy has just presided over the worst election defeat in the history of the Scottish Labour Party. He has to go — and he has to go now.

Ed Miliband, Harriet Harman, Nick Clegg, and even Nigel Farage have all stood down, accepting responsibility for, and the consequences of, defeat for their parties at the polls. It is, therefore, quite clear to most of us in the Scottish Labour Party what the right thing is for Jim Murphy to do.

Ironically, those four are still Parliamentarians. Jim Murphy isn’t. His position is untenable. What he does not appear to understand is that, with being leader, comes responsibility. Now Jim Murphy’s moral judgement is being questioned by the Scottish people as he tries desperately to cling on.

GG.

Posted by: GG 9th May 2015, 11:39pm

Post-election Scotland prepares for an uncertain, exciting future


Source:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/08/election-scotland-labour-snp-nationalism-future

GG.

Posted by: eidas 10th May 2015, 12:59am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th May 2015, 08:24pm) *
Do you mean where i'm going wrong or where the country is going wrong mate? unsure.gif

Where the country is going wrong!

Posted by: Alex Saville 10th May 2015, 08:07am

So Glasgow kicks out Labour and the sore losers run down the democratic process in Glasgow, suggesting that the voters don't seem to know what they were doing.
The Americans have a word for this, it's of a bovine nature, begins with a 'B' and ends with a 'T'!
B******T! Got it?

The sore losers seem to think we should welcome the perpetual swing of the pendulum from the Blue Tories to the Red Tories.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, they think.
Except it WAS broke!
There are many reasons why Labour were wiped out, the main one being they weren't up to the standard expected by Scots.
Will they learn any lessons from this disaster (For them)?
I doubt it.
Since they haven't made Murphy fall on his sword by now, they show that they think it's business as usual.
The longer they leave it, the more damage they do.

To those who say 50% of Scotland didn't vote for the SNP, it didn't bother them when Labour was in, so why bother now?
In any case, the other 50% are of various other political parties and those who didn't vote.
In a First Past the Post contest, that's known as Democracy!
The Blue & Red Tories could have changed that, they didn't because it suits them very well. Up to now.

Alex

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th May 2015, 10:12am

Totally agree Alex. thumbup.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th May 2015, 10:14am

QUOTE (eidas @ 10th May 2015, 02:07am) *
Where the country is going wrong!


I'm intrigued eidas, in your opinion, where is the country going wrong?

Posted by: john.mcn 10th May 2015, 10:36am

The SNP 1.5m votes and 56 MP's against UKIP's 3m votes and 1 MP argument cracks me up, do these people not get it that UKIP stood in 650 seats as opposed to SNP's 59... I need to stop looking at those Unionist facebook pages biggrin.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 10th May 2015, 10:37am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 10th May 2015, 10:22am) *
I'm intrigued eidas, in your opinion, where is the country going wrong?


Been a while since an expat away for decades told us here we were wrong to want free from London control wink.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 10th May 2015, 10:45am

QUOTE (GG @ 9th May 2015, 11:40pm) *
Some quotes to urging Jim Murphy to act in a decent manner:

Ian Davidson, the Labour candidate who lost his Glasgow South West:

The Scottish secretary of Unite, Pat Rafferty:

ASLEF's Kevin Lindsay of the Scottish train drivers' union:

GG.


To be fair to Murphy he became SLabour leader to make history, i dont think anyone would argue that he didn't achieve that biggrin.gif

Posted by: droschke7 10th May 2015, 11:22am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th May 2015, 04:39pm) *
Too late for back peddling, stay on topic.


No back peddaling just badgering by you and as you said STAY on Topic, and on Topic the SNP got only 34.4% of the possible votes due to a 71% turn out they didn't even get a majority of the votes cast, a majority has to be over half or over 50% they didn't get it they only got 49% of the votes cast or 34.4% of the total possible vote. SNP got 1.4 million votes and 56 seats, UKIP in the whole of the UK got 3.5 million votes and got 1 seat, Conservatives in Scotland got 800,000 votes and got only 2 seats, Scottish Labour got 700,000 votes (or half as many as the SNP) and got No seats, does no one else see how wrong and undemocratic that is?

Posted by: Alex MacPhee 10th May 2015, 12:04pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 12:30pm) *
SNP got 1.4 million votes and 56 seats, UKIP in the whole of the UK got 3.5 million votes and got 1 seat


These are not comparable. SNP votes came from an electorate pool of around 4 million, the UKIP votes came from an electorate pool of around ten times that. No SNP candidates stood in any constituency south of the border. Rather as there were no Plaid Cymru candidates standing against UKIP anywhere in Scotland.

Posted by: john.mcn 10th May 2015, 12:08pm

It seems that it's only wrong and undemocratic when the SNP win votes. It's perfectly fine when the country was carved up between the Tories and labour but a failing in democracy when the SNP wins.
The conservatives got less than 37% of total votes cast in the UK(that means the dead, absent and non voters aren't counted) but hold a majority in the HoC, thats democracy but getting a smidgen under 50% isn't.
Trying to compare UKIP's share of the vote when they stood for election across the UK against the SNP's when they stood only in Scotland shows either how naive you are or manipulative, their share of the vote in SCOTLAND was 1.6% or 47,078 votes..hardly a case for calling the vote undemocratic.

Posted by: bilbo.s 10th May 2015, 12:12pm







You pick whatever statistic suits you.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th May 2015, 01:45pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 12:30pm) *
Scottish Labour got 700,000 votes (or half as many as the SNP) and got No seats, does no one else see how wrong and undemocratic that is?


Actually Labour got one seat (you may have been hiding under your bed when that result was announced laugh.gif ) but your beloved Tory and Labour union cartel refused to introduce PR when the SNP and other parties asked for it to be introduced as a fairer way to represent the votes cast, sticking to their favourite FPTP system which meant they kept the power between themselves.

Now the FPTP system has backfired on you in Scotland you are now crying foul, why didn't you complain in the 2010 General election when Labour got 1,035,528 votes and 41 seats in Scotland while the SNP got 491,386 votes (or half as many as Labour) but only got six seats, did you or no one else see how wrong and undemocratic that was?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/7.stm

Let's see you back peddle out of that one. tongue.gif

Posted by: droschke7 10th May 2015, 01:56pm

QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 10th May 2015, 01:12pm) *
These are not comparable. SNP votes came from an electorate pool of around 4 million, the UKIP votes came from an electorate pool of around ten times that. No SNP candidates stood in any constituency south of the border. Rather as there were no Plaid Cymru candidates standing against UKIP anywhere in Scotland.

the conservatives in Scotland got 800.000 votes and only 2 seats and Labour in Scotland who got 700,000 votes didn't get a single seat

Posted by: john.mcn 10th May 2015, 02:17pm

???

Labour got 707,147 votes, the conservatives 434,097 and the Libdems 219,675. All of them returned one MP to Westminster.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th May 2015, 02:36pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 10th May 2015, 03:25pm) *
???

Labour got 707,147 votes, the conservatives 434,097 and the Libdems 219,675. All of them returned one MP to Westminster.


He was definitely under his bed with his fingers in his ears then. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th May 2015, 03:03pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 03:04pm) *
the conservatives in Scotland got 800.000 votes and only 2 seats and Labour in Scotland who got 700,000 votes didn't get a single seat


When you're in a hole.................Stop digging. yes.gif

Posted by: GG 10th May 2015, 09:06pm

A great summary from Kevin McKenna writing in the Observer today on the story of Labour's long demise in Scotland:

QUOTE
Scottish Labour has only itself to blame for its crucifixion

[...] You could say that it all began when Tony Blair brought forth his New Labour project, which, by his own admission, owed as much to the philosophy of Margaret Thatcher as it did to ideas of collectivism and working-class solidarity. But the seeds of Labour’s downfall in Scotland had been sown in Scotland before then.

Even in the 1980s, there was a growing unease that this party was dining out on the card vote of Scotland’s working-class communities but offering little in return, and it was during this period that a wicked and oft-repeated observation began to take root: that a monkey with a red rose pinned to it could stand in some seats in Lanarkshire and still get elected.

When Labour was returned to power in 1997, many of us were optimistic that its virtual three-term majority afforded it a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to bring forth a programme of socially progressive legislation that, if planned carefully, would prove difficult for future right-wing Tory administrations to unpick.

Yet, instead of reversing Thatcher’s anti-trade union laws and re-establishing a social housing sector, it embraced her free-market philosophy and withdrew proper regulation of the financial sector, a decision that would reap a bitter harvest in 2008.

And, rather than choose to abolish the House of Lords and end tax evasion by the super-rich, it chose to use the upper chamber as a cheap means to reward long service and millionaire donors. By the time the illegal second Iraq war had been joined, it was clear that Westminster Labour was becoming a stranger to the aspirations and expectations of its supporters in Scotland. [...]

Full article here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/10/scottish-labour-jim-murphy-resign

GG.

Posted by: Alex MacPhee 10th May 2015, 09:22pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 03:04pm) *
the conservatives in Scotland got 800.000 votes and only 2 seats and Labour in Scotland who got 700,000 votes didn't get a single seat


Double check.

Posted by: GG 10th May 2015, 09:33pm

Anyone on here? ohmy.gif

QUOTE
Pensioner who bet 30k on Tory win yet to collect winnings

A pensioner who took bookies by surprise by defying the polls and placing a record 30,000 bet on a majority Conservative win in the election has yet to collect his 240,000 winnings.

The man placed what Ladbrokes called the largest wager in the country to make the call for a majority government more than a week before polls opened.

The bet was placed in the firm's branch in Hope Street, Glasgow, at a time when experts were declaring a majority was hugely unlikely, with the Tories and Labour neck-and-neck in pre-election polls.

A Ladbrokes' spokesman said: "There's still no sign of our record-breaking election forecaster following on from his incredible political prediction. Whilst there's never a time limit to collect any winning bet, we thought he'd have made a beeline for us as soon as the result was confirmed. We'd like to congratulate him on his win. He's shown pollsters and pundits up and down the land the way to do it."

The winnings can be collected from any branch.

GG.

Posted by: GG 10th May 2015, 09:44pm

See attached image for total votes cast etc..

What is really gratifying is that the Tory vote went down 1.8% when the clueless Scottish Tory Leader Ruth Davidson confidently predicted an increase in Tory votes of more than 10%. What a clown. clown.gif

QUOTE
Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson believes her party can increase its share of the vote to nearly half a million on Thursday.

More than 400,000 people backed the Tories in 2010, but that only translated into one seat, Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale.

Ms Davidson, speaking on a cross country tour yesterday, insisted her party could do better in 2015 and is best placed to defeat the SNP in West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine – a north-east constituency held by the Liberal Democrats since 1997.

And while the Glasgow MSP said she does not condone tactical voting, she encouraged pro-union supporters to get behind the Tory candidate, Alexander Burnett.

GG.


 

Posted by: john.mcn 10th May 2015, 11:14pm

Something wrong with that picture GG, it shows Ed Miliband as leader when we all know Jim Murphy was is leader in Scotland, come to think of it all the leaders bar one are wrong laugh.gif

Posted by: eidas 11th May 2015, 12:50am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 10th May 2015, 08:22pm) *
I'm intrigued eidas, in your opinion, where is the country going wrong?

Where is the country going wrong, you ask! It just voted overwhelmingly for 56 people to line their own pockets for the next 5 years, they can't do anything for Scotland now that the tories have a majority (which was always going to happen as the people abandoned labour). It would have been another story had the SNP been in coalition with another party. The same party that took the country down the independence road and failed. Get over yourselves and be ready in 5 years time to either vote labour or tory, there's no other choice mate!

Posted by: john.mcn 11th May 2015, 07:17am

Thats the type of politics Scotland just rejected, being thousands of miles away it's obvious you've missed whats been going on in the last few years. Labour have failed the people and they've probably alienated themselves from the younger generations for years, possibly forever.
Look at the difference between the crowds who flocked to see Sturgeon on walkabouts and the other party leaders who held them with a wall of campaigners keeping the public at arms length, could you see Murphy making time to get selfies with thousands of people, would anyone want a selfie with Murphy?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th May 2015, 09:45am

QUOTE (eidas @ 11th May 2015, 01:58am) *
Where is the country going wrong, you ask! It just voted overwhelmingly for 56 people to line their own pockets for the next 5 years, they can't do anything for Scotland now that the tories have a majority (which was always going to happen as the people abandoned labour). It would have been another story had the SNP been in coalition with another party. The same party that took the country down the independence road and failed. Get over yourselves and be ready in 5 years time to either vote labour or tory, there's no other choice mate!


Yes the country voted overwhelmingly for 56 people, that's called democracy eidas, why do you have a problem with that?

If they had wanted to line their own pockets as you put it they would have joined a unionist party that puts themselves first before country.

There is another choice to the Tory/Labour Westminster duopoly, and we have just voted for it mate. yes.gif

Posted by: eidas 11th May 2015, 10:00am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 11th May 2015, 07:53pm) *
Yes the country voted overwhelmingly for 56 people, that's called democracy eidas, why do you have a problem with that?

If they had wanted to line their own pockets as you put it they would have joined a unionist party that puts themselves first before country.

There is another choice to the Tory/Labour Westminster duopoly, and we have just voted for it mate. yes.gif

Good luck mate, you're going to need it!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th May 2015, 10:47am

QUOTE (eidas @ 11th May 2015, 11:08am) *
Good luck mate, you're going to need it!


In what way?

And what Shangri La do you now live in where they can manage to do what you think Scots are incapable of?

Posted by: lubbock 11th May 2015, 10:54am

The Queen of Scots will be quirming with embarrassment when some of these newly elected Mps open their mouth...

Posted by: Dykejumper 11th May 2015, 11:22am

Most of the 40 odd labour MP's that labour used to send were just back bench voting fodder, nothing much will change with the SNP brigade, Wee Eck will keep them on short leashes.I do look forward to the first time the Speaker allows Mhari to ask the P.M. a question.

Posted by: lubbock 11th May 2015, 11:47am

Wait and see ex king Eckie will be tearing his hair oot ...!

Posted by: john.mcn 11th May 2015, 11:50am

Wee Eck is not the leader of the SNP, he is not even the deputy leader as that title goes the Stewart Hosie who himself is an MP at Westminster(won 60% of the vote in his constituency). He will be the de facto leader of the SNP at Westminster, not Salmond.

I love how some seem to be turning their noses up at Mhairi Black simply because of the way she speaks, which as far as i'm aware is how most of the people in oor neck of the wids speak. She is at the moment doing her dissertation which means she knows how to word an argument or debate, I expect people like Jacob Rees-Mogg to mock the way she talks but certainly not her own kind... BTW she speaks with passion, which will be a welcome change to most of the bollx i hear coming from the place.

Posted by: *libby* 11th May 2015, 11:51am

I am glad Labour where voted out they have sat back long enough, not listening to voters, I turned to MSP councilor and MP for Glasgow North, requests for help ignored, SNP need in to see if they can listen to voters.

Hopefully if we have problems with GHA NG Homes. SNP will help, because Labour sat in fence far too long.

Food banks housing crisis, benefit cuts, family allowance, bedroom tax needs looked into, and other important issues like wage increases.

Please SNP this is your chance to make Scotland proud, dont let us down. If you do let people down, well we will just have to vote else were. Labour thought Scotland was for them, then they turned there backs.

Posted by: lubbock 11th May 2015, 12:04pm

I expect at least one of the new Mps will have being told to delete their social media accounts due to the opinions expressed ...

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th May 2015, 12:18pm

QUOTE (lubbock @ 11th May 2015, 12:02pm) *
The Queen of Scots will be quirming with embarrassment when some of these newly elected Mps open their mouth...


No more than King Dave of England does when his underlings open their mouths. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th May 2015, 12:21pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 11th May 2015, 12:30pm) *
Most of the 40 odd labour MP's that labour used to send were just back bench voting fodder, nothing much will change with the SNP brigade, Wee Eck will keep them on short leashes.I do look forward to the first time the Speaker allows Mhari to ask the P.M. a question.


Not a great first post Dykejumper, i suppose it will be another seven years before we read another one. unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th May 2015, 12:23pm

QUOTE (lubbock @ 11th May 2015, 01:12pm) *
I expect at least one of the new Mps will have being told to delete their social media accounts due to the opinions expressed ...


Yes, just like the Labour MP's did after their French ambassador lies were exposed. yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 11th May 2015, 03:33pm

What makes this result in Scotland so very different than previous elections of modern times is that most SNP MPs won by miles (in the order of tens of thousands), apart from in the safest Lib Dem seat that they only just lost by a few hundred votes, a Labour held seat in which they came close but lost to the 'saviour' of the local football team, and a Conservative held seat right on the English border.

I do not know what's in store for Scottish politics in the future. If people do not vote in sufficient numbers for the opposition Parties up here, then the stage is set for an SNP takeover.

Down at Westminster (http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/05/britain-s-election-2015-seats-votes-calculator), the SNP will achieve nothing by adopting a status of permanent opposition against a majority Conservative Government with enough support in the House of Commons to further reduce the SNP to a Party of protest with no influence.

Is that what everyone who backed the SNP, 'The new 50' if you like, really wants?

At Holyrood, the SNP is guaranteed free reign to govern Scotland, where the only minor opposition it will have is by virtue of the Additional Vote. The Indy Ref changed Scottish politics forever, dividing the country in two. One half of the country has just lost its voice entirely at Westminster - the half who actually want to have one huh.gif - and at next year's Scottish General Election, the 'Yes' vote will convert into another SNP takeover. MSPs of other parties might as well concede defeat already, the only debate worth having remains how heavy their defeat will be. And until Independence is won, this is how the situation shall remain.

Is this what the rest of the Scottish electorate, 'The Other Half' you might say, really wants?



Result of the 2011 Scottish general election



Predicted result in 2016 based on at least 50% of support for every SNP candidate



The result, if the paper below gets its way




Posted by: zascot 11th May 2015, 03:34pm

Having been away for so long and following the elections on Sky I found it great that the young people are so keen to get involved. I think what Scotland did will gain momentum through the UK and politicians will have no choice but to listen to the voice of the people. You will always get the a holes who find every excuse that their party lost and blame everything except their own inefficiencies. I tried not to comment on the referendum or the elections as living away I do not think I should have any say in the lives of people living there.

Posted by: john.mcn 11th May 2015, 04:58pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 11th May 2015, 03:41pm) *
What makes this result in Scotland so very different than previous elections of modern times is that most SNP MPs won by miles (in the order of tens of thousands), apart from in the safest Lib Dem seat that they only just lost by a few hundred votes, a Labour held seat in which they came close but lost to the 'saviour' of the local football team, and a Conservative held seat right on the English border.

I do not know what's in store for Scottish politics in the future. If people do not vote in sufficient numbers for the opposition Parties up here, then the stage is set for an SNP takeover.

Thats a failing in the parties themselves, not the SNP who seem to have captured the hearts of much of the population. Of course it helped a lot that Wee Nic isn't Alex Salmond, who imho is a fantastic politician but some people just couldn't take to him. Thats not to say Nic doesn't have her own qualities, she comes across as warmer and friendlier who can also take on the big boys and fight her corner. You dont get labeled the most dangerous woman in the UK by being inept.
QUOTE
Down at Westminster (http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/05/britain-s-election-2015-seats-votes-calculator), the SNP will achieve nothing by adopting a status of permanent opposition against a majority Conservative Government with enough support in the House of Commons to further reduce the SNP to a Party of protest with no influence.

Is that what everyone who backed the SNP, 'The new 50' if you like, really wants?

Their very presence in those numbers sends a big message. We've been told the UK is a family of nations so if representatives from Scotland, Wales and N Ireland vote against a motion but it's pushed through by English conservatives then how can anyone really say the present political setup works or is fair, at the very least it is only going to stoke up more resentment over the years
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At Holyrood, the SNP is guaranteed free reign to govern Scotland, where the only minor opposition it will have is by virtue of the Additional Vote. The Indy Ref changed Scottish politics forever, dividing the country in two. One half of the country has just lost its voice entirely at Westminster - the half who actually want to have one huh.gif - and at next year's Scottish General Election, the 'Yes' vote will convert into another SNP takeover. MSPs of other parties might as well concede defeat already, the only debate worth having remains how heavy their defeat will be. And until Independence is won, this is how the situation shall remain.

The 'YES' vote was split across a few parties at holyrood, it could easily revert back to that and we see stronger Green representation and even a return for the Scottish socialists
QUOTE
Is this what the rest of the Scottish electorate, 'The Other Half' you might say, really wants?



Result of the 2011 Scottish general election



Predicted result in 2016 based on at least 50% of support for every SNP candidate



The result, if the paper below gets its way





You forget the list vote

Posted by: Jupiter 11th May 2015, 05:27pm

I wonder if there will be a similar wipeout of other parties on 5th May 2016 ?

Posted by: Kemedian 11th May 2015, 09:34pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 11th May 2015, 06:06pm) *
You forget the list vote

No, that's including it.
QUOTE (Kemedian @ 11th May 2015, 04:41pm) *
the only minor opposition it will have is by virtue of the Additional Vote


QUOTE (Jupiter @ 11th May 2015, 06:35pm) *
I wonder if there will be a similar wipeout of other parties on 5th May 2016 ?

What's to wonder? The SNP has 'won Scotland' with its Yes Campaign. How 'total' the demolition of the opposition will be is the only uncertain aspect of the outcome. Not even next March's figures for the Scottish economy, due to reveal the full impact of the slump in the price of oil, will deflect 'The 45' from its course. From Holyrood, the SNP will take Scotland far, before the effects of the Indy Ref wear off; but will the Party ever achieve its main goal? Probably not, unless, like me, you have wondered all along if that isn't Devo Max?

Posted by: john.mcn 11th May 2015, 10:35pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 11th May 2015, 09:42pm) *
No, that's including it.

You call it a minor opposition, half the seats are selected using it. Your graph is flawed when you say that each seat is based on the SNP winning it with over 50% of the vote, nationwide the SNP vote was around 50%. Either way the % of the win is irrelevant as FPTP is used to select the first batch while a second vote is used to calculate the seats gained from the regional list using the additional member system form of proportional representation, not the overall percentage of the vote.
So with all that info you can then take a look at the 2011 Holyrood election and see that the SNPs share of the vote was 45.4% and 44% for the 1st and 2nd vote, yet you are foretelling another political tsunami based on a few percentage points increase.

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What's to wonder? The SNP has 'won Scotland' with its Yes Campaign. How 'total' the demolition of the opposition will be is the only uncertain aspect of the outcome. Not even next March's figures for the Scottish economy, due to reveal the full impact of the slump in the price of oil, will deflect 'The 45' from its course. From Holyrood, the SNP will take Scotland far, before the effects of the Indy Ref wear off; but will the Party ever achieve its main goal? Probably not, unless, like me, you have wondered all along if that isn't Devo Max?

The SNP won it with the anti austerity/trident choice, yes the political 'awakening' of many of the population (much of it the younger generation) during the referendum debate helped, and yes 'YES supporters from other parties came together to vote as one but you fail to see that there is a yearning for change, real change and that with the 'London parties' only offering more of the same the only two choices left were abstain or vote for change with the SNP.

Posted by: GG 11th May 2015, 11:17pm

These dafties in the media still don't get it. Scroll down to see how the English-based media is still intent on focusing on meaningless trivialities while the world moves on passed their nasty wee racist agendas.

https://archive.is/XdCwJ

GG.

Posted by: GG 11th May 2015, 11:23pm

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Posted by: john.mcn 12th May 2015, 12:16am

QUOTE (GG @ 11th May 2015, 11:25pm) *
These dafties in the media still don't get it. Scroll down to see how the English-based media is still intent on focusing on meaningless trivialities while the world moves on passed their nasty wee racist agendas.

https://archive.is/XdCwJ

GG.


Funny how 4 protesters somehow multiplies to 30 when the DM reports it.

Posted by: tamhickey 12th May 2015, 05:08am

The Labour Party still don't get it. Not once during the campaign did I hear the word socialism in anything they said. For some reason, the media described Ed Milliband as leading a left wing campaign. Can't think why. A promise of a minimum wage of 8 an hour by 2020? A promise to clampdown on immigration, producing mugs for sale mirroring UKIP? Promoting austerity to the country but in some kind of slowed down way? Doing away with zero hours contracts that some of their MP'S already use for their staff? Now the leadership hopefuls, following Mr. Millibands fall from grace are all with one voice saying the party needs to become a more revisionist one, of going back to Blairism. Jesus wept. he very man who helped rip the soul out of the Party is seen to be a more important totem to these misguided careerists than socialism. It looks like they are also trying to cut any ties they had with the trades union movement who helped build them, but that comes as no great surprise. They want to be just like the Tories, caring nothing for anything other than the pursuit of power, money, influence and a seat in the Lords. I feel desperately sorry for all of the good people within the Labour Party who are being treated with contempt by these poisonous snakes within, and wish it could be otherwise, a redistributive party, against austerity, Trident, workers rights to the fore etc, but it is not. People didn't leave Labour, Labour left the people. They are diminished hugely if they fail to see the needs of those same people and decide their careers are more important. If they truly intend to go down this path, then the Conservatives will win again in 2020. Why? Because in the absence of an alternative, people will vote as they already did, but maybe in bigger numbers. I truly hope we're well out of it by then and leave them to squabble over their expenses.

Posted by: ktv 12th May 2015, 08:34am

QUOTE (GG @ 12th May 2015, 12:31am) *
Eh??? censored.png


GG.


hes reading this out...... http://mashable.com/2015/05/11/why-scotland-voted-snp/

Posted by: ktv 12th May 2015, 09:31am

seems labours plight is being featured in the next indy (jones) movie

http://newsthump.com/2015/05/12/new-indiana-jones-film-to-feature-search-for-the-missing-labour-pledge-stone/

Posted by: Scotsman 13th May 2015, 11:17am

Looks like the Unions MSPs are ganging up to get rid of Jim Murphy but I hope he manages to hang on because he has done a brilliant job as tea boy of the branch office.... just not for Labour that is!!

Good luck to Jim Boy!! smile.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 13th May 2015, 11:36am

Indeed, thinking back when we some of us were slamming Murphy the labour supporters thought it was because we were scared of him, not so it was simply because he was an imbecile and as we can see the best thing for the SNP. The longer he stays on (and Holyrood labour voted to support him just on Monday) then the more the public will turn away from labour. Its a non paying job while he isn't an elected politician but he's entitled to that 30 odd grand pay off to cushion the blow into 'normality'

Posted by: ktv 13th May 2015, 11:51am

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 13th May 2015, 12:25pm) *
Looks like the Unions MSPs are ganging up to get rid of Jim Murphy


WHAT!!!!!!

after all the hard work he put in so easily hoodwinking the SNP?


hahahahaha

Posted by: GG 13th May 2015, 09:05pm

The response of a prominent Labour activist:

QUOTE
Scotland's new SNP MPs are a mixture of “some good people, some numpties, some trots, some fascist scum”, according to prominent Labour activist Ian Smart.

Tweeting on Monday night, the lawyer and blogger said that the “SNP never changes”.

And seemingly neither does Smart. This isn't the first time the Labour Twitter favourite has compared the SNP to fascists and the Nazis.

The former president of the Law Society in Scotland, who has tried repeatedly to become an MSP for the Labour Party, called Paisley MP Mhairi Black a “Nazi”.

Last June, Smart tweeted: “Are we really going to go through the entire D-day weekend without anybody pointing out the SNP were on the Nazi side?”

In a heated exchange in the Scottish Parliament over party political Twitter trolling, Scottish Labour’s Deputy Leader Kezia Dugdale promised to look into Smart’s offensive tweeting.

During the election campaign, Jim Murphy, the Scottish Labour leader, said Smart had been given a talking to.

Last night, after Smart’s latest tweet, SNP MSP Humza Yousaf asked Dugdale for an update. However, Dugdale did not reply.

Full story here:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/labour-man-ian-smart-new-snp-mps-trots-and-fascists.2919

GG.

Posted by: GG 13th May 2015, 09:19pm

The topic poll is pretty convincing!

(Screenshot below in case you are using an iPad/Pod/Phone.)




GG.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th May 2015, 09:06am

QUOTE (GG @ 13th May 2015, 10:13pm) *
The response of a prominent Labour activist:

Full story here:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/labour-man-ian-smart-new-snp-mps-trots-and-fascists.2919

GG.


" some fascist scum”, according to prominent Labour activist Ian Smart."

What's that old saying again?

I remember now, "it take's one to know one". yes.gif

Posted by: Alex MacPhee 14th May 2015, 09:10am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 14th May 2015, 10:14am) *
What's that old saying again?

I remember now, "it take's one to know one".


So, you wouldn't recognise a lying politician if you saw one?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th May 2015, 09:13am

QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 14th May 2015, 10:18am) *
So, you wouldn't recognise a lying politician if you saw one?


I assume they're all lying until they prove me wrong Alex.

Anyway Herr (not so) Smart isn't a politician.

Posted by: Alex MacPhee 14th May 2015, 10:25am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 14th May 2015, 10:21am) *
I assume they're all lying until they prove me wrong Alex.


And then you'd recognise them ...

Posted by: flam 14th May 2015, 10:56am

I presume you mean all politicians?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th May 2015, 11:24am

QUOTE (flam @ 14th May 2015, 12:04pm) *
I presume you mean all politicians?


Which part of "they're all lying" are you having difficulty understanding?

Posted by: Betsy2009 14th May 2015, 01:26pm

Not the only ones who wanted rid of Labour ...

"Thousands of people in the North of England have been using the hashtag "take us with you Scotland" to express their upset about the result of last week's general election, and the Scottish nationalists are welcoming this English minority with open arms."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-32736153

Posted by: *Blackie* 15th May 2015, 11:39pm

Lets see what happens now and give them a chance.

Posted by: serabash 16th May 2015, 10:27am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 14th May 2015, 02:34pm) *
Not the only ones who wanted rid of Labour ...

"Thousands of people in the North of England have been using the hashtag "take us with you Scotland" to express their upset about the result of last week's general election, and the Scottish nationalists are welcoming this English minority with open arms."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-32736153

28.000 and counting betsy. things are a changing . yes.gif

Posted by: Betsy2009 16th May 2015, 10:47am

I do wish Westminster would take this subtle hint, but I doubt it.
Given all the problems in the country it's interesting that one of the first things the Tories and looking at is lifting the fox hunting ban, along with reducing the welfare budget again.
Ho hum!
Mind you, it does mean that the Tories are acting like Tories whereas Labour didn't act like Labour, hence their downfall.

Posted by: Melody 18th May 2015, 09:00am

Aw Betsy, sure the Tories have to keep their priorities right. angry.gif Looks like the New Labour Party will be calling themselves the 'New' 'New' Labour Party they seem to be ditching the unions and trying to appeal to the English voters by being even more right wing. I think they've ditched us in Scotland we're too left wing for them. laugh.gif

Posted by: serabash 18th May 2015, 09:42am

think you have that dead right melody.

Posted by: Tally Rand 25th May 2015, 01:25pm

QUOTE (*Liam* @ 8th May 2015, 10:01am) *
Glasgow lost its soul last night. Socialism is a nobler aspiration than nationalism. Independence will make the poor poorer.The radical left in Scotland has been conned by the yellow rosettes.

Socialism is a noble idea, an ideal whose aspirations are held in total contempt by socialist politicians once elected to enhance the prospects of the lower order of humanity, to advance the living standards of the poor and oppressed.

The aspirations of Scottish Labour were to get to London as fast as possible, access that six digit salary, get the taxpayer funded car and an expense account to rival a Wall St. broker. Noble aspirations????

"Hey whit are you oan Jimmy?"

Posted by: wombat 25th May 2015, 08:58pm

thumbup.gif spot on tally rand thumbup.gif

Posted by: Scotsman 27th May 2015, 10:55am

QUOTE (Tally Rand @ 25th May 2015, 02:33pm) *
Socialism is a noble idea, an ideal whose aspirations are held in total contempt by socialist politicians once elected to enhance the prospects of the lower order of humanity, to advance the living standards of the poor and oppressed.

Absolutely!! I can think of dozens of these Labour chumps who took all they could get for themselves and gave nothing back to the people they were supposed to represent. They simply forgot about ordinary people once they had went to Westminster. It was just one big gravy train for them.... meanwhile the living standard of ordinary Glaswegians has went down generation after generation until we now have young people who have absolutely NO HOPE of getting a decent job and living a decent life.

Posted by: bardowie 31st May 2015, 07:18pm

QUOTE (*GARYLEE* @ 8th May 2015, 11:00am) *
Its a shameful day for Scotland - we have voted for a separatist party who would gladly cut the poor south of the border or anywhere else adrift. The same party who ushered in Margaret Thatcher has helped cement David Cameron into Downing Street. I had to laugh at the bluster of Salmond this morning, does he honestly believe 56 SNP Westminister MP's some of whom will still be able to get half fare on the train down to London will dictate to 325 Tories, get real !!! Unfortunately we now have 2 dictatorships in the UK, Sturgeons and Camerons and Socialism is dead

garry Who was a socialist

Posted by: Alex MacPhee 31st May 2015, 07:25pm

QUOTE (*GARYLEE* @ 8th May 2015, 12:00pm) *
The same party who ushered in Margaret Thatcher has helped cement David Cameron into Downing Street.


Can you explain how that worked?


Posted by: GG 31st May 2015, 08:42pm

This helps inform the story ...












GG.

Posted by: *Richardor* 30th Jun 2015, 10:47pm

So the SNP currently has 56 MPs in Westminster.

What exactly have they managed to do?

Anything other than claim expenses?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp! smile.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 1st Jul 2015, 01:22am

QUOTE (*Richardor* @ 30th Jun 2015, 10:55pm) *
So the SNP currently has 56 MPs in Westminster.

What exactly have they managed to do?

Anything other than claim expenses?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp! smile.gif

Vote for measures that they believe will benefit Scotland and the people within it, of course in this apparently 'equal union' we can have almost every Scottish MP vote for such measures but MP's in England vote it down and cheer in the process... Equality Union style.. Of course maybe those MP's who voted to keep us chained to westminster economic policy might have voted differently if they even showed up for debates on the Scotland bill, but they dont, they only march down to vote under orders to shoot them down one after the other..

They can also show up the stupid old customs like not being allowed to clap...oops except MP's have clapped in the past, the rules are only enforced when the Daily Torygraph complains and it's the SNP doing the clapping.

There's also that other convention on where MP's sit, if the libdems are the 3rd party then no problem as there a wee section for them, but if it's the SNP the London media are up in arms they have the audacity to think they can take their rightful place in that same section.

What the SNP have done is shown up the other parties when they actually show up for debates, quite shocking for 'our' democracy i know, they only time we see as much enthusiasm from the other parties is when they're voting themselves a nice wage rise.

After watching a few debates and speeches (Tommy Shepperd is very good) i do think the people who voted them made the right decision. Maybe the question you should be asking that after decades in power in Scotland what did Labour do apart from collect expenses and sort themselves a nice wee seat in the House of old fogies..

Posted by: ktv 1st Jul 2015, 07:26am

aye and labour have hundreds of mps and have done nothing but back the tories at every move.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Jul 2015, 08:20am

QUOTE (*Richardor* @ 30th Jun 2015, 11:55pm) *
So the SNP currently has 56 MPs in Westminster.

What exactly have they managed to do?

Anything other than claim expenses?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp! smile.gif

Is it only unionist MP's that can claim expenses Dick?

Of course you won't reply Dick, but could you tell me what the 41 Labour MP's from Scotland in the last parliament actually did for us?

Apart from not voting to abolish the bedroom tax and marching in shoulder to shoulder with the Tories on the 13th January 2015 to sign up to support 30billion of austerity cuts.

Answers on the back of half a postage stamp.

Over to you Dick.

Posted by: Sam 17th Jul 2015, 08:42am

Absolutely fantastic to see a poll out today that said that the liars at the Labour Party have lost oven more support since they were routed in the general election. Long may this continue. It's time to remove this horrible group of self-serving hypocrites from Glasgow politics forever, starting with the risible leader Gordon Matheson who will be ejected from his post very shortly. Good riddance.

Posted by: Talisman 23rd Jul 2015, 09:15pm

QUOTE (Sam @ 17th Jul 2015, 08:50am) *
Absolutely fantastic to see a poll out today that said that the liars at the Labour Party have lost oven more support since they were routed in the general election. Long may this continue. It's time to remove this horrible group of self-serving hypocrites from Glasgow politics forever, starting with the risible leader Gordon Matheson who will be ejected from his post very shortly. Good riddance.

"Scottish Labour" is that an oxymoron, a paradox or contradiction. Maybe it's just pure sarcasm.

Posted by: GG 8th Aug 2015, 08:29pm

Labour humiliated in the council by-elections on Thursday. No wonder council 'leader' Gordon Matheson is so keen on bailing out of the council and hoping for list MSP seat via the back door.

From the BBC, that, as usual, slants it from an anti-SNP angle :

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Swing from Labour
In the poll in Glasgow's Langside ward, where the SNP won a seat from the Greens, first-preference voting was: SNP 2,134, Labour 932, Green 579, Conservative 379, Liberal Democrats 125, Ukip 65, TUSC 62.

The swing from Labour to the SNP was 13%. The Greens saw their vote share increase by 4.5 points but it was not enough to hold the seat they had won when three seats were contested in the ward in 2012. Turnout was 21.7%.

At Glasgow, Calton, the SNP held the council seat vacated by new MP Alison Thewliss with 1,507 first-preference votes against Labour 814, Conservative 129, Ukip 103, Green 99, Independent 47 and Lib Dems 18. The swing from Labour to the SNP was 25%, and turnout 16.1%.

At Glasgow, Anderston/City, formerly represented by new MP Martin Docherty, the SNP held the seat with 1,441 first-count votes against Labour 857, Green 414, Conservative 164, Lib Dem 66, Ukip 43, Libertarian 12. Swing from Labour to SNP was 20%, and turnout 14.5%

The SNP also held a seat at Glasgow, Craigton. First-preference voting was: SNP 2,674, Labour 1,643, Conservative 300, Green 136, Ukip 95, Lib Dem 87. Swing from Lab to SNP was 21.5%, and turnout 21.7%.

GG.

Posted by: ktv 28th Aug 2015, 08:03am

lol


 

Posted by: GG 21st Oct 2015, 10:10pm

From the Scotsman today:

QUOTE
Scots voters consider Labour ‘irrelevant’

Labour is seen as “irrelevant” and “part of the past” by voters in Scotland who have deserted the party, research using focus groups into the party’s heavy General Election defeat in May has found.

The focus groups conducted in Edinburgh and Glasgow for the party found that Labour was seen as “indistinguishable from the Tories” and “an incompetent version” of the them.

There was also anger about Labour “taking Scotland for granted” for years has dissipated, but only because the party is “simply an irrelevance” which is “firmly in the past….part of the heritage.”

The party’s research said: “Labour must re-build in Scotland as a credible alternative to the SNP that isn’t at the beck and call of Westminster”. It said the party should “consider rebranding Scottish Labour as independent.”

However, it also found there were some underlying fears that Scotland is becoming a one-party state, and many voters would have preferred a Labour-SNP coalition.

Some Scots were also “anxious” about the Conservative Government.

“By far the biggest concern is that Scotland will continue to be ignored and Cameron’s promises on devo max will never materialise,” the research said.

GG.

Posted by: john.mcn 1st Nov 2015, 04:59pm

The labour party's branch in Scotland has voted not to renew Trident.
Kezia Dugdale though as the branch manager is pro renewal (but pro worldwide nuclear disarmament)
The Main party darn sooth votes to renew despite their leader being against renewal..
unsure.gif

Now what happens if by a miracle that UK labour are elected to office in the next decade, are the Labour MP/MP's in Scotland to follow the branch office vote or do they vote with the ruling UK Labour?

All terribly confusing for us lowly plebs, anyone would think that either those at the Perth conferance really believe they are independent (lets see what the ballot papers say), or that they are taking us for mugs and kidding us on that that vote has any power over UK Labour policy..

Posted by: carmella 2nd Nov 2015, 10:27am

Well John, that's one heck of a question, going by what we've seen over the years, I would think your last sentence would be the case. I may be wrong (again) but I can't see the Scottish Labour contingent, holding up against the big boys nationally! My late father always convinced us that the only interest the Labour Party had in Scotland was its votes - I firmly believe this.

But, the question of Trident has set me thinking once again. I have always thought we should keep our Nuclear capability, since it might leave us vulnerable without it. However, if I, or anyone else, believes this, then it follows that unilateral disarmament, is the way to go, this way no-one poses a nuclear threat to anyone.

However, I'm a little confused now as I have come to realize that whether we have nuclear capability or not, you will never get some of the most dangerous Leaders to agree to get rid of theirs, even if they agreed, we would need proof that they had indeed got rid of them!

If we get rid of Trident, will it make our wee country safer in future? I can't imagine that without Trident, some eejit somewhere would say 'aye let's blow up Scotland.

If I hadn't woke up this morning, my brain wouldn't be in thinking mode, which is dangerous, maybe I'll go back to sleep. Oh, I'm getting a parcel delivery so I can't.


Posted by: john.mcn 2nd Nov 2015, 02:34pm

I replied to kems post about this on the independence thread, the one where he complains about the after effects of the referendum yet keeps going on about it and uses any excuse (including this one) to bash the SNP. He's like a wee Kem the Tank engine on a railtrack so only knows one route, only problem with that is he has do a lot of backing up wink.gif

The thing with the Labour party up here, all it's big hitters were in Westminster andf they're all probably signing on or are consultants being employed by labour councils now, the one thats left is only famous for complaining about his offices being vandalised when someone stuck a YES sticker on the door, pity it wasn't a gate because then we could call it stickergate biggrin.gif

Yes Prime minister on replacing Polaris, and here we are again with replacing it's replacement biggrin.gif


Posted by: carmella 2nd Nov 2015, 02:42pm

One of the best comedies in tv history, I loved that - made my day. I also don't think this little sketch is too far removed from what happens with their civil servant advisers in situ - loved it. laugh.gif

Posted by: Talisman 3rd Nov 2015, 11:01am

QUOTE (carmella @ 2nd Nov 2015, 02:50pm) *
One of the best comedies in tv history, I loved that - made my day. I also don't think this little sketch is too far removed from what happens with their civil servant advisers in situ - loved it. laugh.gif

Comedy!!!! an' heer's me thinkin it wis a Drama documentary.

Posted by: john.mcn 3rd Nov 2015, 09:37pm

Former Labour MP for Glasgow South has had enough of labour it seems

QUOTE
“Shadow Minister Catherine West says she’ll consult “Stop the War” in the event of a vote on military action in Syria.

Jesus. Where to start?

You’ll be familiar with the phrase “Jump the Shark”; it’s when a TV series is widely acknowledged to have become so unbelievable that it’s obviously lost the plot. It derives from an episode of “Happy Days”, when Fonzie literally jumps a shark filled tank on his motorbike. Apparently.
So anyway, after 60 per cent votes for sure fire election losers, IRA-supporting Shadow Chancellors and Scottish Labour unnecessarily splitting the party on issues over which it has no responsibility, we have a Shadow Minister telling “Stop the War” – a madcap coalition of trots, Islamists and anti-west fury chimps – that Labour will consult them on how it will vote on Syria.

So that’s it. Labour has jumped the shark. It has gone from “a bit bonkers” to “irredeemable” in the space of a single day.

And I give up. That’s it for me. Giving. Up.

Goodbye.”


Labour has jumped the Shark...Brilliant!!!! sign_lol.gif

Posted by: GG 14th Nov 2015, 09:58pm

Oh dear, this is getting embarrassing, as the deluded and vain failed MP, Anas Sarwar, now looks to be trying to buy his way back into the Scottish Labour's disintegrating political scene by offering former colleagues a free lunch! rolleyes.gif

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No such thing as a free lunch?

Scottish Labour deputy leader Anas Sarwar has unnerved his colleagues after booking out a 500-seater venue with an offer of free dinner to set out his vision for the party.

In the clear first move of his anticipated political comeback, Mr Sarwar, who lost his Glasgow Central Westminster seat in May, has contacted parliamentarians, councillors and activists with an invite to hear his "view on the future of the Labour Party and Scotland".

Guests at the Riverside Palace will be treated to dinner at a restaurant on Glasgow's south side which bills itself as "one of Scotland's leading banqueting venues", holds up to 500 people and "boasts a high degree of elegance and grandeur".

The move has raised eyebrows amongst senior party figures, who believe it is a clear pitch to re-position himself at Scottish Labour's top table.

With Labour's candidate rules changed, Mr Sarwar is expected to top Glasgow's regional list, which now must be based on a male and female taking the top two slots.

Despite several Glasgow constituencies yet to nominate their Labour candidate, it is understood Mr Sarwar had ruled out a head-to-head with the SNP as his route back to politics. ...

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/14031594.No_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch__Ousted_MP_Anas_Sawar_throwing_banquet_for_scores_of_Scottish_Labour_faithful

GG.

Posted by: Betsy2009 14th Nov 2015, 10:05pm

Will all the left over food be given to the food banks???

Posted by: Talisman 15th Nov 2015, 01:50pm

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Will all the left over food be given to the food banks???

It will be distributed to needy debutants, other politicians, deserving bookies
and impecunious developers.

Posted by: Betsy2009 15th Nov 2015, 02:23pm

Isn't that the guest list?

Posted by: Talisman 20th Nov 2015, 10:19pm

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Isn't that the guest list?

Not really; these are the ones who live most of the year on the Costa Del Sol and have trouble balancing their lifestyle with their tax payer funded incomes.

Posted by: Scotsman 6th May 2016, 09:17am

Here we go again.... another Labour wipeout in Glasgow!! yes.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-scotland-36221850

Posted by: Stevenjow 2nd Nov 2016, 10:18pm

Lets hope for more of the same next year!!

Posted by: Talisman 4th Nov 2016, 09:49pm

QUOTE (Stevenjow @ 2nd Nov 2016, 10:18pm) *
Lets hope for more of the same next year!!

As an almost life long socialist and ardent Labour supporter, I have now come to realise the wisdom and righteous sentiment expressed in the song ( in relation to all labour party reps and pollies)

"The working class can kiss my A%^&#, I've got a bosses job at last" (or at least I have crawled in to my fuzzy warm hive of Westminster).

Posted by: GG 21st Feb 2017, 11:41pm

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'Malpractice' claim at (Labour) Glasgow City Council

Police have met senior figures at Glasgow City Council amid allegations of malpractice, it has emerged.

It follows claims of cronyism within the land and environmental services department.
A long-running internal investigation has been looking at a number of issues, including alleged procurement irregularities.

The department's executive director resigned last November.

Police Scotland said their inquiries were at an early stage.

BBC Scotland understands officers have taken an interest in issues that arose through Glasgow City Council's internal investigation and that the local authority would be willing to co-operate with police.

It is also understood that a meeting took place recently between the council and police and that some of the issues spoken about involved people outside the council. [...]

Full story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39037490

GG.

Posted by: Dykejumper 22nd Feb 2017, 12:41am

No doubt that the outcome will probably be that there is insufficient evidence of malpractice.

Posted by: norrie123 22nd Feb 2017, 11:14am

I wont hold my breath
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: GG 6th May 2017, 09:30am

Labour is now utterly humiliated in Glasgow at UK, Scottish and city level. The inept and corrupt regime that allowed this city to crumble and its people to suffer has now been ousted from every level of power in Scotland's largest and the UK's most deprived city.

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Labour ousted from Glasgow for the first time since 1980

Nicola Sturgeon has hailed a “fantastic” series of council election results after the Scottish National party won the most seats in Scotland’s four largest cities, unseating Labour in its former heartland of Glasgow.

The first minister said the wins gave her party “a clear, emphatic election victory”, but the results failed to meet pre-election expectations, with the SNP unable to win any overall majorities in the face of a surge in support for the Conservatives.

After ending 40 years of Labour domination in Glasgow, and becoming the largest party in Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee, Sturgeon said her party now had “a spring in our step and the wind in our sails”.

She added: “This is a fantastic election victory for the SNP, coming off our election victory last year and the one in the general election the year before that. It gives us a great launchpad for the general election in a few weeks’ time.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/05/labour-loses-control-of-glasgow-city-council-as-snp-makes-gains

And just a few days ago, confirmation that when thousands of people in the city resort to Food Bank usage, the Labour party was still rewarding the useless chums it had placed in positions of power throughout the city...

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Top salaries rise at Glasgow City Council despite cuts

Top earners at Glasgow City Council and the authority’s spin-off companies have seen their salaries rise significantly despite serious cuts to council budgets, the Ferret can reveal.

The number of Glasgow City Council employees earning 60,000 or more rose from 85 earning collectively 6,829,763 in 2013/14, to 91 taking home 7,473,187 in 2015/16, according to figures released to The Ferret under Freedom of Information law.

Annemarie O’Donnell, Glasgow City council chief, had a total remuneration of 180,894 in 2015/16, up from 166,335 the previous year, according to Glasgow City Council’s annual accounts.

Total remuneration for Glasgow City council’s senior employees rose from 1,068,109 in 2014/15 to 1,146,118 last year.

Five other staff on the Labour-controlled council – Scotland’s largest local authority – earned over one quarter of a million pounds including heads of the financial, corporate, education, and land and environmental services [...]

https://theferret.scot/top-salaries-rise-at-glasgow-city-council-despite-cuts/

GG.

Posted by: fourbytwo 6th May 2017, 12:17pm

....Here's hoping the SNP fully investigate, all the fiddles and funding side-swiping from the Labour Council.....will probably find a whole plethora of similar manipulations of budgets, to cover more illegal activities..... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 7th May 2017, 01:22pm

Would that be the same SNP who lost 2 M.P.s because of alleged financial irregularities and who have a third still under investigation?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th May 2017, 03:11pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 7th May 2017, 02:22pm) *
Would that be the same SNP who lost 2 M.P.s because of alleged financial irregularities and who have a third still under investigation?


Have any charges been brought, do tell?

Posted by: Dykejumper 16th May 2017, 03:03pm

Now we have Tasmina Shreik under a cloud for professional misconduct, bit of a political butterfly is TS as the SNP is her third party. She once said Fat Eck should hang his head in shame so she does have that as a redeeming feature.

Posted by: john.mcn 16th May 2017, 07:37pm

Wasn't Natalie McGarry charged by police?