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> Is The Union Already Lost?, Referendum: 18th September 2014
carmella
post 25th Aug 2014, 04:29pm
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Melody I'm with you on this, whether we choose to vote yes or no, one thing that fails me is why people get so hot under the collar about our great country, yet choose not to live in it, and made their choice in most cases many years ago, when the subject of Independence wasn't even on the table.

Unlike Angel who obviously has had better experiences than me, I have several times in my many visits to other countries - top of the list, when I was in the States that people [albeit ignorant people] thought Scotland was in 'England'.

I knew perfectly well what they were meaning - to many in the USA particularly, they give the UK a generic name of England, so I suppose you could say they really mean the UK or Great Britain but simply say 'England'.

Perhaps Angel has just not come across this, and perhaps she may still.


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post 26th Aug 2014, 01:26pm
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Just a by the by Carmella, a few years ago my daughters were in New York, whilst speaking to a few Americans they explained that they were Scottish. 'Oh Spice Girls' was the retort from the Americans. Now they look nor sound like The Spice Girls than fly in the air (thank goodness) those Americans had no clue as to where Scotland was. My Dad used to say, 'Lets see how Scottish they really and ask them to come back over here. laugh.gif
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post 26th Aug 2014, 01:46pm
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Melody, I am doing stolid missionary work here in Spain. My neighbours are all now well educated. It´s a bit tougher with English expats, who still insist on asking us when our next trip to England is due. Not so much an education problem as one of inbred habit.


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post 26th Aug 2014, 02:04pm
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I agree with both of you, I no longer travel outside of Scotland, but I used to travel an awful lot, and it would be hard for a lot of people who have not yet experienced it, but the British, Scottish, English this I have experienced many many times.

My family background is Malta, and I remember the first time I went over with my mother to see extended family, being totally surprised because, as you know Malta was given the G.C., now it's a tiny wee island, and I was utterly amazed when in discussion with them, that they completely separated Scots from English.

If they can do it, you wonder why the rest of the world can't.

The Maltese are very fond of the Scots, but less keen on the English.


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post 26th Aug 2014, 02:22pm
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QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 26th Aug 2014, 03:03pm) *
Melody, I am doing stolid missionary work here in Spain. My neighbours are all now well educated. ItŽs a bit tougher with English expats, who still insist on asking us when our next trip to England is due. Not so much an education problem as one of inbred habit.

Good man Bill, I just knew you would. smile.gif
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post 26th Aug 2014, 02:24pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 26th Aug 2014, 03:21pm) *
I agree with both of you, I no longer travel outside of Scotland, but I used to travel an awful lot, and it would be hard for a lot of people who have not yet experienced it, but the British, Scottish, English this I have experienced many many times.

My family background is Malta, and I remember the first time I went over with my mother to see extended family, being totally surprised because, as you know Malta was given the G.C., now it's a tiny wee island, and I was utterly amazed when in discussion with them, that they completely separated Scots from English.

If they can do it, you wonder why the rest of the world can't.

The Maltese are very fond of the Scots, but less keen on the English.

I have found that Italians think the very same Carmella
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post 26th Aug 2014, 02:57pm
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I have been in America many times visiting my sister and have no problem with her friends or my American bro-in-law's relation's with my Scottish accent, they know I am from Scotland.

It's with other people whom I meet, and I have been asked many times if I am Irish. wub.gif


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post 26th Aug 2014, 06:22pm
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QUOTE (angel @ 8th May 2014, 11:14pm) *
I have never met in my travels , any replies regarding my nationality , that said I was Engish , MAYBE IRISH , not that , that would bother me ,
to my mind it simply means that we are part of a great nation that is called , THE UNITED KINGDOM

Angel I thought you were Canadian and proud of it that being said regarding your nationality you hold a Canadian passport so you are a Canadian, pay taxes here I presume, vote in federal and Provincial elections and have a good life here in Canadaso I don't understand when you post "we are part of a great Nation called United Kingdom" I don't rememberCanada ever becoming part of the UK or maybe I missed the referendum and thought it was Quebec.

You don't pay taxes nor contribute in any other way to Scotland so why may I ask should you be able to vote in a referendum concerning the people who live and work there all their lives, I still have family and friend there I have lived in Canada for nearly 40 years and still get asked sometimes if I'm English especially when travelling in the States but of course a lot of the people there don't know anything about the State where they live never mind Scotland they are very ignorant to places other in their own backyard and some don't even know that.
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post 29th Aug 2014, 01:35am
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Angel I thought you were Canadian and proud of it that being said regarding your nationality you hold a Canadian passport so you are a Canadian, pay taxes here I presume, vote in federal and Provincial elections and have a good life here in Canadaso I don't understand when you post "we are part of a great Nation called United Kingdom" I don't rememberCanada ever becoming part of the UK or maybe I missed the referendum and thought it was Quebec.

You don't pay taxes nor contribute in any other way to Scotland so why may I ask should you be able to vote in a referendum concerning the people who live and work there all their lives, I still have family and friend there I have lived in Canada for nearly 40 years and still get asked sometimes if I'm English especially when travelling in the States but of course a lot of the people there don't know anything about the State where they live never mind Scotland they are very ignorant to places other in their own backyard and some don't even know that.

Although I am Glaswegian and Scottish from generations I have lived the better part of my life in Australia and would not have it any other way.
I am often when overseas asked if I am American ( my wife is); Anglos will ask if I am Irish. I now speak passable English and regardless of what people may think I still have a distinct Scottish accent, though the Glesga has faded I can still hear my father's voice in mine. Do I have an opinion on Scottish independence from "the Great Nation that is called The united kingdom" I have no right to vote in that referendum as I will never be affected by the out come except emotionally. Those who like myself have chosen to make their homes elsewhere even if they retain citizenship of said "Sceptered Isle" and have told themselves that they will some day return, it is for the citizens of Scotland to decidewithout fear or favour from any quarter.
Soar Alba!
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post 29th Aug 2014, 10:50am
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QUOTE (Heather @ 26th Aug 2014, 04:14pm) *
I have been in America many times visiting my sister and have no problem with her friends or my American bro-in-law's relation's with my Scottish accent, they know I am from Scotland.

It's with other people whom I meet, and I have been asked many times if I am Irish. wub.gif

Heather, I don't know where your sister lives, I am talking more about places I think, that are not used to hearing a Scottish accent or indeed, and English one, certainly off the beaten track this would be the case, but in places such as New York, Chicago and Boston, to name but three, these cities are in States where there is a large Scottish, Irish population going back a hundred years or more, so they are in tune with the different accents, and I certainly wouldn't expect them not to know the difference if they heard me talk.

If you go to the mid west or southern States, it is very different, whether they hear your accent or not seems to be immaterial, they just know you are not American and as soon as you are asked and say Scotland, that's when on numerous occasions, I've had someone or other say 'oh that's in England'. I know perfectly well what they mean, because they think the United Kingdom is England as a whole, they know very little about us or our history.


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post 29th Aug 2014, 12:22pm
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I live in Cambridge for a wee while and I was totally perplexed as to why loads of Russian people kept coming up to me and speaking Russian...

ermmm im Scottish and I don't know what your saying was my constant response but always got told they though I sounded Russian when they heard me talking.

I still have no idea why Russian thought I sounded Russian when I was speaking in English

when I went to Canada they thought I was German

tis a very strange world indeed lol
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post 30th Aug 2014, 01:55am
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Just been following the thread adn have to agree if I don´t live in Scotland and don´t pay taxes in Scotland why would I ever expect to have the right to vote on the future of those who do. People still ask what way I would vote and I say Iĺl tell you after the referendum whether I´m pleased or not


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post 30th Aug 2014, 10:34am
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QUOTE (ktv @ 29th Aug 2014, 01:39pm) *
... I still have no idea why Russian thought I sounded Russian when I was speaking in English

I've had that a few times from Russians over here too, including many other wrong guesses at my nationality but one German guy with whom I was speaking German did ask me which part of "Glesca" I came from: he worked at Glasgow Airport for 12 years and said if I'd been speakin' Mandarin he'd still have been able to spot ma Glesca Accent.
That left me real chuffed.
They always show surprize when told I have no say in the upcoming vote; regardless of the "Proud Scot" Saltire sticker on the back of my car. I tell them that if I hadn't been living here for the last quarter century and more I'd be a YES man at home. thumbup.gif


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post 30th Aug 2014, 01:35pm
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Good on ye THH. smile.gif
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post 30th Aug 2014, 02:00pm
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Angel I thought you were Canadian and proud of it that being said regarding your nationality you hold a Canadian passport so you are a Canadian, pay taxes here I presume, vote in federal and Provincial elections and have a good life here in Canadaso I don't understand when you post "we are part of a great Nation called United Kingdom" I don't rememberCanada ever becoming part of the UK or maybe I missed the referendum and thought it was Quebec.

You don't pay taxes nor contribute in any other way to Scotland so why may I ask should you be able to vote in a referendum concerning the people who live and work there all their lives, I still have family and friend there I have lived in Canada for nearly 40 years and still get asked sometimes if I'm English especially when travelling in the States but of course a lot of the people there don't know anything about the State where they live never mind Scotland they are very ignorant to places other in their own backyard and some don't even know that.

I don't understand when you post "we are part of a great Nation called United Kingdom" I don't rememberCanada ever becoming part of the UK or maybe I missed the referendum and thought it was Quebec.
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hello guest , "when I said that we are part of a great nation " , I think that you understood very well that it was simply a slip of the pen on my part , my reference being to the scottish people .

If you have read my posts you will see that at no time have I said , ' I have a right to vote in this referendum " , however guest , I do have an opinion to which I am entitled and that being , I believe in a united Kindom , and it is entirely up to those who live in Scotland to vote for what they believe

also guest I do not need you telling me what I pay or don't in Canada or Scotland but your presumption is correct when it comes to my payment of taxes here in Canada .


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