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post 3rd Oct 2010, 09:25am
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Figures just released show that the culture of academic failure in Glasgow's secondary schools continues to blight the lives of children across the city. The Scottish Government statistics tell how Glasgow City Council schools remain firmly rooted at the bottom of national league tables of attainment, with the gap between Glasgow and the best-achieving authorities widening at an alarming rate.

Taken over the last two years, the number of pupils passing three Highers has risen just one percentage point in city schools to a miserable 16%; the corresponding rate for neighbouring East Renfrewshire schools has rocketed by six times the Glasgow rate to 53%. In terms of a comparison with the Scottish average, Glasgow City Council schools continue to perform well behind the national average of 24%.

The growing attainment gap means that the overwhelming majority of Glasgow children will struggle to compete for meaningful employment in a highly competitive jobs' market. The likelihood is that the inequality of opportunity reinforced by Glasgow's schools will mean that the city's young people will be increasingly marginalised in society, finding even low-paid employment difficult to acquire. Long-term unemployment will be a reality for many.

Des McNulty, Labour education spokesman, linked Glasgow's shameful performance to social deprivation in the city:
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"The key is early intervention and that's why we support Glasgow's innovative 'nurture' classes and nursery provision for vulnerable two-year-olds.

The SNP have failed to deliver significant reductions in class sizes; meanwhile some of our most vulnerable children have been left without the necessary support to succeed."

John Dickie, chairman of Child Poverty Action Scotland, said:
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"Urgent action is needed to prevent poverty and poor education attainment perpetuating down the generations.

There is the fundamental problem that too many families don't have the resources, such as internet at home or money to pay for school trips, that enable children to fully participate at schools and to take advantage of all the opportunities education offers.

The biggest impact on education attainment is influences at home. Unless we tackle the family poverty children grow up in, the education equalities are unlikely to improve."

Speaking last year, the then SNP Education Secretary, Fiona Hyslop, lambasted the country's largest local authority for cutting teaching numbers when attainment levels in city schools were so low, adding:
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"What is truly shocking is that Glasgow City Council has increased class sizes and cut teacher numbers at exactly the same time as figures for attainment show they are the worst performing council in Scotland."

The Sunday Herald last month revealed that a prominent Glasgow city councillor, Stephen Curran, sends his children to be educated at a private school in the city. The newspaper also revealed that Mr Curran, who will challenge deputy first minister Nicola Sturgeon in Glasgow Southside in next year's Holyrood elections, was once considered for an education role in the council; however, this post was quickly withdrawn when it emerged his children do not attend the council's own schools.

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troutmask
post 3rd Oct 2010, 11:49am
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We can blame all sorts of the failure of schools, but it will all be a waste of time until we can do something about thick, stupid parents. When a school tries to introduce a strict, disciplined academic programme, stupid parents are up in arms because it upsets their cherished, dimwitted offspring. But..things can only get worse. Scotland is a backward nation, and going down fast.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 12:17pm
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We can blame all sorts of the failure of schools, but it will all be a waste of time until we can do something about thick, stupid parents. When a school tries to introduce a strict, disciplined academic programme, stupid parents are up in arms because it upsets their cherished, dimwitted offspring. But..things can only get worse. Scotland is a backward nation, and going down fast.

Totally agree. The majority in Glasgow just don't want to work, and why should they, when their parents don't, and why should they when Labour have allowed them to sit at home on their fat arses in unwashed pyjamas? Scotland has the feel of a tiny village in an island on the Outer Hebrides, unwelcoming of new ideas, like hard work. I'm sick listening to people complaining about foreigners taking the jobs when the complainants have never done a days work in their lives. I love the fact that Scotland has become so multi cultural, because I'm sorry to say, I'm not at all proud of my own. Scotland must wake up to the fact that heritage is only part of the story, and invest in istelf, put itself on the map. We have talent in this country that just goes away because there's nothing here for them. I'm not particularly anti Westminster, but the more I think about it, the more I feel being run by London makes us nothing more than a picturesque annex in which the Queen can skive for a month or 2 a year. We need to make much more of this country, and we can start by humiliating parents who drop their children off at school with cigarettes hanging out their mouths in manky PJs, so that they go home and think about their involvement in their child's education.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 12:20pm
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Many hundreds of thousands of pounds have been thrown at education in Glasgow's state schools. Yet results seem not much better. No wonder people scrimp and save to send kids to private schools in Glasgow. Every day I see kids who should be at school roaming around the local streets. If I was a Glasgow council tax payer I would want to know what has gone wrong with education in Glasgow. Secondary schools in some of the outlying schemes have very few pupils even presenting for highers. No amount of social engineering and cries of "deprivation" will hid the fact that Glasgow state schools have a very poor record in exam passes. Education is a way out of deprivation yet the kids and parents just dont seem to understand this simple fact.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 12:46pm
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The old adage was "Teach the mother and she'll teach the children."
That must have died out many moons ago.


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post 3rd Oct 2010, 03:24pm
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I do agree with much of what previous posters have said, however if parents do not know how to parent to their children then its obvious that the kids will fall throught the cracks. Its really a shame that some kids are not shown that there can be a better life out there. It makes me so mad when I see parents who are uninterested in their own children. Maybe it should be mandatory that parents/care givers take parenting classes.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 04:37pm
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Comparing Glasgow schools with schools in East Renfrewshire is not comparing like with like is it? How do they compare with Dundee another city?

Maybe more Glaswegians should just move to East Renfrewshire. What percentage of ER parents were educated in Glasgow? What's the percentage of Glaswegian children attending schools in East Renfrewshire.

And before anyone else contributes could you list the Highers and Standard grades you posses and if your parents were pyjama wearing, Glaswegian Labour voters?

Obviously certain contributors can't understand what an average is so where were they educated? And could you give us a link to the figures so that we may make our own conclusions.

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"Education is a way out of deprivation yet the kids and parents just dont seem to understand this simple fact."

Which is why parents in outlying schemes send their children to schools in or out of Glasgow who do present children for Highers.

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We need to make much more of this country, and we can start by humiliating parents who drop their children off at school with cigarettes hanging out their mouths in manky PJs, so that they go home and think about their involvement in their child's education.

How do we humiliate adults who wear pyjamas to school. Cutting the cords? What do you wear when your dropping your children off? Trackie bottoms?
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 05:34pm
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This is one reasom why I am glad I live in East Renfrewshire. Glasgow should stop avoiding thier responsibility by trying all sorts of tricks to send thier children to our schools. We don't want our schools dragged down.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 06:09pm
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I would like to pose a question and it is when did the decline in the education of Glasgows children begin?
I attended a senior secondary school in the 60s and discipline in school wasnt really an issue.Pupils did not run the school,it was run by the staff who ensured pupils were included in everything including extra curricular activities.If a pupil did step out of line,he/she was given the belt and parents informed and asked to attend a school interview.Every pupil wore a uniform,no exceptions.
A high number of pupils went on to higher education and others into trades.
As time went on these schools were abolished,belts were outlawed and many believe this was when teachers lost the high ground.
Im not suggesting this is the whole cause of the lower standard but believe it has contributed.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 06:12pm
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I agree also with much of what has been previously posted, and it saddens me to think that the children of Glasgow are being failed in their education. I remember when I was at Garrioch Secondary I was fortunate that my form teacher Miss MacDonald took a shine to me and must have seen something in me, that she gave me extra help to keep up as I had quite a bit of time away from school prior to O levels. My foster family were also supportive and encouraged me to do the best I could to acheive good grades.

As TeeHeeHee and Glasgow Lass have said it is very important for the parents to see that their children get on with learning but also there are a lot of poor teachers in schools as well. I would like to see the good teachers bring to light the teachers who do not take the job of educating the young seriously.

This is a problem that is going to take a lot of effort from all sides to change for the better, and I hope and wish the future children of Glasgow a better standard of education.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 07:27pm
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I think it's a shame that our childrens chances in life are taken away from them before their lives have even started for real. There is no doubting that this city has a problem with education, but why are we laying the blame on the parents and the children? What about the teachers whose job it is to actually teach the children to an accceptable standard - and 16% of children getting 3 Highers is NOT an accessible standard.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 08:27pm
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It is sad to learn these facts but be reassured that it is NOT just a local dilemna as it can be found elsewhere, even in Australia! I feel it is time to send parents back to school, not only for parenting skills but academic as well.
Your Council must consider smaller classes for the more needy students [in the short term] with more teachers which will serve a dual purpose - that of the role in which they are employed together with a decrease in unemployment; even to the point of specialised teachers of certain subjects, which is the way High schools operate here. Private/church schools are for the wealthy so when a dilemna such as you are currently experiencing arises, they should pitch in and help their council counterparts for are they not also Glaswegians? [This is on the assumption that they employ the same curriculum.] Or is this the reason my grandfather left Glasgow and migrated to Australia?[to add a pun]
Another fact that can be considered is the abolition of mechanical devices as computers and adding machines from classrooms; we were put on this Earth equipped with brains with which to use for mathematical problems, not to use them to operate these gadgets! Computers are useful in our later lives or I would not be presenting this from 1/2 way around the world!


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post 3rd Oct 2010, 08:32pm
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I am truly saddened by this story but not surprised. It may be 'construed' by some, that I have no right to comment on the topic being a citizen of another country in which early learning is the satellite feeding family priorities. However, I was born and educated in Glasgow and following wartime service I did return to post-secondary education, gaining my baccalaureate at Glasgow University. I pursued my vocation in Canada and gained wealth in higher education and never allowed myself to forget my roots, always proud to say that I was a product of a Scottish education. Now I must conclude that the system has failed the kids and has undernourished society. In my schooldays, as it appears now, Glasgow has always been a structure of impoverished ghettos feeding the Class system of the UK, which I believe is close to resembling the caste orientation of India, but in spite of it we flourished bright kids and contained an Education faculty which equalled and even bettered other countries. On my return visits to Scotland with my family, I am often embarrassed by the state of literacy we encounter when dealing with the average Glaswegion. The matter belongs to educators, not politicians to review and assess the present structure and once again impose high fines on parents to who ignore school curriculum an Council members who fail to address the issue of cost and export. Try to understand that every visitor to your City will judge you on the manner of yur speech, and it upsets me here at home when I watch TV comedians mimic Glasgow accents to gain a laugh, it is no laughing matter.
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post 3rd Oct 2010, 08:34pm
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Just noticed the entry from Jazzsaxman -
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This is one reason why I am glad I live in East Renfrewshire. Glasgow should stop avoiding thier responsibility by trying all sorts of tricks to send thier children to our schools. We don't want our schools dragged down.

to which I am thoroughly disgusted! If for anything,he should be welcoming the cause of improvement to his hometown, not rubbishing it!


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post 3rd Oct 2010, 08:55pm
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Wrote for an hour, editing checking spelling etc. even my syntax Ha Ha but lost the lot when I accidently left the page. I am beeling after my carefully composed treatise disappeared !!

How do you save as you write on the Guide? PLEASE TELL ME.
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