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> Should Glasgow Apologise For Slavery?, Increasing calls for the city to say sorry
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post 30th Jul 2016, 05:49pm
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this is an article from the Scotsman newspaper dated March 2007 . on the Glasgow Slave trade , I Googled for it .

People did find employment because of the Slave trade, and regarding their living conditions , those conditions existed long before that period . I am not to blame for this Slavery nor does any other on this board , but I do not stick my head in the sand and say it did not happen .

http://www.scotsman.com/news/glasgow-s-dark-secret-1-691912


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post 30th Jul 2016, 10:22pm
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QUOTE (angel @ 30th Jul 2016, 06:49pm) *
this is an article from the Scotsman newspaper dated March 2007 . on the Glasgow Slave trade , I Googled for it .

People did find employment because of the Slave trade, and regarding their living conditions , those conditions existed long before that period . I am not to blame for this Slavery nor does any other on this board , but I do not stick my head in the sand and say it did not happen .

http://www.scotsman.com/news/glasgow-s-dark-secret-1-691912



Hello Angel

I don't think anyone on this forum has ever claimed the Slave Trade didn't happen. We don't have to go on Google for evidence of it. Some of us who still live in the Glasgow area are reminded of it daily, when we pass through the centre of Glasgow. There are still some magnificent buildings standing there which belonged to the very wealthy from past eras.

For some morbid reason, you have the affrontry to include the the poor people of Glasgow who lived during that era, as if they benefited from it. Many Glaswegians, and other workers in Scotland, worked for long hours for a pittance. It is now 2016 and we have people working on zero hours contracts, and one major employer in the retail lindustry was accused last week of its workers being subjected to Victorian times conditions.

On behalf of the citizens of Glagow, thank you for informing us that the Slave Trade existed. And you know what, see that article in the Scotsman, it was written 9 YEARS AGO. Took you a long time to find out about the Slave Trade, didn't it? Lots of us could have told you about the Slave Trade if you had only asked us.

We could have told you all about Blantyre, and David Livingstone. There is a memorial Park in Blantyre, Scotland, which thousands of people visit every year. I mention Blantyre, Scotland, because there is a town named Blantyre in honour of him in the African continent.

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post 31st Jul 2016, 12:23am
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On behalf of the citizens of Glagow, thank you for informing us that the Slave Trade existed. And you know what, see that article in the Scotsman, it was written 9 YEARS AGO. Took you a long time to find out about the Slave Trade, didn't it? Lots of us could have told you about the Slave Trade if you had only asked us.
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I know when the article was written , I already mentioned the date yes.gif .

but 9yrs on , it still would not make the slightest difference in the story of Glasgow and the slave trade , I am well aware of that history as I know others are . but I did post the article to inform YOU in particular .............. No other reason .!


PS As a matter of fact , again for your information , I have posted on this topic quite a few times .


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post 31st Jul 2016, 01:12am
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thumbup.gif good furr yoo hen ,don't be bullied laugh.gif

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post 31st Jul 2016, 11:51am
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QUOTE (wombat @ 31st Jul 2016, 02:12am) *
:thumbup: good furr yoo hen ,don't be bullied :lol:


Hello Angel and Wombat

Just had a wee thought. How about you two starting a campaign to get your respective Governments to give back the land that you live in, to the indigenous people who inhabited it. Probably a waste of time, because you decimated them. Not you two personally of course, but neither did the poor people of Glasgow benefit from the slave trade.

By the way, the title of this topic is, SHOULD GLASGOW APOLOGISE FOR SLAVERY, not "Why are Glaswegians burying their heads in the sand"

Wombat, forums are forums, which mean discussion. If someone writes in the strident tones that Angel does, and doesn't expect a reply which doesn't agree with hers, then she has been away from Glasgow too long, and obviously you have been too. You continuous use of inane pictures sums you up. A coward.

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QUOTE (DannyH @ 31st Jul 2016, 10:51am) *
Hello Angel and Wombat

Just had a wee thought. How about you two starting a campaign to get your respective Governments to give back the land that you live in, to the indigenous people who inhabited it. Probably a waste of time, because you decimated them. Not you two personally of course, but neither did the poor people of Glasgow benefit from the slave trade.

By the way, the title of this topic is, SHOULD GLASGOW APOLOGISE FOR SLAVERY, not "Why are Glaswegians burying their heads in the sand"

Wombat, forums are forums, which mean discussion. If someone writes in the strident tones that Angel does, and doesn't expect a reply which doesn't agree with hers, then she has been away from Glasgow too long, and obviously you have been too. You continuous use of inane pictures sums you up. A coward.

Danny Harris


More nonsense coming from you .

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post 31st Jul 2016, 09:31pm
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I just watched "Roots" the new series,(not as good as the original in my opinion),far too violent,how the slaves were treated in the growing of tobacco,and I`m so sad to say,all through it, all I could picture was the magnificent buildings in Glasgow,which I only recently heard that were built on the proceeds of the tobacco trade.
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post 31st Jul 2016, 10:11pm
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QUOTE (taurus @ 31st Jul 2016, 10:31pm) *
I just watched "Roots" the new series,(not as good as the original in my opinion),far too violent,how the slaves were treated in the growing of tobacco,and I`m so sad to say,all through it, all I could picture was the magnificent buildings in Glasgow,which I only recently heard that were built on the proceeds of the tobacco trade.


Hello Taurus

Could you picture any poor people living in these magnificent buildings? They actually lived within walking distance from the magnificent buildings you are referring to. The buildings they lived were actually still around in the1960's. There are plenty of photos of them which can still be found. The one I lived in won't appear. It collapsed in 1959 when my parents were still living in it!

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Surely more important to wipe out Modern Day slavery which is still rife in parts of Africa and
even here in the UK.
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post 1st Aug 2016, 09:49pm
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QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 1st Aug 2016, 11:38pm) *
Surely more important to wipe out Modern Day slavery which is still rife in parts of Africa and
even here in the UK.


Quite right DJ. No, I am not being sarcastic!


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QUOTE (angel @ 31st Jul 2016, 12:12pm) *
More nonsense coming from you .

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QUOTE (DannyH @ 1st Aug 2016, 08:11am) *
Hello Taurus

Could you picture any poor people living in these magnificent buildings? They actually lived within walking distance from the magnificent buildings you are referring to. The buildings they lived were actually still around in the1960's. There are plenty of photos of them which can still be found. The one I lived in won't appear. It collapsed in 1959 when my parents were still living in it!

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I understand perfectly what you are saying Danny,regarding the haves and have nots. I just cringe a bit now to think what suffering the slaves endured for rich folk to get richer. And by the way,the tenement building I grew up in and felt safe in,and didn`t realise at the time that we were deprived,it got demolished early 60`s because the people on the 3rd story pulled off the doors to light a fire in the middle of their floor and set fire to the whole building,all this ,while my poor mother slept.So I know all about the great divide between the rich and the poor.But I can`t help thinking,we were still better off than the poor slaves in Virginia.
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All those 12 year olds sent down mines, up chimneys and forced into prostitution due to poverty never had it so good in the 18th century wacko.gif


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QUOTE (taurus @ 31st Jul 2016, 09:31pm) *
I just watched "Roots" the new series,(not as good as the original in my opinion),far too violent,how the slaves were treated in the growing of tobacco,and I`m so sad to say,all through it, all I could picture was the magnificent buildings in Glasgow,which I only recently heard that were built on the proceeds of the tobacco trade.


the white house was built using slave labour, some of the dumps I seen in brigton

a slaves quarters wid be cleaner. laugh.gif

i doubt the poor benefited, after all tobacco was another commodity from the rich to take their money and their health rolleyes.gif


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post 2nd Aug 2016, 09:48pm
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Scotland abolished slavery in 1778, England 1803 and all territories 1n 1833. Britain was the first to abolish the Trans Atlantic slave trade, stopping all "Blackbirders" and impounding their human cargoes. France was 1794. There were few if none who abolished slavery prior to Scotland doing so. To maintain that Scotland made profit from the trade ( however indirectly as tobacco and sugar was picked by slaves) is in this day and age drawing a long bow. The emotive ignorance and reaction on the part of the "bleeding hearts" who take great pride in holding the conscience of a nation out to dry, serves no purpose than to afford some measure of righteous indignation and moral superiority to those who can fathom no lives outside of their own mediocre inaccurate interpretation of history.

The United States may have by the 13th amendment abolished slavery but in the southern states they, the African Americans still had no vote or voice until the late 1960s. In our own (some of us anyway) lifetime we saw Nazi Germany produce its' economic miracles with a vast pool of slaves, starved and murdered in their millions.

Lets hear some breast beating and chest thumping about them. Remembering those responsible went on to lead happy and productive lives, no guilt on their part, right into the 1980s and leave Scotland especially Glasgow out of this farce of historical retrospect.

I was not there, my great, great granny was not there and my family was sleeping under that big bridge in Glasgow having been cleared from the land they occupied for centuries. Lets hear it for them. 1778!!!
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