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Teresa Scarber Posted 23rd Nov 2010, 08:37pm
  Thank you for letting it come to America. I was able to go and view it, and would not have gotten to if you hadn't. Many thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
weebren3 Posted 17th Sep 2010, 04:42pm
  Pope is not going to stop in Glasgow,he only did A short visit to Londen. Anyway the money will help the city,so many people losing jobs I think is more A priority. Dont you think?
bigdrew Posted 13th Sep 2010, 07:53am
  It maybe a conspirancy or not, who cares....?
I think if the Pope had been in a position to have viewed the Dali masterpiece, he may have had to chose not to.....
You see, there was quite a hulabaloo with the catholic church at the time and Dali's work had at first been condemned by the Pope at that time for Dali using his wife as a religious icon.
He was eventually given a personal blessing by the Pope and from that time on was acknowledged by the catholic church as 'worthy'.
Because Glasgow not only owns the Dali painting, but also it's copyright (a first at that time), to acknowledge this image by a Pope could reverb upon Rome and the RC Church, as they hold 'copyrights' to almost everything else.
We certainly do not want Rome claiming our Dali painting, as an image of veneration, nor does Rome want the painting to become a source of 'pilgrimage', because the Pope may or may not have blessed it when visited.
So, in my mind, as a highly charged and politically-motivated move, I feel Glasgow may have been very wise to have 'arranged' the loan of the Dali (accidentally on purpose), to be away whilst the Pope visited Glasgow.....!
I may be wrong but, knowing the history of Dali painting and how Glasgow bought it before any other International Galleries got wind of its potential sale, always leads me to a possible jealosy from those institutions who boast vast collections of religious artworks, and to whom the loss of our Dali masterpiece, will always be a sore point....!
TeeHeeHee Posted 18th Jul 2010, 01:29pm
  In an earlier post I referred to the $25K deal over 6 months as the city of Glasgow selling one's inheritance for a bowl of potage (I could have earned that on a decent aircraft repair contract in 6 weeks).
I would have had nothing against a lend for lend deal which benefits every one but the timing of this prostitution of Dali's great work will always be suspect.
Confirmation of actual dates of the Pope's visit to Glasgow is a mere detail; it was known that he was invited to come this year and whether his itinerary could have been altered to include a quick visit, and a wee photo op, is also a mere detail ... but what a great coup that would have been for the City.
GG Posted 18th Jul 2010, 11:40am
 
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 18th Jul 2010, 08:13am) *
So there we have it - a definite, probable, possible conspiracy to prevent the Pope and his followers from seeing this famous and beautiful painting . I will also be in Scotland in September but I am one of the lucky ones and have seen it a few times, except when I took friends to see it and it had been moved elsewhere. I was extremely miffed on that occasion and so I can sympathise with your outrage. Do you think word of this chicanery has teached the pope's ears and could it develop into a diplomatic incident? sad.gif

Thanks Bilbo. I don't really think that anyone is seriously talking about a conspiracy here; rather, the discussion is about what is best for the city of Glasgow.

Glasgow Life is hiring out the city's most important artistic work for six months for 25,000. The value to Glasgow of having the prestigious religious work in the city during the Pope's visit (and the rest of the six months) would have been many times that figure, in terms of short-term merchandising and long-term 'goodwill'. This matters because Glasgow Life management is currently in the midst of an industrial dispute with its workforce over pay cuts and possible job losses due to financial cutbacks.

GG.
GG Posted 18th Jul 2010, 11:09am
 
QUOTE (Elma @ 17th Jul 2010, 05:21pm) *
To get back to the original intent of this thread, I see absolutely no relevance between the Dali painting and the visit of the Pope. This painting belongs to all the people of Glasgow and hangs in a public place in the Art Gallery where it is enjoyed by everyone who visits. The Pope, the elected leader of the Roman Catholic faith will be visiting Glasgow in September on, I am sure, a very tight schedule. Do you think he would be visiting the Art Gallery? I think not, and most of the people who are excited about his visit are Glaswegians anyway and have probably seen the painting already or are not interested in it.

I am sure the people of Atlanta who see this fantastic painting will appreciate it and knowing from where it came, may be interested in a visit to Glasgow and its environs in the future.

Thanks Elma. Agreed, it's a good idea to get back on track after considering in some detail the dates raised by Guest.

The original point of the topic was to discuss the comments made by an internationally-renowned expert in museum management regarding the loan of the Dali painting to Atlanta. The comments, by art expert Julian Spalding, were notable because they were highly critical and uncompromising of the decision by Glasgow Life/Glasgow City Council to hire out the painting prior to the Pope's visit. The comments included:

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"I think it is absolutely mad to have it go when the Pope is coming to visit. It's an absolutely stupid decision."

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... if you lend the great works, you get back in return something that the Glaswegians want to see. You get great works in return, that is how it works.

I don't think the Pope himself would have considered visiting the Kelvingrove; however, if he did, it would have been a fantastic opportunity to promote the city's main cultural attraction at a time when visitor numbers to the art gallery and museum are in rapid decline.

Seriously though, having one of the iconic images of the Catholic religion in situ in Glasgow at the time of the Pope's visit would have provided us with a fantastic opportunity to market the city to the hundreds of thousands of Catholics hoping to see the Pope during his UK tour. If, as now looks likely, the painiting is not going to be in the Kelvingrove in September, then we have to consider whether Mr Spading's opinion that Glasgow should have got a great artistic work in return are not somewhat meritorious. At the very least, l think his comments are worthy of discussion, and I appreciate everyone joining in that discussion.

GG.
bilbo.s Posted 18th Jul 2010, 07:32am
  Teached = reached biggrin.gif
bilbo.s Posted 18th Jul 2010, 06:56am
  So there we have it - a definite, probable, possible conspiracy to prevent the Pope and his followers from seeing this famous and beautiful painting . I will also be in Scotland in September but I am one of the lucky ones and have seen it a few times , except when I took friends to see it and it had been moved elsewhere. I was extremely miffed on that occasion and so I can sympathise with your outrage. Do you think word of this chicanery has teached the pope's ears and could it develop into a diplomatic incident? sad.gif
GG Posted 17th Jul 2010, 08:06pm
 
QUOTE (Elma @ 17th Jul 2010, 05:21pm) *
To get back to the original intent of this thread, I see absolutely no relevance between the Dali painting and the visit of the Pope. ...

Thanks Elma, some excellent points which I'd like to respond to tomorrow when I have more time.

GG.
GG Posted 17th Jul 2010, 08:03pm
 
QUOTE (Java @ 17th Jul 2010, 03:28pm) *
Minutes of Glasgow City Council Meeting - Executive Committee - show request and agreement discussed on 5th March 2010 huh.gif

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/96D...rint7200910.pdf

Excellent Java, thanks. The minutes clearly establish (although they do not give the work its proper title) that approval was given by the council's executive committee one month after the Pope officially confirmed that he would visit Scotland.

GG.
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