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> Thatcher Tried To Demolish Hampden, Newly-released files reveal a cunning plan
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post 15th Dec 2009, 01:22pm
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QUOTE (dugald @ 15th Dec 2009, 01:26pm) *
Yes Thh, I suppose I really was, but i was able to convince myself that I had rightousness on my side ... I told them if they did they would find themselves in deeper trouble than we were.

And, again, you were right biggrin.gif ; in your conclusion too. tongue.gif


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post 15th Dec 2009, 01:57pm
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I agree eith what you say about Hampden Park Bigdrew. I have travelled a lot in Scotland and I was always interested in taking a look at the youth training facilities available. i only ever saw one. This one was in Largs and i thought it was a very good one. I was also told there was one in Milngavie, but despite having tried to find it, i never did. There's probably more now, I don't know, but i often thought it was strange that there didn't appear to be very many around Glasgow. Crimey even Renfrew had better facilities than i found in Glasgow
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post 15th Dec 2009, 02:43pm
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If the demolition of Hampden and the distribution of important games throughout Scotland was such a good idea why did the English rebuild Wembley?
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post 15th Dec 2009, 07:56pm
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Dugald, it made no difference whose name the house was in, everyone 18yrs or 21yrs old ( can't remember which) was liable to pay Poll Tax whether working or claiming Benefits.

My husband was Long Term Sick and he had to pay the same as everyone else.


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post 16th Dec 2009, 08:42am
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Is Archie McPherson still around ??

I used to work with him at BBC Scotland in in the late 60s and if I had a pound for every time we had to do a retake because the wind blew his comb over vertical ..... biggrin.gif
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post 16th Dec 2009, 09:19am
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QUOTE (Macbeast @ 16th Dec 2009, 08:40am) *
Is Archie McPherson still around ??

I used to work with him at BBC Scotland in in the late 60s and if I had a pound for every time we had to do a retake because the wind blew his comb over vertical ..... biggrin.gif

That needs a different kind of thatcher laugh.gif


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post 16th Dec 2009, 12:25pm
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QUOTE (Heather @ 15th Dec 2009, 08:54pm) *
Dugald, it made no difference whose name the house was in, everyone 18yrs or 21yrs old ( can't remember which) was liable to pay Poll Tax whether working or claiming Benefits.

My husband was Long Term Sick and he had to pay the same as everyone else.

Yes, I did find that out Heather, but i had thought they wouldn't have known how many were living in the house. Perhaps if we'd put the house in one name to begin with it would have worked.
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post 16th Dec 2009, 06:07pm
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Labour has demolished more of Glasgow than Thatcher ever did.... and not just buildings!!!!
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post 16th Dec 2009, 08:44pm
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I'll tell you worse than that Dugald.

My brother was 43 yrs old when he was diagnosed with Motor Neurone. He died when he was 56 yrs old .
A few weeks after his funeral, his wife got a notice in from the Council for my brothers over due Poll Tax dated right up to the day he died. It was only for a few weeks money even though during that time, he was in a Hospice.
We were all totally disgusted, but she paid it because she said, " he was never in debt when alive, so he won't be now he's dead ".



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post 16th Dec 2009, 09:34pm
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The 'Can't Pay Won't Pay' campaign against the poll tax cost many people dearly because some of those who did not pay were on low incomes and because they saw themselves as Can't Pays they did not claim the rebates due to them. The subsequent abandonment of this policy did not wipe out their debt and they were chased up for many years for the full amount because rebates are not applied retrospectively. So instead of owing hundreds some of the poorest had eventually to pay back thousands.
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post 17th Dec 2009, 12:20am
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Your right Marydee.

Years after it ended and I was working on Direct Payments, I was still setting up Poll Tax to be deducted at source from people on Income Support who were in arrears with their Poll Tax. wub.gif


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post 17th Dec 2009, 01:57am
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Was it ... jobs worth mate tongue.gif rolleyes.gif


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post 17th Dec 2009, 07:56pm
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No it was the Social Security. rolleyes.gif


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post 18th Dec 2009, 07:55am
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Ultimately, the "Cant pay, won't pay" campaign was a success in that it brought the demise of the tax itself, and Thatcher too. This was a horrendous tax if you happened to live with a family of six adults living hand to mouth in a 3 apartment where everybody had to stump up as opposed to well heeled folk who would gain from it. Now, I'm not saying that everyone who gained from this policy was a "toff!, far from it, but there were many people who lost out and who simply could not afford to pay this tax.
What surprised me was that the Tories had always promoted themselves as the party of low taxation and they introduced this at a time when unemployment was so high, due in part to their economic mismanagement of the UK's industrial base. Mining had gone, steelworks had gone, shipbuilding too and so had all the businesses that had relied on them. Not to mention social housing.
Maggie had messed up big time and money had to be raised for the exchequer somehow, ergo, the Poll Tax. Everything else had been sold off. We no longer owned the telecoms industry, Gas or electricity and water was privatised too. It was a sell your neighbour down the river kinda time. as long as "you" the individual was alright, then to hell with the rest.
That's why it comes as no surprise that the Conservative cabinet tried to offload Hampen Park.These people had no affinity with Glasgow, or for Scotland, whose population had consistently voted against them for many years.
Having said that, I have been to Hampen and it is pretty rubbish nowadays. The fans are too far away from the action. If you don't have a pair of binoculars then you won't know who has the ball.
It's my opinion that a new ground should have been built elsewhere.
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post 18th Dec 2009, 08:34am
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Tam, good post. I have only been in the function suites at Hampden since it was renovated for a conference. Being realistic, it probably fits the profile of the kind of stadium we deserve. Interesting that the potential rise of fortunes for the Welsh has co-incided with them getting the prestidious millenium stadium. I stopped going to see Sotland during the 80s when it became clear that some players were dictating which games they would play in.

I have made my views known on the GG board before about the Poll Tax, I was better off but I was totally against it. I still believe that a local income tax is the fairest way to finance local services. In any system there will be winners and losers, that's the way it is. Fairness should be the main criteria.


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