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Posted by: Kemedian 31st Aug 2018, 10:24am

An avoidable power struggle has developed at the heart of Scottish Government. An ex-member of the SNP is not only contesting allegations of indecency, he is also actually contesting the whole reporting process.

In this high stakes episode of who dares wins, the party is split in support for these two leaders, current and former. The current is stressing her support for the two alleged victims of sexual harassment. The former is making a play for the support of the independence movement, in a series of social media statements that undermine and weaken his successor in the role of SNP leader.

The question of who will win can only be considered once it has been established just what this is really all about??

Some key excerpts from Alex Salmond's social media campaign:

QUOTE
It is therefore with great reluctance that I have today (Thursday 23rd August) launched a Judicial Review in the Court of Session which will decide the issue of the lawfullness of the procedure which has been used against me. If I lose then I will have to answer to the complaints both comprehensively and publically. Until then i am bound to say nothing which would impinge on the court proceedings.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexSalmond/status/1032736648977502208/photo/2

QUOTE
I have been a member of the Scottish National Party for 45 years... I hope I have done the Party and the broader independence movement some service... But today I have written to the National Secretary of the Party resigning my membership... I would urge no one else to relinquish their SNP membership... I will continue to serve the independence movement in whatever role and whatever capacity I can... It is a rare thing to be devoted to a cause more important than any individual, it is a precious thing to cherish it and my intention now - as it always has been - is to protect and sustain that cause.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexSalmond/status/1034889814754119681/photo/4

Posted by: JAGZ1876 31st Aug 2018, 12:21pm

Wishful thinking Kem, don't believe the headlines, there is no split in the SNP.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 31st Aug 2018, 12:23pm

With all the turmoil in the Blue and Red Unionist parties over the last two years and not a word from you. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Sep 2018, 09:53am

Why are you so outraged at people freely giving to a crowdfund to challenge an obviously wrong piece of legislation Kem?

You would feel very different if it was you or a family member that was being accused of something and you weren't given any information about what you were being accused of or who was making the accusations.

Be honest Kem, you never bothered about the crowdfunding for legal expenses for the liar Carmichael or Green MSP Andy Wightman?

Just admit you hate Alex Salmond and even when he is cleared of any wrongdoing you'll still believe he's guilty as you have a personal agenda. yes.gif


Posted by: Kemedian 1st Sep 2018, 11:28am

There's no outrage on my part. But there is shock, which I think we all feel. The shock is compounded by Salmond's reaction, by taking his beloved Party to court and campaigning publically against it.

Let's wait for the outcome of the court proceedings, the police investigation and latterly the Party's due process.

QUOTE (SNP leader at Holyrood, Nicola Sturgeon)
The Scottish Government refutes his criticisms of its process and will defend its position vigorously.


QUOTE (SNP leader at Westminster, Ian Blackford)
There is strong support for the first minister and for the government, from parliamentarians and from party members... I’m sure the processes which have been put in place are absolutely fit for purpose.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Sep 2018, 12:12pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 1st Sep 2018, 12:28pm) *
There's no outrage on my part. But there is shock, which I think we all feel. The shock is compounded by Salmond's reaction, by taking his beloved Party to court and campaigning publically against it.

Let's wait for the outcome of the court proceedings, the police investigation and latterly the Party's due process.


I don't think you speak for anyone but yourself and he isn't taking "his beloved party to court".

Take your own advice and wait and see.

I doubt you will though, you've been wetting yourself with excitement since you scuttled out from the woodwork. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Sep 2018, 12:29pm

Where did you hear that police proceedings had started? unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 1st Sep 2018, 01:12pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 1st Sep 2018, 01:12pm) *
he isn't taking "his beloved party to court".

eyebrow.gif

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 1st Sep 2018, 01:29pm) *
Where did you hear that police proceedings had started? unsure.gif

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/alex-salmond-reported-cops-over-13129661

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Sep 2018, 03:09pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 1st Sep 2018, 02:12pm) *
eyebrow.gif


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/alex-salmond-reported-cops-over-13129661



Then let them do their jobs and leave the pitchforks and torches in your cupboard for the time being.

Posted by: Dykejumper 1st Sep 2018, 07:15pm

From The Gruniard

'Mr Salmond has made this affair far more explosive than it would otherwise have been. The accusations are, of course, very difficult for his party anyway. But he has decided to politicise the affair by turning himself into the victim. He has demanded support which Ms Sturgeon cannot possibly give while retaining credibility. He has fanned the flames of paranoia and conspiracy theorising that lurk in parts of his party. He has therefore put himself above his party and set the SNP on a course that could split it into pro- and anti-Salmond factions. His actions threaten to do lasting damage to the SNP and to the cause to which he has devoted his life.'

Never thought I could feel sorry for NS but the vainglorious former first monster has given her a
massive headache.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Sep 2018, 08:42pm

Wow DJ, a Britnat paper hoping for the SNP to split, dream on, save your sympathy for Theresa May, her Separatist party members Johnson, Gove, Rees Mogg, Davis etc really are giving her the Mother and Father massive headache of all time, why don't you concentrate on that mess that you've helped create that effects all our lives than waste your time on a manufactured mud throwing campaign designed to distract the hard of thinking?

Posted by: Dykejumper 1st Sep 2018, 11:08pm

The hard of thinking have just donated £100k to a rather well off former SNP member.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Sep 2018, 10:01am

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 2nd Sep 2018, 12:08am) *
The hard of thinking have just donated £100k to a rather well off former SNP member.



You've ran out of straws to clutch DJ, how's Brexit coming along? yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 2nd Sep 2018, 01:24pm

There truly is an element of blind loyalty and of a bunker mentality exuding from this donorship. The whole world as they see it seems to be conspiring against their 'embattled' leader, from Westminster to Holyrood to the media to unionists and unfortunately to the genuine alleged victims.

I partly agree with you Jagz. This is indeed a lot of fuss, although you seem strangely certain that it's about nothing. In which case it will be the SNP, not Salmond, with many questions to answer.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Sep 2018, 03:16pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 2nd Sep 2018, 02:24pm) *
There truly is an element of blind loyalty and of a bunker mentality exuding from this donorship. The whole world as they see it seems to be conspiring against their 'embattled' leader, from Westminster to Holyrood to the media to unionists and unfortunately to the genuine alleged victims.

I partly agree with you Jagz. This is indeed a lot of fuss, although you seem strangely certain that it's about nothing. In which case it will be the SNP, not Salmond, with many questions to answer.



Sorry to burst your bubble Kem, but there ain't gonna be a fight between Salmond and the SNP, i'd have thought you'd be more worried about your beloved union imploding? wink.gif

The civil servants work with Holyrood but are UK civil servants under the control of Westminster.

What happened to your "Let's wait for the outcome of the court proceedings, the police investigation and latterly the Party's due process" comment?

Posted by: Kemedian 2nd Sep 2018, 04:49pm

I've always admired your optimism Jagz. You may pour as much cold water on this story as you like and review it through your yellow-tinted glasses till your keyboard breaks. The trouble is, your Party isn't fending off unwanted attention from the usual sources we hear about.

The tense power struggle between the progressive and moderate camps of the SNP has been rudely exposed for all to see since Salmond took exception so very publically to the preliminary outcomes of the Permanent Secretary's investigation. The Political decline of the man was effectively complete, he had dropped out of Westminster and last I heard he is working for Russian television. But these recent allegations of misconduct while in office threaten to sully his highly successful career and internationaly renowned reputation. So, given that he has responded with all guns blazing and has chosen to exert the significant pressure of his own devotees from within the independence movement upon his reluctant yet duty bound discipliners heading the Party, you shouldn't really be overawed by the consequent general level of amazement expressed among his friends and foes alike.

We live in interesting times!

Posted by: ashfield 2nd Sep 2018, 05:18pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 2nd Sep 2018, 02:24pm) *
There truly is an element of blind loyalty and of a bunker mentality exuding from this donorship. The whole world as they see it seems to be conspiring against their 'embattled' leader, from Westminster to Holyrood to the media to unionists and unfortunately to the genuine alleged victims.

I partly agree with you Jagz. This is indeed a lot of fuss, although you seem strangely certain that it's about nothing. In which case it will be the SNP, not Salmond, with many questions to answer.


Sorry? Who is the “embattled” leader and what is a “ genuine alleged victim”? huh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Sep 2018, 06:17pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 2nd Sep 2018, 05:49pm) *
The tense power struggle between the progressive and moderate camps of the SNP has been rudely exposed for all to see

We live in interesting times!



I know i'd be better talking to a brick wall but here goes nothing.

Kem, there is no power struggles, splits, Civil war or any other nonsensical terms about the SNP (although the same can't be said of the London based parties of all hues) so will you please take your own advice and wait and see.

It really is nice to have you back on GG again but surely the state of the Union and your British parties should be taking up your time?

With just over two hundred days till Brexit there is lot's to discuss, as you say, "We live in interesting times".


Now if you'll excuse me i have to go up to the loft to get my Fife and Drum as my papers arrived earlier informing me that my Garnock Valley regiment are shipping out at dawn to confront General Sturgeons troops who are encamped at the River Cart.

Does anyone have a spare musket as i can't find mine anywhere? laugh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 2nd Sep 2018, 06:46pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 2nd Sep 2018, 07:18pm) *
Sorry? Who is the “embattled” leader and what is a “ genuine alleged victim”? huh.gif



Typo. He meant "alleged genuine victims".

Posted by: Kemedian 2nd Sep 2018, 08:31pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 2nd Sep 2018, 06:18pm) *
Sorry? Who is the “embattled” leader and what is a “ genuine alleged victim”? huh.gif

The first reference, well that's Salmond of course, whose donors still fancy that their deposed leader has a Political career ahead of him (should the vacancy arise).

The second, are the two most important people of all, who must feel belittled and greatly anguished by the backlash from the afforementioned accused (note his "patently ridiculous" comment) and his fanatics, some of whom have picked up his baton and sustained the criticism of the two alleged victims. As Sturgeon says, the complaints must be robustly handled regardless of the standing or clout of the person implicated.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Sep 2018, 09:13pm

rolleyes.gif So you lied when you said "Let's wait for the outcome of the court proceedings, the police investigation and latterly the Party's due process"?

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 12:13am

Just passing the time, Jagz. smile.gif

One big question I have, which has nothing to do with the case specifically but concerns the immediate fallout for the SNP, which is what we're really discussing, is this:

When we have those loyal to Sturgeon coming out to support the investigative process saying that the Party is united, and when we have those loyal to Salmond saying the same thing, what are those with no allegiance (like myself) supposed to think and who do we believe?

My take on this glaring irregularity in these responses is that the leadership is saying one thing (at least publically when questioned) and the activists are saying another. This scandal has hit the central nervous system of the Party and there is no common narrative to be found. This is unchartered territory for everyone, so why should anyone expect the normally careful and orchestrated Party line in this instance? Would it have been at all like Salmond to keep his mouth shut and dignity intact?

Still the Party tries to cover up the mess, by all saying they're "united". But there can be more than one, there's Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Dundee, Sheffield...

From the outside it's an experience somewhat analagous to gazing at an imploding star, you know there's a lot more going on that isn't observable yet still you can't quite process the enormity unfolding behind the lens.

Back on Planet Earth however, there are two women who now need to be shielded from the glare that Salmond's retalliations have attracted. They should be reassured and supported through what would otherwise have been a difficult enough time for them.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 09:13am

Oh dear, DJ has grasped all the straws and left you with nothing clutch on to Kem.

Why do you not want to talk about the imploding Tory party as the Brexit mess rumbles along, and what about all the forty plus women that need to be shielded from all the Tory and British MP's?

Surely they should be reassured and supported through what would otherwise have been a difficult enough time for them?

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 09:18am

Forget Angry Salmond's pink beret, this eclipses anything he has ever uttered, because this devastating revelation is aimed straight at him and that divisive crowdfund. There can be no denying the feud that has arisen between them now. For Nicola to come out with such a statement speaks volumes of her dislike for the course of action her old mentor has taken since the Party went public with the investigation. If Salmond's veiled threat of leading a rebellion sounds remarkable, if he succeeds in court what will Nicola do and where will she go!



QUOTE (She really said this)
I would not wish to be a citizen, let alone First Minister, in a country which placed any barriers in the way of women speaking out.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 09:28am

Who's stopping women speaking out?

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 09:28am

Just in case you don't believe me Jagz...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45370101

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 09:52am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Sep 2018, 10:28am) *
Just in case you don't believe me Jagz...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45370101


Read it twice and can't see anything about women being stopped from speaking out, could you highlight it for me?

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 10:11am



Should've gone to specsavers.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 10:16am

So no one is actually stopping women from speaking out then? unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 12:39pm

It's Nicola you need to tell that to.

She said it, not me.

Why she did, is a matter for conjecture. To shut down your senses and ignore the current context of her remark, could however lead someone like your good self to fail to see the clear meaning behind her words.

You are backing Salmond, and I don't expect you to understand Nicola's point of view.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 12:53pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Sep 2018, 01:39pm) *
It's Nicola you need to tell that to.

She said it, not me.

Why she did, is a matter for conjecture. To shut down your senses and ignore the current context of her remark, could however lead someone like your good self to fail to see the clear meaning behind her words.

You are backing Salmond, and I don't expect you to understand Nicola's point of view.



What are you talking about?

The question i asked is who is trying to stop women from speaking out?

Posted by: bilbo.s 3rd Sep 2018, 01:04pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 3rd Sep 2018, 02:53pm) *
What are you talking about?

The question i asked is who is trying to stop women from speaking out?


Jagz, we both learned long ago that Kerm may write in English, but his comprehension and interpretation of the written word are suspect, to say the least. Perhaps one should give him the benefit of the doubt and say he is deliberately twisting the words. There's a job awaiting him at Pacific Quay, as he seems to be at a loose end methinks.

Keep it up, though. This is better than Wimbledon with Ian Murray vs someone with a cricket bat.

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 01:09pm

Oh hi Bilbo.

You'd have to ask Nicola why she has made this remark, Jagz.

But since you're asking for my own thought, I'd say that Salmond is a man of his time and that his time - when women knew their limitations in a world dominated by men - is over.

Does it really come as a surprise to you, being the modern woman Nicola is, and living in the social climate where women's rights are so high on the agenda, that she is speaking out against Salmond's approach? Their powerful political partnership is in ruins, which spells deep trouble for the SNP.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 01:44pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Sep 2018, 02:09pm) *
Oh hi Bilbo.

You'd have to ask Nicola why she has made this remark, Jagz.

But since you're asking for my own thought, I'd say that Salmond is a man of his time and that his time - when women knew their limitations in a world dominated by men - is over.

Does it really come as a surprise to you, being the modern woman Nicola is, and living in the social climate where women's rights are so high on the agenda, that she is speaking out against Salmond's approach? Their powerful political partnership is in ruins, which spells deep trouble for the SNP.



Complete and utter nonsense Kem, once again, the only political parties in deep trouble are your two main unionist parties.

The SNP are in so much trouble they've just overtake the Tories to become the UK's second largest political party. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 01:46pm

You haven't said a single word in support of your Party leader's position on the matter.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 01:47pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Sep 2018, 02:46pm) *
You haven't said a word in defence of your Party's leader.


What do i have to defend Nicola Sturgeon for? unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 01:53pm

There are two sides in court, you know, and you have reserved all your backing for Salmond.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 02:46pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Sep 2018, 02:53pm) *
There are two sides in court, you know, and you have reserved all your backing for Salmond.


I have not reserved backing for anyone.

You are under the delusion that this is a battle between Salmond and Sturgeon.

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 03:02pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 3rd Sep 2018, 03:46pm) *
I have not reserved backing for anyone.

Yes you have, although you patently don't speak for all. laugh.gif
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 31st Aug 2018, 06:08pm) *
There is no split or taking sides in the party we're all behind Alex Salmond on this.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 03:49pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Sep 2018, 04:02pm) *
Yes you have, although you patently don't speak for all. laugh.gif



As is Nicola.

Be honest Kem, this is all about your hatred for Alex Salmond and the SNP, you couldn't give a toss for the rights of women. yes.gif


If you did you'd be condemning the treatment of them at Westminster.

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Sep 2018, 04:28pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 3rd Sep 2018, 04:49pm) *
As is Nicola.

Of course she's not. How could she either support his court challenge or take sides in the internal investigation. Salmond doesn't have the support of either of the Party's leaders, not at Holyrood or at Westminster (see the quotes in http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=33334&view=findpost&p=3738886).

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 3rd Sep 2018, 04:49pm) *
Be honest Kem, this is all about your hatred for Alex Salmond and the SNP, you couldn't give a toss for the rights of women. yes.gif

If you did you'd be condemning the treatment of them at Westminster.

You seem overly keen to bring up other issues. eyebrow.gif

And let's not personalise this.

Posted by: wombat 3rd Sep 2018, 08:35pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 3rd Sep 2018, 02:46pm) *
I have not reserved backing for anyone.

You are under the delusion that this is a battle between Salmond and Sturgeon.


rolleyes.gif crumbed or battered? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Sep 2018, 09:35pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Sep 2018, 05:28pm) *
Of course she's not. How could she either support his court challenge or take sides in the internal investigation. Salmond doesn't have the support of either of the Party's leaders, not at Holyrood or at Westminster (see the quotes in http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=33334&view=findpost&p=3738886).


You seem overly keen to bring up other issues. eyebrow.gif

And let's not personalise this.



We'll see who's right and who's on who's side in due time.

You seem overly keen to ignore other issues that are far more serious than this one you want to go on about (even though you said "let's wait and see") you and other SNP haters are brimming with mock outrage for alleged victims but totally ignoring real live victims because it doesn't suit your agenda.

At least admit you're not interested in condemning the vile behaviour of the Unionist MP's who have already been named and shamed in the links i've provided not to mention the Paedophile MP's who seem to be above the law. yes.gif



Posted by: JAGZ1876 4th Sep 2018, 06:31pm

Wow, Labour party members as well as trade union members will be crowdfunding Kezia's court defence whether they want to or not.

Kem and DJ will be outraged at this....Oh wait a minute....That's right, she's a fellow Unionist

Carry on, nothing to see here. laugh.gif

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16685771.labour-bankroll-kezia-dugdales-defence-in-wings-over-scotland-defamation-case/

Posted by: wombat 4th Sep 2018, 07:56pm

tongue.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZxr1I9R9I wub.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 4th Sep 2018, 08:30pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 4th Sep 2018, 08:56pm) *
tongue.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZxr1I9R9I wub.gif



So it's not just white men that have no rhythm then? laugh.gif

She's a better dancer than she is a PM, and i never thought she'd do something as equally cringeworthy as her royal curtsy. unsure.gif

Posted by: wombat 4th Sep 2018, 08:44pm

wacko.gif trying to drum up trade with former "colonies"is she serious? wacko.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 4th Sep 2018, 10:07pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 4th Sep 2018, 08:31pm) *
Wow, Labour party members as well as trade union members will be crowdfunding Kezia's court defence whether they want to or not.

Kem and DJ will be outraged at this....Oh wait a minute....That's right, she's a fellow Unionist

Carry on, nothing to see here. laugh.gif

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16685771.labour-bankroll-kezia-dugdales-defence-in-wings-over-scotland-defamation-case/



Kem will just come out with some of his usual crap to accuse you of deflection from the SNP "problem", or maybe he won't, just to prove me wrong.



Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Sep 2018, 08:30am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 4th Sep 2018, 11:07pm) *
Kem will just come out with some of his usual crap to accuse you of deflection from the SNP "problem", or maybe he won't, just to prove me wrong.



If he has any sense he'll have scuttled back into the woodwork like the others who have an agenda and only come out when they think they can score cheap political points.

The hypocrisy and faux outrage of some people never fails to amaze me. yes.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 5th Sep 2018, 11:03am

"The hypocrisy and faux outrage of some people never fails to amaze me."

Did you type that with a straight face ?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Sep 2018, 11:48am

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 5th Sep 2018, 12:03pm) *
"The hypocrisy and faux outrage of some people never fails to amaze me."

Did you type that with a straight face ?


I did DJ, why wouldn't i? unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 6th Sep 2018, 12:12pm

More proof of the diminishing status of Alex Salmond in the SNP.

Following on from these earlier comments,

QUOTE (Ian Blackford MP)
There is strong support for the first minister and for the government, from parliamentarians and from party members... I’m sure the processes which have been put in place are absolutely fit for purpose.

the former FM's judgement is again being called into question by the Party leadership.

QUOTE (Blackford)
The RT channel is a tool of the Russian state. It is now clear what the Russian authorities have been up to in the United Kingdom. People should think very carefully about being seen on that channel.

Alex's resignation from the Party is looking increasingly permanent. huh.gif

The next episode of Russia Today's https://www.rt.com/shows/alex-salmond-show/ airs tonight at 10:30pm.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 6th Sep 2018, 04:29pm

laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 6th Sep 2018, 04:58pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 6th Sep 2018, 05:29pm) *
laugh.gif


My memory is not quite what is was. Now, I’m pretty sure that some guy called Salmond used to be our first minister, sometime leader of the SNP and even once the spokesperson for the party at Westminster. Since the last election, when he lost his seat, was he not just an ordinary member of the SNP until he left?

Methinks there is a (poor) attempt being made at “sugar” stirring and the stirrer is liable to end up covered in “sugar” themselves eyebrow.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 6th Sep 2018, 05:39pm

Eck and the Russian Govt deny any Russian involvement in the poisoning,who should we believe?

ps.never heard of the expression sugar stirring !?

Posted by: ashfield 6th Sep 2018, 05:57pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 6th Sep 2018, 06:39pm) *
Eck and the Russian Govt deny any Russian involvement in the poisoning,who should we believe?

ps.never heard of the expression sugar stirring !?


huh.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 6th Sep 2018, 06:48pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 6th Sep 2018, 06:39pm) *
Eck and the Russian Govt deny any Russian involvement in the poisoning,who should we believe?

ps.never heard of the expression sugar stirring !?



You believe who you want to.

And "sugar stirring" is a term used in polite circles, no surprise you haven't heard of it DJ. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 6th Sep 2018, 06:52pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 6th Sep 2018, 05:58pm) *
My memory is not quite what is was. Now, I’m pretty sure that some guy called Salmond used to be our first minister, sometime leader of the SNP and even once the spokesperson for the party at Westminster. Since the last election, when he lost his seat, was he not just an ordinary member of the SNP until he left?

Methinks there is a (poor) attempt being made at “sugar” stirring and the stirrer is liable to end up covered in “sugar” themselves eyebrow.gif



Amazing with all that's going on in the UK and the turmoil in the red and blue Tory parties and all they want to talk about is Alex Salmond.

We can only imagine the frenzy they'd work themselves into if he was actually still a politician laugh.gif

Posted by: wombat 6th Sep 2018, 06:59pm

rolleyes.gif novichok poisoning story came at a very convenient time ? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 6th Sep 2018, 07:56pm

Not like you to have something to add to the discussion, Wombat, which is more than can be said for some. unsure.gif

Posted by: wombat 6th Sep 2018, 08:14pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 6th Sep 2018, 08:56pm) *
Not like you to have something to add to the discussion, Wombat, which is more than can be said for some. unsure.gif


that's bçoz most of the time it degenerates into a slanging match kem. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 6th Sep 2018, 08:20pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 6th Sep 2018, 07:59pm) *
rolleyes.gif novichok poisoning story came at a very convenient time ? rolleyes.gif



Nothing distracts more than a good Red's under the bed scare. wink.gif

Posted by: wombat 6th Sep 2018, 08:21pm

thumbup.gif just what wis thinking M8 laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 6th Sep 2018, 08:38pm

It's scarier than that. They're on our streets, in our computers, above our heads, under our waters, and on our TVs.

Posted by: wombat 6th Sep 2018, 08:41pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 6th Sep 2018, 09:38pm) *
It scarier than that. They're on our streets, in our computers, above our heads, under our waters, and on our TVs.


unsure.gif and unner the bed yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 6th Sep 2018, 08:48pm

Then there's a European Arrest Warrant out for your smelly socks, for poisoning. tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Sep 2018, 10:33am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 6th Sep 2018, 09:48pm) *
Then there's a European Arrest Warrant out for your smelly socks, for poisoning. tongue.gif



Wombats smelly socks would be more effective than the not so deadly novichok. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Sep 2018, 10:37am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 6th Sep 2018, 09:38pm) *
It's scarier than that. They're on our streets, in our computers, above our heads, under our waters, and on our TVs.



Anything would be better than whats on the TV. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 7th Sep 2018, 11:02am

They're also meddling in our Politics.

But here's another sensible viewpoint from within the higher reaches of the SNP, in reply to another sore loser going by the name of Tommy Sheridan - remember him?

QUOTE (Stewart McDonald, Glasgow South SNP MP)
Sputnik is owned and controlled by a Billionaire. Many of those ‘denied’ platforms elsewhere and find themselves on Sputnik are holodomor deniers, conspiracy theorists and cranks. Consider why that might be. Decent minded people should body-swerve it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/stewartmcdonald/status/1037583593747505154

Interesting times. huh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Sep 2018, 03:43pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 7th Sep 2018, 12:02pm) *
They're also meddling in our Politics.

But here's another sensible viewpoint from within the higher reaches of the SNP, in reply to another sore loser going by the name of Tommy Sheridan - remember him?


Interesting times. huh.gif


You're ducking all the interesting times Kem. yes.gif

What has Tommy Sheridan got to do with your Salmond Vs Sturgeon thread? unsure.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 7th Sep 2018, 04:43pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 7th Sep 2018, 05:43pm) *
You're ducking all the interesting times Kem. yes.gif

What has Tommy Sheridan got to do with your Salmond Vs Sturgeon thread? unsure.gif



He's on an alliteration kick, Jagz. Sheridan, Shalmond & Shturgeon. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 7th Sep 2018, 04:43pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 7th Sep 2018, 04:43pm) *
You're ducking all the interesting times Kem. yes.gif

What has Tommy Sheridan got to do with your Salmond Vs Sturgeon thread? unsure.gif

Hi Bilbo, are you auditioning to be his sidekick?

Sheridan and Salmond are fellow presenters on Russia Today, Jagz, a station that the SNP has now effectively black-listed. With our former FM not leaving that station any time soon, it could make his resignation from the SNP last week quite timely and convenient for Nicola, as Salmond is giving her extra headaches that she could do without.

I also find the Glasgow MP's language very interesting, don't you?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Sep 2018, 07:01pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 7th Sep 2018, 05:43pm) *
Sheridan and Salmond are fellow presenters on Russia Today, Jagz, a station that the SNP has now effectively black-listed.

I also find the Glasgow MP's language very interesting, don't you?


Are Sputnik TV and Russia Today the same company?

Which Glasgow MP are you talking about and what was said? unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Sep 2018, 07:03pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 7th Sep 2018, 05:43pm) *
He's on an alliteration kick, Jagz. Sheridan, Shalmond & Shturgeon. laugh.gif



He's talking Sh.. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 7th Sep 2018, 07:14pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 7th Sep 2018, 08:01pm) *
Are Sputnik TV and Russia Today the same company?

Sputnik is a show on RT apparently.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 7th Sep 2018, 08:01pm) *
Which Glasgow MP are you talking about and what was said? unsure.gif

See post 69.

Salmond a "crank". Interesting.

Posted by: Kemedian 7th Sep 2018, 07:49pm

Apologies, Jagz, got my 'cranks' mixed up. There is a show on RT named Sputnik, but that's presented by another Scottish political outcast, George Galloway. Sheridan's new employer - of the same name - is a separate news outlet from RT.

Galloway, then Salmond, and now Sheridan. The enemy of my enemy... pays rather well.

Posted by: wombat 7th Sep 2018, 07:55pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 6th Sep 2018, 09:48pm) *
Then there's a European Arrest Warrant out for your smelly socks, for poisoning. tongue.gif


tongue.gif toxic sock syndrome. tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Sep 2018, 08:25pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 7th Sep 2018, 08:49pm) *
Apologies, Jagz, got my 'cranks' mixed up. There is a show on RT named Sputnik, but that's presented by another Scottish political outcast, George Galloway. Sheridan's new employer - of the same name - is a separate news outlet from RT.

Galloway, then Salmond, and now Sheridan. The enemy of my enemy... pays rather well.


Ofcom don't seem to have a problem granting these stations a licence to broadcast in the UK so if the UK government regulator don't have a problem with these channels then why should you?

You really do like taking threads off topic when things don't go your way Kem, even one's you started. yes.gif

Posted by: ashfield 8th Sep 2018, 06:51am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 7th Sep 2018, 08:03pm) *
He's talking Sh.. laugh.gif


Sugar? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: ashfield 8th Sep 2018, 08:11am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 7th Sep 2018, 09:25pm) *
You really do like taking threads off topic when things don't go your way Kem, even one's you started. yes.gif


To be fair to him, it’s not like May or Corbyn are having any issues to deal with right now. Apparently both their parties have leaders based in Scotland, but it appears they aiming for the world “hide and seek” record (surprising since we’re right in the middle of the reality TV season rolleyes.gif ). And the Lib Dem guy announced he’s leaving and most folk didn’t even know he was there in the first place.

I look forward to the future of the thread, perhaps Alec and Nicola, the Tiddlywinks Years or when Alec snapped during a game of cards tongue.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 8th Sep 2018, 09:37am

You shouldn't trivialize in the circumstances, Ash. Salmond is clearly floundering in shark infested water, and if his old Party gets it way at the Court of Session then this cold war will escalate to boiling point. That's not me scaremongering, here's what he writes himself:

QUOTE
If I lose then I will have to answer to the complaints both comprehensively and publically.

Posted by: ashfield 8th Sep 2018, 11:49am

Well, why don’t we all wait and see what occurs then comment yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th Sep 2018, 12:23pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 8th Sep 2018, 07:51am) *
Sugar? rolleyes.gif


Don't Ash, you'll have DJ on again saying he's never heard that expression. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th Sep 2018, 12:27pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 8th Sep 2018, 09:11am) *
And the Lib Dem guy announced he’s leaving and most folk didn’t even know he was there in the first place.


To be honest i thought Tim Whatshisname was still their leader. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th Sep 2018, 01:32pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 8th Sep 2018, 09:11am) *
To be fair to him, it’s not like May or Corbyn are having any issues to deal with right now.


Nope, according to Kem and DJ everything is rosy in their green and pleasant UKtopia. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 15th Sep 2018, 01:16pm

It turns out that if Salmond had gotten his way then this wouldn't have been a story. His legal team attempted to prevent the Party from going public.

The Party believes he has a case to answer, and having had a chance to review the case so now do the police.

Is Salmond fighting a losing battle? If so, then this could be the biggest fall from grace in Scottish Political history.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Sep 2018, 04:21pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 15th Sep 2018, 02:16pm) *
Is Salmond fighting a losing battle? If so, then this could be the biggest fall from grace in Scottish Political history.


He's not a politician though. unsure.gif

Remember you said "Let's wait for the outcome of the court proceedings, the police investigation and latterly the Party's due process"?

Why did you lie to us?

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Jan 2019, 09:49am

QUOTE (Salmond)
I'm not guilty of any criminality.
https://youtu.be/EohGXLgu8fo

Now will he be turning again to his supporters for another £100k ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland

Is he lying to us?

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Jan 2019, 03:17pm



QUOTE
The 64-year-old is accused of 14 charges. These are:

1) Breach of the Peace
2) Indecent Assault
3) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
4) Indecent Assault
5) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
6) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
7) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
8) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
9) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
10) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S1 (Attempted Rape)
11) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
12) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S1 (Attempted Rape)
13) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)
14) Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 S3 (Sexual Assault)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/revealed-ex-first-minister-alex-salmond-is-accused-of-fourteen-charges-including-attempted-rape/amp/

Posted by: Dykejumper 24th Jan 2019, 11:30pm

Its good news for the Selfie Queen, it will be months before anyone can ask her more awkward questions about those conversations she had with Eck.
Eck's use of the word 'criminalty' is odd, most people would just protest their innocence.

Posted by: carmella 28th Jan 2019, 10:46pm

I wondered too about his choice of words.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 31st Jan 2019, 03:00pm

Watched a documentary about 'human lie detectors' and what they look out for.
One of the warning signs to look out for is when the accused try to remove themselves from responsibility for the incident or in this case crime.
By not defending himself from the accusations in particular and talking about criminality in general he could possibly fit into that category.

Posted by: wombat 31st Jan 2019, 04:28pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 31st Jan 2019, 03:00pm) *
Watched a documentary about 'human lie detectors' and what they look out for.
One of the warning signs to look out for is when the accused try to remove themselves from responsibility for the incident or in this case crime.
By not defending himself from the accusations in particular and talking about criminality in general he could possibly fit into that category.


rolleyes.gif

THEY know what to look out for bcoz that's what THEY used to get themselves off the hook laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 1st Feb 2019, 12:47am

Not the best timing. blush.gif

QUOTE (Salmond @ 21st January 2018)
One of our features in the national movement has been our inability to weigh the strengths and weaknesses of our political opponents. We have tended to concentrate on what shape we are in. However, right now the Westminster political establishment is at its weakest point in my lifetime... https://www.thenational.scot/news/17372027.alex-salmond-says-now-is-the-time-for-independence-fight/


Posted by: carmella 3rd Feb 2019, 05:47pm

Nobody’s playing!

Posted by: wombat 3rd Feb 2019, 06:35pm

rolleyes.gif brexit shock syndrome carmella rolleyes.gif

Posted by: carmella 3rd Feb 2019, 06:56pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 3rd Feb 2019, 06:35pm) *
rolleyes.gif brexit shock syndrome carmella rolleyes.gif

Must be Wombat, or maybe they’ve run out o steam!🙀🙀🙀🤓🤓🤓

Posted by: wombat 3rd Feb 2019, 07:00pm

biggrin.gif BORED probably laugh.gif

Posted by: carmella 4th Feb 2019, 06:53pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 5th Feb 2019, 09:39am

Well Carmella, for one thing Nats don't want to talk about it, for obvious reasons. Sturgeon says Indy is bigger than one man, but I doubt if Bute House has a big enough carpet or a strong enough air freshener to hide this story. There are questions as to how much and for how long she knew about it, hence the Parliamentory enquiry, which could yet bring down even her!

She is trying to free herself from his influence (some say dominance) and support in the Party but is finding him every bit as tough an adversary as he was an ally. A nation awaits one of its most sensational trials in living memory, the result of which could shine a whole different light on a Political career and personal mission to lead Scotland to independence. If he's found guilty, then a whole new discussion will begin... Why did he do it?

Posted by: carmella 6th Feb 2019, 08:12am

Yes all of that may be so, and I'm certainly not, nor have ever been a fan of either leader of the SNP, or the SNP party, but I do think interesting times lie ahead.

Posted by: carmella 6th Feb 2019, 09:33am

I also read more into the word choice that he has not done anything criminal, meaning he did do something just that it was not of a criminal nature hmm!

Posted by: Kemedian 6th Feb 2019, 10:47am

It's the number of allegations against Salmond to surface that has really taken everyone by surprise, Carmella, except perhaps Sturgeon who is now under investigation at Parliament for holding five undocumented meetings with him about the allegations before these became public knowledge.

What does it say about Salmond when even a woman at the head of Government must try so hard to please him? That could be Sturgeon's big mistake.


"Behave yourself, woman."

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 7th Feb 2019, 06:46pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 2nd Sep 2018, 02:24pm) *
... and unfortunately to the genuine alleged victims.


Hi guys. I've been tryin' no' tae but in but that one got me.
I've heard of alledged victims, I've known genuine victims but I'm now seeing the two descriptions coupled for the first time : a bit like real imagined instances I suppose rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 7th Feb 2019, 10:11pm

Perhaps I should have used inverted commas...

genuine 'alleged' victims

Genuine because Salmond's many supporters are portraying him as the victim. And alleged because our former First Minister is denying any 'criminality'.

You're late to the game THH. Those who see past typos to the actual story and are able to comment have already done so. But stay tuned as things get more interesting. wink.gif

Posted by: wombat 8th Feb 2019, 05:59pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 7th Feb 2019, 07:46pm) *
Hi guys. I've been tryin' no' tae but in but that one got me.
I've heard of alledged victims, I've known genuine victims but I'm now seeing the two descriptions coupled for the first time : a bit like real imagined instances I suppose rolleyes.gif


rolleyes.gif or ä suspicious looking vehicle WTF laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 22nd Nov 2019, 09:16am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50513544

Only one story on EVERY front page today (even The National) !

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Nov 2019, 10:10am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 22nd Nov 2019, 09:16am) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50513544

Only one story on EVERY front page today (even The National) !


Guilty until proven innocent. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Nov 2019, 05:26pm

Something for the 'Hang Him High' brigade to think about when commenting on a live trial.

https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=COPFS

Posted by: wombat 22nd Nov 2019, 05:54pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Nov 2019, 11:10am) *
Guilty until proven innocent. yes.gif



rolleyes.gif shouldnt that be innocent until proven Irish ? laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 19th Feb 2020, 11:34am

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18241600.salmond-due-high-court-today/

Posted by: JAGZ1876 19th Feb 2020, 02:00pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 19th Feb 2020, 11:34am) *
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18241600.salmond-due-high-court-today/


And how does this fit in to your climate change crusade? unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 19th Feb 2020, 03:37pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 19th Feb 2020, 02:00pm) *
And how does this fit in to your climate change crusade? unsure.gif

Your Trump impersonation has improved tremendously, it's like he's in the room.

Posted by: wombat 19th Feb 2020, 08:04pm

laugh.gif does "the room"have padded walls? thumbup.gif


 

Posted by: wombat 19th Feb 2020, 08:05pm

unsure.gif

Posted by: ashfield 20th Feb 2020, 08:42am

QUOTE (wombat @ 19th Feb 2020, 08:04pm) *
laugh.gif does "the room"have padded walls? thumbup.gif


He obviously didnae listen when his mammy told him not to sit too close to the fire tongue.gif

Posted by: wombat 20th Feb 2020, 06:44pm

happy.gif iwies listen tae yir mammy and dont STEAL. laugh.gif


 

Posted by: Kemedian 9th Mar 2020, 08:42am

Fourteen charges:

QUOTE
  • Attempted to rape a woman at the first minister's official Bute House residence in Edinburgh in June 2014 by pinning her against a wall and to have removed her clothes and his own, before pushing her onto a bed and lying naked on top of her
  • Indecently assaulted a woman on a number of occasions in Glasgow in June and July 2008 by kissing her on the mouth and touching her buttocks and breasts with his hands over her clothing
  • Sexually assaulted the same woman in December 2010 or December 2011 in the Ego nightclub in Edinburgh by touching her arms and hips with his hands over her clothing
  • Indecently assaulted a woman in October or November 2010 at Bute House by repeatedly seizing her by the wrists and repeatedly pulling her towards him and attempting to kiss her
  • Sexually assaulted a woman in a car in Edinburgh in February 2011 by touching her leg with his hand over her clothing
  • Sexually assaulted a woman on various occasions between 2011 and 2013 at Bute House, the Scottish Parliament and other locations by touching her buttocks with his hands over her clothing, stroking her arms, and touching and stroking her hair
  • Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in October 2013 by removing her foot from her shoe, stroking her foot, lifting her foot towards his mouth and attempting to kiss her foot
  • Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in November or December 2013 by kissing her on the mouth
  • Intended to rape the same woman in December 2013 at Bute House by causing her to sit on a bed, lying on top of her, making sexual remarks to her, touching her buttocks, thighs and breasts over her clothing with his hands, repeatedly kissing her face, struggling with her and pulling up her dress
  • Sexually assaulted a woman in 2012 at the Ubiquitous Chip restaurant in Glasgow by touching her buttocks with his hand over her clothing
  • Sexually assaulted the same woman at Bute House in April 2014 by placing his arm around her, making sexual remarks to her and attempting to kiss her
  • Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in May 2014 by placing his arm around her body, placing his hand under her clothing and underwear and touching her breast, repeatedly kissing her on the face and neck and stroking her leg with his hand
  • Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in September 2014 by seizing her by the shoulders, repeatedly kissing her on the face, attempting to kiss her on the lips and touching her leg and face with his hand
  • Sexually assaulted a woman at Stirling Castle in November 2014 by touching her buttock with his hand over her clothing


Alex Salmond is intending to plead not guilty in his trial beginning today at the High Court in Edinburgh.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Mar 2020, 09:37am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 9th Mar 2020, 08:42am) *
Fourteen charges:



Alex Salmond is intending to plead not guilty in his trial beginning today at the High Court in Edinburgh.


But Kem, what about your, "In my opinion, there are more important and pressing issues such as I've discussed, affecting not just us here at home, involving decisions that affect the rest of the World" Crusade? laugh.gif

I'll do Climate change, Bilbo you're on Coronavirus, Wombat you're on Drugs (literally) laugh.gif and Ash (i know you're not one of the three amigo's) but could you discuss Transgender issues or immigration or some other bollox please?

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th Mar 2020, 10:05am

Glad to see your spelling of Coronavirus, not as in the heading of that topic. That's me done! Can I go out to play now?

Posted by: Kemedian 9th Mar 2020, 10:19am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Mar 2020, 09:37am) *
Transgender issues or immigration or some other bollox please?

Tut tut.

Posted by: ashfield 9th Mar 2020, 10:57am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 9th Mar 2020, 10:19am) *
Tut tut.


Ken's right for once JAGZ, you missed out the word "utter" after "other" huh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 9th Mar 2020, 11:11am

Who's Ken? laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 9th Mar 2020, 12:11pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 9th Mar 2020, 11:11am) *
Who's Ken? laugh.gif


He's your spellcheck alter ego cool.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Mar 2020, 12:49pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 9th Mar 2020, 10:05am) *
That's me done! Can I go out to play now?


Only if your room is tidy. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Mar 2020, 12:52pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 9th Mar 2020, 10:57am) *
Ken's right for once JAGZ, you missed out the word "utter" after "other" huh.gif


I can do better than that Ash...Complete and Utter Dog's dangly bits. laugh.gif

Posted by: wombat 9th Mar 2020, 08:15pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 9th Mar 2020, 08:42am) *
Fourteen charges:



Alex Salmond is intending to plead not guilty in his trial beginning today at the High Court in Edinburgh.


quite a list rolleyes.gif ,its a wonder he had time for his "ministerial duties" wub.gif

i was at the doctors one time ,female doctor never seen her B4 sitting at desk opposite her, shes asking me questions health etc! next thing i feel her stockinged foot
rubbing against my leg from under her desk rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Mar 2020, 08:55pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 9th Mar 2020, 08:15pm) *
next thing i feel her stockinged foot
rubbing against my leg from under her desk rolleyes.gif


I can beat that, when i was a young man i had a sexy female dentist, even though it was it was only a filling she insisted on knocking me out, when i came around she apologised for the procedure taking longer than expected, i thought no more about it until getting ready for bed that night i noticed that my underpants were on back to front.

I was disgusted and changed dentists the very next day. wink.gif

Posted by: wombat 9th Mar 2020, 09:15pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Mar 2020, 08:55pm) *
I can beat that, when i was a young man i had a sexy female dentist, even though it was it was only a filling she insisted on knocking me out, when i came around she apologised for the procedure taking longer than expected, i thought no more about it until getting ready for bed that night i noticed that my underpants were on back to front.

I was disgusted and changed dentists the very next day. wink.gif


rolleyes.gif point i was trying to make was ,i didnt feel "violated"by her silk clad footsie biggrin.gif

Posted by: taurus 10th Mar 2020, 04:59am

Seems like Pete and Dud have joined the board. Hooray,laughtime coming up. laugh.gif

Posted by: DannyH 10th Mar 2020, 09:06am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Mar 2020, 08:55pm) *
I can beat that, when i was a young man i had a sexy female dentist, even though it was it was only a filling she insisted on knocking me out, when i came around she apologised for the procedure taking longer than expected, i thought no more about it until getting ready for bed that night i noticed that my underpants were on back to front.

I was disgusted and changed dentists the very next day. ;)

Jagz, I think you are being a bit unfair on the female dentist. Maybe she was just checking to see where the voice was coming from. From many of the posts you have made, I don’t blame her.

Danny

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th Mar 2020, 09:20am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 10th Mar 2020, 09:06am) *
Jagz, I think you are being a bit unfair on the female dentist. Maybe she was just checking to see where the voice was coming from. From many of the posts you have made, I don’t blame her.

Danny


laugh.gif Good one Danny wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th Mar 2020, 09:21am

QUOTE (wombat @ 9th Mar 2020, 09:15pm) *
rolleyes.gif point i was trying to make was ,i didnt feel "violated"by her silk clad footsie biggrin.gif


laugh.gif

Posted by: wombat 10th Mar 2020, 06:30pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 10th Mar 2020, 10:21am) *
laugh.gif


huh.gif Ok. tongue.gif she had stiletto heels on and gouged hunks outta my shin, smile.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th Mar 2020, 07:31pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 10th Mar 2020, 06:30pm) *
huh.gif Ok. tongue.gif she had stiletto heels on and gouged hunks outta my shin, smile.gif


Are you still a babe magnet Wombat? laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 10th Mar 2020, 08:23pm























Posted by: taurus 10th Mar 2020, 08:38pm

He`s hardly Brad Pitt is he.

Posted by: carmella 10th Mar 2020, 09:28pm

Away last year when this story first broke I laughed purely because I can’t imagine having you know what with this awful wee man!

If all of this is true, what on earth was it about his psyche that made him think any woman would be attracted to him.

Makes me cringe!

Posted by: Kemedian 10th Mar 2020, 09:56pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 10th Mar 2020, 09:28pm) *
Away last year when this story first broke I laughed purely because I can’t imagine having you know what with this awful wee man!

If all of this is true, what on earth was it about his psyche that made him think any woman would be attracted to him.

Makes me cringe!

It might be true, but it would need to be proven in court.

If it is, then it raises all sorts of questions.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Mar 2020, 07:22am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 10th Mar 2020, 09:56pm) *
It might be true, but it would need to be proven in court.

If it is, then it raises all sorts of questions.



Let's be honest Kem, there are many questions you'd rather not raise? wink.gif

I think you would all be wise to let the law try the case first before going off half cocked, if he's found guilty then by all means have your Red White and Blue lynching party. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Mar 2020, 07:30am

QUOTE (taurus @ 10th Mar 2020, 08:38pm) *
He`s hardly Brad Pitt is he.



Do you get much modeling work yourself these days Taurus? unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Mar 2020, 07:38am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 10th Mar 2020, 08:23pm) *























All these newspapers and yet you missed the headlines in each one of them about Swinson replacing the disgraced Willie Rennie and the LibDem child sex abuse scandal. yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 11th Mar 2020, 09:51am

I don't buy a paper, Jagz, and I recommend that you don't either for at least a few weeks, to keep your blood pressure down. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Mar 2020, 11:51am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 11th Mar 2020, 09:51am) *
I don't buy a paper, Jagz, and I recommend that you don't either for at least a few weeks, to keep your blood pressure down. wink.gif


Nothing wrong with my blood pressure, why would the trial of someone i have never met affect it Kem?

Although i think a cold shower may cool you down a bit, you're getting too excited. wink.gif

Posted by: carmella 11th Mar 2020, 01:18pm

Jagz would it surprise you to know Salmond going right back in time was one of the reasons I would never vote SNP my husband is exactly the same. We both can’t stand him.

However, let’s not forget innocent till proven guilty. Unfortunately in cases like this, there are no witnesses to back up what the women say. But I doubt very much with so many women involved, there has to be some fire under this smoke excl.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 11th Mar 2020, 03:16pm

You have to feel for his wife having to read all those lurid headlines,at 82 it cant be good for her health.

Posted by: carmella 11th Mar 2020, 06:38pm

I agree with you DJ! She must also have faith in him.

Posted by: wombat 11th Mar 2020, 07:10pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 11th Mar 2020, 04:16pm) *
You have to feel for his wife having to read all those lurid headlines,at 82 it cant be good for her health.



unsure.gif 82 sez it all dunnit? yes.gif

Posted by: wombat 11th Mar 2020, 07:44pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 11th Mar 2020, 07:38pm) *
I agree with you DJ! She must also have faith in him.


unsure.gif or sumthin on him? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Mar 2020, 07:45pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 11th Mar 2020, 01:18pm) *
Jagz would it surprise you to know Salmond going right back in time was one of the reasons I would never vote SNP my husband is exactly the same. We both can’t stand him.

However, let’s not forget innocent till proven guilty.

But I doubt very much with so many women involved, there has to be some fire under this smoke excl.gif


I'm pretty sure you and your Husband would never have voted SNP anyway, and i'm sure you both can't stand some present Tory MP's, MSP's, but it would never stop you voting for them.

Correct Carmella, i've been trying to drum that simple fact into some on here who are getting aroused at the whole affair.

If he's found guilty then he deserves everything that's coming to him.

I'm sure you'll agree with me Carmella when i say that all forms of sexual abuse should be condemned, and not just one's committed by those who hold opposing political views, no cover ups?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Mar 2020, 07:51pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 11th Mar 2020, 03:16pm) *
You have to feel for his wife having to read all those lurid headlines,at 82 it cant be good for her health.


Let's be honest DJ, you couldn't care less about his wife. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Mar 2020, 12:38pm

Wow...Kem's late with papers today, i hope he's ok? unsure.gif

Probably not enough titillating headlines for his liking. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 12th Mar 2020, 01:05pm

There's more important things going on than that man's trial.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Mar 2020, 06:20pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 12th Mar 2020, 01:05pm) *
There's more important things going on than that man's trial.


You wouldn't have thought so with your press coverage yesterday. laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 12th Mar 2020, 06:41pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Mar 2020, 06:20pm) *
You wouldn't have thought so with your press coverage yesterday. laugh.gif


Perhaps he was just being kind and helping out, given the "run" on toilet rolls tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Mar 2020, 06:58pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 12th Mar 2020, 06:41pm) *
Perhaps he was just being kind and helping out, given the "run" on toilet rolls tongue.gif


Thats about all they're good for. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 20th Mar 2020, 02:42pm

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18322162.alex-salmond-jury-retires-consider-sexual-assault-ve

Posted by: Dykejumper 20th Mar 2020, 05:23pm

His lawyer seems to be saying some of the things Eck did were wrong but not criminal at that time, we shall now have to wait for the verdict. Eck was a described as a 'marmite' man, how true.

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd Mar 2020, 02:55pm

NOT GUILTY

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52004285


The man who earned if not the praise then the respect of most of us (myself included, and I said as much at the time) during the independence referendum, now has earned his right to repair and rebuild his reputation. He and his supporters are vindicated.

Alex Salmond is innocent of all charges, and we await what is surely not to be his understated return to public life. He now deserves to be heard, and belived, in his own words.

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd Mar 2020, 03:08pm

belived believed

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Mar 2020, 03:11pm

Very magnanimous of you Kem, not such a "fishy affair" after all, shame you and others didn't wait until the legal system ran it's course before declaring your glee.

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd Mar 2020, 03:14pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Mar 2020, 03:11pm) *
glee.

Show me where I overstepped the mark, and I'll address it.

There were many avenues of discussion, but that stops now.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Mar 2020, 05:36pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 23rd Mar 2020, 03:14pm) *
Show me where I overstepped the mark, and I'll address it.

There were many avenues of discussion, but that stops now.


I look forward to you posting all the newspaper front pages tomorrow with the same gusto as you did after the first day of the trial. yes.gif

Although we all know the verdict will be buried on page 42 below the For Sale ads with a small paragraph bemoaning the outrageous miscarriage of justice. wink.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Mar 2020, 10:11am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Mar 2020, 05:36pm) *
I look forward to you posting all the newspaper front pages tomorrow with the same gusto as you did after the first day of the trial. yes.gif

Although we all know the verdict will be buried on page 42 below the For Sale ads with a small paragraph bemoaning the outrageous miscarriage of justice. wink.gif

It's a huge story and makes all the front pages today, even with everything else going on.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-52015562?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15850461364526&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s




Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 11:00am

Well done Kem. thumbup.gif

Has anyone seen DJ, is he still dismantling the gallows and taking down the red white and blue bunting? unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 12:02pm

This'll bring DJ scuttling back out, proof (if any were needed) that the original trial was a stitch up. yes.gif

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cleared-alex-salmond-faces-further-inquiry-after-claims-by-women-nw8z0kmcj

They will hope that trying him in an English court will give them the engineered verdict the High court in Edinburgh didn't.

Posted by: carmella 24th Mar 2020, 01:55pm

I don’t understand people who falsely accuse, or at the very least exaggerate, it’s disgusting. This is why for years I have wanted the law changed on naming accused!.

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Mar 2020, 02:28pm

What do you make of his measured victory speech, Jagz?



Posted by: Dykejumper 24th Mar 2020, 02:31pm

Not guilty of crimes but by his own admission guilty of inappropriate behaviour, he is not a nice
person and judging by his comments yesterday he will be going after former colleagues he thinks
conspired against him. This story is not going away,Eck will make sure of that.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 02:32pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 24th Mar 2020, 01:55pm) *
I don’t understand people who falsely accuse, or at the very least exaggerate, it’s disgusting. This is why for years I have wanted the law changed on naming accused!.


Totally agree Carmella, regardless of political preferences these i believe the actions of these Women will scare off genuine victims of sexual abuse from contacting the police.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 02:35pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 24th Mar 2020, 02:28pm) *
What do you make of his measured victory speech, Jagz?




I thought he was very as you say "measured" he will have his say in any future inquiry, but as he said, everyone is suffering today more than he was.

All in due course.


Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 02:38pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 24th Mar 2020, 02:31pm) *
Not guilty of crimes but by his own admission guilty of inappropriate behaviour, he is not a nice
person and judging by his comments yesterday he will be going after former colleagues he thinks
conspired against him. This story is not going away,Eck will make sure of that.


Not being a nice person is not a crime and he has every right to make sure it doesn't go away, we have to make sure no innocent person has to endure what he went through just because he is an enemy of the British establishment.

Posted by: Dykejumper 24th Mar 2020, 06:27pm

Jagz is delusional, he thinks the British establishment are behind those charges, surely eck has made it clear he has enemies in the party and indeed the Scottish Govt.

Posted by: wombat 24th Mar 2020, 06:29pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 02:38pm) *
Not being a nice person is not a crime and he has every right to make sure it doesn't go away, we have to make sure no innocent person has to endure what he went through just because he is an enemy of the British establishment.




tongue.gif hes between a rock and a hard" plaice"then? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 06:33pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 24th Mar 2020, 06:27pm) *
Jagz is delusional, he thinks the British establishment are behind those charges, surely eck has made it clear he has enemies in the party and indeed the Scottish Govt.


Well they have form for this type of thing, and you can hardly accuse others of being "delusional" DJ. wink.gif

Posted by: carmella 24th Mar 2020, 08:07pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 02:32pm) *
Totally agree Carmella, regardless of political preferences these i believe the actions of these Women will scare off genuine victims of sexual abuse from contacting the police.

I have always said this. The women behind this should be investigated to get to the truth.

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 11:46am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 02:35pm) *
I thought he was very as you say "measured"

Cryptic would be another word for it. huh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 03:04pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 11:46am) *
Cryptic would be another word for it. huh.gif


No, i wouldn't describe it as "cryptic" at all, we all know what he was referring to, and you have to admire his lack of triumphalism.

Posted by: wombat 25th Mar 2020, 06:04pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:04pm) *
No, i wouldn't describe it as "cryptic" at all, we all know what he was referring to, and you have to admire his lack of triumphalism.



unsure.gif see what hes like after the english are done with him sad.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 06:39pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 25th Mar 2020, 06:04pm) *
unsure.gif see what hes like after the english are done with him sad.gif


If it gets that far Wombat. wink.gif

Posted by: wombat 25th Mar 2020, 06:52pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif thumbup.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 08:09pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:04pm) *
You have to admire his lack of triumphalism.

I agree. He chose his words well, opting to keep his powder dry and maximise its damage. I pity his enemies, whoever they are! ohmy.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 09:31pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 08:09pm) *
I agree. He chose his words well, opting to keep his powder dry and maximise its damage. I pity his enemies, whoever they are! ohmy.gif


Well said. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Mar 2020, 10:37am

wink.gif


 

Posted by: Dykejumper 29th Mar 2020, 04:09pm

I doubt many will be surprised by Mr Jackson's comments...



Mr Jackson said: "I don't know much about senior politicians but he was quite an objectionable bully to work with, in a way that I don't think Nicola [current first minister Nicola Sturgeon] is.

"I think he was a nasty person to work for...a nightmare to work for."

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Mar 2020, 04:21pm

In what tavern did you meet the mysterious Mr Jackson ?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Mar 2020, 06:51pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Mar 2020, 05:21pm) *
In what tavern did you meet the mysterious Mr Jackson ?

If it wisnae the Louden, it's the Horseshoe, maybe even the Ludge. laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 30th Mar 2020, 07:27am

There were some interesting stories on the "Salmold" case in a couple of the newspapers I read over the weekend. They were remarkedly similar in text, despite them being written (allegedly) by different people. I got the feeling that someone is trying hard to keep this issue going, for reasons which will no doubt become clear in the coming weeks and months.

The basis of the story was a joint statement from all the women who made the accusations against Salmond. Given that these women have said that there was no collusion on their part and that some of them didn't even know who the other woman were, what are the logistics of a group like that producing a "joint statement"? Something stinks here methinks unsure.gif

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 09:44am

Something is very off about this!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Mar 2020, 09:59am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 30th Mar 2020, 08:27am) *
The basis of the story was a joint statement from all the women who made the accusations against Salmond.



After an 18 month police investigation, interviews of 400 people, followed by a full trial and a 'Not Guilty' verdict by majority female jury isn't it time to accept their plan failed and retrying it in the media is doing no good to the genuine victims of sexual abuse.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Mar 2020, 10:01am

QUOTE (carmella @ 30th Mar 2020, 10:44am) *
Something is very off about this!


As Kem describes in the title of this thread "A Fishy Affair" indeed. yes.gif

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 11:47am

I have long said in any accusations of rape and all sexual assaults against adults, whether famous or not, females making these accusations should be named if they are not named, then the males being accused should not be named.

Rape Crisis and women’s’ groups say that if that was the case, many women would not come forward. I believe this is probably the case. Therefore name no-one.

I have known of men falsely accused, indeed in two cases the women concerned were not known to these men, one later took his own life because he lost everything including his family and home. I have seen trusted well respected, and sourced documentaries of ruined lives because women falsely accused perfectly innocent men.

I dislike Mr. Salmond and await future responses from him.

The police passed all the information to the Crown Office who would only have brought this case to court with sufficient reason.

Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Mar 2020, 12:28pm

"The police passed all the information to the Crown Office who would only have brought this case to court with sufficient reason. "


Naïveté. they name is Carmella !

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Mar 2020, 01:39pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 30th Mar 2020, 12:47pm) *
Rape Crisis and women’s’ groups say that if that was the case, many women would not come forward. I believe this is probably the case. Therefore name no-one.


Totally agree about no one being named Carmella, and i hope that Rape Crisis Scotland aren't being used for political revenge by a spiteful Director, protecting and encouraging genuine victims of sexual abuse should be their only concern, not helping a spiteful person get some personal revenge.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/6xQ7PYKhWor8cN5sVZaIlhSILmg/appointments

https://twitter.com/MarkYou05730747/status/1244438269732868097/photo/1

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 02:54pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 30th Mar 2020, 01:28pm) *
"The police passed all the information to the Crown Office who would only have brought this case to court with sufficient reason. "


Naïveté. they name is Carmella !


I know a lot about Scottish Criminal Law, I could have told you that. Be careful what you think you know about me, you don’t know anything about the extent of my knowledge in this area!

We all know the Crown would not have brought this case otherwise.

Confine you’re opinions to less intelligent people you may know.

Apart from sarcasm you never add anything to these boards on any subject other than one liners and links.

Other people on here put some content to their posts.

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 02:56pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Mar 2020, 02:39pm) *
Totally agree about no one being named Carmella, and i hope that Rape Crisis Scotland aren't being used for political revenge by a spiteful Director, protecting and encouraging genuine victims of sexual abuse should be their only concern, not helping a spiteful person get some personal revenge.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/6xQ7PYKhWor8cN5sVZaIlhSILmg/appointments

https://twitter.com/MarkYou05730747/status/1244438269732868097/photo/1

Precisely Jagz!


Posted by: ashfield 30th Mar 2020, 03:16pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Mar 2020, 10:59am) *
After an 18 month police investigation, interviews of 400 people, followed by a full trial and a 'Not Guilty' verdict by majority female jury isn't it time to accept their plan failed and retrying it in the media is doing no good to the genuine victims of sexual abuse.


I didn't realise there has been significant "media" traffic on this, it just seemed odd to me that two different newspapers were running almost identical stories. Given that there appears to be only one topic in town, it was doubly odd. In the midst of all this I'm grasping at straws for motive, how can you destroy the political career of a guy who has no political career? It would be ironic if all this serves to resurrect his ambitions huh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Mar 2020, 04:48pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 30th Mar 2020, 04:54pm) *
I know a lot about Scottish Criminal Law, I could have told you that. Be careful what you think you know about me, you don’t know anything about the extent of my knowledge in this area!

We all know the Crown would not have brought this case otherwise.

Confine you’re opinions to less intelligent people you may know.

Apart from sarcasm you never add anything to these boards on any subject other than one liners and links.

Other people on here put some content to their posts.



What does knowledge of Scottish Criminal Law have to do with a case in an English court?
Why should I be careful? Is that a threat? Knowledge does not mean intelligence.

Are you saying that the Crown Office is above political shenanigans? This is the reason for my accusation of naïveté.

My opinions are already shared with many of low intelligence. Unfortunately I have no control over who reads them on here.

One-liners and links are preferable to some of the garbage (also known as "content") on here. Quality not quantity!

I do not wish to know any more about you than I already do. I assume the feeling is reciprocal.


Good day !

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 05:43pm

You knew perfectly well I was not talking about England.

The law in England is different from Scots Law.

That might be a separate topic.

Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Mar 2020, 06:15pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 30th Mar 2020, 07:43pm) *
You knew perfectly well I was not talking about England.

The law in England is different from Scots Law.

That might be a separate topic.



You did not make that clear. Kindly do not presume what I know perfectly well.

I think I have pointed that out already, that Scots
Law is different, being based on Roman Law.

-

Posted by: wombat 30th Mar 2020, 07:20pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 30th Mar 2020, 05:43pm) *
You knew perfectly well I was not talking about England.

The law in England is different from Scots Law.

That might be a separate topic.


laugh.gif and heres me thinkin its aw corrupt laugh.gif

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 07:53pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 30th Mar 2020, 07:15pm) *
You did not make that clear. Kindly do not presume what I know perfectly well.

I think I have pointed that out already, that Scots
Law is different, being based on Roman Law.

-

Oh dear! The case was taking place in Scotland, why would I have to make it clear that I was talking about Scottish Criminal Law.

I think you must be a wind up merchant.

Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Mar 2020, 09:35pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 30th Mar 2020, 09:53pm) *
Oh dear! The case was taking place in Scotland, why would I have to make it clear that I was talking about Scottish Criminal Law.

I think you must be a wind up merchant.




You did not specify if you meant the past case or the possible future one in England.

I do not know why you contemplate my being a wind-up merchant, when everyone knows you are battery operated. tongue.gif

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 10:41pm

For future reference, when and if I discuss a future English case, that will be made perfectly clear by my use of the word “England” in proper context.

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 08:53am

QUOTE (carmella @ 31st Mar 2020, 12:41am) *
For future reference, when and if I discuss a future English case, that will be made perfectly clear by my use of the word “England” in proper context.




Good!

Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 09:13am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 30th Mar 2020, 10:35pm) *
You did not specify if you meant the past case or the possible future one in England.

I do not know why you contemplate my being a wind-up merchant, when everyone knows you are battery operated. :P

Bilbo, you are the self appointed master of ENGLISH spelling and grammar. So where is your evidence that “everyone” thinks that Carmella is battery operated? You are not “everyone”

Once again, I have to question your mentality. The world is in turmoil and the country you live in is one of the worst affected by Coronavirus. Do you ever stop and think of others who are living in in isolation? Forums like this one should be used to help each other get through this. So please stop this nonsense and try to participate by submitting posts which will generate meaningful discussions.

Danny

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 09:26am

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/jaccuse-2/?fbclid=IwAR14sfanrosvpElberGmm3I73loFi4nEzNRPdRyZoBF1C9BfCHw_d_hW03w A little light reading for your delectation.

Danny Boy, I will post what I please (Where have I read that before ?)

BTW I have never declared myself as the guardian of English grammar and spelling, but it is highly irrelevant in your latest outpourings. The term "everyone" is an exaggeration (I hesitate to call it "poetic licence" ), but in no way is it ungrammatical.

Now back on topic!

Posted by: ashfield 31st Mar 2020, 11:53am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 31st Mar 2020, 10:26am) *
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/jaccuse-2/?fbclid=IwAR14sfanrosvpElberGmm3I73loFi4nEzNRPdRyZoBF1C9BfCHw_d_hW03w A little light reading for your delectation.

Danny Boy, I will post what I please (Where have I read that before ?)

BTW I have never declared myself as the guardian of English grammar and spelling, but it is highly irrelevant in your latest outpourings. The term "everyone" is an exaggeration (I hesitate to call it "poetic licence" ), but in no way is it ungrammatical.

Now back on topic!


Bill, thanks for the link. I’m not an avid reader of Craig Murray’s stuff but he has produced some interesting insights over the piece. If even 10% of this was true (although I’m pretty sure that all of it is) it would be both astonishing and frightening in equal measure. I’m fairly sure that the repercussions of this case will be felt across Scottish politics for years to come.

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 11:57am

You're welcome, Ash.smile.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Apr 2020, 08:52am

Craig Murray now in the crosshairs of the British Nationalists media for daring to tell the public the truth about the Alex Salmond trial. angry.gif

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/alex-salmond-blogger-trial-high-21789285

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1245013546204901376


Posted by: ashfield 1st Apr 2020, 12:16pm

Suppose it was the predictable outcome, they can't challenge the blog content so resort to a personal attack. Nothing more designed to increase the support he gets.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Apr 2020, 01:31pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 1st Apr 2020, 01:16pm) *
Suppose it was the predictable outcome, they can't challenge the blog content so resort to a personal attack. Nothing more designed to increase the support he gets.


It's pathetic Ash, we used to laugh at banana republics and the control of the media the likes of Mugabe and Castro had, but they, and even the the old Soviet Union had nothing on this British Establishment regime.

Posted by: Dykejumper 2nd Apr 2020, 07:17pm

Well ! now I know that the Nat govt is totally corrupt and conspired to put an innocent man in jail.
We can now expect a gnat civil war next year, the Sturgeonites v Eck's old guard and the WOS
brigade.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Apr 2020, 07:46pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 2nd Apr 2020, 08:17pm) *
Well ! now I know that the Nat govt is totally corrupt and conspired to put an innocent man in jail.
We can now expect a gnat civil war next year, the Sturgeonites v Eck's old guard and the WOS
brigade.


Not as corrupt as your "Nat govt" down in Westminster though, and you couldn't give a toss if he was innocent during the trial, you and Kem were getting all hot and bothered and believing the Britnat rags that he was going to the pokey.

How many times is that you BritGnats have been flogging the "Civil War" dead horse now? laugh.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 2nd Apr 2020, 10:55pm

Nice to read that you agree the Nat govt is corrupt.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 3rd Apr 2020, 08:01am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 1st Apr 2020, 03:31pm) *
It's pathetic Ash, we used to laugh at banana republics and the control of the media

Before the end of apartheid our president PW Botha had his own hotline to the national broadcaster. Any news item he didn't like could and ofter would be cut of in mid report. It even extended to popular programmes when he stopped a sci-fi show called V because "it called for civil defiance"

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Apr 2020, 10:11am

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 2nd Apr 2020, 11:55pm) *
Nice to read that you agree the Nat govt is corrupt.


Don't tell me all the panic buyers have cleared the shelves of straws now?

You really are running out of ones to clutch.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 4th Apr 2020, 10:09am

A fascinating read to while away the time in these lockdown days as Craig Murray demolishes Ms Garavelli's biased account of what actually happened in the courtroom.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/04/i-have-a-plan-so-that-we-can-remain-anonymous-but-have-maximum-effect/

Posted by: ashfield 4th Apr 2020, 12:23pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 4th Apr 2020, 11:09am) *
A fascinating read to while away the time in these lockdown days as Craig Murray demolishes Ms Garavelli's biased account of what actually happened in the courtroom.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/04/i-have-a-plan-so-that-we-can-remain-anonymous-but-have-maximum-effect/


Thanks JAGZ, well worth reading.

Posted by: wombat 4th Apr 2020, 08:07pm

thumbup.gif nice read.

garavelli is herself scots with a serious CRINGE infection (love it) laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Apr 2020, 08:16am

QUOTE (wombat @ 4th Apr 2020, 09:07pm) *
thumbup.gif nice read.

garavelli is herself scots with a serious CRINGE infection (love it) laugh.gif


There are more than a few on here suffering serious symptoms too Wombat. laugh.gif

Posted by: carmella 5th Apr 2020, 01:00pm

Interesting read. I wonder, rather than our own speculation, if the public will ever learn the true facts.

We all have our opinions of course, but I say again if this man did nothing wrong (like hundreds before him) then this case should never have gone to trial.

I await with baited breath.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Apr 2020, 03:03pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 5th Apr 2020, 02:00pm) *
Interesting read. I wonder, rather than our own speculation, if the public will ever learn the true facts.

We all have our opinions of course, but I say again if this man did nothing wrong (like hundreds before him) then this case should never have gone to trial.

I await with baited breath.


I think there will be inquiries once the virus situation has passed, i'm sure it'll all come out in the wash wink.gif

Posted by: carmella 5th Apr 2020, 06:04pm

I absolutely agree!

Posted by: Kemedian 28th Apr 2020, 08:23am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Mar 2020, 04:11pm) *
Not such a "fishy affair" after all.




Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Apr 2020, 09:04am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 28th Apr 2020, 09:23am) *



Oh dear Kem, you're setting yourself up for yet another massive disappointment, you anticipated a civil war that never happend, the trial would finish the SNP when Salmond was found guilty, now this. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 28th Apr 2020, 09:19am

It's just a headline, Jagz. You read into it what you will, I don't read that rubbish.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Apr 2020, 11:15am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 28th Apr 2020, 10:19am) *
It's just a headline, Jagz. You read into it what you will, I don't read that rubbish.


Yet you keep posting that rubbish. yes.gif

And don't shout, i'm not hard of hearing. wink.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 28th Apr 2020, 03:45pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 28th Apr 2020, 12:15pm) *
Yet you keep posting that rubbish. yes.gif

I told you the paper has form. yes.gif

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 28th Apr 2020, 12:15pm) *
And don't shout, i'm not hard of hearing. wink.gif

Then how about mustering an opinion on the biggest story of our time and how your country is coping in it over on the other thread, or are you hard of thinking as Ash would say?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Apr 2020, 06:04pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 28th Apr 2020, 04:45pm) *
I told you the paper has form. yes.gif


Then how about mustering an opinion on the biggest story of our time and how your country is coping in it over on the other thread, or are you hard of thinking as Ash would say?


And yet you couldn't give one example.

I'll comment on any story when i feel like it, and i don't think Ash had me in mind when he wrote that. wink.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 28th Apr 2020, 06:33pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 28th Apr 2020, 07:04pm) *
And yet you couldn't give one example.

So this article has merit?

Posted by: Kemedian 28th Apr 2020, 09:03pm

I've stumped him.

Howzat!

Posted by: ashfield 29th Apr 2020, 07:43am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 28th Apr 2020, 07:33pm) *
So this article has merit?


If you don't read it how can you judge whether it has merit or not?

If you don't read " that rubbish", why did you look it up to post here?

Methinks you are still trying to justify starting this thread unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 29th Apr 2020, 07:59am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 29th Apr 2020, 08:43am) *
If you don't read it how can you judge whether it has merit or not?

If you don't read " that rubbish", why did you look it up to post here?

Methinks you are still trying to justify starting this thread unsure.gif

This paper and this paper only saw fit to lead with the story.

It is clearly relevant to this thread.

I don't read it, but I know from articles you've recommended previously that you do. So, does this one have merit? Jagz seems to think so.

Posted by: Kemedian 29th Apr 2020, 02:11pm

I'm on a hat-trick! wink.gif

Posted by: ashfield 29th Apr 2020, 03:08pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 03:11pm) *
I'm on a hat-trick! wink.gif


Aye, the big pointy one with the D on the front clown.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 29th Apr 2020, 04:03pm

Does anyone take that paper seriously? Listening to today's First Minister's daily press conference, there was definitely something in the way that Sturgeon spoke to one of its journalists that conveyed a sense of disdain. While questions from other quarters had consistently challenged the SNP Leader on her Government's response to the ongoing health and economic crisis, The National aimed slightly lower and missed its mark completely. Paraphrasing, her reply to "Will there be a General Election?" was blunt, "It's not that your question isn't legitimate... but... I've simply no time to play Politics."

I believe that there is little love lost in that relationship and mutual distrust. And when readers of the paper on here refuse to comment on headlines like the one we had the other day about Alex Salmond's book, well that tells its own story. eyebrow.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Apr 2020, 04:41pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 06:03pm) *
Does anyone take that paper seriously? Listening to today's First Minister's daily press conference, there was definitely something in the way that Sturgeon spoke to one of its journalists that conveyed a sense of disdain. While questions from other quarters had consistently challenged the SNP Leader on her Government's response to the ongoing health and economic crisis, The National aimed slightly lower and missed its mark completely. Paraphrasing, her reply to "Will there be a General Election?" was blunt, "It's not that your question isn't legitimate... but... I've simply no time to play Politics."

I believe that there is little love lost in that relationship and mutual distrust. And when readers of the paper on here refuse to comment on headlines like the one we had the other day about Alex Salmond's book, well that tells its own story. eyebrow.gif




Which paper does anyone , including you, take seriously ? There's the tragedy of British "journalism" !



Posted by: ashfield 29th Apr 2020, 04:57pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 05:03pm) *
Does anyone take that paper seriously? Listening to today's First Minister's daily press conference, there was definitely something in the way that Sturgeon spoke to one of its journalists that conveyed a sense of disdain. While questions from other quarters had consistently challenged the SNP Leader on her Government's response to the ongoing health and economic crisis, The National aimed slightly lower and missed its mark completely. Paraphrasing, her reply to "Will there be a General Election?" was blunt, "It's not that your question isn't legitimate... but... I've simply no time to play Politics."

I believe that there is little love lost in that relationship and mutual distrust. And when readers of the paper on here refuse to comment on headlines like the one we had the other day about Alex Salmond's book, well that tells its own story. eyebrow.gif


Let's put this to bed. The only newspaper I read on a regular basis (and have done for over 45 years) is The Observer. I'm an occasional reader of the National and other newspapers if they take my interest (most usually for sport content). There many more I would never read under any circumstances. I have no idea what the story is about the alleged book or its potential contents so I can offer you no insight on its merits or otherwise.

As usual you make too many assumptions and apply false logic.

Posted by: Kemedian 29th Apr 2020, 05:00pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Apr 2020, 05:41pm) *
There's the tragedy of British "journalism" !

British? It's barely journalism.

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Apr 2020, 06:08pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 07:00pm) *
British? It's barely journalism.



Hence the quotation marks, dummy!

As for "British" , I doubt there is a more biased press in the western world.

Posted by: Kemedian 29th Apr 2020, 07:37pm

From Google, the article in full. We might as well read what we're discussing. sign_lol.gif

QUOTE
Jim Sillars says SNP may have to quit after Alex Salmond's book


ALEX Salmond's new book will be like a "volcanic eruption" for the SNP which may need to be replaced by a new independence party, according to its former deputy leader.

The Herald reported that Jim Sillars said Alex Salmond’s recent trial and acquittal had shown there was a need “for a complete clear-out of the highest levels of the party before it is again fit to lead again”.

The extent of this “rot” could require the independence movement “to set up something new, untainted, in its place”, he said.

Salmond was cleared of 13 sexual assault charges at the High Court in Edinburgh last month, and suggested he had been the victim of a politically-motivated conspiracy.

Senior MPs in the party have hit out at the way the case was handled and have called for Salmond to rejoin.

In the forthcoming issue of the Scottish Left Review, Sillars says the "trial of the SNP both at party and parliamentary level is yet to begin".

The revelations in Salmond's book about the case “will gladden Unionist hearts”, and “a tempest of scorn will sweep down on and over on the independence movement”, he adds.

Sillars was deputy to Salmond when he was SNP leader in the 1990s.

He has previously said Salmond shared information about his case with him in advance of the trial which pointed to a conspiracy against him.

Although this was not produced in court for legal reasons – the judge ruled it could lead to the trial straying off course – the former First Minister now intends to make it public in his book.

Sillars said: “The criminal trial of Alex Salmond may be over, but the trial of the SNP both at party and parliamentary level is yet to begin.

“It is unavoidable.

“The book he is writing, with the material he was not allowed to produce at trial, but which has all the authenticity of Scottish government and SNP party documents, will be like a volcano going off underneath some people. Some whose identities I and others know, but cannot name, must tremble at the prospect of what is to come.

There could be another police investigation, this time not into Alex Salmond.”

He continues: “For the rest of us, it is the effect of that coming volcanic eruption on the SNP as a party, as the electoral wing of the independence movement, that matters.

“Not being in the Salmond camp, but in the SNP, and having devoted the major part of my political life to the cause of independence, I see a need for a complete clear-out of the highest levels of the party before it is again fit to lead.

“The cult of personality, the obsessive desire of leaders for complete control of the membership and parliamentarians, the growth of a clique of acolytes, one-person rule – there has been a rot growing at the heart of this organisation for years.”

Sillars also suggests the SNP may no longer be fit for purpose.

He wrote: “The independence movement is not just the SNP, but the movement as a whole has much invested in the party as the instrument to achieve democratic success.

“As the rot is uncovered, the temptation – already being thought of by some - will be to set up something new, untainted, in its place.

“That might need to be done if the damage to come proves fatal. I hope not, because it is not easy to replace and fill the electoral space of a long established organisation.

"I speak from experience of an attempt to do so in the mid- to late 1970s with the Scottish Labour Party.

“It is better to cleanse a sword than to discard it, in the hope of finding another. But if the sword cannot be cleansed enough … well … we shall see.

“There is enormous strength, and ability, in the independence movement.

“Whatever direction is taken, it will eventually succeed.”

The SNP have been approached for comment.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18407502.jim-sillars-says-snp-may-quit-alex-salmonds-book/

Posted by: wombat 29th Apr 2020, 07:47pm

rolleyes.gif same crap could be said about ANY political party the world over kem.

I would be more concerned about the narcisists and sociopaths running the country. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Apr 2020, 09:08pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 08:59am) *
Jagz seems to think so.


Because i reply to you don't flatter yourself by thinking i'm validating your pathetic little musings. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Apr 2020, 09:11pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 28th Apr 2020, 10:03pm) *
I've stumped him.

Howzat!


Do you honestly think that i'm like you and have nothing better to do than hang around here?

3 hours between your question and you reply. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Apr 2020, 09:15pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 08:37pm) *
We might as well read what we're discussing.


I wasn't discussing it.

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Apr 2020, 09:43pm

Sillars is as daft as Kemedian. At least he has the excuse of senility .

Posted by: Kemedian 29th Apr 2020, 09:58pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Apr 2020, 10:15pm) *
I wasn't discussing it.

I noticed. laugh.gif

I wonder why?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Apr 2020, 11:42pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 05:03pm) *
And when readers of the paper on here refuse to comment on headlines like the one we had the other day about Alex Salmond's book, well that tells its own story. eyebrow.gif


Asolutely pathetic, commenting on a book that hasn't even been published, what a sad little sheeple he is.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Apr 2020, 11:49pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 29th Apr 2020, 10:58pm) *



I can't be the only one to notice that your now thanking the NHS after years of supporting governments who have been cutting the budgets of the NHS?

Posted by: ashfield 30th Apr 2020, 07:38am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Apr 2020, 10:11pm) *
Do you honestly think that i'm like you and have nothing better to do than hang around here?

3 hours between your question and you reply. laugh.gif


Bit harsh JAGZ. I know you've got a life but the schools are off, he''s stuck in the house and not even allowed to go out and play with his pals eyebrow.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Apr 2020, 11:30am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 30th Apr 2020, 08:38am) *
Bit harsh JAGZ. I know you've got a life but the schools are off, he''s stuck in the house and not even allowed to go out and play with his pals eyebrow.gif



He has pals? unsure.gif

Posted by: ashfield 30th Apr 2020, 11:40am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Apr 2020, 12:30pm) *
He has pals? unsure.gif


Sorry, I meant playmates tongue.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 30th Apr 2020, 12:47pm

The wife and I are both key workers, so the main difference to daily life for us is fitting our kid's home schooling around our usual schedule. It ain't easy.

Anyway, the less said about this story and the paper that printed it the better. All I did was post the front page. It was Jagz who started the discussion, then left it, then joined it again. But really it is Alex Salmond (and his support) who is determined not to let it go. huh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Apr 2020, 01:01pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 30th Apr 2020, 01:47pm) *
All I did was post the front page. It was Jagz who started the discussion, then left it, then joined it again.

But really it is Alex Salmond (and his support) who is determined not to let it go. huh.gif



What discussion did i start?

And i (as well as everyone else) comment on a story then leave and rejoin later as we have lives to be getting on with, we can't all sit around on here all day.

Of course Alex Salmond won't let it go, he was falsely accused of disgusting crimes, and he also has a book to sell. wink.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 30th Apr 2020, 01:07pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Apr 2020, 02:01pm) *
Of course Alex Salmond won't let it go, he was falsely accused of disgusting crimes, and he also has a book to sell. wink.gif

Pre-ordered your's yet? wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Apr 2020, 05:14pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 30th Apr 2020, 02:07pm) *
Pre-ordered your's yet? wink.gif


No.

Does that count as starting a discussion? unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 30th Apr 2020, 05:34pm

QUOTE
QUOTE (Kemedian @ 30th Apr 2020, 02:07pm) *

Pre-ordered your's yet? wink.gif
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Apr 2020, 06:14pm) *
No.



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