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> Is The Union Already Lost?, Referendum: 18th September 2014
Dylan
post 9th Jan 2014, 01:20pm
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Who says the decommissioning will take 10 years?, and even if this were true Westminster will be paying to lease the site from the SG, and the workforce will be increased when the site becomes the HQ for the Scottish navy.


Ten years is the time scale I have heard mentioned.


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post 9th Jan 2014, 01:28pm
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QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2014, 12:44pm) *
There is no cost breakdown for Child Care in the White Paper.! That is my point.

I agree there will be savings for scrapping WMD. I agree with this. I have been a CND supporter for over 50 years .

However it comes at a cost. Benefits will have to be paid to the people who loose their jobs for example and decommissioning will take up to 10 years.!

We have to be told how it will be financed and at what costs.


The majority of workers at Faslane are armed forces personnel who will be relocated, subbies will have fixed term contracts and would have to retender every few years anyway. There will be specialist civvie positions that will be lost, but as a CND supporter you'll agree that is an acceptable cost for a Nuclear free country.

Well you know what Dylan you dont have to worry about how it is costed yet, it is not the policy of the SNP now, only if Scotland votes YES later this year and then only if the people vote for them in 2016.

Seeing as you support free school meals, childcare and getting rid of the nuclear deterrent i wondering what,if any, SNP policies you are against biggrin.gif


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post 9th Jan 2014, 01:50pm
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 9th Jan 2014, 01:45pm) *
The majority of workers at Faslane are armed forces personnel who will be relocated, subbies will have fixed term contracts and would have to retender every few years anyway. There will be specialist civvie positions that will be lost, but as a CND supporter you'll agree that is an acceptable cost for a Nuclear free country.

Well you know what Dylan you dont have to worry about how it is costed yet, it is not the policy of the SNP now, only if Scotland votes YES later this year and then only if the people vote for them in 2016.

Seeing as you support free school meals, childcare and getting rid of the nuclear deterrent i wondering what,if any, SNP policies you are against biggrin.gif


Probably only the one.!!

I have made it clear I abhor the Politics Of Nationalism.

When Oil was discovered the SNP wanted to keep it for themselves( Independent Scotland ) and cease to share with their neighbours.

I find this attitude appalling !

It's like the Lottery Winner who holds the winning ticket ,refusing to share with other members of the syndicate.!

Selfish in the extreme but he will give you a million reasons why he is justified.

If Oil had never been discovered. I wonder.???


oil had never been discovered

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post 9th Jan 2014, 02:22pm
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QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2014, 02:07pm) *
I have made it clear I abhor the Politics Of Nationalism.

When Oil was discovered the SNP wanted to keep it for themselves( Independent Scotland ) and cease to share with their neighbours.

I find this attitude appalling !


Selfish in the extreme but he will give you a million reasons why he is justified.


You don't seem to find the politics of British Nationalism abhorrent.

The SNP and fellow supporters of Scottish self determination were campaigning for independence long before oil was discovered.

When will we receive our share of Westminster pet projects?

Oh that's right, we only get to share in the paying for them, i don't suppose you find that selfish....Do you?
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post 9th Jan 2014, 02:41pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Jan 2014, 02:39pm) *
You don't seem to find the politics of British Nationalism abhorrent.

The SNP and fellow supporters of Scottish self determination were campaigning for independence long before oil was discovered.

When will we receive our share of Westminster pet projects?

Oh that's right, we only get to share in the paying for them, i don't suppose you find that selfish....Do you?


.. and the priviledge of being a global nuclear target by having US nukes dumped on us by our Engerlish Masters. The usual win-win scenario for them. And we pick up the tab though, in this instance, something which would`ve cost us far more than mere money, had the worst come to the worst.

How come no-one ever brings that up, hmmmm?
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post 9th Jan 2014, 03:16pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Jan 2014, 02:39pm) *
You don't seem to find the politics of British Nationalism abhorrent.

The SNP and fellow supporters of Scottish self determination were campaigning for independence long before oil was discovered.

When will we receive our share of Westminster pet projects?

Oh that's right, we only get to share in the paying for them, i don't suppose you find that selfish....Do you?


I HAVE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES BEFORE I DO NOT SUPPORT BRITISH NATIONALISM.

SNP AND BNP ARE ALL THE SAME TO ME.

PLEASE DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF THIS AGAIN. !


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post 9th Jan 2014, 05:26pm
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QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2014, 01:37pm) *
Ten years is the time scale I have heard mentioned.


You know this ?


No i have never heard it before, why would it take 10 years?
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post 9th Jan 2014, 05:32pm
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Thats a bit of a stretch saying the BNP and the SNP in the same sentence.


Anyway i take it you were against Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Belarus etc etc breaking away from the USSR. The toppling down of the iron curtain was just disgusting politics of Nationalism and the campaigners for East Timorese independence were little more than petty racists... Damn i'd hate to think what you say of that Gandhi one wink.gif


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post 9th Jan 2014, 05:40pm
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QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2014, 03:33pm) *
I HAVE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES BEFORE I DO NOT SUPPORT BRITISH NATIONALISM.

SNP AND BNP ARE ALL THE SAME TO ME.

PLEASE DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF THIS AGAIN. !


I assume this is a flimsy attempt by you to associate the SNP with right wing Nazi style politics, you really have gone too far this time you pathetic little man, we all have relations who fought against fascism so you and your ilk can have freedom of speech to come out with filth like this, how dare you accuse people who want to see Scotland take her rightful place beside other independent nations of being Nazis, and you claim to support a Labour party who is further to the right than most Tory governments.

Unless you have no shame at all i suggest that you apologies to the decent GG members who will be voting YES for your outrageous slur.
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post 9th Jan 2014, 06:17pm
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QUOTE (Ruchazie Rat @ 9th Jan 2014, 02:58pm) *
.. and the priviledge of being a global nuclear target by having US nukes dumped on us by our Engerlish Masters. The usual win-win scenario for them. And we pick up the tab though, in this instance, something which would`ve cost us far more than mere money, had the worst come to the worst.

How come no-one ever brings that up, hmmmm?


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post 9th Jan 2014, 06:32pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Jan 2014, 05:57pm) *
I assume this is a flimsy attempt by you to associate the SNP with right wing Nazi style politics, you really have gone too far this time you pathetic little man, we all have relations who fought against fascism so you and your ilk can have freedom of speech to come out with filth like this, how dare you accuse people who want to see Scotland take her rightful place beside other independent nations of being Nazis, and you claim to support a Labour party who is further to the right than most Tory governments.

Unless you have no shame at all i suggest that you apologies to the decent GG members who will be voting YES for your outrageous slur.


You started this by accusing me of being BNP, not for the first time.

Two way street .!

I rejoined this debate as you appeared to have mellowed in your treatment of opposition.

You have reverted to type with your Bully Boy tactics and personal insults.

Again you believe that everyone on here is your friend and will support you, their self appointed leader.

Not true.


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QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2014, 06:49pm) *
You started this by accusing me to being BNP, not for the first time.

Two way street .!

I rejoined this debate as you appeared to have mellowed in your treatment of opposition.

You have reverted to type with your Bully Boy tactics and personal insults.

Again you believe that everyone on here is your friend and will support you, their self appointed leader.

Not true.


Liar.

You show me where i accused you of "being BNP", as for bully boy tactics it is you who is trying to associate the SNP and their supporters to right wing Fascism.

One way street.!

Where do you get this idea that i think everyone is my friend? and your self appointed leader rant would stretch the skills of Prof Von Tee Hee Hee.
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post 9th Jan 2014, 07:09pm
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"You don't seem to find the politics of British Nationalism abhorrent."


Scottish Nationalism = SNP

British Nationalism = BNP ?

You have Bullied everyone from this Thread and have been advised by other than me.

Well you can not Bully me , I will leave to deny you oxygen for your hate filled rants.

Second time today I have been called a Liar by SNP supporter.

Must be doing something right. !


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post 9th Jan 2014, 07:22pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Jan 2014, 05:57pm)

I assume this is a flimsy attempt by you to associate the SNP with right wing Nazi style politics, you really have gone too far this time you pathetic little man, we all have relations who fought against fascism so you and your ilk can have freedom of speech to come out with filth like this, how dare you accuse people who want to see Scotland take her rightful place beside other independent nations of being Nazis, and you claim to support a Labour party who is further to the right than most Tory governments.

Unless you have no shame at all i suggest that you apologies to the decent GG members who will be voting YES for your outrageous slur.


Och , never mind Dylan , it's par for the course on this thread , backed up against a wall , they revert to personal insults .
It's just that I would like to hope , the mentality of some on this thread is not that of the voters in this referendum . because they would surely lose if they only want voters , "yes or no " ie 6'2'' plus" .


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