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> Scottish Independence, About voting yes/no
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carmella
post 12th Dec 2019, 06:31pm
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There exists in Scotland a small group of Ultra Unionists who were originally the foundation of the group – Scotland in Union

This group was highlighted in a leaked Email which provided contact details for a few people and a message from their erstwhile leader telling them to keep their plans very strangely secretive.

You see, these ultra unionists have a plan – this plan has been going on for a year or so thus far and it is this – They take it in turns to Blitz every single newspaper every week with dozens of letters about their opinions on just how TERRIBLE life in Scotland is under the dreadful SNP.

And these people are being published in many of the mainstream newspaper letters pages very successfully…The Editors seeing the same names popping up all the time are patently complicit in this.

On twitter that one chap – Keith Howell of Peeblesshire had around 20 “Letters of the Day” published – some gaining 50 from the likes of Barrhead Travel.



https://caltonjock.com/2019/12/11/scotland-...pace-with-them/


Yes and I have seen it. One thing I will say about Nicola Sturgeon is that she is an excellent campaigner for what she believes in. I actually think she is head and heels better than all of the other leaders!😩


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post 12th Dec 2019, 06:59pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 12th Dec 2019, 06:31pm) *
Yes and I have seen it. One thing I will say about Nicola Sturgeon is that she is an excellent campaigner for what she believes in. I actually think she is head and heels better than all of the other leaders!😩


I can't believe i'm saying this twice in the same day but yet again i'm in complete agreement with you Carmella. ohmy.gif
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post 12th Dec 2019, 09:19pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Dec 2019, 06:59pm) *
I can't believe i'm saying this twice in the same day but yet again i'm in complete agreement with you Carmella. ohmy.gif

TWICE indeed, well you need to make a rare visit to GP and ask for Carmelladrenalin! Best treatment for shock and works fast, living in Scotland tae’n’ awe, means it’s free👍👍👍😜😜


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post 13th Dec 2019, 12:04pm
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I am concerned that as the proposed merger between Labour and the SNP to form a government, has been scuppered, the UK is going to be thrown into turmoil.

My fear is that the SNP is going to go down the same path as the Catalonian politicians. Rather than let the UK get on with leaving the EU in an orderly fashion, before starting the process of an orderly Independence referendum, the SNP is going to be disruptive.

I hope I am wrong.

Surely they SNP has to inform the Scottish people, what currency we will be using, what arrangements will be made regarding our armed forces. Will the Scottish Government be responsible for continuing the payment of State pensions? Or will it be the UK government continues with the payment of pensions, but freezes the amount paid to Scottish pensioners at the level the pension was at Independence Day? The Scottish Government would then top up the difference.

Then there is the big question of the border controls. So if we apply for EU membership, that becomes a big big issue.

Perhaps when the Scottish electorate is faced with the reality of what EU membership brings when you border a non EU member country, the prospect of EU membership will not be appealing.

The SNP seems to be putting much emphasis on Scotland being a member state of the EU. If Scotland becomes an independent country, isn’t it ironic, the driving force behind this achievement, finds it needs to be in the EU? I think the dictionary should redefine ‘Independence’.

Danny


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post 13th Dec 2019, 02:48pm
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 13th Dec 2019, 12:04pm) *
Surely they SNP has to inform the Scottish people, what currency we will be using, what arrangements will be made regarding our armed forces. Will the Scottish Government be responsible for continuing the payment of State pensions? Or will it be the UK government continues with the payment of pensions

If Scotland becomes an independent country, isn’t it ironic, the driving force behind this achievement, finds it needs to be in the EU? I think the dictionary should redefine ‘Independence’.

Danny


Wow, it didn't take you long to get over the Westminster GE Danny, while us younger ones take a moment to catch our breaths you're off on the Indyref2 trail.

You voted YES in 2014, so you either knew the answers to these questions or you didn't care, so what was it?

I'd love to hear you telling the Germans, French, Italians, Swedes etc that their countries aren't independent. laugh.gif
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post 13th Dec 2019, 03:29pm
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DannyH An answer to your concerns.


Establishing an Independent Scotland

Whitehall mandarins, Unionist politicians and their Luddite supporters will tell you it will be a long and torturous process over many years and it must be this way because the relationship Scotland has with the rest of the UK is too complex to untangle in a shorter period.

But if Czechoslovakia could be split up in six months in 1992, why should the process of establishing an independent Scotland be such a hardship?


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post 14th Dec 2019, 09:55am
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I don't know about Czechoslovakia, but perhaps there were clear dividing lines, less integration and with possibly less at stake then deals were easier to strike.

An equally important and far from answered question (though you wouldn't think so) is how closely integrated to the EU does Sturgeon want Scotland to be and how long after the process of leaving the UK will it take for Scotland to rejoin the EU?

Looks like at least 10 years before those questions can be answered. If I'm still taking an interest by then, I'd want Scotland to be a full member of the EU, but that's not as straight forward as some would have us believe. Plus, as part of the EU would an independent Scotland get a better trade deal with the UK (our closest and biggest partner) ?

Who knows.


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post 14th Dec 2019, 10:42am
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The only Luddites are the SNP ,its they who want to smash the Union.
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post 14th Dec 2019, 11:50am
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QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 14th Dec 2019, 11:42am) *
The only Luddites are the SNP ,its they who want to smash the Union.


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post 14th Dec 2019, 12:14pm
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QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 14th Dec 2019, 10:42am) *
The only Luddites are the SNP ,its they who want to smash the Union.


Say's the Luddite who smashed the EU.

You really should think before you post DJ. laugh.gif
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post 14th Dec 2019, 03:40pm
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Maybe you try that,most of your posts are puerile attempts at humour.
p.s. we are still in the EU and you are still a citizen of the UK for at least
another couple of years.
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post 14th Dec 2019, 04:49pm
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QUOTE (caltonjock @ 13th Dec 2019, 03:29pm) *
DannyH An answer to your concerns.


Establishing an Independent Scotland

Whitehall mandarins, Unionist politicians and their Luddite supporters will tell you it will be a long and torturous process over many years and it must be this way because the relationship Scotland has with the rest of the UK is too complex to untangle in a shorter period.

But if Czechoslovakia could be split up in six months in 1992, why should the process of establishing an independent Scotland be such a hardship?


https://caltonjock.com/2019/12/09/scottish-...d-be-well-able/

Hello Carltonjock.

I am trying hard not to be disrespectful towards you, but see this message you have posted in the first paragraph? Well this is one of the reasons that Labour got gubbed. The people in the North of England didn’t swallow the propaganda similar to what you have just posted. They voted on their own personal experiences. Just because some so called informed people keep spouting, doesn’t mean the public is swallowing it.

Your reference to Czechoslovakia is selective and a bad choice. It was one of the reasons that World War 2 started. The UK government and other European governments tried to appease Hitler by using Czechoslovakia as a bargaining chip to avoid war, but it back fired on them

Many Czechoslovakian citizens lined the streets to welcome the German troops. I saw this at a children’s Saturday afternoon matinee.

Then there was the break up of Yugoslavia. Remember Bosnia?

I am not arguing against another Independence referendum. It is the timing.
You cannot deal with two issues, Independence and departure from the EU simultaneously.

In my opinion, we get the severance from the EU dealt with first. Once we are out of the EU, then the issue of Independence can be addressed. As far as I am concerned, Nicola Sturgeon wants to disrupt the UK’s departure from the EU.

Danny
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post 14th Dec 2019, 08:22pm
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QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 14th Dec 2019, 03:40pm) *
Maybe you try that,most of your posts are puerile attempts at humour.
p.s. we are still in the EU and you are still a citizen of the UK for at least
another couple of years.


You should try humour DJ, so you admit we're still part of the UK, so you'll be a Luddite before we are? laugh.gif
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post 14th Dec 2019, 08:25pm
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 14th Dec 2019, 04:49pm) *
Hello Carltonjock.

" I am trying hard not to be disrespectful towards you"

Danny


It never stopped you replying to me Danny. wink.gif
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post 14th Dec 2019, 09:16pm
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NIcola Sturgeon in 2014

"My pledge today to every citizen of our country is simple but it is heartfelt.

I will be First Minister for all of Scotland.

Regardless of your politics or your point of view, my job is to serve you."




fast forward to 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4kaxRJYqU
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