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> Glasgow: Worst Schools In Britain?, City bottom of UK qualifications league
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post 18th Sep 2011, 05:35pm
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It doesn't have to cost a penny davy, we can all give to others on a volunteer basis. biggrin.gif
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post 18th Sep 2011, 05:46pm
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My education in Glasgow started with a succession of happy wee schools, starting with St Margaret's in Kinning Park, through to my 'qualy' class in a wee school in Pollok, taught by a series of lovely women, the flowers of Scottish spinsterhood (teachers all seemed to be spinsters in those days) dedicated to their vocation, who are in my affections forever. Miss Mossop, Miss Summers, Miss McGuinness, Miss Broderick, Miss Kennedy, Miss Livingston, Miss Duffy (I loved her best), and Miss Lynn. For all she was tall, and could seem forbidding, Miss Lynn was as dedicated and good a teacher as you could wish for, and thinking of her takes me back fifty whole years to her class, Primary VII-2, where we were taught the old Scottish songs of love and patriotic fervour, she sitting at the classroom piano (aye, the days when every classroom had a piano and music lessons), pounding out the opening bars of the measured slow march, and the glorious sound of forty-four bairns giein' it laldy.

#Scots wha hae wi' Wallace bled
#Scots wham Bruce hath aften led
#Welcome tae your gory bed
#Or tae victor-ee!

As verse after verse came, and the slow march crescendo became louder and louder at the piano, those of us stirred most with the sound would begin to pound our hammer fists on the desk like anvil blows, our feet shod in untied shoes tramping out the beat of the march on the floor beneath us.

#Noo's the day and noo's the hour!
#See the front o' battle lour!
#See approach Proud Edward's pow'r
#Chains and slaveree!

By the time we had reached

#Wha for Scotland's King and Law
#Freedom's sword will strongly draw
#Freeman stand or freeman fa'
#Let him follow me!

we were an army on the march, our banners fluttering high in the breeze as we marched on Bannockburn, claymores drawn and the slogan in our throats -

#Lay the proud usurpers low!
#Tyrants fall in ev'ry foe!
#Liberty's in ev'ry blow!
#Let us do, or dee!

Then Miss Lynn, tall, stern, lank, and foreboding, would turn to the class, and I swear to God, that forbidding face had the merest hint of a trace of a shadow of a smile twinkle across it.

Miss Lynn is long gone, and so too is that wee school, but across the decades, I hear it yet, and when I do, the bristles rise on the nape of my neck, the heart beats faster, and the pulse races at the remembered sounds and the massed choral fervour of Primary VII-2. Magnificent stuff. I wouldn't trade it for a sporranful of Jerusalems.


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post 18th Sep 2011, 06:14pm
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QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 17th Sep 2011, 08:52am) *
John must be really thick if he doesn't realise he is being punished for doing something he is not suposed to do.
First thing anybody learns at school is to follow the rules, big No No when I was at school
NO FIGHTING!!! or you will suffer the consequence.

Perhaps in todays namby pamby society kids are encouraged to be lawyers instead of law abiding citizens who learn to live with one another.

John is not thick.

He is a child

He is only 7.

If you want to hit children I can not stop you, unless I was present.

However do not hit john. !!


As a matter if interest at what age do we stop hitting School Pupils boys / girls

Age 16 ? By that age a girl could be a wife. !

Does that change things ?


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post 18th Sep 2011, 07:10pm
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Lass, I remember when in Primary School those of us who finished our sums first, were told to sit with the one's who were bit slower and help them.

The same thing happened at home. Our mum would tell the older one's to help the younger one's with their homework.


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post 18th Sep 2011, 07:39pm
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Heather I remember that and out here its called the buddy system, I think its a big help tho I still feel that an extra adult in class rooms would be a big plus. With so much unemployment in Glasgow maybe helping out in schools should become mandatory or else no benefits.
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post 18th Sep 2011, 07:48pm
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Lass, any who did volunteer to help in Schools would have to be vetted first.
They would also have to be tested to see if they were capable of of helping out with the three Rs. Reading, writing & arithmetic.


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post 18th Sep 2011, 09:43pm
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Its the same here Heather back ground checks are done on everyone who works with children, but in hospitals for some reason there is no security checks done on volunteers. For hospital work its more of a medical ckeck e.g Tb testing with x-ray and a few booster shots paid for by the volunteer.
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post 18th Sep 2011, 09:45pm
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Forgot to mention Heather that there is no academic check done on school volunteers.
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post 18th Sep 2011, 11:06pm
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Heather I also meant to say that in one of the major hospitals we have seven hundred volunteers. biggrin.gif
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post 18th Sep 2011, 11:19pm
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QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 18th Sep 2011, 06:32pm) *
My education in Glasgow started with a succession of happy wee schools, starting with St Margaret's in Kinning Park ...

Thanks Alex, a wonderful reminiscence, and conveyed so evocatively; I can almost hear the rythmic thud of worn leather on the wooden floors! smile.gif

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post 18th Sep 2011, 11:53pm
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Then Miss Lynn, tall, stern, lank, and foreboding, would turn to the class, and I swear to God, that forbidding face had the merest hint of a trace of a shadow of a smile twinkle across it.

Miss Lynn is long gone, and so too is that wee school, but across the decades, I hear it yet, and when I do, the bristles rise on the nape of my neck, the heart beats faster, and the pulse races at the remembered sounds and the massed choral fervour of Primary VII-2. Magnificent stuff. I wouldn't trade it for a sporranful of Jerusalems.

I'm now thinking MacPhee that , that was part of the brainwashing we all went through . However I loved every moment of my schooldays , got the strap once , but never again . there are rules , regulations and laws to be obeyed by everyone in order that our society can function reasonably well and this should begin in the homes and in our schools . ...how to fix it , ...I don't know , but children must be taught that they have to pay for their actions . and so far nothing seems to be working.


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post 19th Sep 2011, 04:45am
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This is not an issue about discipline. The issue at hand is one of educational attainment or the lack of it in comparison to the rest of the country. If this drops then questions need to be asked of the Council and education department. That's the pertinent issue at hand.
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post 19th Sep 2011, 07:20am
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I think you are correct, Tam. The plain and simple fact is that Glasgow's schools are not performing to an acceptable standard; they are not, to use the politician's jargon, fit-for-purpose. As an indicator of this, take the figures from last year, as published by The Herald, which show that there was not a single Glasgow council school in Scotland's top 50 best performing schools. In the same year, the city had ten of its schools in the bottom 27 performing schools.

Lack of an adequate education standard is the single biggest driver of sustained poverty and deprivation in the city, yet it is generally perceived to be acceptable by those with the power to facilitate change.

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post 19th Sep 2011, 07:30am
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QUOTE (eidas @ 18th Sep 2011, 09:50am) *
Inappropriate comment in this forum. Regardless of which political party has been in power for whatever number of years, in my opinion, would have made no difference to the situation. As I see it, discipline is the answer and this goes back a few generations, if parents and teachers did not experience discipline, how can they pass it on to their children and students? Perhaps a campaign across all forms of media with a slogan such as 'Please and Thank You' would be a good place to start.

Thanks your reply, eidas. As we have not had an alternative political party to Labour running Glasgow's schools, you could be right in saying that any other party may not have performed better in addressing the apparently intractable educational problems in the city.

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post 19th Sep 2011, 08:03am
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QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 18th Sep 2011, 07:32pm) *
My education in Glasgow started with a succession of happy wee schools ...

Alex
I get the impression you where transported back 50 years.
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