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Posted by: enrique 20th Apr 2017, 11:03am

Having been a trade unionist for much of my life I voted for Labour , but as of a few years ago I changed to S N P, now in my 70s , I find at this election im stumped , I cant vote Labour while they have a no hoper in a leader Corbin, and now I cant vote for S N P , as their leader quite obviously does not agree with democracy
, as she wont agree with the voice of the people after the vote , I voted for independence and also
voted to stay in the E U, but the country voted both times for the opposite, but you have to go with the result even if it is not what you want, we are supposed to be the fathers of a democratic system that is envied throughout the world, but we now have leaders who spit the dummy out if its not what they want, I don't think I can vote Tory, so it might be an abstainer

Posted by: bilbo.s 20th Apr 2017, 11:22am

Enrique, I mean no offence, but your idea of democracy is not mine. The crucial thing is that the much-bandied "will of the people" is not written in stone. The people are very fickle and their opinions in a constant state of flux. Get out there and vote for what you believe is right for Scotland. You have a choice of making a difference, which is more than can be said for the poor English.

Posted by: Dykejumper 20th Apr 2017, 11:37am

bilbo has obviously noticed that the SNP now talk about the will of the Scottish Parliament rather than the will of the Scottish people.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 20th Apr 2017, 11:45am

QUOTE (enrique @ 20th Apr 2017, 12:03pm) *
cant vote for S N P , as their leader quite obviously does not agree with democracy


The SNP were voted in by almost 50% of the electorate with the promise of holding a second referendum if there was any fundamental changes against will of the people of Scotland, 62% of those who voted in the EU referendum wished to stay in EU but we are to be taken out against our wishes.

Our larger partner makes all the major decisions for us in this so called equal union, will your abstaining improve Scotland?

Posted by: bilbo.s 20th Apr 2017, 12:26pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 20th Apr 2017, 01:37pm) *
bilbo has obviously noticed that the SNP now talk about the will of the Scottish Parliament rather than the will of the Scottish people.



Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, but- Hey, what's new? wacko.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 20th Apr 2017, 08:12pm

QUOTE (enrique @ 20th Apr 2017, 11:03am) *
Having been a trade unionist for much of my life I voted for Labour , but as of a few years ago I changed to S N P, now in my 70s , I find at this election im stumped , I cant vote Labour while they have a no hoper in a leader Corbin, and now I cant vote for S N P , as their leader quite obviously does not agree with democracy
, as she wont agree with the voice of the people after the vote , I voted for independence and also
voted to stay in the E U, but the country voted both times for the opposite, but you have to go with the result even if it is not what you want, we are supposed to be the fathers of a democratic system that is envied throughout the world, but we now have leaders who spit the dummy out if its not what they want, I don't think I can vote Tory, so it might be an abstainer


You're not alone Enrique, I will vote though even if its some party I've never heard of, simply so that its registered as a vote and it counts. If you do not vote then they'll keep doing what they do, this is why crappy Councillors got away with it for years, people just stopped voting and they just won on lower turnouts.


QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 20th Apr 2017, 11:22am) *
Enrique, I mean no offence, but your idea of democracy is not mine. The crucial thing is that the much-bandied "will of the people" is not written in stone. The people are very fickle and their opinions in a constant state of flux. Get out there and vote for what you believe is right for Scotland. You have a choice of making a difference, which is more than can be said for the poor English.


Your kind of democracy is one where you agree with the outcome. If Scotland voted YES would you be all for another vote to overrule the first

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 20th Apr 2017, 11:45am) *
The SNP were voted in by almost 50% of the electorate with the promise of holding a second referendum if there was any fundamental changes against will of the people of Scotland, 62% of those who voted in the EU referendum wished to stay in EU but we are to be taken out against our wishes.

Our larger partner makes all the major decisions for us in this so called equal union, will your abstaining improve Scotland?



You keep saying this but its bollocks and you know it. There was no promise in the manifesto, what it did say was
We believe that the Scottish
Parliament should have the right to
hold another referendum if there
is clear and sustained evidence
that independence has become the
preferred option of a majority of
the Scottish people – or if there is
a significant and material change in
the circumstances that prevailed in
2014, such as Scotland being taken
out of the EU against our will.

So less than 50% on a low turnout voted for them...no mandate
They believe they should have the right, well they dont and they dont get to include bolt on clauses as an afterthought for laws they dont have.
For them, and you to somehow now use the votes of Unionists and NO voters to scweam and scweam to get what you want is pretty pathetic. Ruth Davidson voted remain FFS and does not want the SNP to use her vote to remain as an excuse to drag up another referendum.
Last year 39,345 voters in my area voted to remain, 41,690 voted NO in 2014. in 2015 23,013 people voted for the SNP, are you that bloody blinkered that you say that those numbers are somehow close and that Conservative NO voters who voted remain are going to about turn and either vote SNP or want another referendum, do you somehow think the same for NO voters around Scotland?
What you and wee Nic have totally missed is that those who voted NO and Remain do not like instability, there is no chance they will want another ref or vote for INDY on the back of Brexit.. This mad crusade by wee nic is just losing support.

Lets see her put another referendum right there in the manifesto, forget trying to pull the wool over Remain voters eyes, make about Indy znd if she gets her +50% then no one can stand in her way.

Posted by: bilbo.s 20th Apr 2017, 10:03pm

John McNutter said, "Your kind of democracy is one where you agree with the outcome. If Scotland voted YES would you be all for another vote to overrule the first"

What an idiotic question ( even though it does lack a question mark!) Losing the place, John. Not surprising with the twists of your mind. yes.gif

You will finish up your own nostril or some other orifice. laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Apr 2017, 06:56pm



Ahh the Bilbo the tax evader pips up. I left the question mark off because it was rhetorical as I knew you wouldn't answer .
That you felt the desire to reply and still not answer what you thought was a question is quite laughable..
You do only like democracy when it goes your way, you think it's perfectly fine to keep asking the question until you get to the 'right answer', is it any wonder you're so in love with the EU.

Posted by: bilbo.s 21st Apr 2017, 09:54pm

You really have flipped, you poor eejit! Now I am a tax evader? As that is a crime, why don't you report me. Alternatively, I dare you to give me your real name and I could sue for libel.
You missed off the ? because it was a rhetorical question? Gie us all a break! As you say, it was a rhetorical question and therefore does not require an answer, although the answer is obvious to anyone. Why on earth would anyone demand a recount of a vote with which he agreed?

Awa'n bile yer heid. Oh, done that, got the t-shirt, have you? wacko.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Apr 2017, 10:55pm



My my, can a user name be sued for libel..LOL is bilbo.s a registered name then laugh.gif
You moved to Spain thus you do not pay tax here yet still benefit from free health care paid for by the UK.

Dun dun dun, and there we have the proof, Bilbo only thinks 'people are very fickle and their opinions in a constant state of flux' and in need of another vote when he agrees with the outcome. Unlike you I respect with the outcomes of elections and referendums even if I do not like how it went

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Apr 2017, 07:38am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Apr 2017, 12:55am) *
My my, can a user name be sued for libel..LOL is bilbo.s a registered name then laugh.gif
You moved to Spain thus you do not pay tax here yet still benefit from free health care paid for by the UK.

Dun dun dun, and there we have the proof, Bilbo only thinks 'people are very fickle and their opinions in a constant state of flux' and in need of another vote when he agrees with the outcome. Unlike you I respect with the outcomes of elections and referendums even if I do not like how it went



Just as well you have a user name when you make cowardly libellous statements. On the other hand, my real name is easily found on this board, and so go ahead and report my tax evasion to HMRC.

You have no idea whether or not I still pay any UK tax, but that is irrelevant as I am a UK pensioner and contributed as most did to the NIS for all our working lives. In any case I am not guilty of the crime of tax evasion nor even tax avoidance. Perhaps you confuse me with some of your Tory pals or your hero Trump.

Your arrogance is leading you to make errors now, as proven by your second paragraph. It has been the downfall of many.

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Apr 2017, 09:24am



Mr Lawyer, Mr Lawyer a big bad man I've been calling names and one of the many I have been abusing over the past several months has retaliated and called my internet pseudonym a name back.... Is there any way I can shut him up by threatening him by trying to say he was libeling my real world name that he doesn't know, hasn't seen and probably couldn't give a crap about by saying I have posted my details somewhere in the 10,000 odd posts.
So anyway bilbo, how many members here have you slandered, abused and even threatened over the years, can you not take it back you sad little bully.

I know that residents of Spain pay tax on their worldwide income as someone I vaguely knew(brothers pal) years ago relocated there to save tax, how much they saved I dont know but it was enough to up sticks and move.
Two people I personally know moved abroad to work and when they came back they were informed by our 'free' NHS that they would have to pay for treatment despite all those years of paying NI. I guess the rules are that if you move and dont pay yer dues then you dont get the benefits of membership...Sure thats been said before by some EUrophile laugh.gif

My second paragraph is basically what you have posted. Referendum results are the "will of the people" but are "not written in stone. The people are very fickle and their opinions in a constant state of flux." You want to ignore the democratic result and have another vote because you disagree with the outcome, if Scotland voted YES then you take the complete opposite stance, the will of the people in that case would be set in stone.

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Apr 2017, 01:20pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Hilarious! A little learning is a dangerous thing, and a miniscule one extremely so. I must return to my previous position of ignoring your posts, as it is evident to anyone sensible that you are unhinged. Rave on. I have better things to do than listen to your rants. Byeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: john.mcn 23rd Apr 2017, 11:00am

Seeing as you learn nothing that makes you what, a sad little pathetic pensioner sitting in the sun bitching that most people disagree with you? laugh.gif

Ignore away, I guess having someone point out your complete inability to understand the website you link to and your own posts is too much for your wee bullying self..
You are the one who wont accept the democratic decision made by the voting public by claiming it is not your idea of democracy yet you dont have a problem with the same system if Scotland voted yes, now that is hilarious!!!

PS you read my replies, it is you who rants tongue.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 9th May 2017, 10:34pm

No-one to vote for... especially if you're a Green supporter. laugh.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39855884

This polarising pro-Indy pact is dumbing down Politics.

Posted by: john.mcn 9th May 2017, 11:23pm

Should be the Greens new logo, recyclable of cource wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th May 2017, 06:35pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 9th May 2017, 11:34pm) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39855884

This polarising pro-Indy pact is dumbing down Politics.


But you don't mind a Pro Union pact?

http://www.thenational.scot/news/15236862.Ian_Murray_backs_tactical_voting_for_Tories_to_keep_SNP_out/

Maybe John.mcm will buy you a pint of Watney's Red Tory light.

Don't like it myself, too gassy, loses its head to quickly and soon goes stale. laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 10th May 2017, 07:26pm

I dont think anyone likes the polarisation of Scottish politics based on Indy. Funny thing about t all though is that for a Year its all we hear from the SNP then when an election leaflet from them is on your doormat theres not one mention of it. For a party that claims to speak for the people and is so insistent that it has our backing why are they now scared to mention it.
Ohh no doubt they'll get most MP's but if there was such a Pro Union pact then I believe the SNP would be hammered across most of the country.

East Renfrewshire will be interesting, its a previous Tory seat held by Jim Murphy for 18 years, Better Togethers Blair McDougall is standing for Labour here which was one of the highest NO votes in Scotland, if he splits the Tory vote then the SNP may sneak back in. I dont think anyone was surprised as them that they won last time.

Posted by: bilbo.s 10th May 2017, 10:25pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 10th May 2017, 09:26pm) *
I dont think anyone likes the polarisation of Scottish politics based on Indy. Funny thing about t all though is that for a Year its all we hear from the SNP then when an election leaflet from them is on your doormat theres not one mention of it. For a party that claims to speak for the people and is so insistent that it has our backing why are they now scared to mention it.
Ohh no doubt they'll get most MP's but if there was such a Pro Union pact then I believe the SNP would be hammered across most of the country.

East Renfrewshire will be interesting, its a previous Tory seat held by Jim Murphy for 18 years, Better Togethers Blair McDougall is standing for Labour here which was one of the highest NO votes in Scotland, if he splits the Tory vote then the SNP may sneak back in. I dont think anyone was surprised as them that they won last time.





https://youtu.be/VuHFQ7KZOKA

Posted by: Kemedian 10th May 2017, 11:32pm

Harvie and Chapman have truly selt the jerseys now. yes.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39873325

But 2 years ago...


If the Tories push the SNP hard enough they might just kill-off the Scottish Greens entirely.

Yet he would if he could change SNP policy.


Democracy, eh?

Posted by: john.mcn 11th May 2017, 12:03am


He kinda loses his passion when he has to look down at a speech.
Whatever happened to the SNP only voting on Scottish issues in Westminster, Heathrow should be an England only issue.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th May 2017, 01:26am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 10th May 2017, 08:26pm) *
Funny thing about t all though is that for a Year its all we hear from the SNP then when an election leaflet from them is on your doormat theres not one mention of it.


Day job John, day job. yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 11th May 2017, 04:30am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 11th May 2017, 01:03am) *
Whatever happened to the SNP only voting on Scottish issues in Westminster, Heathrow should be an England only issue.

A devastating landslide, following this promise... eyebrow.gif

QUOTE (Sturgeon)
The SNP will use our influence at Westminster to help deliver positive change for the benefit of ordinary people, not just in Scotland, but across the UK.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://votesnp.com/docs/manifesto.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiFg9eH_ObTAhWIJ1AKHcm2D184ChAWCC8wBg&usg=AFQjCNFCDqlTX89jQ90g-oSEUy7CVvB37Q&sig2=FRSUYPZLIFVORu7I_17zaw

Posted by: john.mcn 11th May 2017, 06:58pm



As long as the benefit of ordinary people in the rUK does not include free University though.

Posted by: john.mcn 11th May 2017, 07:22pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 11th May 2017, 01:26am) *
Day job John, day job. yes.gif



Well the thing is Jagz without the usual Indy bit the leaflet was a tad empty so I'm starting to think they're on a job share... Which come to think of it is something I thought that our politicians should do. Prior to the devolved parliaments we had an MP who did all our MP-ing stuff, now we have MSPs who do a lot of the stuff MPs used to do but we still have MPs doing a lot less 'work' but still drawing a full wage with expensive accounts, offices and staff.

Posted by: bilbo.s 11th May 2017, 09:30pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 11th May 2017, 09:22pm) *
Well the thing is Jagz without the usual Indy bit the leaflet was a tad empty so I'm starting to think they're on a job share... Which come to think of it is something I thought that our politicians should do. Prior to the devolved parliaments we had an MP who did all our MP-ing stuff, now we have MSPs who do a lot of the stuff MPs used to do but we still have MPs doing a lot less 'work' but still drawing a full wage with expensive accounts, offices and staff.



Glad to see you are coming around (again) to the idea of independence. We certainly do not need MPs in Westminster, especially as they are always a huge minority. Time for Scotland to dispense with their cost, not forgetting our shared cost of the other MPs and Lords there.

Posted by: john.mcn 12th May 2017, 12:04am



I never stopped believing in Indy but I accept the the result of the referendum as the will of the people and that it would be financial suicide to do so while tax returns from oil will be in the negative. As old fields close and new ones open then as an accountant you should know that any costs incurred can be offset against taxes due. The 'cash cow' the SNP so badly needs to pay for their wish list wont be producing milk for quite some time. That leaves us, the public, to pick up the tab for not only the break up but the costs in creating new departments to replace ones handled UK wide.
There also the big issue of the SNP's policy of EU membership whether we like it or not, they voted against the EU referendum so they are not be trusted if there's promises to hold another if Scotland becomes Independent.
Wee Nic in her drive to satisfy the 10,000's of impatient new SNP members is alienating those who want it when the time is right and not hitching on the Brexit ride.

Now all that aside I am not an Indy at all costs guy, if the UK changes to a federal type system and people feel represented then I would be content if there wasn't another one in my lifetime.

Posted by: Kemedian 14th May 2017, 08:12pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39914195

So the Scottish Greens are in bad shape, or is this what it looks like: the Party in power influencing the election and the resulting affect on the Political landscape of its interminable fight for Independence.

Answers on a polling card.

In my opinion, on another bad day for Democracy in Scotland this development is the most serious evidence yet of Mr Harvie transforming his desperate Party into a subsidiary branch of the SNP, in a patently obvious case of Power before Principle.

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th May 2017, 09:31pm

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 14th May 2017, 10:59pm

Coalescing the Indy vote and Indy Parties will only perpetuate the referendum cycle. The Union vote is split, and proud to be so I would suggest. However, in a binary vote this doesn't matter.

The recent local elections demonstrated for anyone still in doubt that a win for the SNP (even including the Green vote) doesn't equate to Independence - it's a failed policy that's failing our country.


Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th May 2017, 12:58pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 14th May 2017, 11:59pm) *
it's a failed policy that's failing our country.


Sums up the union well. thumbup.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 22nd May 2017, 05:27pm

These cybernats terrify me and this now includes SNP Politicians, as if we didn't know.

To quote their Party Leader: "Shame on them!!"

QUOTE
Tartan Toryism, it seems, is alive and well.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/05/22/smears-against-snp-critic-show-it-s-not-just-fringe-elements

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd May 2017, 06:00pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 22nd May 2017, 06:27pm) *
These cybernats terrify me and this now includes SNP Politicians, as if we didn't know.

To quote their Party Leader: "Shame on them!!"


How do you know they were "cybernats"?

A lot of this woman's colleagues were outraged that she was caught out lying and bringing their profession into into disrepute.

Did your political periodical run a story on Nicola Sturgeon at the weekend when the police announced they would be increasing her security including replacing her government driver with a police officer after an increase in death threats to her and not just from CyberBritnats either?

No......Well blow me sideways again.

Now your cybernats really terrify me. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd May 2017, 06:05pm

"Tartan Toryism, it seems, is alive and well"

Well according to Ruth and your lot on here they are on the rise and will be winning lots more seats at the Westminster election.

We'll know on the 9th June. unsure.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd May 2017, 06:33pm

How was she caught out lying? Have public servants (bar politicians) not had a fixed 1% wage increase for several years?

Why are SNP politicians sharing tweets about members of the public, we are well with our rights to hold public officials to account on TV or anywhere else. For them to join in a cyber lynching by sharing details to their followers is bloody disgusting and they should remember their place ..We are their bosses, not the other way around...Thats directed to all of them so put yer pitchforks down

Posted by: Kemedian 22nd May 2017, 07:59pm

I was entitled to a jibe, Jagz, as it is current news.

It is mind wacko.gif wacko.gif wacko.gif boggling why so many at the TOP of the SNP allowed themselves to be caught out sharing fake news about that NHS worker. It is a shocking insight into the dark side of the SNP social media machine.

By all means expose the cyber bullying by other Parties. But at least condemn it when it arises (if you can bring yourself to criticise one of your own).

I have remained on here over the years because there are no cybernuts, just honest guys and gals with something to say. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 22nd May 2017, 08:25pm

... and all coming just a day after the admirable https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39985405.

Crass.

Posted by: Kemedian 22nd May 2017, 09:00pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd May 2017, 07:00pm) *
she was caught out lying and bringing their profession into into disrepute

It wasn't the nurse whose behaviour forced her to later tweet a grovelling public apology.

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/866403766593081344

The Twitter replies shed further darkness on the divisions such Politics brings to public debate.

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd May 2017, 09:31pm

They would not listen, they're not listening still. Perhaps they never will. tongue.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 23rd May 2017, 07:49am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 22nd May 2017, 11:00pm) *
It wasn't the nurse whose behaviour forced her to later tweet a grovelling public apology.

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/866403766593081344

The Twitter replies shed further darkness on the divisions such Politics brings to public debate.



Indeed! We are still waiting for the nurse's apology, grovelling or not.

http://www.anyvoice.co.uk/health-education/karen-martin-nurse-response-nurse-cried-foodbank/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd May 2017, 09:38am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd May 2017, 07:33pm) *
How was she caught out lying?

Have public servants (bar politicians) not had a fixed 1% wage increase for several years?


The pay she says she's on does not tally with the amount of years she claims to have been a nurse for starters.

Yes you are correct, public servants have been getting 1% pay rises from the SG, unlike their counterparts in England who have been getting nothing.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd May 2017, 09:42am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 22nd May 2017, 08:59pm) *
I was entitled to a jibe, Jagz, as it is current news.


Current fake news.

I thought you would have been annoyed that a debate about the Westminster election was stage managed to be anything but a debate about the Westminster election.

Perhaps you were pleased that Ruth didn't have to answer any awkward questions. yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd May 2017, 10:31am

It doesn't even matter now that the Party has belatedly distanced itself from such viewpoints guys, Politics takes a back seat given events in Manchester.

Posted by: john.mcn 23rd May 2017, 07:58pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd May 2017, 09:38am) *
The pay she says she's on does not tally with the amount of years she claims to have been a nurse for starters.

Yes you are correct, public servants have been getting 1% pay rises from the SG, unlike their counterparts in England who have been getting nothing.


I take it you are aware of the pay structure of a nurse, yes they get yearly increments that do get capped, yes a band 7 earns a good wage (though a new band 7 gets less than a higher grade band 6) but thats if they are full time. Her band and length of service are irrelevant if she only works part time. Thats not to say I know her, her wage or her hours, but then neither do you. She may be on a wack, travel to New york, married to a tory councilor, own a hose and send her child to a private school, or she may not, I dont know, What I do know is that her message has been lost in all this and the cyberlynching of a nurse who demands answers to questions a lot of nurses want to hear. She was right on some of her points and even though a starting salary of 22k is a lot to some, some nurses will struggle to live and work the odd shifts that the job requires. A car is a necessity, unless you live close by expect to be out of the house 14 hours using public transport only to do it all the next day. Some nurses rely on the bank to get by, some only have the bank so dont even get regular hours.

Now it looks like a lot of this fury is because she put Wee Nic on the spot. I see cries of this isn't about devolved issues, well if there's one party who cant greet about mixing up reserved/devolved it's the SNP.
Now if it was Ruthie she put on the spot would the uproar be as bad?

Posted by: bilbo.s 23rd May 2017, 09:36pm

What a load of unadulterated excrement! It just gets worse and worse! laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 23rd May 2017, 10:36pm



Really, so are we to add NHS pay grade expert to your list of imaginary qualifications?

Posted by: bilbo.s 24th May 2017, 07:15am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 24th May 2017, 12:36am) *
Really, so are we to add NHS pay grade expert to your list of imaginary qualifications?



NHS pay grades are a matter of public record. Let's hear all your qualifications for all the guff you spew, which was , in any case, the subject of my last post, and not the specific matter of NHS pay.

Posted by: john.mcn 24th May 2017, 07:41pm

Ahh so when you referred to my post as 'What a load of unadulterated excrement! ', you were not referring to all of it, only some...

i wouldn't know if pay grades were published as i just asked a nurse what they were, did you check or just follow the pitchforks
As for the 'guff', no qualifications needed to form an opinion luckily, though i suspect you would much prefer us lowly working class types to shut up and let you private school academic types do the thinking for us.
My points about about newly qualified nurses are true though. If you live at one end of the city or further away and the hospital you worked at closed and you, and the patients where transferred to the new Queen Elizabeth hospital, how can you easily get there using public transport if you need to be in before 7 and might not leave until near, or after 8. As those times are not peak times buses might be 1/2 hour between journeys and if you need to get 2 or more buses to get home you would be out of the house for 14 hours , a car is a necessity imho for a nurse working 12 hour shifts but something a new nurse may not be able to afford . With the lightburn hospital in the east end closing and work shifted to Stobhill you add travel time and problems for staff and patients who live in the area, but dont take my word for it, take Paul Kavanaghs aka the wee ginger dug
http://www.thenational.scot/comment/15283795.Wee_Ginger_Dug__Denying_us_time_with_dying_loved_ones_is_cruellest_cut/

Strangely enough there's criticism there about hours and so on but no social media lynchmob trawling through their profile, cant be because she did it to Wee Nic surely

Ohh and BTW in your link the rev stu posted a comment about how to contact the nurse in that piece, would he do that if Ruth Davidson was put on the spot..I think not

Has the nurse got an agenda, most likely, did she lie about using a foodbank personally, probably, has she the right to question the first minister, dam right, was her other points outwith the alleged lies valid? yeah

Posted by: bilbo.s 24th May 2017, 09:50pm

What a load of irrelevant codswallop, mixed in with cringe-worthy Uriah Heep-ness ! You may as well blow bubbles. yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 24th May 2017, 10:37pm

The YESNP movement has mutated into something very nasty if this response to someone brave enough to challenge the boss is anything to go by. Should never ever happen, it turns Democracy on its head. blush4.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 24th May 2017, 11:07pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 24th May 2017, 09:50pm) *
What a load of irrelevant codswallop, mixed in with cringe-worthy Uriah Heep-ness ! You may as well blow bubbles. yes.gif



And yet you offer nothing, squat, nada, zilch but your usual condescending full of yourself superiority simply because you're here to troll, annoy and pee off those here in the hope that we stop posting and you finish off this site, the reason? well you got yer erse skelped for your continued abuse of members here and being a wee bully that just wont do.

Posted by: john.mcn 24th May 2017, 11:16pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 24th May 2017, 10:37pm) *
The YESNP movement has mutated into something very nasty if this response to someone brave enough to challenge the boss is anything to go by. Should never ever happen, it turns Democracy on its head. blush4.gif



As I said Kem, if this nurse directed her questions to Ruth Davidson there would hardly be a peep but when SNP officials are briefing the press about her and a supposed QC SNP politician are spreading lies through twitter its a cause of concern for a free and open democracy. I dont care what the womans life is, she just like any other voter has the right to question those politicians, or their 'leaders' who are standing for election...The reason for the cyberlynchng was for one reason, bury her questions by making her the story. Who now will ask awkward questions of Wee Nic for fear of the backlash.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th May 2017, 11:31pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 24th May 2017, 11:37pm) *
The YESNP movement has mutated into something very nasty



Do you honestly believe that Kem?

Just one or two examples then we can compare what your British nationalists are up to.

Posted by: bilbo.s 25th May 2017, 08:16am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 25th May 2017, 01:07am) *
And yet you offer nothing, squat, nada, zilch but your usual condescending full of yourself superiority simply because you're here to troll, annoy and pee off those here in the hope that we stop posting and you finish off this site, the reason? well you got yer erse skelped for your continued abuse of members here and being a wee bully that just wont do.


Hope that you stop posting? That's the first time I've been accused of optimism! Keep up the abuse. Oh no, you don't do abuse , do you? In the erse-skelped leagues, yours should be red-raw.
Your paranoia reaches new levels viz- I want the site closed down. Where would I go for entertainment such as you provide, to feed my sense of superiority?

Posted by: bilbo.s 25th May 2017, 08:19am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th May 2017, 12:37am) *
The YESNP movement has mutated into something very nasty if this response to someone brave enough to challenge the boss is anything to go by. Should never ever happen, it turns Democracy on its head. blush4.gif



You completely ignore the fact that this heroine of the people is a proven liar, and her question had nothing to do with the GE.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Jun 2017, 02:38pm

Looks like Ruth and her followers claims of a Tory revival may have been a bit premature.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/uk-regions/scotland/news/86348/labour-neck-and-neck-tories-second-scotland-poll

Posted by: Kemedian 2nd Jun 2017, 12:14pm

Today...



Wednesday...




I'm not aware that anyone on here does, but if you buy that then you'll love this rare uncut original footage from the set of the motion picture...


Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Jun 2017, 04:13pm

Buy's what kem? unsure.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 2nd Jun 2017, 04:19pm

The paper and today's 'story'.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Jun 2017, 09:15am

Not me then.

Posted by: Kemedian 3rd Jun 2017, 12:23pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 3rd Jun 2017, 10:15am) *
Not me then.

Seriously, who's buying that stuff??

If that's the quality of journalism we can look forward to in an independent country, it's little wonder the Tories are back in with a shout. unsure.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 4th Jun 2017, 01:14pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 2nd Jun 2017, 12:14pm) *
Wednesday...




So I take it that the triple lock is designed to ignore the publics view if the SNP do not increase their vote share above 50% (what they got at the last election)

What ever happened to the Scottish people being sovereign, we seem to be getting a referendum even if the majority of the voting Scottish public reject the SNP.

Posted by: bilbo.s 4th Jun 2017, 02:09pm

https://www.grammarly.com/?q=grammar&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=sdc&utm_content=193386253149&utm_term=&matchtype=&placement=discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk&network=d&gclid=CK7349espNQCFcoaGwod_ToLNg


Don't say I'm not good to you! laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Jun 2017, 10:51am

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 3rd Jun 2017, 01:23pm) *
Seriously, who's buying that stuff??

If that's the quality of journalism we can look forward to in an independent country, it's little wonder the Tories are back in with a shout. unsure.gif



If you don't think there is poor journalists then you obviously don't read the British nationalist press then? yes.gif

Or the fact that you believe the Tories are on the way back then you probably do. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Jun 2017, 11:01am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 4th Jun 2017, 02:14pm) *
So I take it that the triple lock is designed to ignore the publics view if the SNP do not increase their vote share above 50% (what they got at the last election)

What ever happened to the Scottish people being sovereign, we seem to be getting a referendum even if the majority of the voting Scottish public reject the SNP.


But the public voted the SNP into power, Holyrood had a democratic vote on whether there should be another referendum in which they voted to hold another one.

Thats how democracy works.

Posted by: john.mcn 5th Jun 2017, 08:29pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 5th Jun 2017, 11:01am) *
But the public voted the SNP into power, Holyrood had a democratic vote on whether there should be another referendum in which they voted to hold another one.

Thats how democracy works.




Well I know how parliamentary democracy works which is a tad different to how it works in a referendum. You see Jagz, in a referendum the magic 50% has to be passed in a simple question ballot whereas the combined constituency vote for the SNP and Greens did not get as much, in short the majority of the public did not back them nor will they back a referendum.
There is a reason that wee Nic is not including Indy in this manifesto, she knows that she has lost support and will not match the numbers in the 2015 election. We all know that all the EU talk was just bull, the bolt on clause last year was pathetic. Who the hell is she kidding that Scots will miraculously about turn and support leaving the UK, she was targeting those EU citizens here and thats why she's hoping for a ref before the UK leaves

Two years ago she said this
"Politicians don't dictate this, the people are in charge. That's the basis of democracy."
Another of her lies to go along with 'once in a generation'... Ohh wait that was just her 'opinion' wasn't it, except the SNP put it in the white paper.

PS If the SNP put an Indy ref pledge in the 2017 manifesto and +50% backed them then no one (inc me) can stand in their way, the only argument would be the timing, that they dont do that should tell you they know they dont have the popular support.

Posted by: john.mcn 5th Jun 2017, 08:33pm


Wee Nics asked a question that if she got full single market access to the EU would she take a referendum off the table, her answer is NO!
The EU and Brexit are just pawns, why shout about Scotland in the single market to just brush it aside. If we leave the UK for the EU then there will be a hard border on this island for the first time in hundreds of years.


Posted by: wombat 5th Jun 2017, 11:40pm

rolleyes.gif ah nicola mi Madonna mia rolleyes.gif

 

Posted by: Dave Grieve 6th Jun 2017, 12:01am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 5th Jun 2017, 10:33pm) *
If we leave the UK for the EU then there will be a hard border on this island for the first time in hundreds of years.


I would imagine it would be the first time in recorded history a hard border existed for ordinary citizens. (invading armies excluded of course)

Posted by: john.mcn 6th Jun 2017, 07:40pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 1st Jun 2017, 02:38pm) *
Looks like Ruth and her followers claims of a Tory revival may have been a bit premature.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/uk-regions/scotland/news/86348/labour-neck-and-neck-tories-second-scotland-poll



Strangely enough Jagz I seen talk of that poll and links to WoS, upon reading it and seeing he was mocking Ruth Davidsons drop I noticed that Wee Nic was not on the included image. Putting on my super sleuth hat I went investigating, well not really I just went to the ipsos mori poll and read it. There was a reason that they 'forgot' to include Wee Nics rating (as well as editing the image removing Davidsons + rating), she has dropped 18 points and has the lowest rate among the Scottish politicians(more dissatisfied than satisfied)
Now my view on polls has not changed, asking a few hundred, or thousand, people cannot accurately gauge millions of individuals views unless you view them as sheeple. Take them for what they are, the views of those who were asked.



Posted by: john.mcn 6th Jun 2017, 07:48pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 6th Jun 2017, 12:01am) *
I would imagine it would be the first time in recorded history a hard border existed for ordinary citizens. (invading armies excluded of course)


Quite possible Dave. I still cant figure out why some people think Scotland can leave the UK. join the EU and then dictate terms to the other 27. Any trade deal (or none) between the EU and UK will also apply to new entrants to the EU, if its a bad deal then cross border trade and movement will suffer. I dont know anyone who hops across to the continent for work but I do know people who carry out work in England as part of business contracts, that will suffer or even stop.

Posted by: john.mcn 6th Jun 2017, 08:10pm


No doubt an audience full of yoon traitors wink.gif


Posted by: bilbo.s 6th Jun 2017, 09:48pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 6th Jun 2017, 09:48pm) *
Quite possible Dave. I still cant figure out why some people think Scotland can leave the UK. join the EU and then dictate terms to the other 27. Any trade deal (or none) between the EU and UK will also apply to new entrants to the EU, if its a bad deal then cross border trade and movement will suffer. I dont know anyone who hops across to the continent for work but I do know people who carry out work in England as part of business contracts, that will suffer or even stop.


"Any trade deal (or none) between the the EU and UK, will also apply to new entrants to the EU."
I've heard it all now!

Professor TeeHeeHee , where are you?

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th Jun 2017, 09:50pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 6th Jun 2017, 10:10pm) *
No doubt an audience full of yoon traitors wink.gif




Nae doot aboot it. You recognise your own kind.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 7th Jun 2017, 10:29am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 6th Jun 2017, 08:40pm) *
Putting on my super sleuth hat I went investigating, well not really I just went to the ipsos mori poll and read it. There was a reason that they 'forgot' to include Wee Nics rating (as well as editing the image removing Davidsons + rating), she has dropped 18 points and has the lowest rate among the Scottish politicians(more dissatisfied than satisfied)


If Ruths party gets outvoted by Wee Nics party will you eat your "super sleuth hat"?

You didn't buy your magic hat off a fellow called Warburton did you? unsure.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 7th Jun 2017, 08:18pm


For probably the umpteenth time Jagz I think that the SNP will win the majority of the seats, what these 'accidental MP's' do with that power I dont know, whistle, hum, sing, clap, tweet lies or abuse, who knows. Will they fight for their constituents or just oppose everything in Westminster just so they can greet that other parties vote against 'Scotland'. What the SNP have done is pissed everyone off on the way up and no one wants to work with them, they're not in opposition to the government, they're in opposition to everyone and its failing the people they claim to represent.
I received yet another SNP leaflet with not much on it, they thought they had 5 years to get stuff done (or more likely the last year) but get stuck with little done to shout about after 2. wee Nics fault, goading Theresa may about not being elected (which of course she is) and May then calling an election might well cost the SNP several of it's MP's and give the Tories another 5 years in power. Think about it Jagz, if the Tories get a majority because it gains Scottish seats then not only can May then say She speaks for all of GB but Sturgeon will have given her the right to do so.

Anyone can check how much, or little their MP has done in the two years they've been elected
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/
Was quite shocked to see what they voted against military action against ISIS and strangely enough against increasing tax on alcohol, seeing as minimum pricing is an SNP policy its a strange one.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th Jun 2017, 12:45am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 7th Jun 2017, 09:18pm) *
For probably the umpteenth time Jagz I think that the SNP will win the majority of the seats


I know John, there, there, there, democracy sucks, maybe the Tories will win in the UK and can turn the county into a little North Korean dictatorship and you can get your haircut like your Dear leader Theresa's and wave your little union flag bless. yes.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 8th Jun 2017, 07:45am



I dont partake in the waving of flags, they should be left on poles or used just for sporting events.
If you want to compare despotic regimes tactics you might want to see who puts their faces on vehicles, posters, manifestos and has an almost cultists following who believe in anything their dear leader says.. No doubt some will want to erect statues and tear down 'Unionist ones' if Scotland becomes Independent.

Posted by: Dykejumper 8th Jun 2017, 10:32am

John. you forgot helicopter.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th Jun 2017, 12:12pm

rolleyes.gif I hope you Chuckle Brothers have been out casting your vote today.

Posted by: john.mcn 8th Jun 2017, 07:56pm

Funny as I think of you and yer mate as these grumpy old men laugh.gif


Posted by: Dykejumper 9th Jun 2017, 01:39am

Mrs Shreek and pompous Gus out on their ears , that's definitely worth a chuckle.

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Jun 2017, 07:20am

Its still a win isn't that what some will say, they've dropped from 50% to 37% share of the vote, lost 1/2 a million voters, lost 21 seats and gave the Tories its biggest result in Scotland in 30 years. No doubt some will shout about 'Red Tories' switching to Blue but the numbers dont add up, the Tories have gained roughly what the SNP have lost while Labour has increased its share, the only place the Tories could get votes is from the SNP.
There is now not much between the SNP, Labour and the Tories, Scotland is a 3 party state and the only thing that saved the SNP some seats is the FPTP system they hate so much.

I dont think political analysts will spend too much time wondering how it all went wrong for wee Nic. She took the public for granted, stuck 2 fingers up to YES voters who wanted out of the EU as well as doing the same to Remainers who wanted to stay in the UK. Its the old tale of surrounding yourself with YES men and women (pun intended) and thinking of yourself as bullet proof, trying to keep the fanatical new members on board was always a gamble, I wonder how many of them will now stick around seeing as Big Brother is back on the telly.

As predicted the SNP lost this seat, in one of the highest NO areas and previously one of the safest Tory seats in Scotland you need to do a lot more than sit on your hands and oppose everything the Government does. The SNP winning it 2 years ago was a shock for everyone including the SNP, I doubt it will happen again.

Posted by: enrique 9th Jun 2017, 10:45am

Well since I started this thread I thought I would add to it now the we know the outcome , big big surprise at the labour vote , not surprised the S.N.P lost over 20 seats its I think a pointer to Sturgeon to curb her idea of another indi vote for now, but a sad day for the tories , I think May was badly advised to have a snap election, there thinking of how bad Corbyn was has back fired, I have no doubt the SNP supporters on here will find someway of claiming a victory, but I think waiting till a later date for Independence is the right move

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Jun 2017, 11:38am

QUOTE (enrique @ 9th Jun 2017, 11:45am) *
I have no doubt the SNP supporters on here will find someway of claiming a victory



Winning 60% of the seats and having more seats than the three British Nationalist parties who campaigned solely on a "No Indyref2" put together isn't a victory for you Enrique?

Perhaps you can tell me what you do consider a "victory" then? unsure.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Jun 2017, 05:43pm

FPTP is not a reflection on public opinion, voter numbers are. If the 3 other main parties campaigned against IndyRef2 and their combined numbers dwarf the SNPs then that means the public are against another referendum. Only one party lost a 3rd of its vote, only one party lost more than a 3rd of it's MP's. To put this into context to show the seriousness of it, the Labour party lost all but 1 seat in 2015 but lost less votes than the SNP did last night.

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Jun 2017, 06:00pm

QUOTE (enrique @ 9th Jun 2017, 10:45am) *
Well since I started this thread I thought I would add to it now the we know the outcome , big big surprise at the labour vote , not surprised the S.N.P lost over 20 seats its I think a pointer to Sturgeon to curb her idea of another indi vote for now, but a sad day for the tories , I think May was badly advised to have a snap election, there thinking of how bad Corbyn was has back fired, I have no doubt the SNP supporters on here will find someway of claiming a victory, but I think waiting till a later date for Independence is the right move


The thing is Enrique, with Sturgeon hijacking the EU Ref for Indyref2 she peed off enough of the public that gave the Tories an extra 11 seats here, without those seats the Tories would not have enough seats to form a government even with the help of the DUP. She cant now go on about austerity from a Tory government when her droning on about Indyref2 for the past year helped put them there.
Will the left leaning public forgive them for that, or more to the point, will the labour party let them forget it, ask 1979.

What also seems to get lost in the results last night is that the Tories increased their votes by over 2 million and beat both the numbers and vote share of Tony Blairs landslide in 1997.

Its time the voting system UK wide was overhauled and Parliaments are more representative of the voters choices.

Posted by: Dykejumper 9th Jun 2017, 11:21pm

May probably lost because of her vicious 3 pronged attack on the elderly,she was very badly
advised.

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Jun 2017, 11:46pm



I've heard that voting among the younger generation increased, the crashing of the UKIP vote could also have effect. Despite what some say, they did have support in traditional Labour areas. Some of the Labour gains have wafer thin majorities a combination of each could have swung it.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 10th Jun 2017, 05:52am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 9th Jun 2017, 08:00pm) *
Its time the voting system UK wide was overhauled and Parliaments are more representative of the voters choices.


If you are talking about Proportional Representation here John I would advise against it.
I live in a country that uses this system and it works against the electorate. Encouraging Cronyism, Nepotism and any other Isim you can think of.
Under PR the voter has no say in who represents the interests of a particular area. with all decisions regarding MP appointments being made at party headquarters.
If any MP goes against Party instructions from Head Office they are replaced with someone more compliant to the Bosses way of thinking. This is done without consulting the voters

If you were to ask any average voter here in SA who is their local MP they would most probably not be able to tell you, the majority of 'MP's' dont go near the area the party have appointed them to look after once their appointment has been confirmed.

Keep the system you have in place now, with one exception get rid of the House of Lords. There is no need to have an unnecessary second house that does nothing for the money spent on it.
Our experience is that when the government engages in anything against the interests of the people then the Constitutional Court soon brings them back to reality.

Posted by: john.mcn 10th Jun 2017, 08:01am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 10th Jun 2017, 05:52am) *
If you are talking about Proportional Representation here John I would advise against it.
I live in a country that uses this system and it works against the electorate. Encouraging Cronyism, Nepotism and any other Isim you can think of.
Under PR the voter has no say in who represents the interests of a particular area. with all decisions regarding MP appointments being made at party headquarters.
If any MP goes against Party instructions from Head Office they are replaced with someone more compliant to the Bosses way of thinking. This is done without consulting the voters


A complete shake up of everything Davie, from how votes are calculated to devolving power to council and more control over local issues to the public.
There are many different system of PR, Scotland uses 2 different types but as we have seen recently certain parties members have tried to manipulate the outcome by instructing their support to vote a certain way, i.e in the 2nd list vote, vote for the Greens who may get seats if the SNP reach their vote share quota through the FPTP first vote and force through a 2nd Indy vote (which they did). The vote till you boke message sent out to manipulate the PR used in council elections(https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-systems/types-of-voting-system/single-transferable-vote/) was an attempt to coordinate voters into voting for every person standing so that Con/Lab/Libdems were placed at the bottom and risked losing out on seats. These two instances disgusted me as they were trying to make someone elses vote null and void through manipulation of the system brought in to make sure everyones vote mattered.
Maybe our list vote area needs to be Scotland as a whole rather than regions, and those on the list have to be selected from failed candidates who actually campaigned. Whichever system is used and perfected its better than FPTP which sees a party with 50% of the vote return 90% of the MP's, it was funny when it happened but it isnt really fair is it.
QUOTE
If you were to ask any average voter here in SA who is their local MP they would most probably not be able to tell you, the majority of 'MP's' dont go near the area the party have appointed them to look after once their appointment has been confirmed.

The only people chapping doors near me were Labour. I would have thought that the sitting MP after seeing the Tories become the largest party in the council she would be out chapping doors instead of posting on social media and sending loads of leaflets out. None of my family voted SNP, coming from a YES household where they all voted SNP last year thats pretty damning. When I asked my kids who and why they voted, their answer was Jeremy Corbyn(no he wasnt standing here wink.gif ). The issues of the Scottish government discriminating against British students was something they brought to me after learning their friends paid fees while those from the continent got it free.
QUOTE
Keep the system you have in place now, with one exception get rid of the House of Lords. There is no need to have an unnecessary second house that does nothing for the money spent on it.
Our experience is that when the government engages in anything against the interests of the people then the Constitutional Court soon brings them back to reality.


I'm not against an upper house to help balance the other chamber , its the size of the thing and who the members are that bothers me, often if the public reject politicians we cant get rid of them as they get appointed to the HoL. Maybe it should be fully answerable to the public but political party members are banned

Posted by: bilbo.s 10th Jun 2017, 09:47am


Posted by: john.mcn 10th Jun 2017, 10:11am



I think the voter figures represent how that night went more than number of MP's elected via FPTP, or is the people in Scotland not sovereign anymore (my, how quick was that phrase dropped)

SNP 977,569 votes

Con/Lab/Lib who campaigned against another ref 1,654,017 votes.

To use someone elses phrase, the people have spoken!

I'm just catching up on Nics speech on the BBC facebook page, lots of apparent SNP voters not happy that most didn't vote for the SNP. Quite calm so far, I've seen some pretty nasty stuff on facebook these last few months (terror attacks were false flag operations etc)

Posted by: enrique 10th Jun 2017, 12:56pm

For me my show of victory is increasing your seats not losing them , and as I have said before I voted FOR indi , but I worry Sturgeon is going to burst the bubble by going for another vote too soon , and we will never get a third go for quite sometime , she should stick to trying to improve our lot while she is leader instead of trying to make a name for herself

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th Jun 2017, 05:23pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 10th Jun 2017, 11:11am) *
I think the voter figures represent how that night went more than number of MP's elected via FPTP, or is the people in Scotland not sovereign anymore (my, how quick was that phrase dropped)

SNP 977,569 votes

Con/Lab/Lib who campaigned against another ref 1,654,017 votes.

To use someone elses phrase, the people have spoken!

It was a Westminster general election played by Westminsters FPTP rules, if you're not happy then blame the Tories and Labour parties as they steadfastly refuse to change their two party stranglehold, the SNP have proposed and supported the introduction of PR on several occasions.

Again, this was a Westminster General Election not a referendum, there will be YES voters in the 1,654,017.

Posted by: john.mcn 10th Jun 2017, 09:24pm

I know it's a big ask asking you for proof as you seem to drop your arguments when it's asked for, but do you have any incidences where the SNP have proposed any bills calling for PR for Westminster elections in the last two years?

Ohh and I mean proof, not SNP members saying they support it, I mean did they actually propose bills to change the voting system.. No digs or trying to get one up, I want to know if they were willing to sacrifice 1/2 their MPs to bring PR to Westminster or was it all just talk.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Jun 2017, 11:32am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 10th Jun 2017, 10:24pm) *
I know it's a big ask asking you for proof as you seem to drop your arguments when it's asked for, but do you have any incidences where the SNP have proposed any bills calling for PR for Westminster elections in the last two years?



Here you go John.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-snp-would-vote-to-introduce-proportional-representation-at-westminster-nicola-sturgeon-confirms-10223302.html

I know it isn't a bill proposal but they are still supportive of PR in Westminster.

Since you bring up the subject of answering questions and the fact you admitted you did know what the vow was can you then answer my question to you which was "what parts of the vow were actually delivered?".

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Jun 2017, 11:39am

QUOTE (enrique @ 10th Jun 2017, 01:56pm) *
For me my show of victory is increasing your seats not losing them


It's FPTP Enrique, it's the SNP's second biggest Westminster general election win, do olympic gold medals not get handed out if the winner of the race doesn't beat his previous best time?

Posted by: john.mcn 11th Jun 2017, 11:53am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 11th Jun 2017, 11:32am) *
Here you go John.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-snp-would-vote-to-introduce-proportional-representation-at-westminster-nicola-sturgeon-confirms-10223302.html

I know it isn't a bill proposal but they are still supportive of PR in Westminster.

Since you bring up the subject of answering questions and the fact you admitted you did know what the vow was can you then answer my question to you which was "what parts of the vow were actually delivered?".


Bloody hell did you even read my post, I said a Bill not a newspaper headline, saying you would vote for a bill when you have the power to bring one forward is just a fudge. They released that to the press in May 2015, that was before they won 56 seats in Westminster(held 7th May), in the two years they had the majority of seats in Scotland with less than 50% of the vote did they bring forward a bill to back up their claim they supported PR in Westminster.. you brought it up so I want to know if their word is as good as they say when they have the power to follow through on it

Its funny that you try to divert from posting the vow you claim has not been fulfilled by asking questions that I can easily answer if you just post the Vow, whats it been, 3 weeks now?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Jun 2017, 03:18pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 11th Jun 2017, 12:53pm) *
Its funny that you try to divert from posting the vow you claim has not been fulfilled by asking questions that I can easily answer if you just post the Vow, whats it been, 3 weeks now?



You have had three weeks to answer my question so it's clearly not as easy for you to answer as you claim.

But never mind, the election is over, there will be no referendum anytime soon so let's turn our attention to the Brexit negotiations, you voted leave perhaps you can tell us all how we get out of the mess you and your fellow seps have gotten us into? unsure.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 11th Jun 2017, 04:02pm

John, thats as near as a admittance he was wrong that you are going to get.

Posted by: john.mcn 11th Jun 2017, 08:09pm

Here is the discussion that has been going on for 3 weeks now, it's only been going on that length of time because Jagz has avoided, despite several requests, posting the Vow he claims has not been fulfilled. Notice his diversion tactics and now his plea to just end it when he could have done so by just posting the Vow he is referring to. Also notice that he tried to divert my request by asking me a question on the 22nd of May which I answered but he still goes on that I haven't to try to divert attention away from the fact that he refuses to just post the vow he was referring to. It's a simple request that he post proof of his claims but as any reader here knows Jagz rarely backs up his accusations when asked for proof..
All of this could have been prevented if he just posted the Vow when asked 3 weeks ago

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 21st May 2017, 04:22pm) *
What was the VOW jagz?

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st May 2017, 06:17pm) *
The Vow was a pack of lies as you well know.

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 21st May 2017, 10:28pm) *
I asked what the VOW was jagz, not your opinion on it. you state that is hasn't been fulfilled then why not post what it was and others can make up their mind if it was or not.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd May 2017, 11:30am) *
You don't know what the Vow was?

Was Cartoon Network channel doing a Scooby Doo 24 hr special that day?

Why should i do all the work, you look it up then tell us what has been delivered in full and others can make up their mind if it was or not.

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd May 2017, 06:22pm) *
I know what it was and I confronted you before about it. You were the one who stated it s not fulfilled so it should be easy to post it and prove your assertion

I'm telling you that the vow to hold talks on power transfers has been fulfilled, the SNP played a major part in the discussion, the Scottish parliament stacked with SNP politicians voted for proposals and the 56 (at the time) SNP MPs voted for the Scotland act that put into motion the power transfer.. So tell me jagz, if the SNP was involved all the way and voted for the outcome of the talks what Vow are you talking about has not been fulfilled?

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd May 2017, 10:07am) *
No, you clearly don't know what the vow was. huh.gif

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 23rd May 2017, 07:16pm) *
Well then Jagz, enlighten us!

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 24th May 2017, 07:46pm) *

wink.gif

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th May 2017, 11:42pm) *
I'm assuming that is supposed to be tumbleweed?

You do realised you've just made a rod for your own back?

Here's one of your heroes take on the Vow.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/14888556.Brown_admits__the_Tories_haven___t_fulfilled_The_Vow/

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 25th May 2017, 12:02am) *
Hold on, your evidence that the vow was not fulfilled is an article from 2015 before either Holyrood or Westminster voted on the Scotland act, which the SNP Politicians in both houses voted for..

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 5th Jun 2017, 08:07pm) *
No can do Jagz, it's still in use waiting for you to post the wording of the Vow you claim hasn't been fulfilled. It's been two weeks since I asked and if I knew it would have been that hard I might not have asked.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 7th Jun 2017, 10:23am) *
If you don't know the wording of the vow then why should i waste my time giving you it when it clearly went over your head the first time.

If you do look it up yourself you can come back and answer my question to you about which parts of the vow were actually delivered?

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 7th Jun 2017, 08:39pm) *
I do know the wording of the Vow, it is not me who is saying that it has not been upheld.
strange that you took the time to google Broons response in 2015 yet didn't just post the vow so that others can make up their own mind. That you once again refuse to post it and now say you wont waste your time basically screams that yer talking mince . If the Vow had not been fulfilled you would be posting it in large bold print, both as proof and as that rod you so wish to beat my back with.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 8th Jun 2017, 12:37am) *
So i don't need to explain it to you then, so you can tell me the parts that have been upheld then?


Come on now John, you've had over a fortnight tick tock, your precious Ruth No Surrender party is going to be in for a big disappointment in 24 hours.

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 8th Jun 2017, 07:39am) *
Just say that you wont post the vow because it shoots down your argument, anyone can see your diversion tactics to avoid posting it.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 11th Jun 2017, 11:32am) *
Since you bring up the subject of answering questions and the fact you admitted you did know what the vow was can you then answer my question to you which was "what parts of the vow were actually delivered?".

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 11th Jun 2017, 11:53am) *
Its funny that you try to divert from posting the vow you claim has not been fulfilled by asking questions that I can easily answer if you just post the Vow, whats it been, 3 weeks now?

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 11th Jun 2017, 03:18pm) *
You have had three weeks to answer my question so it's clearly not as easy for you to answer as you claim.

But never mind, the election is over, there will be no referendum anytime soon so let's turn our attention to the Brexit negotiations, you voted leave perhaps you can tell us all how we get out of the mess you and your fellow seps have gotten us into? unsure.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 11th Jun 2017, 09:55pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 11th Jun 2017, 10:09pm) *
Here is the discussion that has been going on for 3 weeks now, it's only been going on that length of time because Jagz has avoided, despite several requests, posting the Vow he claims has not been fulfilled. Notice his diversion tactics and now his plea to just end it when he could have done so by just posting the Vow he is referring to. Also notice that he tried to divert my request by asking me a question on the 22nd of May which I answered but he still goes on that I haven't to try to divert attention away from the fact that he refuses to just post the vow he was referring to. It's a simple request that he post proof of his claims but as any reader here knows Jagz rarely backs up his accusations when asked for proof..
All of this could have been prevented if he just posted the Vow when asked 3 weeks ago




Nurse, the screens! wacko.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 11th Jun 2017, 10:28pm



Quite strange that you ask one o them and the other pips up, its like a strange ventriloquist act, a dummy and a dummy.. You should try that on BGT laugh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 11th Jun 2017, 10:58pm

I have literally just read 'The Vow' for the first time, and can't believe what all the fuss was about. It is no more substantial than any other tabloid front page and if anyone was swayed by it then what was the point of the TWO year campaign period!

It's what followed in legislation that mattered most, which was never going to please everybody, but that's Politics.

If the SNP has any idea at all what independence entails, then it would not have wasted public money in an unhelpful Brexit court battle. Yet more evidence that it doesn't.

I don't want Brexit but it's happening and it won't be pleasant. I can only hope that it properly puts The 45 off the idea for good. agree.gif




Posted by: john.mcn 12th Jun 2017, 07:34am


Thats the thing Kem, that cant be the Vow Jagz is taking about as its just a pledge that following a No there will be talks about power transfer. This not only happened with the Smith commission but the SNP voted for the legislation that came from the talks they were involved in, this is why I've been asking Jagz to post what vow he's talking about.

The only other reason that he and plenty of other SNP members have been going on about it is to try to change peoples memory to make them believe it happened the way they said it did and create more grievance, but dont take my word for it, take the SNP MP Martyn Day's word

QUOTE
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/snap-referendum?utm_term=.wwY7A92qz#.acBmp4Bz2


https://livestream.com/IndependenceLive/OntheSofa3/videos/95091866

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Jun 2017, 12:47pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 11th Jun 2017, 05:02pm) *
John, thats as near as a admittance he was wrong that you are going to get.


Wrong about what DJ?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Jun 2017, 12:54pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 11th Jun 2017, 11:58pm) *
I have literally just read 'The Vow' for the first time, and can't believe what all the fuss was about.

I don't want Brexit but it's happening and it won't be pleasant. I can only hope that it properly puts The 45 off the idea for good. agree.gif






Remember it came about during the Purdah period which in itself was wrong.

It will have most of the 55 joining the 45 to escape as the union implodes in on itself. yes.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 12th Jun 2017, 01:21pm

Purdah, schmurdah, they don't give a turdah! angry.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 12th Jun 2017, 06:56pm



Maybe it was just their 'opinion' laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 12th Jun 2017, 06:58pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Jun 2017, 12:47pm) *
Wrong about what DJ?


|I would hazard a guess that you stating the vow (that you refused to post) was not fulfilled.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Jun 2017, 10:50am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 12th Jun 2017, 07:56pm) *
Maybe it was just their 'opinion' laugh.gif


Not only do you not know what the vow was but you don't know what the purdah period before an election or referendum is either. ohmy.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Jun 2017, 10:58am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 12th Jun 2017, 07:58pm) *
|I would hazard a guess that you stating the vow (that you refused to post) was not fulfilled.


Not just me, 91% of my fellow countrymen and women too.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/14899551.The_Con__Only_9__of_Scots_believe_The_Vow_has_been_kept/

You've had over three weeks to come up with the parts of the vow that have been delivered, it's not like you to be so shy.

Answering for Dykejumper now. laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 13th Jun 2017, 07:07pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Jun 2017, 10:58am) *
Not just me, 91% of my fellow countrymen and women too.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/14899551.The_Con__Only_9__of_Scots_believe_The_Vow_has_been_kept/

You've had over three weeks to come up with the parts of the vow that have been delivered, it's not like you to be so shy.

Answering for Dykejumper now.


Ok just for a moment lets just forget that you refused to post the vow for 3 weeks straight, lets forget that you asked me a question to divert attention from me asking for the vow, lets forget that I answered that question that day you asked, lets forget that 3 weeks after asking Kem did the job for you and everyone can see that the 'vow' was just meaningless talk of talking(which I said on the 15th September 2014), lets forget that I went through the posts and put the conversation all in one post so that people can see me calmly asking for you to post the vow for others to read, lets forget 3 weeks of you avoiding, diverting and posting old newspaper links instead of just fulfilling the simple request to back up your statement.. Now if we forget all that and look at your post then people might say 'ohh wow jagz has John on the ropes', but we cant forget about them can we, we cant forget that for 3 weeks you refused to post the vow and tried many times to divert. My point was just so that people could read the vow you were referring to and make up their own minds, yours was to lie and deceive and that is why you refused to back up your initial statement. If you had just done that then this would have been finished 3 weeks ago..

Now then, on to your link. First of all I would have thought that after me pointing out your previous link as 'out of date' as it was from 2015 which was prior to the Scotland act 2016 (hints in the name) might have made you think twice about posting more 'proof' from that year, but obviously not. wacko.gif
Now what is funny is that if you read the story,( I did but I dont think you did biggrin.gif ) you will see that it explains the Vow as being "conceived and drafted by journalists at the Daily Record,", now what is funny about that, well if it was the work of journalists then I'm not sure it falls under purdah. It was the work of journalist and posted on the front page of a newspaper.. Your link jagz so you must agree with it biggrin.gif
What is purdah though is the SNP announcing an 8.3 million investment to Glasgow 2 days before the council elections, thats different though isn't it because the SNP got the most seats

Anyway I'll humour it as seeing as its from the totally unbiased Nat onal.
Not being one for polls as they are the views of those polled and not millions of people I had a hunt for the collected data as not much info is available on the nat onal.
I guess I'm just lucky though as I did find the data and it sampled all of 1110 people, strangely though the weighted sample has the SNP voters as the highest group, some 499 people. Given a anomaly like that then surely that would have most of those saying that the vow was not delivered...Well wrong, the nat onal fudged it a bit and just subtracted the 9% who thought the 'Vow' had been delivered fully from the rest. If you state the ones who say it has not been delivered then the actual figure is 22



Now thats just not only what the poll was about, it also asks about another referendum based on the EU referendum as well as how long till we have another referendum, guess what, have one sooner rather than later was only 29 with the vast majority of non SNP voters saying it should be once in a generation



Now I know jagz is probably regretting his decision to post the nat onal link but it does get WORSE, most would vote NO in a referendum and almost everyone of them would not change their vote from 2014



So thanks for that jagz, without you avoiding posting the vow you would never have posted that link.

As funny as it was it is still only a poll of 1110 people, thats enough people for Jagz as 'proof' but certainly nowhere enough for me, no doubt though as it shows a NO vote Jagz will now denounce it as lies biggrin.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Jun 2017, 07:20pm

Jeezo! This is far more serious than I thought. sad.gif

Posted by: wombat 13th Jun 2017, 09:31pm

rolleyes.gif riveting innit? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Jun 2017, 09:42pm

Captain Queeg comes to mind. I can just see the steel balls. I wonder if there are stolen strawberries in his past.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Jun 2017, 10:56pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 13th Jun 2017, 08:07pm) *
Ok just for a moment lets just forget that you refused to post the vow for 3 weeks straight, lets forget that you asked me a question to divert attention from me asking for the vow, lets forget that I answered that question that day you asked, lets forget that 3 weeks after asking Kem did the job for you and everyone can see that the 'vow' was just meaningless talk of talking(which I said on the 15th September 2014), lets forget that I went through the posts and put the conversation all in one post so that people can see me calmly asking for you to post the vow for others to read, lets forget 3 weeks of you avoiding, diverting and posting old newspaper links instead of just fulfilling the simple request to back up your statement.. Now if we forget all that and look at your post then people might say 'ohh wow jagz has John on the ropes', but we cant forget about them can we, we cant forget that for 3 weeks you refused to post the vow and tried many times to divert. My point was just so that people could read the vow you were referring to and make up their own minds, yours was to lie and deceive and that is why you refused to back up your initial statement. If you had just done that then this would have been finished 3 weeks ago..

Now then, on to your link. First of all I would have thought that after me pointing out your previous link as 'out of date' as it was from 2015 which was prior to the Scotland act 2016 (hints in the name) might have made you think twice about posting more 'proof' from that year, but obviously not. wacko.gif
Now what is funny is that if you read the story,( I did but I dont think you did biggrin.gif ) you will see that it explains the Vow as being "conceived and drafted by journalists at the Daily Record,", now what is funny about that, well if it was the work of journalists then I'm not sure it falls under purdah. It was the work of journalist and posted on the front page of a newspaper.. Your link jagz so you must agree with it biggrin.gif
What is purdah though is the SNP announcing an 8.3 million investment to Glasgow 2 days before the council elections, thats different though isn't it because the SNP got the most seats

Anyway I'll humour it as seeing as its from the totally unbiased Nat onal.
Not being one for polls as they are the views of those polled and not millions of people I had a hunt for the collected data as not much info is available on the nat onal.
I guess I'm just lucky though as I did find the data and it sampled all of 1110 people, strangely though the weighted sample has the SNP voters as the highest group, some 499 people. Given a anomaly like that then surely that would have most of those saying that the vow was not delivered...Well wrong, the nat onal fudged it a bit and just subtracted the 9% who thought the 'Vow' had been delivered fully from the rest. If you state the ones who say it has not been delivered then the actual figure is 22



Now thats just not only what the poll was about, it also asks about another referendum based on the EU referendum as well as how long till we have another referendum, guess what, have one sooner rather than later was only 29 with the vast majority of non SNP voters saying it should be once in a generation



Now I know jagz is probably regretting his decision to post the nat onal link but it does get WORSE, most would vote NO in a referendum and almost everyone of them would not change their vote from 2014



So thanks for that jagz, without you avoiding posting the vow you would never have posted that link.

As funny as it was it is still only a poll of 1110 people, thats enough people for Jagz as 'proof' but certainly nowhere enough for me, no doubt though as it shows a NO vote Jagz will now denounce it as lies biggrin.gif


John, please seek help my friend.

Posted by: wombat 14th Jun 2017, 11:13pm

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Posted by: john.mcn 14th Jun 2017, 11:44pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 14th Jun 2017, 10:56pm) *
John, please seek help my friend.



Why because I hand yours and the other half of your act butt back to you time after time, you post lies and get called out, you post garbage from biased rags as some sort of proof to back them up and anyone who checked out the poll can see that 'paper' is as bad as the DM and anyone who laps it up does need help.

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Jun 2017, 07:41am

Hmmmm! wacko.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Jun 2017, 12:13pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 15th Jun 2017, 12:44am) *
Why because I hand yours and the other half of your act butt back to you time after time, you post lies and get called out, you post garbage from biased rags as some sort of proof to back them up and anyone who checked out the poll can see that 'paper' is as bad as the DM and anyone who laps it up does need help.


Well done John you've saved the union, now can you turn your attention to the Brexit talks, they really will need your help? yes.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 15th Jun 2017, 07:21pm



I saved the Union? thought the election was nothing about IndyRef2 biggrin.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 16th Jun 2017, 10:30am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 15th Jun 2017, 08:21pm) *
I saved the Union? thought the election was nothing about IndyRef2 biggrin.gif


It wasn't, but you guys thought it was. laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 16th Jun 2017, 07:27pm



So if it wasn't then why was both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon saying before the election that this was a vote for the right for Holyrood to call an election.

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th Jun 2017, 09:46pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 16th Jun 2017, 09:27pm) *
So if it wasn't then why was both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon saying before the election that this was a vote for the right for Holyrood to call an election.



There, there, pal. Time to call it a night and get the jammies on. Mixing up elections and referenda again, as usual. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 16th Jun 2017, 11:35pm



Yet to reach your age where i need help into bed.
cant argue for the mix up, been listening to the SNP too long as everything is about an indy ref nowadays. I heard wee nic now wants a new indyref cause her maid changed the cushion covers on her couch and it was a different material

Posted by: bilbo.s 17th Jun 2017, 07:58am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 17th Jun 2017, 01:35am) *
Yet to reach your age where i need help into bed.
cant argue for the mix up, been listening to the SNP too long as everything is about an indy ref nowadays. I heard wee nic now wants a new indyref cause her maid changed the cushion covers on her couch and it was a different material



You move in strange circles. Ever decreasing ones I think.

Posted by: john.mcn 17th Jun 2017, 08:19am



woosh!

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Posted by: bilbo.s 20th Jun 2017, 04:47pm

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/86847/kezia-dugdale-calls-fresh-general-election-get


You really couldn't make it up. The Dug encouraged Labour supporters to vote Tory in the recent campaign to thwart the SNP, probably resulting in the Tories getting most seats, now urges for another election to oust said Tories. Is she trying to make amends, or just plain thick?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 20th Jun 2017, 06:13pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 20th Jun 2017, 05:47pm) *
Is she trying to make amends, or just plain thick?



Definitely the latter. yes.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 20th Jun 2017, 06:41pm



Like these other silly quotes that seem to arise, they're never backed up. I had never heard of Kezia Dugdale encouraging Labour supporters to vote Tory so i had a look. It seems to come from the rev, that well known unbiased 'news' source, and the video Dugdale gave to a reporter . In it she claims that Labour are best suited to beat the SNP in the majority of Scotland except areas in the borders or up North where its the Tories.

I'm no fan of her but that is not saying vote Tory, its stating a fact that Labour dont have a strong following there . Anyway others can make up their mind as the vid is below


Posted by: bilbo.s 20th Jun 2017, 07:38pm

Well, John, I freely admit that you are the resident expert on making up quotes that you cannot back up. Jagz and I know all about that! thumbup.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Jun 2017, 11:27am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 20th Jun 2017, 07:41pm) *
I had never heard of Kezia Dugdale encouraging Labour supporters to vote Tory so i had a look. It seems to come from the rev, that well known unbiased 'news' source, and the video Dugdale gave to a reporter . In it she claims that Labour are best suited to beat the SNP in the majority of Scotland except areas in the borders or up North where its the Tories.



You're not looking hard enough John, surely you're not going to claim the "the rev" writes for "that well known unbiased 'news' source" the Daily Express are you?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/807559/Kezia-Dugdale-Nicola-Sturgeon-SNP-Scottish-independence-poll-Ruth-Davidson

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Jun 2017, 07:13pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 20th Jun 2017, 07:38pm) *
Well, John, I freely admit that you are the resident expert on making up quotes that you cannot back up. Jagz and I know all about that! thumbup.gif

You'll be able to point out the 'quotes' I've made up then.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st Jun 2017, 11:27am) *
You're not looking hard enough John, surely you're not going to claim the "the rev" writes for "that well known unbiased 'news' source" the Daily Express are you?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/807559/Kezia-Dugdale-Nicola-Sturgeon-SNP-Scottish-independence-poll-Ruth-Davidson



Is the express now a reputable newspaper then?

Interesting that you reply to the video posted by Wings over Scotland by posting a newspaper article with the exact same clip. She still says the same thing you know and I dont hear her telling Labour voters to vote Tory. The paper is reporting the reaction to the video from, no doubt Wings reading, Twitter users (check the dates). Your link even transcribes what she says and there's no telling, urging or persuading Labour voters to vote Tory

What all this is about though is to try to cover up that people switched from SNP to Conservative. Corbyn is used as an excuse for the drop in support in seats lost to Labour but in seats lost to the Tories it somehow becomes Dugdales fault, of course they totally ignore that the SNP votes plummeted while the Conservatives increased their vote. Its the Sturgeon effect of her whinging on for 10 months threatening IndyRef2, drop in seats, share and votes but ohh noes its all Labours fault, can they not accept blame for anything

Posted by: wellfield 21st Jun 2017, 10:35pm

Well Lads n' Lassies,I think I'll join the many other absent members of this site over this past year.....gettin' a wee bit fed up with 4 or 5 members turning it into a political site...Ta' Ta'

Posted by: bilbo.s 21st Jun 2017, 10:47pm

QUOTE (wellfield @ 22nd Jun 2017, 12:35am) *
Well Lads n' Lassies,I think I'll join the many other absent members of this site over this past year.....gettin' a wee bit fed up with 4 or 5 members turning it into a political site...Ta' Ta'


A tad hypocritical from one who regularly makes "political" comments, but I suppose you don't see them that way.

Certainly there are political topics, but it is easy to steer clear of them, just as I avoided football threads, as I was not interested.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Jun 2017, 11:05pm

QUOTE (wellfield @ 21st Jun 2017, 11:35pm) *
Well Lads n' Lassies,I think I'll join the many other absent members of this site over this past year.....gettin' a wee bit fed up with 4 or 5 members turning it into a political site...Ta' Ta'




Just what were you expecting to be discussed in a "No One To Vote For, Election" thread Wellfield?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Jun 2017, 11:18pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 21st Jun 2017, 08:13pm) *
Is the express now a reputable newspaper then?


Oh dear, too Union and too pro indy, the fact is the same John, Kez asked that those who were in areas where Labour couldn't win then "There are a few differences, in the Borders and Highlands, where the Tories might be better placed", clearly vote Tory to keep the SNP out and diminish Scotland's voice at Westminster.

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Jun 2017, 11:35pm



Well Jagz we can all now use the express as 'proof', normally i wouldn't but as you now seem to accept it then you cant now reject anything put forward.
The video is the same as I posted, she was saying that only Labour can beat the SNP in the central belt, not entirely true as my area shows but the results say she is not far off. In the border and parts of the Highlands the Labour party are a distant 3rd or 4th the Tories are better placed, thats acknowledging Labour cannot win, its not telling Labour voters to vote Tory. Do you think that little of Labour voters that you think they'd all just march out and do what they're told.

You're just trying to hide from fact that SNP likely lost votes to the Tories, 2 seats held since the 80's turned Blue which they were prior to going to the SNP, are you seriously saying that is all down to Kezia Dugdale

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Jun 2017, 11:45pm

John, just keep telling yourself "In May we trust" there is nothing i or anyone else can tell you to make you change your mind, we will all get down on our knees and apologise to you when the UK becomes the land of milk and honey and all our houses, jobs and pensions are saved by your political behemoths.

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Jun 2017, 11:57pm



LOL back to your pathetic wee jibes, I dont trust most politicians, I did trust the SNP for a long time because I thought they'd be different but they turned out to lie and spin just as much as the others.

Facts make me think jagz, the stuff you post here and the spinning the SNP sites and media do would give the hated MSM a run for their money. Not everyone is a silly wee trooper who just follows whatever idiot sticks on a yellow rosette.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Jun 2017, 12:20am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Jun 2017, 12:57am) *
Not everyone is a silly wee trooper who just follows whatever idiot sticks on a yellow rosette.


No, you're just a "silly wee trooper" who believes his country can't run it's own affairs.

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Jun 2017, 06:46pm


Where have I said that? Thats the problem with you, its the old if yer no wae us yer agin us time after time. We had our referendum less than 3 years ago, I dont see any movement of NO voters massing or marching because they changed their minds. It's the same people or groups wanting another bite at the cherry because they refuse to accept most voters disagreed with them.
If you or the SNP listened to the voters then you would not have wasted a year greeting about Brexit because that, despite wee Nic thinking otherwise, was not a major factor in people voting NO. If she, you and the abusive nutjobs on social media spent that time changing peoples minds with clear and constructive answers to questions raised in 2014 then maybe you might plant that wee seed that grows into a YES but as it stands telling them they're eejits, traitors, quislings, Tories or even Red Tories aint winning friends, in fact it's driving people away.


Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Jun 2017, 09:56pm

If it's driving people away ( from independence) why are you not happier about it? You don't come across as a happy chappy at all, more as someone with something festering which needs lancing. sad.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Jun 2017, 02:30pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Jun 2017, 07:46pm) *
Where have I said that?



So you agree Scotland can be a successful independent country?

Posted by: john.mcn 25th Jun 2017, 10:00am



Can Scotland be independent, yes and I dont think anyone has said otherwise. Success is both relative and subjective. People may very well say that just being independent is successful, some would look to their lives now and would say any drop in lifestyle would mean it isn't, others might say that to be successful would have to mean life would have to be better otherwise what was the point of the arguing, time and money wasted on just staying the same.
Success for each person is different and whether something is successful or not is a matter of opinion. What will happen of course is that spending will have to be controlled, the debt managed and the difference in taxes raised and spent reduced. This will be in the form of increased taxes or reduced benefits/ government spending, they will not be able to reduce government spending as Scottish offices to replace UK wide departments will have to be set up, that looks to me as taxes will go up or benefits cut... maybe the ES.N.P will be able to answer these points in years to come but in all honesty they should have has the answers before screaming for another indyref.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Jun 2017, 12:18pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 25th Jun 2017, 11:00am) *
This will be in the form of increased taxes or reduced benefits/ government spending, they will not be able to reduce government spending as Scottish offices to replace UK wide departments will have to be set up, that looks to me as taxes will go up or benefits cut..

maybe the ES.N.P will be able to answer these points in years to come but in all honesty they should have has the answers before screaming for another indyref.


In case you hadn't noticed we are already experiencing "increased taxes and reduced benefits/ government spending" as part of your mighty UK.

Surely new Scottish offices to replace UK ones will provide thousands of new jobs, more tax revenue raised and more money in the workers pockets meaning more money being spent in the Scottish economy, what's not to like?

I'm sure the SNP will provide many answers before Indyref 2, unlike you Brexteers.

Posted by: john.mcn 25th Jun 2017, 01:04pm


Wah Wah wah, am no getting Indy...Grow the blankety blank up, it is our UK, you live here just as I do.

In case you missed the massive debt and deficit, it has to be controlled. Whether it's the UK or Scotland there has to be more tax generated as well as cuts, at least the UK government are up front about this, the SNP just bleat out the old Jagz catchphrase 'Just blame Westminster', how will that pay the bills in an Indy Scotland.

An increase in government workers does not raise the taxes it cost to employ them, bloody hell do you even engage your brain before posting. If you pay someone 200 per week and get 50 back in direct taxes then there is a shortfall of 150 and that is not including pension/NI contributions. A government needs to create an environment to encourage private enterprise which in turn creates wealth and taxes among their employees. It also allows job creation and opportunities for the young to better their lives and give them hope for the future. High taxes to cover burgeoning state departments does the opposite

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Jun 2017, 02:23pm

No John it's your Uk, you want to retain it i want it dissolved, as for the rest of your post you're making it perfectly clear you don't think Scotland can be a successful independent country.

Could you at least try to write one post without resorting to Insults and ridicule?

Posted by: john.mcn 25th Jun 2017, 03:43pm



treating you like a child is not abuse, stop the pathetic wee quips like , its my no surrender party (still waiting on proof on that) or that May is my hero and I may start actually think you are worthy of debating like an adult..
The voters in Scotland voted to remain in the UK, do you disrepect others that much that you want to ignore their views in a free vote?
If it is not your UK then are you going to send all that money you get from them back?
Do you have a driving license, a passport or any form of ID that says that you are not a UK citizen? Both mines say United Kingdom

I am a realist and you and the ES.N.P keep going on about Westminsters fault, was the IT mess this week their fault, was police Scotland funding gap there's, what about Scotland falling down the education tables.. pretty soon they will have to fess up and that its their mismanagement and not some evil plot doon south..
Every time they bleat that its someone elses fault they go down in my estimation, since Sturgeon backed the wrong horse she has whinged and gret and now demands that say in brexit that she could have had last year if she just accepted the democratic will of the people in the UK. If Scotland doesn't fare well in Brexit negotiations, the blame will lie right at her feet.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Jun 2017, 06:38pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 25th Jun 2017, 04:43pm) *
treating you like a child is not abuse

If Scotland doesn't fare well in Brexit negotiations, the blame will lie right at her feet.


You behaving like a child is embarrassing.

How will Britain failing in Bexit negotiations be the FMs fault?

Posted by: john.mcn 25th Jun 2017, 07:18pm



Still waiting for all this proof of these claims, why do you call the Tories the 'no surrender' party and why do you affiliate them with me while at the same time deny you engage in sectarian politics. If you're not going to answer because its all made up just say so and I wont waste time bringing it up for the next 6 months.

I never said the Brexit negotiations would fail, I said 'If Scotland doesn't fare well in Brexit negotiations', as Sturgeon showed that she can not be trusted to fight on the UKs side, then if Scotland does not benefit due to us not having a presence it will be her fault. Of course this could also mean that Ruth Davidson steps up and fights for all of Scotland, getting more powers along the way. That would really stick in your and Sturgeons craw, wouldn't it.

Posted by: bilbo.s 25th Jun 2017, 09:34pm

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Watch out for the white coat brigade. They can't be far away now! Ruth Davidson, eh? Now it's all falling into place.

Posted by: john.mcn 25th Jun 2017, 10:39pm



Are you aware that Ruth Davidson was invited to sit in on a cabinet meeting in Downing street a couple of weeks ago. Is it too much of a strain on your brain to think that Davidson could be invited to 'fight' for Scotland's interests in the Brexit negotiations thereby bypassing Sturgeon and also allowing Davidson any credit for benefits or powers passed to Scotland. Is it really beyond yer wee blinkers to see the Tory backroom boys hyping her up to the press so that she is on every front page as the woman who fought for Scotland just before the Holyrood election campaign kicks off. Just over 200,000 votes separated the SNP and Tories at the last election, you can be sure they will go into the Holyrood election fighting to win.

BTW, people used to laugh if you spoke of the SNP winning power in Scotland, they also laughed if anyone suggested the Tories would beat Labour in an election in Scotland. Those who laugh in politics often find they then become laughed at when their complacency comes back to bite them. If the SNP do a Jagz and just keep saying 'we won' while ignoring the Tories breathing doon their neck then they might just find their minority government becomes a far smaller minority and they cant pass anything

Posted by: bilbo.s 26th Jun 2017, 07:55am

I am well aware that Davidson sat in on a cabinet meeting. We do get UK news here in darkest Spain. She looked better astride a tank gun.

Yes, it is beyond my mind to imagine Davidson fighting Scotland's corner. She is a Tory and, as such, she represents UK (England) as does Mundell and any other "Scottish" Tory.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 26th Jun 2017, 09:45am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 25th Jun 2017, 08:18pm) *
Still waiting for all this proof of these claims, why do you call the Tories the 'no surrender' party I wont waste time bringing it up for the next 6 months.

Of course this could also mean that Ruth Davidson steps up and fights for all of Scotland, getting more powers along the way.



Oh dear, it's common knowledge that Ruth Davidsons party (i never said the Tory party) had climbed into bed with the OO for last years Holyrood elections (it's not my fault you don't read newspapers or watch/listen to TV/Radio) and this was one year before her parent party actually did join forces with the DUP (this will be breaking news to you i suppose?)

And you will still be bringing it up for the next six months and beyond, anything to take the attention away from the mess you little Brexiteers have created.

The day Ruth Davidson fights for Scotland against her Tory masters is the day i will walk round George Sq naked shouting "John.mcn was right all along i do have shit for brains".

It'll never happen, strange how 10 DUP MP's have already more power and say for NI from May's government than Ruths 13 MP's have for Scotland. unsure.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 26th Jun 2017, 01:28pm

UK democracy at its brilliant best. The Tory minority government gives 1 billion of taxpayers' money to NI, in return for support from DUP, a bunch of sectarian neanderthals. One can only hope that this is the beginning of the end for the UK and the Tory party, but I have never been an optimist. Disgusting ! angry.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 26th Jun 2017, 02:23pm

This may be a set up for Colonel Davidson to ride in astride a tank an "steps up to fight for Scotland" as John predicted. laugh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 26th Jun 2017, 02:46pm

[quote name='JAGZ1876' date='26th Jun 2017, 04:23pm' post='3731758']
This may be a set up for Colonel Davidson to ride in astride a tank an "steps up to fight for Scotland" as John predicted. laugh.gif
[/quote


Destination George Square?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 26th Jun 2017, 02:57pm


Wouldn't be the first time Unionists have had Tanks in George Square. yes.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 26th Jun 2017, 06:11pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 26th Jun 2017, 07:55am) *
I am well aware that Davidson sat in on a cabinet meeting. We do get UK news here in darkest Spain. She looked better astride a tank gun.

Whatever rocks your boat
QUOTE
Yes, it is beyond my mind to imagine Davidson fighting Scotland's corner. She is a Tory and, as such, she represents UK (England) as does Mundell and any other "Scottish" Tory.


Well I live in an area that was once the safest Tory seat in Scotland(possibly again) and know people who voted for them, I've also heard a couple of the cooncillors and it may surprise you as you live abroad but they're Scottish through and through and they do actually care for the community here. Case in point, Bonnyton house was the last council run OAP home in East Renfrewshire, both labour and the SNP voted to privatise it, Tory cooncillors and MSP opposed the privatisation because it would limit care for those who could not afford the service. It was only after a public outcry that the buyer pulled out .

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 26th Jun 2017, 09:45am) *
Oh dear, it's common knowledge that Ruth Davidsons party (i never said the Tory party) had climbed into bed with the OO for last years Holyrood elections (it's not my fault you don't read newspapers or watch/listen to TV/Radio) and this was one year before her parent party actually did join forces with the DUP (this will be breaking news to you i suppose?)

If it was common knowledge then why are you not providing proof and even if you do then why do you affiliate me with a party I have never voted for or an organisation I have never been a member of. The simple reason is the one I have stated before, you partake in sectarian politics as anyone can see.
I dont read 'newspapers', haven't you stated the same before or do you rush out to grab your copy of the Nat Onal before it sells out (LMAO).
I do listen to the radio in between CDs and I do watch TV, I get a crap load of channels as well as streaming from Amazon/Netflix which to be honest is far better and I would settle for that if my wife didn't record those crappy soaps.
QUOTE
And you will still be bringing it up for the next six months and beyond, anything to take the attention away from the mess you little Brexiteers have created.

Not if you simply answered my questions
QUOTE
The day Ruth Davidson fights for Scotland against her Tory masters is the day i will walk round George Sq naked shouting "John.mcn was right all along i do have shit for brains".

Why would you think fighting for Scotland is against the Tory party, they will argue for the UK which includes Scotland, allowing Davidson to argue her case (she was pro EU remember) and giving her the credit for fighting for Scotland will show people the difference that working within the UK can accomplish as opposed to the screaming antics of Sturgeon and her Brexit, Brexit, Brexit, Brexit, Brexit
QUOTE
It'll never happen, strange how 10 DUP MP's have already more power and say for NI from May's government than Ruths 13 MP's have for Scotland. unsure.gif


You've got that mixed up, why would Scottish conservatives demand incentives to vote for a party they are a member of huh.gif . What you should be asking is why did the 56 achieve nothing in two years and what could the 35 have gotten for Scotland if they worked within the system

Posted by: john.mcn 26th Jun 2017, 06:15pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 26th Jun 2017, 01:28pm) *
UK democracy at its brilliant best. The Tory minority government gives 1 billion of taxpayers' money to NI, in return for support from DUP, a bunch of sectarian neanderthals. One can only hope that this is the beginning of the end for the UK and the Tory party, but I have never been an optimist. Disgusting ! angry.gif



The DUP are a legal party that has been democratically elected not only to Westminster but also the Northern Irish assembly . if giving incentives for support in crucial votes is wrong then how do you think the SNP got its budgets passed in Holyrood from 2007-2011 and 2016-present.
what would the SNP demand from labour for their support if they were the largest party, pretty much the same.

Posted by: john.mcn 26th Jun 2017, 06:19pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 26th Jun 2017, 02:57pm) *
Wouldn't be the first time Unionists have had Tanks in George Square. yes.gif



That would be the Armed forces if you are referring to 1919 and to be honest I'm glad they did or would a civil war due to a Russian bolshevik type uprising(and possible backing) followed by decades of Soviet style governing be right up your street.

Posted by: bilbo.s 26th Jun 2017, 06:51pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 26th Jun 2017, 08:11pm) *
Whatever rocks your boat


Well I live in an area that was once the safest Tory seat in Scotland(possibly again) and know people who voted for them, I've also heard a couple of the cooncillors and it may surprise you as you live abroad but they're Scottish through and through and they do actually care for the community here. Case in point, Bonnyton house was the last council run OAP home in East Renfrewshire, both labour and the SNP voted to privatise it, Tory cooncillors and MSP opposed the privatisation because it would limit care for those who could not afford the service. It was only after a public outcry that the buyer pulled out .


If it was common knowledge then why are you not providing proof and even if you do then why do you affiliate me with a party I have never voted for or an organisation I have never been a member of. The simple reason is the one I have stated before, you partake in sectarian politics as anyone can see.
I dont read 'newspapers', haven't you stated the same before or do you rush out to grab your copy of the Nat Onal before it sells out (LMAO).
I do listen to the radio in between CDs and I do watch TV, I get a crap load of channels as well as streaming from Amazon/Netflix which to be honest is far better and I would settle for that if my wife didn't record those crappy soaps.

Not if you simply answered my questions

Why would you think fighting for Scotland is against the Tory party, they will argue for the UK which includes Scotland, allowing Davidson to argue her case (she was pro EU remember) and giving her the credit for fighting for Scotland will show people the difference that working within the UK can accomplish as opposed to the screaming antics of Sturgeon and her Brexit, Brexit, Brexit, Brexit, Brexit


You've got that mixed up, why would Scottish conservatives demand incentives to vote for a party they are a member of huh.gif . What you should be asking is why did the 56 achieve nothing in two years and what could the 35 have gotten for Scotland if they worked within the system



More garbage! The only satisfaction I gleaned there was your reminding me that I lived abroad. I often forget how lucky I am.

Sad to see your having a dig at your missus, puir wummin. It shows your misanthropy is more widespread than I thought.

Posted by: john.mcn 26th Jun 2017, 10:23pm



Someone once said to me
'John McN, Why do you give lengthy, well thought-out answers to somebody who does not return the compliment ?'
maybe I should heed their words and just answer as you do

Posted by: Dykejumper 27th Jun 2017, 12:08am

Meanwhile back in Govanhill the residents association have arranged a protest march to the
Selfie Queen's office this saturday .Its about the fact that break-ins in the area have doubled, if by chance they get to meet the SQ she will no doubt opine that its all due to austerity cuts by Tory
charlatans.

Posted by: bilbo.s 27th Jun 2017, 07:35am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 27th Jun 2017, 12:23am) *
Someone once said to me
'John McN, Why do you give lengthy, well thought-out answers to somebody who does not return the compliment ?'
maybe I should heed their words and just answer as you do



You must stop talking to yourself. It'll only lead to disagreement. yes.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 27th Jun 2017, 06:52pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 27th Jun 2017, 07:35am) *
You must stop talking to yourself. It'll only lead to disagreement. yes.gif

cool.gif







Posted by: bilbo.s 28th Jun 2017, 09:13am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 27th Jun 2017, 08:52pm) *
cool.gif







Q.E.D.

Posted by: john.mcn 28th Jun 2017, 10:02pm


So i mention a phrase that someone basically said to me to not bother with those who cant reply with anything but one word replies and emojis.
You reply that I've to stop talking to myself
I reveal that the person who sad it was YOU.
You reply with Q.E.D

Err surely that reply just reinforced my point or are you really that daft not to get it

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Jun 2017, 08:18am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 29th Jun 2017, 12:02am) *
So i mention a phrase that someone basically said to me to not bother with those who cant reply with anything but one word replies and emojis.
You reply that I've to stop talking to myself
I reveal that the person who sad it was YOU.
You reply with Q.E.D

Err surely that reply just reinforced my point or are you really that daft not to get it



My Q.E.D. was referring to the fact that you are obsessional, proven by your trawling back for almost 3 years to find a quote.

As you and I have never been exactly chums, my ancient post was more to annoy Dylan than to support you. The "lengthy" was sincerely meant, but you surely do not believe that "well thought-out" was other than sarcasm.

On reflection, maybe it would be better if you confined your conversations to yourself. It's going that way already.

Posted by: john.mcn 29th Jun 2017, 07:41pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Jun 2017, 08:18am) *
My Q.E.D. was referring to the fact that you are obsessional, proven by your trawling back for almost 3 years to find a quote.


Trawl would suggest that i spent ages just ages browsing pages and happened across it, so far from the truth as I knew you said it, when you said and in reply to a post I did to Dylan. It was less than a minute and 2 or 3 clicks.
QUOTE
As you and I have never been exactly chums, my ancient post was more to annoy Dylan than to support you. The "lengthy" was sincerely meant, but you surely do not believe that "well thought-out" was other than sarcasm.
You're right we were never 'chums' though to be honest i was unaware of any 'bad blood' until out of the blue you started calling me names. For you to now claim it was sarcasm when you obviously did not realise the quote was from yourself and that you have now trawled the thread for your comment (i left the date and post number to make it easy) just makes is so much funnier though biggrin.gif
QUOTE
On reflection, maybe it would be better if you confined your conversations to yourself. It's going that way already.


Yet you keep replying, not debate replying because that would require a modicum of the intelligence you claim to have, instead you reply in the Father Jack style as everyone can see.

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Jun 2017, 09:30pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 29th Jun 2017, 09:41pm) *
Trawl would suggest that i spent ages just ages browsing pages and happened across it, so far from the truth as I knew you said it, when you said and in reply to a post I did to Dylan. It was less than a minute and 2 or 3 clicks.
You're right we were never 'chums' though to be honest i was unaware of any 'bad blood' until out of the blue you started calling me names. For you to now claim it was sarcasm when you obviously did not realise the quote was from yourself and that you have now trawled the thread for your comment (i left the date and post number to make it easy) just makes is so much funnier though biggrin.gif


Yet you keep replying, not debate replying because that would require a modicum of the intelligence you claim to have, instead you reply in the Father Jack style as everyone can see.



In your delusion, do you really think that many read your crap? I only answer in kind to keep you company, out of the goodness of my heart. My generosity does not stretch very often to actually debating the "points" you make, as I do not wish to be seen as encouraging your dementia.

I fully admitted that I did not recall the thread. It just goes to prove what a weird mind you have, to be able to recall my words and also when the comment was made. Perhaps I should feel flattered but instead I just find it scary.

BTW, I did not trawl the site for the quote, as I did not believe even you were capable of forging the evidence.

Father Jack? When have I ever demanded drink from you? wacko.gif

Keep one eye on the monitor and the other through the windae! thumbup.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 29th Jun 2017, 10:04pm

I dont think anyone believes you have any generosity or sincerity in you. Keep deluding yourself that you offer anything anywhere. You come to this forum to derail and call people names for simply disagreeing with you, not just this forum i see unless of course theres more than one bad tempered auld git called Bill from albunol on the internet.. LOL

Believe it or not but I do recall the talk with Dylan mostly because of all the angrynats shouting UDI at the moment, he though i disagreed with his views, was a far more pleasant individual than you and he understood the difference between banter and a build up of anger due to other 'problems' . That was the main reason I recalled it as lets face it, without the abuse you've dished out both after the 2014 ref and the EU ref you are pretty insignificant and people would be asking billwho?

BTW if you did not seek out the quote, how did you know I was answering Dylan, sudden recollection is it laugh.gif

Gotta laugh though at someone who cant seem to stand me continues to read my posts. cool.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Jun 2017, 10:15pm

Oh dear, obsession is an inadequate description. Unlike you, I have no need to hide my identity, as you no doubt know from this website alone. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 29th Jun 2017, 10:28pm

So your name is bilbo.s then laugh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Jun 2017, 07:54am

wacko.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Jun 2017, 11:22am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Jun 2017, 10:30pm) *
as I do not wish to be seen as encouraging your dementia.


To be fair i was quite impressed that John can not only remember a ninteen word sentence wrote almost three years ago but knows exactly where to find within "2 or 3 clicks".

Credit where credits due. thumbup.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Jun 2017, 11:25am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 29th Jun 2017, 11:04pm) *
not just this forum i see unless of course theres more than one bad tempered auld git called Bill from albunol on the internet.. LOL


Thats actually quite sinister John. unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 30th Jun 2017, 11:29am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 29th Jun 2017, 11:28pm) *
So your name is bilbo.s then laugh.gif



My name not Jagz1876 either. blush4.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 30th Jun 2017, 02:12pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Jun 2017, 01:29pm) *
My name not Jagz1876 either. blush4.gif


John McNasty
John McNumpty
John McNeep
John McNausea
John McNinny


I'll crack it one of these days! wink.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 1st Jul 2017, 08:39am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Jun 2017, 11:22am) *
To be fair i was quite impressed that John can not only remember a ninteen word sentence wrote almost three years ago but knows exactly where to find within "2 or 3 clicks".

Credit where credits due. thumbup.gif



Not for the first time i need to say to you to read what i wrote, i remembered the conversation between Dylan and myself due to the subject being UDI. This is being shouted from certain quarters because it's dawned on them that the SNP are losing support and that a referendum would likely fail if called soon, this is what jogged my memory, bilbos post was recalled as a result of that. As for knowing 'when' well it was soon after the referendum result as you can see the date on the jpg. I know you're not that well versed in the use of t'internet but if you know the subject, rough date and people involved then a search can take you within spitting distance of what you're looking for, view the ones with the highlighted search words matching the rough date and it takes you to either the piece you're looking for or a quoted from it.
I redid my steps and from the search it took 3 clicks, not rocket science.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Jun 2017, 11:29am) *
My name not Jagz1876 either. blush4.gif


You'' need to take it up with your mate, he is the one who has a problem with people not showing who they are, of course the fact that between the 3 of us it is only myself whose uses their real first name is lost on him. He also does't quite get it that its his location that gives him away, not his name.


QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 30th Jun 2017, 02:12pm) *
I'll crack it one of these days! wink.gif



Each time you try you just prove my point you are here to troll and derail threads

Posted by: john.mcn 1st Jul 2017, 08:42am

Ohh and BTW Jagz, while you're here are you any further along with all this proof of your accusations or are we assume your silence on the matter since I asked for evidence of your claims is really just an admission you made it up.. Seeing as all these things are 'common knowledge' anyone would think it would be easy to just show a link, but as we know you've got history with fabricating stuff.

Posted by: bilbo.s 1st Jul 2017, 08:47am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 1st Jul 2017, 10:39am) *
Not for the first time i need to say to you to read what i wrote, i remembered the conversation between Dylan and myself due to the subject being UDI. This is being shouted from certain quarters because it's dawned on them that the SNP are losing support and that a referendum would likely fail if called soon, this is what jogged my memory, bilbos post was recalled as a result of that. As for knowing 'when' well it was soon after the referendum result as you can see the date on the jpg. I know you're not that well versed in the use of t'internet but if you know the subject, rough date and people involved then a search can take you within spitting distance of what you're looking for, view the ones with the highlighted search words matching the rough date and it takes you to either the piece you're looking for or a quoted from it.
I redid my steps and from the search it took 3 clicks, not rocket science.



You'' need to take it up with your mate, he is the one who has a problem with people not showing who they are, of course the fact that between the 3 of us it is only myself whose uses their real first name is lost on him. He also does't quite get it that its his location that gives him away, not his name.





Each time you try you just prove my point you are here to troll and derail threads


Posted by: bilbo.s 1st Jul 2017, 09:05am


"Each time you try you just prove my point you are here to troll and derail threads"

What can you mean? Threads about what a clever cyber wizard you are? Threads where you point out that you use your first name and are therefore less secretive than we are? Threads where you explain that my location "gives away my identity", when I have shown that I don't care who knows exactly who I am? Anyone who is interested, and I do not flatter myself that many are, knows my full name, where I was born, where I grew up, my schools, where I spent 35 years, where I am in Spain, my occupation history etc.

Members on here know a good deal about Jagz and myself through our own posts. It is your choice to hide your personal details and nobody would deny your right to do so. Apart from the fact that your wife is partial to soaps and that displeases you, we know zilch about you.

Please do not take this as a complaint, as I know more than enough about you.

Oh, was this a political thread? Sorry!

Posted by: john.mcn 1st Jul 2017, 09:48am


It's a political thread is it, not a thread for you to deride others for simply disagreeing with you, not one for you to mock whether someone has put a comma in the wrong place or not bothered their ass with apostrophes. I'll need to remember that.

This is a forum for debate and it seems to be just you who is bothered about knowing where I went to school, why is that, want to know what foot I kick a ball with. You dont need to know anything about me or any other person here, I couldn't tell you zilch about anyone on others forums I have belonged to far longer than i have been here and that does not bother me one bit. What I know about you is that you're in Spain, claimed to be an accountant and that you think others are beneath you.
Neither myself or others here do not hide anything, not telling you something is not hiding it, it's just not telling you. You and Jagz have tried this wee childish game before when he implied i was at school because I had not revealed my age. If you post your location then decide to mocks those of us here in the UK for our political views then it will be pointed out where you live. It was not too long ago those who voiced their support for the UK but were abroad were told to shut it and that seemed to be perfectly acceptable.. funny old world aint it.


Posted by: bilbo.s 1st Jul 2017, 10:08am

Nonsense! You and others have abused me on my schooling, my occupations, my location, my age etc. All of that was possible because I divulged the information quite innocently in a frank manner. This is what prevents you from doing likewise. Fear that any info. could be used against you. You are a completely anonymous wee man(?) with strange views. Perhaps your real name is Aloysius Mohammed McGlumpha- who knows?

BTW you hid well your ageism agenda when your old ally Danny Boy was posting. Double standards again!

You are at it , even in your last post, when you cast your usual sneery doubt on my "claim" to be an accountant. Of course nobody can sneer at your details, as you possibly do not even exist. OK, I'm dreaming now ! rolleyes.gif

Oh, I forgot - you are a Tory, even if you do not realise it!


Off down to the beach now. Toodle-pip!

Posted by: john.mcn 1st Jul 2017, 10:46am



Ahh so you're just angry i dont give you ammunition, gotcha.
You seem oblivious to the very simple fact that you get back what you sow. As i said before i didn't know of any bad blood until you started calling me names . I have brought up your private schooling as you have constantly questioned my intelligence and have made reference to myself as a stanley blade carrying hard man because I grew up on a scheme. If you had not started on any of those here who openly supported Brexit, or in fact the UK then you would not have received it back in return.
Your usual responses and attitudes have not been reserved for myself, two long standing members said in public that the abuse you heaped on them was the reason they were leaving the forum, their crime was they openly supported Brexit, just last week another member who like you emigrated stuck her head above the parapet and voiced her opinion, your reply spoke volumes to the type of person you are, or at the very least think you are.

Maybe I am Tory as I've supported the SNP for decades, locally it is they who support cutting services and even PRIVATISING the last council run care home for the elderly, then again I oppose this other cost cutting measures while they waste money buying fleets of electric cars.
My politics for the most part have always hovvered over the central ground, ohh no doubt you will pick some apolitical subjects like migration to say otherwise but i know people well to the 'left' of me, even SNP voters who views on immigration are more 'extreme'. I see a policy that I like i will say so irrespective of which part supports it. I wont be like the idiotic SNP who said they supported lower corporation then bloody vote against it because the Tories proposed it.

Posted by: bilbo.s 1st Jul 2017, 01:02pm

Hogwash, Henry! laugh.gif


The simple fact is that you think you can get away with saying anything, because you wear the cloak of anonymity. Sorry about the purple prose. Not your colour?

Posted by: angel 1st Jul 2017, 03:39pm



reply to post 189 .


just last week another member who like you emigrated stuck her head above the parapet and voiced her opinion.

-----------------------------------

I have never crouched or hidden behind any
parapet in my life or for that matter anonymity
like yourself .
In your aging process , you are growing older
buy you have yet to grow up .




Posted by: john.mcn 1st Jul 2017, 03:55pm


Thanks for that contribution angel (I'll assume that is your real name looking at your wee rant) but before bashing away at the keyboard in a reply to something that you think is about yourself, it might be better to inquire if your suspicions, or delusions, are true. In this case they are not and I was not talking about you, in fact I do try not to talk about you in the off chance I say your name 3 times in a row and you appear unleashing your wrath on the world. So rest assured that when I talk of good people leaving these shore as emigrants, ex pats or whatever you want to call them I do not include you in it and if I need to refer to you it will be in name, only the once though so as to not invoke the curse laugh.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 1st Jul 2017, 03:58pm

john, they are ganging up on you.

Posted by: fourbytwo 1st Jul 2017, 04:51pm

Its about time the administrators of this website started to edit some of this political comment, which has become outdated and boring.
Such tripe should move on into a special site where this Scottish Political Satire can be voiced.
This site is now beginning to have 3/4 daily columns about voting and other political, which may be OK at a voting time, but is coming to be boring still appearing long after elections....
This site should be returning to comments and discussions about Glasgow and environs, which many of us senior citizens would prefer....

Posted by: bilbo.s 1st Jul 2017, 05:40pm

No offence 4x2, but the political topics are clearly marked as such, and there is no need for the unwary to wander into them. Having said that, the political content therein is actually minimal, and there is more argy-bargy and diatribe of a personal nature, as you may have noticed. I hold my hands up as being as responsible for this as some others, and , speaking for myself, I apologise for any boredom and/or nausea inflicted upon yourself and other spectators.

As I say though, there is absolutely no need for you to consume the garbage on these pages.
Unfortunately, the "political" threads have taken over, and contributions to other less contentious issues and general, good-natured patter has recently diminished to the point of near extinction. If one scrolls down the subject matter available, one sees that only the political threads attract much comment.

The answer surely lies in the hands (or fingers) of the thousands of members who, like yourself, would prefer friendly and civil discussion on non-controversial matters, with a wee bit of banter thrown in. Personally I would prefer that, and I find it on other sites- alas no longer much on here.

Posted by: angel 1st Jul 2017, 10:12pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 1st Jul 2017, 03:58pm) *
Angel, I suspect John knows you dont like him so clearly he was not talking about you.



I wonder what poster he was speaking of , as no
female has as yet posted on this thread . yes.gif
except myself and that was today.

Posted by: angel 2nd Jul 2017, 09:18am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 1st Jul 2017, 02:55pm) *
Thanks for that contribution angel (I'll assume that is your real name looking at your wee rant) but before bashing away at the keyboard in a reply to something that you think is about yourself, it might be better to inquire if your suspicions, or delusions, are true. In this case they are not and I was not talking about you, in fact I do try not to talk about you in the off chance I say your name 3 times in a row and you appear unleashing your wrath on the world. So rest assured that when I talk of good people leaving these shore as emigrants, ex pats or whatever you want to call them I do not include you in it and if I need to refer to you it will be in name, only the once though so as to not invoke the curse laugh.gif




. and so says the ravings of a deranged mind .









Posted by: bilbo.s 2nd Jul 2017, 12:56pm

I couldn't possibly comment. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Jul 2017, 07:08pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 1st Jul 2017, 09:42am) *
Ohh and BTW Jagz, while you're here are you any further along with all this proof of your accusations or are we assume your silence on the matter



Who's "we" John?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Jul 2017, 07:17pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 1st Jul 2017, 10:48am) *
You and Jagz have tried this wee childish game before when he implied i was at school because I had not revealed my age


No, it was you who started the childish games by trying to make out you were a lot younger than me, i only made the School remark as a joke, however, you did go on to reveal in a later post that you are older than Nicola Sturgeon (sorry, "Wee Nick" so you can see why i thought you were still at school) so you're not really that much younger than me after all.

Posted by: john.mcn 2nd Jul 2017, 09:45pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 1st Jul 2017, 03:58pm) *
john, they are ganging up on you.


Certainly looks that way DJ, I think they're hoping to get enough to have a point between them, hold on thats not your real name you &^(&(^%% @ laugh.gif
QUOTE (angel @ 1st Jul 2017, 10:12pm) *
I wonder what poster he was speaking of , as no
female has as yet posted on this thread . yes.gif
except myself and that was today.


So lets get this straight, you jumped into this to 'attack' me thinking I was talking about you posting in this thread when your 'attack' was the first post in the thread.
For the second time I was not talking about you nor is it of any concern of yours.. There is a reason I avoid any 'talk' with you and this is why.


QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 2nd Jul 2017, 07:08pm) *
Who's "we" John?



Either answer the request to back up your statement or say you wont instead of trying to back out of it.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 2nd Jul 2017, 07:17pm) *
No, it was you who started the childish games by trying to make out you were a lot younger than me, i only made the School remark as a joke, however, you did go on to reveal in a later post that you are older than Nicola Sturgeon (sorry, "Wee Nick" so you can see why i thought you were still at school) so you're not really that much younger than me after all.


I stated i was younger than you as you revealed you had retired and i had not, that is not trying to make out I am at school or anything like that. My brother is younger than me but he also left school decades ago. Its just silly wee games from you and your mate . The new one of course, which you are not part of, to derail everything is claims of anonymity. Does it matter that most people have usernames as do the two shouting about it, of course not but does that stop them, of course not. Ohh and the last two bits of silly personal details i mentioned here was used right away to try to mock me by the angry man from Albunol.

I would also like to use this to apologise to fourbytwo and others put off by this, i fully intended to just let this go after seeing your thread yesterday but checking it today i had to reply. You are of course right, the election is done and I hope that all those anti democracy lot here and abroad accept that there wont be another Indyref soon as the public rejected the SNP's idiotic proposal. Let them put it to the public in 2021 in a clear manifesto commitment like they did in 2011. I'm probably done with this thread as enrique is no doubt sorry he started it.

Posted by: bilbo.s 2nd Jul 2017, 10:33pm

" I'm probably done with this thread as enrique is no doubt sorry he started it. "

There's that niggly wee word "probably" sad.gif .

Posted by: DannyH 2nd Jul 2017, 11:20pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 1st Jul 2017, 06:40pm) *
No offence 4x2, but the political topics are clearly marked as such, and there is no need for the unwary to wander into them. Having said that, the political content therein is actually minimal, and there is more argy-bargy and diatribe of a personal nature, as you may have noticed. I hold my hands up as being as responsible for this as some others, and , speaking for myself, I apologise for any boredom and/or nausea inflicted upon yourself and other spectators.

As I say though, there is absolutely no need for you to consume the garbage on these pages.
Unfortunately, the "political" threads have taken over, and contributions to other less contentious issues and general, good-natured patter has recently diminished to the point of near extinction. If one scrolls down the subject matter available, one sees that only the political threads attract much comment.

The answer surely lies in the hands (or fingers) of the thousands of members who, like yourself, would prefer friendly and civil discussion on non-controversial matters, with a wee bit of banter thrown in. Personally I would prefer that, and I find it on other sites- alas no longer much on here.



Bilbo I gave up contributing to this topic because of the way it is going - down the tubes!

The only reason I am posting right now, is because I cannnot let the statements you made in the last paragraph, of your post above, go without comment.

You say that thousands of members like Four by Two would prefer friendly and civilised discussion on non-controversial matters. You are a hypocrite, because you go on to say that you would prefer friendly and civil discussion on non-controversial matters, with a wee bit banter thrown in.

Well I went on to a non-controversial topic and made a non-controversial post. You submitted a reply that was so offensive, that I had to protest about it to the website manager. He agreed with my complaint and removed you post. You were not to happy about that and made a point of saying so.

More recently, I made a post in the topic Whit Did You Do Today. I enclosed a photograph of myself on an ice-rink with my three years old great-grandson and his Dad. I included in the post that there was an 82 years difference between me and my great-grandson.

I received three responses, the first fom Dave said, "Well done".

The second was from John. He said he had given up ice-skating after an unsuccessful attempt. Not his exact words, but that is what he meant.

The third on was from you. Your post had nothing to do with me. It was a sarcastic post, demeaning John.

So please don't come the nice guy with me. As I said in an earlier post, you should have a good long hard look ar yourself in the mirror.

Another example is that when I post in response to you, I use your nom de plume, Bilbo. You are now resorting to calling me, "Danny Boy". I have been called that many many times during my lifetime. Yours is the first that uses that term as a form of sarcasm. Is this an example of you being friendly? Give us all a break and at least be honest about your contributions on here.

From experience, I know that you will be looking for spelling mistakes and grammatical errors in this post. I wonder how many people have left this website because of your superior attitude.
By the way, I think I read recently on this website that you had your 75th birthday. If this is correct, you have some stamina when it comes to posting.

DANNY HARRIS

( I signed off using upper case letters to give you the opportunity of finding an excuse to tell me that only that the D and the H should be upper case. I don't want to spoil things for you if you haven't found any spelling or grammatical errors. By the way, if you do find any of the these errors, I couldn't care less. Some of us have a life.

Danny Harris

Posted by: bilbo.s 3rd Jul 2017, 07:40am

Danny,

Thank you for your kind words. They make me feel all warm inside, and I deeply regret having made an enemy of such a nice old chap. I know you will think that to be sarcasm, and I am truly pleased that you are right about something. smile.gif


Posted by: kenb 3rd Jul 2017, 08:03am

well said danny he done the same to me for months s its why i left for2 years and many others went away,,,,,
i wouldnt normaly say that even,but there is always a but spain cant be a nice place to live nothing to do maybe the boards will get back their good old self s ,,,,,,lets see what i have done wrong this time

Posted by: bilbo.s 3rd Jul 2017, 09:50am

QUOTE (kenb @ 3rd Jul 2017, 10:03am) *
well said danny h he done the same to mefor months s its why i left for2years and many others i wouldnt normaly say that even,but there is always a but spain cant be a nice place to live nothing to do maybe the boards will get back their good old self s ,,,,,,lets see what i have done wrong this time



Aye , ye're right! Spain is a rubbish place to live. laugh.gif

Posted by: kenb 3rd Jul 2017, 09:52am

is that sarcasm

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Jul 2017, 11:03am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 2nd Jul 2017, 10:45pm) *
I stated i was younger than you as you revealed you had retired and i had not, that is not trying to make out I am at school or anything like that.


People can retire at any age they want if they can afford it, i'm certainly not retired though, you must have taken something i said as a joke as a statement of fact, as for you being at school, again you're taking a humorous remark as a fact although some of your remarks like "Wee Nick" etc or even starting a sentence with "Ooooh" may lead others to assume a level of immaturity on your behalf.

Posted by: DannyH 4th Jul 2017, 10:59pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 3rd Jul 2017, 08:40am) *
Danny,

Thank you for your kind words. They make me feel all warm inside, and I deeply regret having made an enemy of such a nice old chap. I know you will think that to be sarcasm, and I am truly pleased that you are right about something. :)



Bilbo, I don't want to get into a tit for tat argument with you, but I will just to clarify a couple of points.

I am not your enemy. I am just one of a number of people who do not in the least, feel inferior to you. That doesn't make me hate you. I actually feel sorry for you.

Again you refer to me as a nice old chap. I noted very recently that you had your 75th birthday.
I will be 86 in a few weeks. I hope that you live to see that age. You wont if you don't get a grip of yourself and relax. For goodness sake. This is only a forum, the purpose of which is to give us the opportunity to express our views on the ISSUE, not to continually talk down to others who have opinions which differs with yours.

Speaking of age, and without any malice, wait until you reach the age of 80. You will realise that the Old Reaper is just around the corner. For goodness sake, get a life before it is too late.

I am off to bed now as I have an early rise to meet up with my walking group for a six miles walk in the Lanarkshire countryside. Next week it is the Table Tennis. Hope you can do the same if you reach 86. Life has been very good to me. I have no reason to hate anyone.

Regards

Danny

Posted by: Billy Boil 5th Jul 2017, 10:49pm

QUOTE (fourbytwo @ 1st Jul 2017, 04:51pm) *
Its about time the administrators of this website started to edit some of this political comment, which has become outdated and boring.
Such tripe should move on into a special site where this Scottish Political Satire can be voiced.
This site is now beginning to have 3/4 daily columns about voting and other political, which may be OK at a voting time, but is coming to be boring still appearing long after elections....
This site should be returning to comments and discussions about Glasgow and environs, which many of us senior citizens would prefer....

" GUVIN YA BASS" Pee Es. my name is Billy.

Posted by: Billy Boil 5th Jul 2017, 10:49pm

QUOTE (fourbytwo @ 1st Jul 2017, 04:51pm) *
Its about time the administrators of this website started to edit some of this political comment, which has become outdated and boring.
Such tripe should move on into a special site where this Scottish Political Satire can be voiced.
This site is now beginning to have 3/4 daily columns about voting and other political, which may be OK at a voting time, but is coming to be boring still appearing long after elections....
This site should be returning to comments and discussions about Glasgow and environs, which many of us senior citizens would prefer....

" GUVIN YA BASS" Pee Es. my name is Billy.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Jul 2017, 10:52pm

rolleyes.gif Enjoy your walk Danny old friend. thumbup.gif

Posted by: kenb 6th Jul 2017, 05:11am

well said again danny

Posted by: wombat 9th Jul 2017, 09:05pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 26th Jun 2017, 10:23pm) *
Someone once said to me
'John McN, Why do you give lengthy, well thought-out answers to somebody who does not return the compliment ?'
maybe I should heed their words and just answer as you do


rolleyes.gif


 

Posted by: wombat 9th Jul 2017, 09:08pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 29th Jun 2017, 07:41pm) *
Yet you keep replying, not debate replying because that would require a modicum of the intelligence you claim to have, instead you reply in the Father Jack style as everyone can see.


sad.gif


 

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th Jul 2017, 09:42pm

Ahm no even a Kaflik!

Posted by: kenb 10th Jul 2017, 07:50pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 9th Jul 2017, 10:42pm) *
Ahm no even a Kaflik!

attack attack bully boy style

Posted by: bilbo.s 10th Jul 2017, 09:15pm

QUOTE (kenb @ 10th Jul 2017, 09:50pm) *
attack attack bully boy style



Yes, clearly you have mastered it! sad.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 10th Jul 2017, 10:07pm

Ken,

Someone compared me to Father Jack. I jokingly replied that I wasn't even a Catholic.
Perhaps you can explain how this amounts to an attack or constitutes bullying, and on whom the attack is made, or to whom the bullying is inflicted.

Posted by: kenb 12th Jul 2017, 11:19pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 10th Jul 2017, 10:15pm) *
Yes, clearly you have mastered it! sad.gif
just copying the master


Posted by: kenb 12th Jul 2017, 11:26pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 10th Jul 2017, 11:07pm) *
Ken,

Someone compared me to Father Jack. I jokingly replied that I wasn't even a Catholic.
Perhaps you can explain how this amounts to an attack or constitutes bullying, and on whom the attack is made, or to whom the bullying is inflicted.





joke you dont joke you cant you are so into bullying i will leave you alone for a few days see how you get on

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Jul 2017, 07:08am

QUOTE (kenb @ 13th Jul 2017, 01:26am) *
joke you dont joke you cant you are so into bullying i will leave you alone for a few days see how you get on


You haven't answered my questions.

Posted by: kenb 14th Jul 2017, 02:18am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 13th Jul 2017, 08:08am) *
You haven't answered my questions.

and i wont answer your questions as i said learned from the master only answer the questions you can use to bully with like a person nothing to do with your bully tactics

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Jul 2017, 07:40am

QUOTE (kenb @ 14th Jul 2017, 04:18am) *
and i wont answer your questions as i said learned from the master only answer the questions you can use to bully with like a person nothing to do with your bully tactics



Wey hey! wacko.gif

Posted by: wombat 16th Jul 2017, 12:11am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 14th Jul 2017, 08:40am) *
Wey hey! wacko.gif

laugh.gif


 

Posted by: kenb 16th Jul 2017, 07:34pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 14th Jul 2017, 08:40am) *
Wey hey! wacko.gif

sorry i found this bile boy i just thought how appropriate bye bile boy

Posted by: Billy Boil 6th Aug 2017, 02:20pm

QUOTE (kenb @ 3rd Jul 2017, 08:03am) *
well said danny he done the same to me for months s its why i left for2 years and many others went away,,,,,
i wouldnt normaly say that even,but there is always a but spain cant be a nice place to live nothing to do maybe the boards will get back their good old self s ,,,,,,lets see what i have done wrong this time

Don't hold your breath ......... at least for another two years.

Posted by: kenb 7th Aug 2017, 11:21am

billy boil i agree with you and four by two by may be we will get our boards backi i have said i will stop my argy bargy with him lets see if he can

cheers

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Aug 2017, 10:14pm


Posted by: DannyH 15th Aug 2017, 10:13pm

Bilbo, as I have said before, enrique started this topic because like many people he didn't know who to vote for. In other words, THEY ARE ALL RUBBISH.

You went on to tell him you were democratic, and he should cast his vote.

So I don't see the point of your post above. Do you think the working class people of Scotland need prompting from you regarding the Tories?

Unlike you ,many, many of us worked in manufacturing. We experienced the decimation of manufacturing in Scotland, long before it started in England.

Now our white hope the SNP wants to push forward with globalisation. Do you know what that means for future generations of Scots? It means that the country with the cheapest labour costs will get the work. The UK had a trade deficit with China of some 40.9 billion U.S. dollars in 2016. Most of the products we buy from China were once made in the UK, much of it in Scotland.

How about getting back on the topic. Who would you advise us to vote for, Mr Democrat? You seem to know more about Scotland than those of us who did manual work here. So tell us, what political party should we vote for, and why?

Danny Harris

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th Aug 2017, 07:06am

It is obvious to anyone with a smidgeon of sense, that the only party worthy of a Scot's vote is the SNP. Those who vote for the UK (English) parties are deluded.

My, my, a typical wee bit of inverted snobbery from you regarding the only worthwhile work being the honest toil of the manual worker. How does that fit in with your vainglorious tales of computer programming? BTW how do you know that I never worked in manufacturing industry? You do not have access to my curriculum vitae.

I had a good laugh at your "snooty" jibe on another thread, coming close to your accounts of meeting royalty. That's fairly put me in my place in the pecking order. I prostrate myself before one who has actually had intercourse with both Charlie & Annie Windsor. I look forward to more tales of the high-life, as I have little experience of the haut-monde, apart from meeting Bobby Darin and having a drink with Peter O'Toole, but those were long ago and I was not "chosen".

Keep up the garbage. I have total faith in you.

Posted by: Dykejumper 16th Aug 2017, 10:17am

Fwiw I think Bobby Darin easily trumps Chuck who is imo an expensive waste of space.

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th Aug 2017, 01:23pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 16th Aug 2017, 12:17pm) *
Fwiw I think Bobby Darin easily trumps Chuck who is imo an expensive waste of space.



There is yet hope for the world, if we two can agree on something! biggrin.gif

Posted by: kenb 16th Aug 2017, 05:40pm

DYKE JUMPER WATCH OUT BILBO IS LOOKING FOR FRIENDS

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th Aug 2017, 06:09pm

QUOTE (kenb @ 16th Aug 2017, 07:40pm) *
DYKE JUMPER WATCH OUT BILBO IS LOOKING FOR FRIENDS


Who needs friends, when I have you for an obsessional wee stalker?

Posted by: DannyH 16th Aug 2017, 06:40pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 16th Aug 2017, 08:06am) *
It is obvious to anyone with a smidgeon of sense, that the only party worthy of a Scot's vote is the SNP. Those who vote for the UK (English) parties are deluded.

My, my, a typical wee bit of inverted snobbery from you regarding the only worthwhile work being the honest toil of the manual worker. How does that fit in with your vainglorious tales of computer programming? BTW how do you know that I never worked in manufacturing industry? You do not have access to my curriculum vitae.

I had a good laugh at your "snooty" jibe on another thread, coming close to your accounts of meeting royalty. That's fairly put me in my place in the pecking order. I prostrate myself before one who has actually had intercourse with both Charlie & Annie Windsor. I look forward to more tales of the high-life, as I have little experience of the haut-monde, apart from meeting Bobby Darin and having a drink with Peter O'Toole, but those were long ago and I was not "chosen".

Keep up the garbage. I have total faith in you.



Bilbo

I will just respond to the part of your post that refers to the subject of this topic, and that is your first paragraph.

You claim that anyone with a smidgeon of sense knows that the only party worthy of a Scot's vote is the SNP.

Think about what you have just said. If we don't vote for the SNP we don't have any sense! So, I will harp back again. You told enrique to go out and vote for who he pleases, because that is the democratic stance you take.

You live in Spain. You don't have a clue about life in Scotland. I voted for the SNP and I voted for Independence, but I also voted for Brexit. I won't vote SNP again until they get back to what they were supposed to do. That was to fight for the Scottish people.

Not to fight for free Unversity places for EU citizens. Not to say we need more EU citizens to come here because we have a falling size of population. Not to NOW say they support the concept of globalisation. What is the point of Independence if you go along with that ideology?

This means MANUFACTURING goes to the countries who will use the cheapest labour force in the world.

Scotland and the UK has call centres which are staffed by many university graduates. Why? Because there is no alternative work for them.

If you look at the curriculum for further Education Colleges in the UK, Engineering and Science courses which used to be provided in large numbers, have diminished relative to what they were.

CHINA is where our manufacturing went. Name me ONE political party in the UK, and/or in Scotland who puts manufacturing at the top of its 'must do' list. Everything we buy in the shops that is now made in China, was once made here.

I know you have no concern about manufacturing, because you have never raised any concerns. All
of this sending our manufacturing work to China, has taken place while we were in the EU.

So as the title of this topic says, I have no one to vote for, because the British political parties are all for globalisation. Much of this stems from the fact that many of our younger MP's and MEP's have no work experience. They have come straight into politics from a educational courses.

The Labour Party was founded by people who lived with the working classes and fought for better conditions for us. We got better working conditions and better pay. Now manufacturing is all gone. Not to the EU, but to CHINA.

Danny Harris

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th Aug 2017, 07:10pm

You deduce, after that long tirade, that the fault is the EU's. Brilliant! wacko.gif

Posted by: kenb 16th Aug 2017, 08:48pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 16th Aug 2017, 07:09pm) *
Who needs friends, when I have you for an obsessional wee stalker?

I MUST BE GETTING TO YOU AND BY THE WAYI AM NO WEE STALKER AT OVER 6FT TALL HARDLY WEEBYY B*****Y

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th Aug 2017, 09:20pm

QUOTE (kenb @ 16th Aug 2017, 10:48pm) *
I MUST BE GETTING TO YOU AND BY THE WAYI AM NO WEE STALKER AT OVER 6FT TALL HARDLY WEEBYY B*****Y


This SHOUTING must be deliberate, and here was me thinking it was a techno problem. OK, you win, you're a big stalker! laugh.gif

Posted by: kenb 16th Aug 2017, 10:16pm

[quote name='bilbo.s' date='16th Aug 2017, 10:20pm' post='3733275']
This SHOUTING must be deliberate, and here was me thinking it was a techno problem. OK, you win, you're a big stalker! :lothanks bilbo ilove you too

Posted by: DannyH 16th Aug 2017, 10:32pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 16th Aug 2017, 08:10pm) *
You deduce, after that long tirade, that the fault is the EU's. Brilliant! :wacko:



Bilbo, I was hoping just for once you would post something meaningful which would be related to the topic. By that I mean you would come back with a reasoned counter argument.

You have posted umpteen posts which were just rants written by other people, and you have posted links written by other people.

You jump on one statement I made that manufacturing went abroad from the UK while we were in the EU. I am not blaming the EU. You are incabable of having a reasoned discussion. The topic is, NO ONE TO VOTE FOR.

So I will write out where my statement regarding the EU fits in with this topic.

NO ONE TO VOTE FOR. Why, because the politicians of the UK allowed our manufacturing to be taken out of this country, and they have no plans to bring manufacturing back here. We are now a Service Industries country, and ALL THE MAIN POLITICAL PARTIES IN THE UK have no plans to change it.


For some reason or other, anyone who opposes your views, is branded in a negative way at every opportunity by you. You claim that others on here are uneducated. Well I have been involved in debates with people who are far more educated than you will ever be. The one thing they all had in common was the intelligence to discuss matters in a civilised way. You sir are a waste of space, and I will not be wasting anymore of my time in any topics you are involved with, for the simple reason you arrogance is now uncontrollable. You have lost the plot, and you know what? You haven't told us the real reason why you post incessantly on these forums. It is just not natural.

Tell us in a reasoned manner, why you, who lives in Spain should be so worked up on a topic, where someone, posts he has no one to vote for. Why are you getting so worked up about it, particularly after having told the person to get out there and do the democratic thing, and vote.

What gives you the right to brand people who have different views from you, as being uneducated etc?

Danny Harrris

Posted by: zascot 17th Aug 2017, 02:58pm

Hi Danny, there are a few of us who only now look in occasionally because of A holes like Bilbo. I left UK and have had a very successful life in Africa so I would not dream of giving advice never mind make statements of how people who live there should conduct themselves. Watched an old video " Benidorm" and immediately thought he would fit right in. No doubt he will make some derogatory comment on this but I will maybe see it in a month or two. A great board once but now on a par with most chat rooms.

Posted by: bilbo.s 17th Aug 2017, 04:54pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 17th Aug 2017, 04:58pm) *
Hi Danny, there are a few of us who only now look in occasionally because of A holes like Bilbo. I left UK and have had a very successful life in Africa so I would not dream of giving advice never mind make statements of how people who live there should conduct themselves. Watched an old video " Benidorm" and immediately thought he would fit right in. No doubt he will make some derogatory comment on this but I will maybe see it in a month or two. A great board once but now on a par with most chat rooms.


You are quite wrong. The Spain I live in is in a different world from Benidorm, thank heavens.

Posted by: zascot 18th Aug 2017, 05:22am

So Benidorm is not in Spain, silly me . I thought there was only one, I bow to your as normal superior knowledge.

Posted by: bilbo.s 18th Aug 2017, 06:40am

QUOTE (zascot @ 18th Aug 2017, 07:22am) *
So Benidorm is not in Spain, silly me . I thought there was only one, I bow to your as normal superior knowledge.



Now you're talking! Yes, you are incredibly silly, I agree.

Posted by: kenb 18th Aug 2017, 08:22am

bilbo do you have to be so cheeky and crass the gyour amigo wasuy was only telling the truth
about you that was a chance to find a new friend while your amigo is away

Posted by: angel 18th Aug 2017, 09:47am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 17th Aug 2017, 03:54pm) *
You are quite wrong. The Spain I live in is in a different world from Benidorm, thank heavens.


Bilbo , I have visited Benidorm a few times but only on a day trip,
because we would stay in the resort town of Albir which we prefered.
I always enjoyed the few times we were in Spain but I do prefer
the town of Fuengirola , that's more south and if it was an early spring
vacation , Fuengirola is quite a bit warmer .
Just a passing thought this morning over my tea and toast . smile.gif














Posted by: kenb 18th Aug 2017, 10:33am

well doe angel deflection no1

Posted by: JAGZ1876 19th Aug 2017, 11:33am

QUOTE (zascot @ 18th Aug 2017, 06:22am) *
So Benidorm is not in Spain, silly me . I thought there was only one, I bow to your as normal superior knowledge.


Of course Benidorm is in Spain Zascot, bilbo never said it wasn't, the point he was making was that Benidorm and where he lives is like comparing Blackpool with Stratford upon Avon, both in England but attract a different type of person.

Posted by: bilbo.s 19th Aug 2017, 01:15pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 19th Aug 2017, 01:33pm) *
Of course Benidorm is in Spain Zascot, bilbo never said it wasn't, the point he was making was that Benidorm and where he lives is like comparing Blackpool with Stratford upon Avon, both in England but attract a different type of person.


Thank you, Jagz, but I´m not confident that Zascot has the desire or the ability to understand your clarification.

Posted by: bilbo.s 19th Aug 2017, 01:32pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-gig-economy-damian-green-speech-holiday-minimum-wage-sick-pay-hours-a7421071.html

Oh dear, it seems as if the Tory vision of the future does not include those employment rights, which John.mcn never tires of telling us, that he has held long before the EU.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 19th Aug 2017, 04:28pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 19th Aug 2017, 02:15pm) *
Thank you, Jagz, but Im not confident that Zascot has the desire or the ability to understand your clarification.


I never thought about that bilbo, perhaps if i'd made a similar sneering comparison about me watching an old video about Soweto so he'll fit in perfectly in Johannesburg then he may have understood better.

What do you think? unsure.gif

Posted by: kenb 19th Aug 2017, 05:19pm

well at least jags answered the question bilbos question isee blbo is back to his sneering selfevery one else is wrong except his new friend and of course bilbo only 4name calling this time from the big brave bileboy when you call someone a name it allows me to call you bileboy

Posted by: kenb 20th Aug 2017, 05:43am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 19th Aug 2017, 02:15pm) *
Thank you, Jagz, but I´m not confident that Zascot has the desire or the ability to understand your clarification.

my "not confident" thats a new way to deflect a question then you ruin it by by name calling you can be polite to jagz when you going to learn polite to every one bile boy but we all know which campyou and your amigo are abuser of the year goes to bilbo using correct spelling to make sure no mistakes the award goes to bileboy

Posted by: carmella 25th Aug 2017, 11:17am

I am having a laugh over my coffee today at this thread.

It is so funny how people can't see when someone is having a laugh. Zascot knew exactly what he was saying about Benidorm!

Zascot has been on these boards for many years, and it has always been worth reading his posts. I miss seeing him around.

Posted by: kenb 25th Aug 2017, 01:50pm

your award is as abuser of the year goes to bilbo

Posted by: bilbo.s 25th Aug 2017, 08:20pm

QUOTE (kenb @ 25th Aug 2017, 03:50pm) *
your award is as abuser of the year goes to bilbo

You are surely due an award for your valiant efforts to construct a sentence. You have my vote and I look forward to seeing you achieve your goal.

Posted by: kenb 25th Aug 2017, 08:43pm

he he it does not work with me bile boy i want you to stop your name callingand yur down right cheek it wasnt that when you did not craft a3 letter word into your sentance still the abuser of the year mr inteligent bile boy

Posted by: Lobbey Dosser 29th Aug 2017, 01:51am

And this 2017 award for "Gratuitous Gibberish " Goes to the posts above.