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> City Centre Police Get Taser Stun Guns, New scheme to protect officers and public
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post 18th Jul 2014, 08:00am
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I completely agree that such a decision should not be made by one man, whether elected or not.

Having lived for 7 years now in a country where all police, including local police, are armed, as is the norm in many countries, I must add that it does not worry me at all.


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post 18th Jul 2014, 12:42pm
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Like you; and many other board members, Bill I live in part of Europe other than GB where police, custom officers and border gaurds are armed and this gives me no worries at all. That said, I have also lived and worked in ME countries where particular armed police and security guards gave me certain cause for concern simply because the person with his finger on the trigger showed a distinct nervousness. This of course warns one to be very careful: don't suddenly reach into your pockets, but it clearly emphasises that the wrong man is on the job.
It's no use training some one to use a weapon of any description if that person hasn't been fully trained on how and when to use it.
I don't know if competence tests are part of an officer's training curriculum in the use of, or being equiped with, weapons but it seems in a lot of instances not to be the case.
Personally I have nothing against armed police; in fact I prefer it, but I'd be happy to know that they undergo a test of competence to certify that they are at least up to carrying half the power of God on their hip rolleyes.gif


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post 20th Jul 2014, 09:25am
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Police Scotland's stop and search rate is 9 times that of NYPD.

Stephen House, MacAskill and Salmon conspired to bury this stat.

More evidence of the authoritarian state the SNP would impose by the back door.

Story from Independence supporting Sunday Herald.

BTW.

I have noticed that " The Guns " issue is growing despite the SNP supporters trying to ignore it.!


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post 20th Jul 2014, 10:02am
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QUOTE (Scotsman @ 1st May 2014, 11:36am) *
On the BBC today.... is this how people should be treated??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27225260


I missed this first time around, can you imagine the reaction if the victim was a patient, it was a hospital and a nurse jabbed something into him after he chucked his underpants. The nurse would not only be sacked but he/she would be removed from the NMC register and would lose their career.
The sort of people who support the police doing this would be up in arms about the nurse demanding charges be brought.
Nurses are threatened and assaulted quite regularly, the same sort of people who have constant run ins with the law also require the use of hospitals more than the average person, and unlike police officers the only protection they have is a fob watch or a pen.. Is there popular support for nurses to carry pepper spray or tazers, no and i dont think there is popular support for police to carry guns either.


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post 20th Jul 2014, 10:08am
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QUOTE (Dylan @ 20th Jul 2014, 10:42am) *
Police Scotland's stop and search rate is 9 times that of NYPD.

Stephen House, MacAskill and Salmon conspired to bury this stat.

More evidence of the authoritarian state the SNP would impose by the back door.

Story from Independence supporting Sunday Herald.

BTW.

I have noticed that " The Guns " issue is growing despite the SNP supporters trying to ignore it.!


not every post on here is about the snp and youl notice that most of the "snp supporters" on here have posted in this thread.

you don't even know when people are actually agreeing with you for god sake.


pure eejitry at its finest wacko.gif
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post 20th Jul 2014, 10:29am
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 20th Jul 2014, 11:19am) *
I missed this first time around, can you imagine the reaction if the victim was a patient, it was a hospital and a nurse jabbed something into him after he chucked his underpants. The nurse would not only be sacked but he/she would be removed from the NMC register and would lose their career.
The sort of people who support the police doing this would be up in arms about the nurse demanding charges be brought.
Nurses are threatened and assaulted quite regularly, the same sort of people who have constant run ins with the law also require the use of hospitals more than the average person, and unlike police officers the only protection they have is a fob watch or a pen.. Is there popular support for nurses to carry pepper spray or tazers, no and i dont think there is popular support for police to carry guns either.


The video won't play but I get the gist of your Post and agree with your sentiments.


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post 20th Jul 2014, 10:39am
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QUOTE (ktv @ 20th Jul 2014, 11:25am) *
not every post on here is about the snp and youl notice that most of the "snp supporters" on here have posted in this thread.

you don't even know when people are actually agreeing with you for god sake.


pure eejitry at its finest wacko.gif


Whit !!

Who ?


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post 20th Jul 2014, 10:44am
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twit !!

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post 20th Jul 2014, 10:47am
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the video can be seen here

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post 20th Jul 2014, 11:08am
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QUOTE (Dylan @ 20th Jul 2014, 10:42am) *
Story from Independence supporting Sunday Herald.


Did none of the other 36 Anti Scottish independence papers bother with this story then?
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post 20th Jul 2014, 11:19am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 20th Jul 2014, 12:25pm) *
Did none of the other 36 Anti Scottish independence papers bother with this story then?


ever since he declared he wasn't going to visit the indy thread again hes been trying to turn every other thread into the same subject wacko.gif
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post 20th Jul 2014, 11:55am
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No, that is CJ's job.!


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post 21st Jul 2014, 10:16am
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QUOTE (ktv @ 17th Jul 2014, 12:36pm) *
I know this pic is the US version of police (I couldn't find a uk one) but it just shows the increasing militarisation of the police forces over the years.

theres is absolutely no justification for armed police to attend minor incidents and it will only increase the chances of something going wrong.
they tried to justify it (at first) in rural areas by saying they had to back up to rely on but when they would normally reach for a baton or taser they could now as easily reach for a gun. only seemed to have happened after "police Scotland" was created too so I think macaskil has to pull his finger out and reign in House before some one gets killed by some frightened copper.

agree too that the "security" measures for the CW games take zero account of the locals in the area and can only lead to more animosity towards the police.

The pictures here show an armed response officer dressed in a fashion common to all special police forces world wide. In the U.S.A. due to all powerful gun lobby the average police force is generally out gunned by whatever street gangs, militias or just plain school kids.

I have inadvertently been present during an armed robbery that went over my head until I saw the arrival of the police. During a bank robbery of my local bank in Melbourne , my friend also from Glasgow was wounded when he jumped in front of an old lady as the bandit for no reason other than that she was there opened fire on her. Do police need fire arms? While crims are willing to gun down old ladies in broad daylight in order to get some cash for drugs, booze or holidays then 100% yes.
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post 6th Aug 2016, 09:15pm
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Inquiry launched after man pepper-sprayed by police dies

Scotland’s police watchdog has launched an investigation after a man died in hospital the day after being pepper-sprayed by police.

The police investigations and review commissioner (PIRC) said Alan Hay, 50, from Dalbeattie, was rushed to hospital when he fell ill minutes before he was due to be checked in at Barlinnie prison the day after his arrest over a disturbance.

Police Scotland officers used a pepper spray incapacitant known as Captor PAVA during the incident, which took place on Monday.

It is the second recent death involving Police Scotland’s use of pepper spray. The force is under criminal investigation by the PIRC and the Crown Office after the death of Sheku Bayoh, who died last year as he was being held down on a pavement, seconds after being hit with pepper spray and CS gas. [...]

Full story here:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/au...-by-police-dies

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post 6th Aug 2016, 11:22pm
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Agitated violent offenders frequently raise their blood pressure, heart rate and overall detrimental situations to their health and the well being of others; others who are seldom accounted for when reports such as this come into the public arena. I have said it before. You can taser me, pepper spray me, hit me with a baton but for G-D's sake don't hit me with any 9mm bullets.
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