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> Scottish Independence, About voting yes/no
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JAGZ1876
post 6th Jul 2015, 08:25am
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Funny how the media who paster their front pages with JK Rowling and Michelle Mone stories seem to have missed this cyberBritnat abuse. unsure.gif
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Melody
post 6th Jul 2015, 08:31am
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Absolutely I have Bilbo.s Is that what's wrong with this Stephenson person? laugh.gif
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serabash
post 6th Jul 2015, 08:56am
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naw she's just another educated eejit. there are plenty of them about.
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Kemedian
post 6th Jul 2015, 11:35am
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 5th Jul 2015, 05:05pm) *
EVEL only works when there is a separate legislature for constituencies in England, ie a devolved parliament with the same powers as Scotland.

It's a change in the right direction, as far as I'm concerned. thumbup.gif

I'm not in the 'Independence or Bust' fraternity.

Politics - which you say I don't understand - is all about compromise. Take Greece now, for example. Its people are saying Yes to EU membership, but No to the current offer of financial assistance from the ECB. Solution... compromise.

As you rightly pointed out to a few members on here recently, for Politics to stand a chance of guiding the people and keeping the peace, Democracy must be respected when it produces a result. I'm for change. Raising century-old Acts as argument against change is retrograde. I believe the principle behind this particular attempt will take UK Politics down the road to a place that enough people are comfortable with.

The Greeks have spoken and trusted again in their Politicians to negotiate their country's way out of its current plight. I hope things work out for them, just as I hope things work out for us. It would appear that their road to recovery is a lot longer than ours, yet not necessarily simpler to work out. History is not on Greece's side, after the EU nation defaulted on its debts, however I would contest that it is positively on our side, as we grapple with our own constitutional 'crisis'. smile.gif
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john.mcn
post 6th Jul 2015, 12:26pm
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The Greek referendum was about EU membership ???
Here me thinking it was about the austerity program offered by the ECB and the IMF, headed by Christine Lagarde who herself doesn't pay income tax, another one of those do as i say not as i do 'aristocrats'
There was no EU membership vote and the worst case scenario about the financial crisis seems to be Greece leaving the Euro, not the EU.
Why you bring up Greece in a debate about these new 'powers' we may or may not get is beyond me, is it because the definition of politics is derived from Greek or you're just trying to avoid the questioning of your points.

I still dont quite get why you're hyping the proposed power of elections being transferred to Holyrood, citing the FPTP system as undemocratic when its Westminster where the SG government has no influence that FPTP rules supreme.
I also still dont get why you are pro EVEL but are quite happy for non Scottish MP's to veto Scotland only bills, do you understand what double standards means.

I think most people get that you're not in the 'Independence or Bust' fraternity, its quite obvious you are firmly in the anything but independence camp, even when whats being proposed is ridiculous your Union blinkers means you cant see it. For proof check your 'the SG is permanent' posts when i have said it could be disbanded by Westminster, yet when the SNP amendment 58 devolves that power to Holyrood and the Scottish people (voted down by Tories) you about turn and claim the SG cannot be permanent.


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post 6th Jul 2015, 12:45pm
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 6th Jul 2015, 01:34pm) *
The Greek referendum was about EU membership ???

Why you bring up Greece in a debate about these new 'powers' we may or may not get is beyond me.

I still dont quite get why you're hyping the proposed power of elections being transferred to Holyrood.

In separate polls the Greeks express a desire to stay in the EU.

I am making a wider comment about the Political process.

It's simple. Two words: total control* .


* Where we need it, at Holyrood.
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serabash
post 6th Jul 2015, 01:03pm
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last night when the full count wasn't in but it was 51% for no the tories were saying on the bbc that 51% was not a big enough majority to be accepted. unsure.gif strange they were happy to accept it in the scottish referendum eh?
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Kemedian
post 6th Jul 2015, 01:07pm
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At least get your figures right, Serabash.
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serabash
post 6th Jul 2015, 02:01pm
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they are right. at the point they were discussing it was 51% anything over 50% is a majority. strange they call it not acceptable.
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post 6th Jul 2015, 02:13pm
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sorry I confused you with the 4% difference lol.
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post 6th Jul 2015, 02:43pm
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QUOTE (serabash @ 6th Jul 2015, 03:09pm) *
At the point they were discussing it was 51%. Anything over 50% is a majority. Strange they call it not acceptable.

You call 55% "rigged".
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serabash
post 6th Jul 2015, 03:35pm
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YES it was rigged .
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post 6th Jul 2015, 03:47pm
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Strange you think 55% is not acceptable. wink.gif
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serabash
post 6th Jul 2015, 03:53pm
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it wasn't 55% though that is the problem wink.gif it was rigged.
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Cosmo
post 6th Jul 2015, 05:16pm
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Thank goodness the people of Scotland voted to remain in the Union.After seeing what Greece has been through let the lesson be learned ,We are better Together.
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