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> Should Scotland Accept 10000 Migrants, The immigration crisis into Europe
carmella
post 4th Sep 2015, 08:06pm
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Unfortunately, these scenes that are played out on the media day in and day out are, so far as I can determine only the tip of the iceberg.

I see this as such a horrendous human tragedy, an Exodus in biblical terms, which numbers will only increase through time. Those who are funding ISIS should be held accountable.

A settlement of some description, and a meeting of EU leaders surely must be imminent. These people are trying to get away from an increasingly terrible regime in the name of religion. I can think of no-one who has a kind heart, being able to watch such misery and fear in little children, at least their parents understand but these children have no clue.

It is such a sad thing to be going on. I do earnestly believe, however, that it's only the beginning.


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post 4th Sep 2015, 09:21pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 4th Sep 2015, 09:10pm) *
In other words flam - we're damned if we do, and we are damned if we don't, by that I mean the UK as a whole.


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post 4th Sep 2015, 09:22pm
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The EU needs to implement emergency measures to safeguard these vulnerable people, until it is safe enough for them to return home.

I am in favour of granting temporary asylum in the UK to as many as we can take. I have respect for anyone who is prepared to attempt the journeys these people are making, especially those also risking the lives of their own families. These people share my view of the World, and they have my sympathy for the way the World has so far let them down.

No-one should be expected to live under threat of death; not by war, persecution or deprivation. However, the other side of this token is that foreign refugees should be expected (with our continued help and support) to want to return to their countries. I do not want to believe that anyone brave enough to risk everything to get here would then refuse to rebuild their homeland when the chance arose.

One good turn deserves another.

I am convinced that all the countries that can should work together to save all those people whose plight is only too obvious. Those countries who refuse to help must be shamed by their inaction. The time has come for European as well as World leaders to prove their worth and provide an answer to the human crisis on their doorstep.

I would not put a limit on the number of these multinational refugees who must be accepted throughout the World and, crucially in conjunction with a massive humanitarian operation, their countries of origin should also become the focus of an international effort to restore meaningful peace and security, to facilitate their eventual return to the life and home they lost.

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post 4th Sep 2015, 09:32pm
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The Visegrad Group of countries (Hungary, Poland and the Czech and Slovak republics) have rejected any EU forced quotas of migrants.

http://www.vlada.cz/en/media-centrum/aktua...d-group-134161/

The cracks are beginning to show, Germany helped create this Tsunami and expects every EU country to bail them out...Not going to happen by the looks of it.


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post 4th Sep 2015, 10:25pm
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You are right, the cracks are beginning to show, and this is only the start - there is plenty of time for it to overwhelm.

There are Arab leaders, and there are many members of the Saudi Royal family who have amassed great personal wealth, enough to fund a small nation, and feed many people for several years, if they parted with some of their wealth. The Saudis are not the only ones, all over the Arab nation there are people with amazing wealth who could help, even if offering money to the EU countries who will take some refugees in.

Why, therefore, does it always seem to fall upon the EU and the west to help these people. We are constantly told how caring Islam is, so I think it is time they showed their fellow Muslims some solidarity, and helped in whatever way they can.


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post 4th Sep 2015, 11:27pm
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QUOTE (flam @ 4th Sep 2015, 08:43pm) *
Although I would welcome 5000 of the Syrian Migrants to Scotland the problem is once they are settled here, I would not want them to start the usual Islamic/Muslim rights problem, criticising the Scottish Government.


Helo Flam

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so please don't take this as a criticism. I just want to know what your rationale is for welcoming 5000. Why not 1000, 10,000? How did you arrive at 5000. Where would you house them? Don't choose the North of Scotland because they are short of doctors up there and can't attract new ones. Also the Scottish Government is going to withdraw funding for local NHS dentistry practices in the Grantown area, meaning that people will have to travel large distances to get to Inverness. It also appears that the policy makers think we have too many local police stations, so when your proposed 5000 migrants come here, I take it you have taken this and other local Scottish issues, like housing and employment, into account. Anybody can pull a number out of a hat. That is what politicians are doing.

We can forget about the migrants going back home. For some reason which bewilders me, it has taken photos of a wee dead boy to (according to the media) stir the hearts of millions of people into taking action to help the refugees! For God's sake! This is the reality of warfare. This is what happens during wars. If Social media was around during two world wars, we would have seen millions of similar photos with millions of dead children including British ones. This isn't going to stop ISIS or so called people smugglers.

The migrants wont be going home because we are in for the long hall. This was started with the so called 9/11. What did Britain and the USA do? They bombed Iraq. I believe the culprits of the 9/11 attacks were Saudi's not Iraqies. Did the media send photos, of the children killed in our name, around the world? We opened a can of worms. There can be no victory in Syria. Different factions are fighting each other and will be for years to come.

What I believe we should be concerned with is the future of OUR children and future generations. You say you are concerned about them starting their usual Islamic rights problems. My concern is that what happened in Fiji will be repeated here. I have mentioned this on another topic, but it is worth mentioning again.

The British took hundreds of Asian migrant workers to the Fiji Islands. The descendants of those workers are now the majority in Fiji, both in political power and population. This isn't a racist statement it is fact.

How many of those unaccompanied young guys staging the protests in Hungary are ISIS operatives forcing their way over here by sheer mass numbers? The men who killed the British soldier, Lee Rigby, were young men who were taken in as refugees here. Some thanks, eh?

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post 5th Sep 2015, 01:35am
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QUOTE (Doug1 @ 4th Sep 2015, 06:52pm) *
I do think we should help out but I agree with the gist of your post. Recent reports quote potentially millions of asylum seekers from the middle east and Africa could want to come to Europe.


We already have a large amount of Africans in Australia Doug, and all white from South Africa,also Zimbabwe.
So why is the world turning against those people from Syria and the Middle East, they are GENUINE refugees.
South Africans then should have not been alllowed to settle in Australia, etc, as they were only getting out with their money and valuables, because the true Africans got their country back from years of corrupt white rule.
They were NOT asylum seekers, yet we took them in.
So why does the world not take in genuine asylum seekers, not the likes of white Africans, fleeing because of a change of government.
And you Mr Greeve would know all about that.
We have a lunatic of a prime minister saying we must protect our borders.
What BORDERS? We are an island nation, miles away from other countries, a lot of people have drowned trying to reach our shores.
Thn if they do get here they are sent to inhuman conditions at Nahuru or Manus island.
Kids being held in prison camp conditions, women being raped by guards paid by the Australian government.
Wee should be taking in more asylums seekers from Syria and Iraqi
Next week this senile prime minister will probably give the go ahead to stick his nose in the bombing of Syria, creating more refugees.
Remember a place called Vietnam Abbott, you imbecile of a prime minister.
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post 5th Sep 2015, 03:35am
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I have just heard on the late news ,that the refugees walking from Hungary to Austria and Germany , will be allowed into those countries and now Hungary has sent buses to take the refugees there , that is great news . I also understood that the refugees did have train ticket's to get them to Germany , I'm wondering if they can use them on those Buses , biggrin.gif

Now all Canada has to do is send planes and pick up more refugees in the other countries . and stop talking a load of bull .

Don't know if Harper will do that , if he does , then it would not be the first time that Canada has done so . It's time to cut out all the red tape .

Also never mind that Syrian civil war at this time , it will go on forever anyway . so just lets deal with giving a safe and humane haven to those desperate peoples.


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post 5th Sep 2015, 05:31am
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QUOTE (mitchell @ 5th Sep 2015, 03:43am) *
We already have a large amount of Africans in Australia Doug, and all white from South Africa,also Zimbabwe.

So why is the world turning against those people from Syria and the Middle East, they are GENUINE refugees.

South Africans then should have not been alllowed to settle in Australia, etc, as they were only getting out with their money and valuables, because the true Africans got their country back from years of corrupt white rule.

They were NOT asylum seekers, yet we took them in.

So why does the world not take in genuine asylum seekers, not the likes of white Africans, fleeing because of a change of government.

And you Mr Greeve would know all about that.


1. Mitchell you need to keep of the bevy when posting such utter drivel as this one.
Personally I know of a few BLACK South Africans living in Aussie land, keep your racist opinions to yourself.

2. South Africans emigrated all over the world after the fall of Apartheid. They applied were accepted and walked in the front door, just like any Scotsman did. Yes Dopy just like you, they are the exact same as you.

3. Why would I know of any South Africans fleeing, the only people I personally knew that ran away to Australia were Scots and English.

4. I choose to live in Africa, I never chose to move from a lily white Scotland to another lily white country Australia.

5. Going by your knowledge of how to spell Scots name you should never have been let out of Kennyhill.
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post 5th Sep 2015, 06:12am
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Who is talking about coloured South Africans?
Did someone bomb the hell out of South Africa to create an asylum problem, No, they (whites) got out in their droves, and the ones left deserve all they get from the years of abusing Black S. Africans.
And to be quite honest here, I know of Black S. Africans also and they are nice people compaired to the arrogant Afrikaans living here at the moment.
We are talking here out genuine asylum seekers who desperately need a country to,settle in.
Not S.Africian whites who plundered the country of money and declared it was not safe to live in.
as for your last comment, just shows how ignorant you really are, regarding your past history.
Tell you what, would love to to call you by by the name that you deserve, as you seem to get away with a lot of name calling on this board.
Get a life, there is a world outside the hi-tech electric fences, and security that has been established in your part of the world.
Those people in Europe desperately need help, and Britain should be held responsible for them along with the other countries who are bombing the hell out of their country.
Not like some of the migrants who came to Australia with loads of money in their pockets and were granted permission to stay.
Those people do not have money, or even decent clothes to wear, and deserve a better life than the one that they have at the moment.
All thanks to the likes of the USA and her friends.
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post 5th Sep 2015, 07:01am
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QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 5th Sep 2015, 06:39am) *
1. Mitchell you need to keep of the bevy when posting such utter drivel as this one.
Personally I know of a few BLACK South Africans living in Aussie land, keep your racist opinions to yourself.


Racist opinions, are you having a laugh here?
What is racist about my post?
Did I mention coloured people in the first post?
Get your facts right.
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post 5th Sep 2015, 01:16pm
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QUOTE (mitchell @ 5th Sep 2015, 01:43am) *
We already have a large amount of Africans in Australia Doug, and all white from South Africa,also Zimbabwe.
So why is the world turning against those people from Syria and the Middle East, they are GENUINE refugees.
South Africans then should have not been alllowed to settle in Australia, etc, as they were only getting out with their money and valuables, because the true Africans got their country back from years of corrupt white rule.
They were NOT asylum seekers, yet we took them in.
So why does the world not take in genuine asylum seekers, not the likes of white Africans, fleeing because of a change of government.
And you Mr Greeve would know all about that.
We have a lunatic of a prime minister saying we must protect our borders.
What BORDERS? We are an island nation, miles away from other countries, a lot of people have drowned trying to reach our shores.
Thn if they do get here they are sent to inhuman conditions at Nahuru or Manus island.
Kids being held in prison camp conditions, women being raped by guards paid by the Australian government.
Wee should be taking in more asylums seekers from Syria and Iraqi
Next week this senile prime minister will probably give the go ahead to stick his nose in the bombing of Syria, creating more refugees.
Remember a place called Vietnam Abbott, you imbecile of a prime minister.

And I (suppose in your indignation John Howard was denigrated as "LITTLE Johnny" who incidentally created more jobs and prosperity for Australia since the era of Menzies. Abbot is not "senile" Imbecilic" when using these terms you display the political acumen of a true socialismic in the mould of Bill Shorten, who yesterday attempted to make political point scoring from the "dead toddler" this to my disgust and his eternal shame. And The Great Julia also as Shorten was, and still is being, investigated for political corruption before a royal commission.

What Abbot did do was stop the economic illegal influx of every and any coming here to drain the welfare purse of Australia dry. Before you high-jack the "compassionista" debate for your own socialistic view of running a state of off the cuff diktats, find out (easy done) just how many of Rudd's and Gillard's boat people are in employment 10 years after gaining their freedom do what they came here for. And another ignored fact on the part of the socialising activists of greater LABOR, Australia takes in more "legal" (according to the U.N. charter) than any other country outside of the U.S.A. and Canada. Another two wickedly unsocialist countries.
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From the BBC today:
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Glasgow City Council agrees to take extra refugees

Scotland's largest council has agreed to accommodate another 60 refugees amid the ongoing crisis in Europe as people flee from war-torn Syria. Glasgow City Council said it had already provided homes to 55 people from Syria but this was "not enough".

It said taking in more people was "simply the right thing to do".

Prime Minister David Cameron has said the UK will provide homes for "thousands" more refugees in response to the worsening humanitarian crisis.

Glasgow City Council depute leader, Archie Graham, said:

"Glasgow has a proud history of welcoming refugees and we have already provided a home to 55 Syrians who have fled the war in their home country. However, this is not enough and we have agreed to take in more people who require our assistance. Helping vulnerable people who are fleeing war and persecution is simply the right thing to do."

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A statement from the Archbishop of Glasgow on the subject:
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"Every so often a picture changes history. An image captured through a camera lens speaks more eloquently to the hearts of people than a thousand sermons or political speeches.

"I remember the impact of the famous photo in the 1960s when I was a student, of the young Vietnamese girl running for her life, burnt with napalm. For many people it summed up the futility and horror of the Vietnam War and probably hastened its end.

"A similar landmark moment occurred, I think, last Wednesday evening when the images of Aylan Kurdi, the tiny child whose drowned body summed up the horror of the human crisis facing Europe, flashed across computer and TV screens.

"Who, on seeing that tiny body, inert as the waves washed over his face, every detail of his humanity on show, down to the soles of his trainers, doubtless recently bought by loving parents, could help but weep?

"I watched with amazement in the course of the week as various tabloids and politicians redefined what they meant by a 'crisis of immigration'.

"At the start of last week, that “crisis” was the fact that 300,000 more people had entered the UK than left it last year. (The fact that most were EU citizens coming to work here was an inconvenient detail which was largely omitted from the hysteria.)

"Just as the “crisis” headlines hit the press, the real crisis manifested itself in a refrigerated truck in an Austrian lay-by which had turned into a death chamber for 70 or more poor men, women and children. And what of the 200 or so who died trying to make the crossing from Libya to Italy?

"That detail wasn’t regarded as a crisis, perhaps because it happened far from the smartphone screens of western society.

"It took the poignant, tragic, senseless horror of little Aylan lying lifeless on that beach to bring our society to its senses.

"In my view the refugee crisis is a test, not of political shrewdness, but of common humanity. What is happening in the Mediterranean, Calais and other access points is a heartless affront to human dignity.

"The UK should be generous in providing a haven for refugees and asylum-seekers; Britain’s policy in the Mediterranean of rescue and deposit elsewhere is mean-spirited and unhelpful to the nations who are bearing the brunt of the migrations, especially Italy and Greece.

"Yesterday, the Prime Minister made a welcome but vague promise to allow in more desperate people fleeing chaos, but appeared to offer no hope to those who have already reached Europe. Instead extra effort goes in to procuring newer, sharper, higher, barbed wire fences to keep out the desperate refugees at Calais.

"Pope Francis in recent remarks on the subject, was typically blunt. He called the rejection of human beings fleeing violence “an act of war”.

"The victims of that war, that murder, are sometimes invisible to us. Their invisibility allows us to feign ignorance of their human plight.

"After seeing that iconic image of little Aylan, that defence of ignorance is gone. It is time to open our hearts and open our borders."

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My-My ! , the replies to GGs previous two posts have been "DEAFINING " but once again , for what it is worth " I say , Amen , to both posts ."


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