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> St Kentigerns Cemetery, Saddened by the state of the place
mlconnelly
post 24th Mar 2014, 07:48pm
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I was up at St Kentigern's cemetery last week and was extremely shocked and saddened by the state of the place. The cemetery is so badly waterlogged I couldn't get near to my aunts grave either by car or on foot for fear of getting stuck in the mud. I phoned GCC to complain but got absolutely nowhere as its just a call centre but I was told someone would be in touch. My cousin was up over the weekend and phoned GCC this morning to complain and, guess what, got absolutely nowhere. I phoned this afternoon and asked for the name of the person in charge of Park Services and surprise surprise, no one knows who that is or they can't give me that information. I did a little digging and now know the name of the Executive Director of Land and Environmental Services, so I'm now on a mission. He will very soon be receiving a letter from me, which I'm sure will be the 1st of many, not only about the state of the cemetery but also about a customer service department that either cannot or will not supply customer service. I know over the years people have been lead to believe that damage has been caused by vandals and that may hold some truth but I'm inclined to think most of the damage has be caused by a lack of drainage. Mary angry.gif sad.gif
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post 24th Mar 2014, 08:30pm
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Hi Mary, l have been complaining for years, I cant go to my dads and grandparent grave if it has been raining as it is like a swamp, you complain and they do nothing, it is so depressing to think of your loved ones being there. As you say they need to spend money and drain the place and clean the place to a higher standard, there never seems to be anyone at the office at the graveyard or should I say no one seems to answer when you knock on the door. I will be sending a letter tomorrow as it has been weeks since I have been to the cemetery because it is to bad to get to my dads grave. Cathy.
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post 24th Mar 2014, 10:42pm
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Why is it that every other day in Glasgow and it's suroundsI read of monuments, historic places,cemeteries,listed buildings,urban neighbourhood blight,parks, being torn down or forgotten and yet lots of threads on here say how wonderful it is in Glasgow....I think in my and my parents days we were a prouder lot.
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post 24th Mar 2014, 10:43pm
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Hi Cathy, can I ask who you write to. I filled in the complaints form online today but I'm not particularly hopeful about the answer I will get, assuming I even get one. My aunts grave is in section 21 and I would guess your dad must be close by and when I was up just after Xmas it was nowhere near as bad as it was last week which is the worst I have ever seen it. Even the entrance at Tresta Rd is a disgrace with all the potholes. My Dad's has had his parents headstone repaired twice in recent years the 1st time may or may not have been caused by vandals but the 2nd time was definitely caused by water and it now looks like my aunts stone is now starting to move too. As I said I'm now on a mission and I'm seriously considering starting one of these online petitions, I wonder how many signatures I'd get. Mary
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post 25th Mar 2014, 08:24am
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Mary, I've not visited for a wee while now but I don't doubt what you say about the state of the place. It's possible that you online petition would attract signatures but, unlike when we were a bit younger, there is not the kind numbers going to visit family graves these days.

I can anticipate that you will eventually get a response from the Council which will cite the budget cuts as the reason for the current state of the cemetery.


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post 25th Mar 2014, 08:56am
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My dad is buried in that place. I have never been back and will always remember how desolate it was that day back in March '85, wet and windy and depressing. Mary, the picture you have painted in my head reinforces that image and it is a disgrace to think that it has been allowed to deteriorate like that.

Way back, in'68, I would think nothing of walking over there from Milton, with a bag of books, to study for my O Levels. The surroundings were pleasant enough to sit in and, at that age, certainly for me, death hadn't even touched me. These days it has in many ways and I often think of what I would want for myself. Definitely not to be laid to rest somewhere neglected and, worse still, vandalized. The arrogance of youth, how could they?

I will probably opt for cremation unless I could be sure I would get a place somewhere like this, where my husband's aunt was laid to rest last summer. A perfect ending. Where the land meets the sea.

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post 25th Mar 2014, 11:49am
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Sorry to hear this but not surprised as if its not some cooncillors wee pet project then there will be no money allocated to it by the city council. You think of all the men and women who worked hard to make Glasgow a great city and think how the council has just neglected their memories. Yes of course the council will say it is budget cuts but they always find the millions for stupid projects that ordinary people dont agree with.
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post 25th Mar 2014, 03:04pm
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Ash, I agree and was just saying the same thing to my Dad today. I think people gave up visiting when the saw how bad things became and no one making any effort to put it right. One of my Dads sisters die at just 15 month and we've only recently found out where she is buried and had a stone put on the grave which in the 2 or so short years its been there, is already sinking. It just makes me so angry when I think of the amount of money being wasted on things like the George Square fiasco.
GQ we used to go to the cemetery every Sunday after mass, firstly from Cowcaddens then from Milton, sometime we would even take a picnic with us as we'd be there all day.
I've only going back up in the last 2 or 3 years as I've been trying to plot as many family graves as possible to tie up branches of my family tree. I think I've also adopted Rond's grandparents as part of my family since I found their grave for him a while ago and always stop to say "hello" when I do my rounds, laugh.gif . Mary
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post 25th Mar 2014, 06:52pm
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hi mary i complained to the parks dept this was about 3yrs ago i have complained a few times after i first complained,like you no response .my family is in lambhill and the whole lot of that part is a disgrace,i will sign a petition and i sent a letter today, i have to hold my trousers up so i dont get soaked when going to my dads and then i have to clean my boots before i get into the car as its so bad with mud. angry.gif
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post 25th Mar 2014, 10:06pm
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I put in a complain via the online complaints form but I now have the name and address of the Executive Director of Land and Environmental Services. His name is Brian Devlin,231 George S., Glasgow, G1 1RX and his email address is brian.devlin @Glasgow.gov.uk. If I have no joy from him then I go to George Black who is Chief Executive @ City Chambers. Mary
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post 25th Mar 2014, 10:07pm
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Mary, I remember it was the thing to do, walk out to the cemetery. You would see lots of families doing the same on a Sunday afternoon. Stop off at Hannah's cafe for chips or ice cream on the way back.

If I remember correctly, it was like that in my mum's day too, a nice walk out to the cemetery from Possil. This would have been in the early 30s probably, when she was a teenager. Somewhere I have a photo of her and her friend taken in Balmore Road, done up to the nines for a stroll. I think photographers must have taken their photos and they bought them later.

By the sounds of it, not the place to stroll to these days, not without your wellies anyway!

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post 25th Mar 2014, 10:29pm
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Mary, maybe you should try writing to the Newspapers and see what kind of response it gets from the public.

That's if the letter gets published.


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post 27th Mar 2014, 09:44am
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That has crossed my mind Heather. I complained twice, once by phone and once by their online complaints form and low and behold I had a phone call yesterday from the council assuring me that Bereavement Services would look into the matter. According the lady who call me," this is a tricky problem as it requires surveyors to go to the cemetery and assess the situation" and I would receive a letter from the in due course. Whats tricky about it, the water needs draining and the pathways need to be resurfaced. I will now give them the benefit of the doubt and give them time to assess the problem and to see what their decision may be but I will be writing to Brian Devlin if the response I get is not satisfactory and will write to him as often as is needed till something gets done. Mary
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post 7th Apr 2014, 10:07am
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A wee update. I have been contacted by Bereavement Services twice in the last week and I am hoping to have a meeting with a man named David McColl from BS to discuss what can be done at the cemetery sometime this week. Mary

PS. Just had another call as I was typing . I will be meeting him on Wednesday @ St Kentigerns. Keeping everything crossed. rolleyes.gif
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post 7th Apr 2014, 06:22pm
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http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.ph...=lostpassformHi folks !! just new to the forum and not sure how it works. My grandparents are in lambhill but how do I begin to look for their resting places like the song says " where do I begin"? .....maggie


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