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TeeHeeHee Posted 22nd Sep 2017, 11:52am
 
QUOTE (Scotsman @ 5th Jan 2015, 11:46am) *
...where the communities were broke up and the people thrown to the far corners of Glasgow leaving them isolated and abandoned ...

A shrewd point made there, Scotsman.

When individuals seek their lot in territories new they are oft-times regarded as being adventurus; happy-go-lucky, types but when tribes; and we are tribal, are uprooted from their forests and relocated in, for them, unfamiliar surroundings there must be dire feelings of isolation and abandonment.

The Ring Road Project cut a great swathe through the forest of the indigenous natives of the Toonheid who were first uprooted and then abandoned in fields too new to develope any kind of culture: Castlemilk and The Big E spring to mind.

When I first read Onyer's "Parly Road" I was only reading a wee novel; in weegie parlez too, in chapters before pitting the licht oot an' gawn tae sleep and at first wished he had used proper English instead but then as I got into the series I realised this author was telling his story his way and had been there and got the T shirt.
I can't tell you how many times I've gone back to the first page of the first book and read it all through again and dying tae get ma hands on the next in the series as soon as it became available on Kindle. (I'm in the middle of "The Lost Boy and The Gardener's Daughter: my favourite, again).

It's fictional of course but we say that don't we?
taurus Posted 22nd Sep 2017, 06:37am
  We lived in Forrestfield St , Garngad,,overlooking the steel works and the gas works with a view from our top story flat to Bothwell on a clear day.The whole street had nothing but single ends and was a "lovely red building",but a slum just the same with 4 doors on the stair and 2 toilets to share. One neighbour told me then in about 1960 she`d been to the Mitchell library and saw the plans for the future of the area. I didn`t even know where the Mitchell library was,,and wasn`t interested,but when my husband went to the Corporation he was told 20 years on the waiting list to get re - housed,we went to Australia. As it eventually turned out,what the neighbour saw in the Mitchell came to pass,so 20 years was the wrong answer from the corporation .
When I was very young and growing up in Bridgeton,how I envied those who moved away to Pollock and Carntyne .( Easterhouse and Barlanark came much later.)
I am not blinkered about the slum conditions in our room and kitchen ,with the house over run with mice,in our shoes ,everywhere,but over and above that,the sense of family with all the familiar neighbours around us,we knew the names of every single family up every close,it was HOME. No other word to describe it,the living conditions faded in to the background ,when our good neighbours were all in the same boat. Gradually,one by one they moved away,until we were left with no familiar faces around us,as the good people moved on and up,in moved the scruff,and life as we knew it disintegrated. Tragic.My mother never saw a day coming when there would be no dozens of shops around the corner,and in every street,so she flatly refused to put her name down for a "new house",and we got stuck in a rut.When I come back to Glasgow,often,I see a different place to what I left,but when that plane is descending to Glasgow airport my heart skips a beat,and always will.
TeeHeeHee Posted 22nd Sep 2017, 12:45am
 
QUOTE (Onyir @ 15th Nov 2014, 08:33pm) *
A slideshow of a Glasgow childhood in the Toonheid tenements in the 1960s:-



Hi Onyir,
Havin' a walk doon memory lane here and 12 seconds in I see a James Hemphill road tanker surrounded by weans. I worked from 1960 as an apprentice plater and boilermaker for a firm called Macleod & Miller where we had the use of one half of a building belonging to the Dechmont coal briquet plant near Halfway (Haufwies) Cambuslang. That's where we made those tanks on the back of that lorry. Hemphill gave us an old lorry on which we put steel plates to cover the rotted wooden boards on the back. I was helping our driver to deliver steel plates to a site in the toon when whizzing through Brigton Cross they all slid off from the left side. Lucky no-one was decapitated that busy day. Another time taking material up to a distillery warehouse (Tomatin) the cops stopped us for the unpteenth time and we had to wait till a wagon with a crane came and, genuinly, tipped our old Hemphill truck onto it's side off the road; load and all, then told us to contact the firm to have it removed.
Aye, they didnae muck aboot in the auld days laugh.gif
Onyir Posted 5th Jan 2015, 10:46pm
  I was born in Murray Street just opposite Rattrays Bike shop before moving to Couper Street and then Montrose Street from 1963 - 1969. The closemouth in Montrose Street had tiles all the way up. We stayed on the top floor that seemingly had been used as a doctors surgery at the turn of the century... which was great, seeing as there was 7 weans. I agree there were parts of the buildings in the area that would have been classed as a derelict slum however, the point I was making was that with a wee bit of imagination, the outcomes for the community could have been different. You only have to look at other areas in the city where the sandstone building were renovated and not torn down to see what could have been. Remember these buildings had been standing for over a hundred years and had very little improvement / investments done to them. The video shows the state of the back courts and the stair head windows. How many of the concrete prefabs that replaced them stood the test of time? I spoke with a town planner who was working in the renovated communities in the 60s and he told me that he was ashamed of what him and his peers had inflicted on the city. I'm not thinking back through rose tinted glasses. It is people that make a community. Scattered people to the winds, however benevolent it may have appeared at the time, wasn't the answer. Plenty of people, who reflected back to what they missed after being moved out, spoke of the loss of community. All I was saying is it could have been done better if the city fathers had engaged with those more directly affected by their actions rather than listen to city planners who had 'cities of the future' i.e. concrete jungles, floating about in their technical college heads.
Dave Grieve Posted 5th Jan 2015, 02:42pm
 
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 5th Jan 2015, 03:38pm) *
I mean no offence to anyone here, but I worked as a Christmas postman in 1960/61 in the Townhead/Dobbies Loan area, and I have never before or since seen such squalor. My own area of Shettleston was hardly the most salubrious, but seemed like paradise compared to what I saw then, and the memories are still vivid. How anyone can romanticise these areas must be some warped kind of nostalgia.

Take the people out of the equation Bill, what made the area a slum and with hindesite could nothing have been done to rehabilitate the tenements?
The tenement that Zascot and I grew up in Kyle st was only fit for pulling down however across the st the tenement on the corner of Kyle st and Couper st could have and should have been renovated, granted with proper modernization the same number of families would never have been allowed back into the building however the community would have survived, there were umpteen buildings that could have been modernised but the powers that be decided otherwise, and decided a scorched earth policy was best. and I am not looking back through a rose tinted memory.
petunia Posted 5th Jan 2015, 02:08pm
  They took people out of their communities and put them into these housing schemes ok they had more room, hot and cold running water, bathrooms etc but they also brought their mentality with them, the kids then had to travel a long way to school (as there were none in the schemes) at that time back into Glasgow, I for one was the youngest of my family and when all the others left school I had to move to another school which I hated in another part of Glasgow and before long these schemes were no better than where a lot of these people had come from so the powers that be just moved people out of Glasgow into sometimes bigger ghettos with a promise of better living standards. That said there was a lot of old tenements in Glasgow that should have been demolished long before they were but the people your neighbours were unreplaceable. Tally Rand I don't think anyone born and raised in the tenements ever had a romantic views of them fitting 7 people into one room day and night, no one I know anyway.
bilbo.s Posted 5th Jan 2015, 01:21pm
  I mean no offence to anyone here, but I worked as a Christmas postman in 1960/61 in the Townhead/Dobbies Loan area, and I have never before or since seen such squalor. My own area of Shettleston was hardly the most salubrious, but seemed like paradise compared to what I saw then, and the memories are still vivid. How anyone can romanticise these areas must be some warped kind of nostalgia.
Tally Rand Posted 5th Jan 2015, 12:39pm
 
QUOTE (GG @ 1st Jan 2015, 06:34pm) *
Arrant nonsense. That is the standard tired excuse espoused by increasingly desperate Labour party apologists who have run our city into the ground over the last seven decades, destroying huge swathes of communities and undermining the quality of life for hundreds of thousands of Glaswegians to such an extent that we have suffered the worst levels of health, education and social deprivation of any city in the UK. These same contemptible Labour party apologists are cognisant of the institutionalised ineptitude and corruption that provided the backdrop to the destruction and devastation of our city. The Tories, of course, had a significant hand in the idealogical, economic and psychological attack on Glasgow, but it is the self-serving Labour party cronies – increasingly controlled from a regressive and dystopian London citadel – that put boots on the ground to do the dirty work.

GG.

While I am inclined towards your view of Labour, having lived in rat infested slums in Glasgow, one brass tap, one light bulb per room, no toilet that would but grace the third world, only hot water boiled on a tiny smelly gas stove; what else but pull them down. The romantic view of Glasgow's slums leaves me wondering did those enamoured by that life ever live there? Or are they consumed by an imagined nostalgia having no memories of anything but that.

I saw nothing to match the slums of Glasgow docklands until I reached Calcutta.
Heather Posted 5th Jan 2015, 11:55am
  When still a School girl living in a room & kitchen with ten of a family in a wee street just off the Garscube Road, we moved in April 1953 to a 5 apartment semi detached house in Barlanark and we loved it.
We felt like toffs. laugh.gif

Barlanark was just being built at that time so everything was brand new with plenty of fields to play in.

That part of the Garscube Road does not exist anymore and that is a good thing as it was mostly slums.
Scotsman Posted 5th Jan 2015, 10:46am
 
QUOTE (Onyir @ 2nd Jan 2015, 06:20pm) *
I suppose the issue for me and a lot of other people who were born and brought up in the tenements was the assumption by The Corporation planners and councillors that all who lived up a close wanted to move out to better houses e.g. ones that had inside toilets etc. Obviously, everyone wanted those, but it was the final destination for people that was the issue. Breaking up communities, who'd thrived as a living hub for generations, and decamping them into housing estates with little infrastructure like shops, pubs etc. and expecting people to get on with it was tragic. The joys of having an inside toilet soon wore off when people stood back and took in where they'd been decanted to. It was a long tome ago now, but how many people on the Guide Boards and other social media sites express sorrow about what happened to them and the communities they were born into?

Well said Sir!! I seen this loads of times myself where the communities were broke up and the people thrown to the far corners of Glasgow leaving them isolated and abandoned. And like you say of course we all wanted better facilities like the indoor bathroom and stuff but that could have been done properly by doing the best of what was there already and adding to it in a sensible way.... not just demolishing everything and then starting again every few decades. Yes many people still feel sorrow for this but the brown envelope has always talked louder in Glasgow than what the voice of ordinary people!!
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