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Posted by: Isobel 14th Dec 2012, 06:52pm

Massive tragedy in Connecticut Us. 18 kids are dead. At this time not sure how many of the staff have also been killed.Can you imagine the parents hearing this news days before Christmas.I am hoping none of wee Mags grand kids are involved in this.

Posted by: Doug1 14th Dec 2012, 07:11pm

I've just picked this up on the news. With you Isobel on all you say especially about Mags. Ever so tragic and devastating to all involved. Deepest sympathies to all the families and friends

Posted by: wee mags 14th Dec 2012, 07:38pm

I would like to let you all know that Thank god my youngest grandaughter who lives in Newtown and goes to school there is safe ,my son let me know ,my heart and prayers go out to the other children and the teachers who witnessed this horrible thing and to the parents who have to face it my god hoe awful ,
my next comment is WHY????????????innocent children who never hurt anyone ,what has the world come to ? thank you all for your concern Mags

Posted by: Isobel 14th Dec 2012, 07:44pm

Thank god Mags. I am happy you posted so fast. I had a feeling that someone in your family lived in the area.So sad , why oh why do they allow them to buy guns?. I will never understand that.

Posted by: GG 14th Dec 2012, 07:56pm

A most terrible tragedy. Awful scenes.

Thanks for letting us know your family is safe, wee mags.

GG

Posted by: Ossie 14th Dec 2012, 08:19pm

I'm at a loss trying to express my feelings . Absolutely tragic.

Posted by: Dylan 14th Dec 2012, 08:29pm

I also am at a loss to comprehend this tragedy.Words fail me.

Good news about your wee Grandaughter Mags.

The American Gun Lobby will be preparing their press release. angry.gif

Posted by: Anne1 14th Dec 2012, 09:06pm

So glad Lexi is safe Margaret, god help all those other Mums & Dads who have lost a child, what has the world become when wee innocent souls are murdered by some animal sad.gif

Posted by: A Mackinnon 14th Dec 2012, 09:20pm

What a terrible tragedy committed by a cowardly bastard, killing a classroom full of wee weans & their teacher(s) May he burn in hell forever.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Dec 2012, 09:32pm

Mindless....Why?

Posted by: Heather 14th Dec 2012, 09:38pm

Mags, I was thinking about you and hoping that none of your g'children were involved.
Thank God your g'daughter is safe.

God help the parents of the murdered children, it's tragic.
God only knows how they will get through this. It's bad enough at anytime, but somehow it's worse at this time of year when the children and their Parents would be looking forward to Christmas.
I can't imagine how those Parents will ever enjoy Christmas again.
My sympathy and prayers are with them.

Apparently the mother of the gunman is a Teacher in the School and she was also killed as well as most of children in her classroom.

The gunman is dead and his older brother has been arrested.

Posted by: wee mags 14th Dec 2012, 09:54pm

This was posted on the Newtown site,
hoboken was know for Frank Sinatra,theCake Boss and now this horrible monster,


 

Posted by: A Mackinnon 14th Dec 2012, 10:08pm

So far 20 wee children & 8 adults killed. angry.gif

Posted by: tombro 15th Dec 2012, 09:12am

And the citizens of the United States Of America will continue to assert their right to bear arms in defence of themselves, despite the fact that most of those arms are held by career criminals, persons with insecure mind sets or others who are just plain crazy and with an inclination to shooting anyone, while blaming their actions on an insecure upbringing.

While my thoughts, and those of just about everyone else on this forum, go out to the victims and their families, the sad fact is that nothing will change and these devastating events will continue to occur until someone in power, in the world's so called greatest country, grabs the 'gun lobby' bull by the horns and decides to do something about it, despite what it may do to their political careers !

Sadly, I can't remember any politician, world wide, giving up his position for a cause that might deem him or her unelectable the next time the people in his constituency vote. The pay packet is too great to even consider it !

Tombro rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: irrie 15th Dec 2012, 10:55am

Heartfelt sympathy to all concerned. When will these tragedies ever end ?

Posted by: wee mags 15th Dec 2012, 11:34am

Tombro Not ALL AMERICANS believe in the right to bear arms ,and plase I think this is about the poor children and adults who lives were taken away by some monster,maybe you should vent your anger towords America in some other post thank you mags

Posted by: Heather 15th Dec 2012, 12:32pm

The people living in Newtown must all be grief stricken.

This terrible tragedy affects parents, brothers, sisters, g'parents and the extended families and friends.
The children are all so young, it's heart breaking.
Then there are the children of the Teachers who will also have to cope with this. God love them.

Surely the gunman must have serious mental problems to do such a terrible thing.

Posted by: Rab 15th Dec 2012, 02:22pm

After watching the ghastly and distressing news and feeling deeply for the families devastated by this tragedy last evening, I switched on to a film on Sky a few minutes later. It was called 'COBRA' which starred Silvester Stallone. The first scene involved a heavily armed gunman walking into a crowded supermarket and brazenly gunning down several shoppers, before our 'hero cop' Stallone appears and simply shoots him dead. In the space of a few seconds, the sickening scenes were enough for me to turn it off, not just because of the school shootings and the stark similarity to todays events, it immediately made me wonder why the American 'entertainment' media is so besotted with violence and killing by shooting. I am sure, as Mags says, the majority of the population will have nothing to do with firearms, but the film and TV industry must accept a lot of the blame by putting this in front of mentally deficient persons and the young and easily persuaded. Sky documentaries, which I generally enjoy, are crammed with gun-associated fanaticism, from making them, adapting them, and generally glorifying them. Basically, it is down to the Government to clamp down on sales etc, but obviously, the gun lobby will prevail as always and this type of tragedy is something the suffering populace will have to live with until someone see sense. I wont hold my breath. IMHO of course.
Very bad programming SKY!! angry.gif
RIP. 'Suffer the little children'.

Posted by: wellfield 16th Dec 2012, 04:08am

definately a gun mentality ,held by some,not all, thank goodness...glad your wee one was fortunate wee mags.My thoughts are with all these people who lost a loved one.

Posted by: Isobel 16th Dec 2012, 05:00am


Posted by: Melody 16th Dec 2012, 08:47am

Mags, thank God you and yours are safe and well. wub.gif

God help those poor souls who have lost those precious children and family. It's a mind numbing tragedy which is so difficult to deal with.

Posted by: Dylan 16th Dec 2012, 09:16am

A spokesman for the USA Gun Lobby has said that it is deplorable that no one in the School was armed.?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 16th Dec 2012, 11:03am

I'm surprised that after all the previous incidents that schools don't have armed guard(s) as a requirement.

Posted by: wee mags 16th Dec 2012, 11:59am

Iam surpised that no one from the Gun lobbiest have expresed their sorrow for the lives that were lost ,you have to know where this wee school is to pass judgment ,it is in a lovely part of Connecticut ,,and kind of quiet,its like an old fashioned town

 

Posted by: petunia 16th Dec 2012, 06:41pm

I shed a tear with President Obama yesterday for the senseless killing of these little kids and adults.
This town is situated 80miles north east of New York where people live for peace and quiet, small town America, if it can happen there it can happen anywhere, too many schools are the target for these evil beings.
God bless them all.

Posted by: wellfield 16th Dec 2012, 06:55pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 16th Dec 2012, 04:20am) *
I'm surprised that after all the previous incidents that schools don't have armed guard(s) as a requirement.

I can just picture that!...the principle with the double sixshooters.......the school religious instructor with a glock.....the crossing guard with a baseball bat!...all we need is a *GUN CONTROL LAW!!!...with teeth

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th Dec 2012, 07:04pm

Wellfield, More rigorous legislation and enforcement did not unfortunately stop the disasters in Scotland and Norway.

Posted by: Dylan 16th Dec 2012, 07:07pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 16th Dec 2012, 11:20am) *
I'm surprised that after all the previous incidents that schools don't have armed guard(s) as a requirement.



When I see this being put forward as a solution I despair. !!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 16th Dec 2012, 08:35pm

QUOTE (wellfield @ 16th Dec 2012, 07:12pm) *
I can just picture that!...the principle with the double sixshooters.......the school religious instructor with a glock.....the crossing guard with a baseball bat!...all we need is a *GUN CONTROL LAW!!!...with teeth


I never said that the school staff should be armed wellfield, but surely if bank's, casino's etc feel the need for armed guards to protect their money then the lives of young children should have the same if not more protection, if by having one discreet armed guard saves the life of one child while you sort out your "GUN CONTROL LAW WITH TEETH" then it must surely be worth trying.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 16th Dec 2012, 08:43pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 16th Dec 2012, 07:24pm) *
When I see this being put forward as a solution I despair. !!


Not as much as i despair when i hear of yet another atrocity.

I was not putting forward a solution Dylan, only surprise that there is not tougher security in schools.

How would you tackle the problem Dylan?

Posted by: Foxy52 16th Dec 2012, 08:58pm

In most major cities over here we have metal detectors that pupils have to go through, plus in the Detroit area there are armed guards in the high schools, plus a dedicated police force just for the schools. This is only in the junior and high schools though, not in the primary schools. It was instituted a few years ago because of the rising problem with gangs in the schools, 13 through 18 year old kids were taking guns to school with the intent of using them against rival gang members also at that school. The problem is not so bad now, there is still the odd one or two try to smuggle them into the school, but for the most part the security measures work.
Nothing is going to work against a deranged individual who for whatever reason takes his rage out on innocents, lets face it what easier target could they have but defensless children.
Foxy

Posted by: A Mackinnon 16th Dec 2012, 09:04pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 16th Dec 2012, 09:00pm) *
Not as much as i despair when i hear of yet another atrocity.

I was not putting forward a solution Dylan, only surprise that there is not tougher security in schools.

How would you tackle the problem Dylan?



Jags, many school's in the "inner City's" of America do indeed have armed guards, as well as metal detector airport type security, but this is just a wee town ...like Dunblane... with no way, short of turning all schools into armed camps, to prevent such cowardly bastards committing such atrocities. angry.gif

This school actual had a "buzz-in" security system in place. What was it my dad use to say, "Locks only keep an honest man out"!!

Posted by: Dylan 16th Dec 2012, 09:24pm

More guns will not result in less gun deaths.

Guns are the the problem.

Most if not all of these atrocities were caused by kids getting guns from their own homes. !

Columbine is another example.

The Americans must tighten up their gun laws and seriously look at " The Right To Bear Arms ".

However the Gun Lobby is so strong that no Politician has the Balls to mount a serious challenge.

Michael moore's Film, 2002, Bowling For Columbine dealt with this superbly and he was savaged by the Gun Lobby , mainly by Charton Heston.

Still a great Film.!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 16th Dec 2012, 09:28pm

QUOTE (A Mackinnon @ 16th Dec 2012, 09:21pm) *
Jags, many school's in the "inner City's" of America do indeed have armed guards


Thanks Mac and Foxy for your posts, perhaps my question about Armed guards wasn't as far out there as some on here would have had us imagine.

Posted by: Dylan 16th Dec 2012, 09:59pm

That is why I despair !!!!!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 16th Dec 2012, 11:21pm

My heart went out to the parents and town's people where this terrible event took place.
The shooter shot his own mother; who had taught him how to use fire arms, in the face first, before taking her favourite weapons and turning on these children and their teachers.
I can appreciate how some of our members might think armed guards in schools might be a deterant but who would ever consider an infant school as being in need of armed protection in the first place?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 17th Dec 2012, 10:37am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 16th Dec 2012, 11:38pm) *
I can appreciate how some of our members might think armed guards in schools might be a deterant

but who would ever consider an infant school as being in need of armed protection in the first place?

THH, at no time have i said armed guards would act as a deterrent, as for the second point, one word...............Dunblane.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 17th Dec 2012, 12:19pm

I didn't say "said" I said "ThinK armed guards might act as a deterant". It was only a general observation but not directed at anyone in particular.
I remember being surprised one time while working near Nuremberg and being invited along to a gun club by a workmate to fire off his Sig-Sauer. Sitting at a table for drinks later with him and 4 of his mates I learned that between them they owned more than 20 hand guns and about 6 or 7 rifles ... all licenced and legal. I wondered if they knew something that I didn't. These were all guys in their early 20's.
It's way too easy to obtain firearms, even here in Germany. I meet hunters in the forest a few times a week too and they'll shoot anything; including your dog (and say they thought it was a wild boar) or a cat (and say they thought it was a fox).
Gun owning is; to a certain degree, a mentality thing and that's the problem - knowing the mental state of the gun owner.
Gun control must be tightened well up.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 17th Dec 2012, 12:26pm

This alone says a lot (from today's paper)

QUOTE
A Republican Congressman said that elementary school principals should be armed and have access to assault rifles in order to kill potential shooters.

Representative Louie Gohmert theorized that if the principal at Sandy Hook Elementary School had an M-4 rifle in her office, then she would have been able to shoot Adam Lanza before he proceeded to kill 20 students and six adults at the Newtown, Connecticut school.

'I wish to God she had had an M-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out and she didn’t have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids,' he said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249069/Louie-Gohmert-says-Sandy-Hook-Elementary-School-principal-machine-gun.html#ixzz2FJQohrNu


Posted by: Dylan 17th Dec 2012, 01:45pm

It would appear opinion is down to .--

1) Fewer Guns =Fewer Gun Deaths.

OR

2) More Guns = Fewer Gun Deaths.

????.

Posted by: Isobel 17th Dec 2012, 02:21pm

Our schools are locked and you have to buzz to get in. We thought this was a bit much but hey if that's what it takes so be it. My girls are 31, and 33, when they attended the school the doors were wide open anyone could just walk in These days are long gone. But the thought of metal detectors and guns no way would I agree with that.
We do have a problem of guns getting across our borders from the states. Its a sad fact.
So I agree with what Dylan has been saying address the problem America and get rid of the guns. However right now is not the best time to debate this. In the midst of such a tragedy we should all turn to god for guidance .I hope some of the US politicians come to their senses.
This has to stop to may innocent families are being torn apart with so much violence.

Posted by: A Mackinnon 17th Dec 2012, 03:08pm

Last week I was at my 4yr old grandson's Junior Kindergartens Christmas concert, over 40 fresh faced wee boys & girls, all excited, went onto the stage & sung four songs for our pleasure & delight.

This week, I am watching parents & grandparents, a whole town, overcome by grief & I can only imagine the pain they are going through not being able to watch their children's concerts this or any other year!

The first of the murdered wee babies are getting buried today, the shock & horror of such an event is slowly turning to mourning & anger that such a thing could happen.

Will it never end??


Posted by: JAGZ1876 17th Dec 2012, 03:17pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 17th Dec 2012, 12:36pm) *
I didn't say "said" I said "ThinK armed guards might act as a deterant".


I stand corrected THH, what i should have said was " At no time did i think armed guards would act as a deterrent" tongue.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 17th Dec 2012, 04:33pm

QUOTE (Isobel @ 17th Dec 2012, 02:38pm) *
... In the midst of such a tragedy we should all turn to god for guidance ...

I know you'll be angry with me Isabel but, honestly, what will god do about it? This is not the first time it's happened and it won't; unfortunately, be the last. What guidance has He come up with regarding the many such atrocities to date?
This is something that the citizens must ensure that the elected officials do something about, by rigorous control and enforcement of stringent gun laws.
Which normal citizen has a genuine need for an armoury at home?
None!

Posted by: Doug1 17th Dec 2012, 06:40pm

Very sad to see so many young children killed in this horrific crime, a crime against humanity. Sadly in America this tragedy will bring about no change to their gun laws as America has almost throughout it's history had a gun culture and the NRA is a very powerful force in the country and even the bravest of politicians would shy away from taking them on
The irony is that violence begets violence and instead of cutting back on guns people may decide to arm themselves more. What will probably happen is that classrooms will become like mini jails with guards guarding the kids

Posted by: Rab 17th Dec 2012, 09:26pm

Although guns were the weapons used in this tragic incident, we must also remember that it was perpetrated by a deranged individual who, for whatever twisted reason, decided to take many lives before taking his own and used guns which were easily to hand. Any one of us, could go to a kitchen drawer, remove a handful of knives, head for any crowded place and commit a similar atrocity. Remember the primary school in Wolverhampton, which in 1996 was attacked by a man with a large knife, and 3 children and four staff were slashed, fortunately with no fatalities. It is not the weapon that commits the crime, it's the person using it - and there lies the problem. How do we identify these people? We cannot. Guns are only a part of the problem.

Posted by: wee mags 17th Dec 2012, 10:12pm

too true Rab ,it seems his other was a woman who liked Guns they were all registered in her name ,my feeling is WHY? what do you need guns for ,i feel sorry for the first responder for God only knows what they saw ,I hope they can find some kind of peace


 

Posted by: Doug1 18th Dec 2012, 08:17am

Re. My post from yesterday #45

"The irony is that violence begets violence and instead of cutting back on guns people may decide to arm themselves more. What will probably happen is that classrooms will become like mini jails with guards guarding the kids"

Just a few minutes ago I was watching the breakfast BBC news and there was a snippet showing an American gun shop retailer saying how business was booming since the school attack and this was followed by us being told that the overall gun business in the USA was also booming

What does that tell us !!

Posted by: bilbo.s 18th Dec 2012, 08:35am

I will not say I am in favour of that, but one thing it does tell us is, that people have no faith in the authorities to protect them and therefore decide to protect themselves. Is that much different from society in other countries, including UK ? Guns are not so easily come-by in the UK, and so the law-abiding citizen is at the mercy of the criminal, because, trust me, the law is incapable of protecting the innocent. Civilisation is not perfect- it's just the best we have.

If you have never been a victim of crime, whether robbery, assault, mugging etc, you have just been lucky.

Posted by: tombro 18th Dec 2012, 09:08am

I made an early reply on this topic and was berated because I expressed the opinion that, until someone in the USA develops the b*lls to fight against the 'Right to Bear Arms' mentality, nothing will change.

Wee Mags, I was not venting rage against America and my opinions do truly belong on this forum ! Like everyone throughout the world (and as a teacher of forty years experience now teaching eight year old kids myself) I did express my disgust at what had happened. God forbid I should ever be in the situation where some deranged person walks into my classroom and starts to shoot any of the kids with whom I have spent the year forming a familiar relationship with. But with Australian Gun Laws being what they now are (after the Port Arthur Massacre in Tasmania), I feel very secure that such an event is unlikely to happen !

I'm not the only one to express the opinion on this forum but, until America gets it right on Gun Laws, such events are likely to continue happening.

I accept that Barrack Obama has not pleased all Americans, but he is now in a position to impose his image on America. It would be so fantastic if he were to be actually remembered for giving Americans hope in their continued fight against gun crime in his country, rather than just being remembered as the token coloured person who became the first of his kind to become President.

Wee Mags, I do have extreme sympathies for the victims of this horrific event and, if any of them had been members of your family, related to the wonderful people on GG, those thoughts would have been doubled and even trebled for GG provides an outlet to the world that has allowed me to explore my Glasgow Roots and, for that, I am ever grateful.

Tombro rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: wombat 18th Dec 2012, 08:12pm

B)Hi tombro,tbh the guns used at the port Arthur massacre were "handed" in/surrendered to queensland police then somehow found their way into society again. yes.gif

strangely no one was prosecuted ,sound familiar?


it's gonna be barak Obama versus HOLLYWOOD ,might as well paint a target on his back,poor bu..er

Posted by: petunia 18th Dec 2012, 10:01pm

I have just heard on the evening news tonight from Boston, Mass that the gun dealers in New England are busier now than they were before the school shootings one guy said they were busier in one day today than they normally are in a week - gun control, ha never happen in the US

Posted by: Doug1 19th Dec 2012, 08:03am

On the TV news this morning they were saying the NRA is going to begin talks with the government. However the reason for this is probably due to their offices being picketed by angry members of the public. The report also stated that the reason for the upsurge in gun sales is the fear of some sort of gun controls being brought in although any controls would only, apparently, affect assault rifles

Posted by: wee davy 20th Dec 2012, 04:36pm





AMERICA PLEASE TAKE NOTE

Posted by: wellfield 21st Dec 2012, 04:08am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 16th Dec 2012, 01:52pm) *
I never said that the school staff should be armed wellfield, but surely if bank's, casino's etc feel the need for armed guards to protect their money then the lives of young children should have the same if not more protection, if by having one discreet armed guard saves the life of one child while you sort out your "GUN CONTROL LAW WITH TEETH" then it must surely be worth trying.

Sorry'...was a wee bit harsh here my friend....Campbell

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Dec 2012, 07:38am

QUOTE (wellfield @ 21st Dec 2012, 04:25am) *
Sorry'...was a wee bit harsh here my friend....Campbell


Think no more of it Campbell smile.gif ....Ally

Posted by: bilbo.s 21st Dec 2012, 08:49am

QUOTE (wee davy @ 20th Dec 2012, 05:53pm) *




AMERICA PLEASE TAKE NOTE



Ok, but a tad simplistic surely? Were there any school shootings on the UK before Dunblane?

Greetings from Denmark btw.

Posted by: Rab 21st Dec 2012, 12:19pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 21st Dec 2012, 09:06am) *
Ok, but a tad simplistic surely? Were there any school shootings on the UK before Dunblane?
Greetings from Denmark btw.

Agree. But don't forget the atrocity in Wolverhampton with knives that I referred to - still a Primary School. Also, since Dunblane, all primary schools in the UK have been subjected to a complete security makeover with secure fencing, locked gates, entry-phones etc. making a surprise entry much more difficult.

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Dec 2012, 01:25pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 20th Dec 2012, 04:53pm) *




AMERICA PLEASE TAKE NOTE



You cant compare the UK to the US.

The right to bear arms is not just to protect yourself but also America, even from it's own government.

Thomas Jefferson stated "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.", a wise who maybe had a crystal ball

Posted by: wee davy 21st Dec 2012, 01:49pm

john -
1)yes i can, if i want to.
2) lets cut all the Thomas Jefferson and political c**p - you and I BOTH know its all down to money
3) Mr Obama, or any other president isn't going to stop it happening again - but they could sure go a long ways to preventing it.

My point is, they NEVER do anything about it. (The prolifiration of publically owned weapons). There are weapons over there FREELY AVAILABLE and sell like hotcakes to any and all MF 's (excuse moi ladies), which really need to be controlled. A single nutter with enough ammo could take out a whole football stadium, just about.

The constituition is not 'fit for purpose' in 2012. They should ammend it.

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Dec 2012, 02:13pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 21st Dec 2012, 02:06pm) *
john -
1)yes i can, if i want to.

Chalk n cheese
QUOTE
2) lets cut all the Thomas Jefferson and political c**p - you and I BOTH know its all down to money
It's down to the peoples right to bear arms as much as their right to free speech, the 1st ensures the 2nd
QUOTE
3) Mr Obama, or any other president isn't going to stop it happening again - but they could sure go a long ways to preventing it.

My point is, they NEVER do anything about it. (The prolifiration of publically owned weapons). There are weapons over there FREELY AVAILABLE and sell like hotcakes to any and all MF 's (excuse moi ladies), which really need to be controlled. A single nutter with enough ammo could take out a whole football stadium, just about.

The constituition is not 'fit for purpose' in 2012. They should ammend it.


If people want state regulation of arms then they should vote for someone who will fight for it.
i dont think Obama has the authority to ban guns stateside, nor should he. If he tried it would drag through the courts for years and he would probably lose.

The US of A is a violent country with very violent criminals, take away the law abiding populations means of defense and crime would rise.

Posted by: Heather 21st Dec 2012, 02:19pm

I got this poem from my sister in America.

Sandy Hook School Children.

Twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38
when 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate.
Their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air.
They could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
They were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.
They remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"Where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"This is heaven." declared a small boy. "We're spending Christmas at God's house."
When what to their wondering eyes did appear,
but Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
Then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
And in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring
those children all flew into the arms of their King
and as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace,
one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
and as if He could read all the questions she had
He gently whispered to her, "I'll take care of mom and dad."
Then He looked down on earth, the world far below
He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe
then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"May this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
Then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"Come now my children, let me show you around."
Excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
All displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
And I heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight,
"In the midst of this darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT."

Written by Cameo Smith, Mt. Wolf, PA

Posted by: wee davy 21st Dec 2012, 03:08pm

QUOTE
The Supreme Court decided in 2008 that the US constitution's second amendment gives Americans the right to own guns for personal use, rather than just protecting the collective right of states to maintain militias.


quote from the bbc

progress? or a 'lets go massacre a few schoolkids and teachers'?

QUOTE
Chalk n cheese
john
then perhaps they ought to be a bit more 'cheesy'?

ps statistics for mass shootings in US, running at 1 per month (Sandy Hooks Number thirteen)

Posted by: Dave Grieve 21st Dec 2012, 03:08pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 21st Dec 2012, 03:30pm) *
The US of A is a violent country with very violent criminals, take away the law abiding populations means of defense and crime would rise.


The opposite happened here when the goverment made it very difficult to get a new licence and difficult to renew a gun licence it has led over the years to less violent crime where a gun is used, most of the guns the bad guys used where stolen from the good guys.

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Dec 2012, 04:12pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 21st Dec 2012, 03:25pm) *
quote from the bbc

progress? or a 'lets go massacre a few schoolkids and teachers'?


Or lets just have a knee jerk reaction law, cause that makes sense
QUOTE
john
then perhaps they ought to be a bit more 'cheesy'?

mmm , lets see, hard time vs PS3's and satellite TV.
Beating or killing intruders to your home vs jailtime for homeowners.
Executing violent killers vs a free pass to sue the taxpayers because you broke a nail
Water boarding for terrorists vs ohh we cant deport him just in case the people he tried to kill may want to hurt him.

Why on earth would they want to be more like us?

QUOTE
ps statistics for mass shootings in US, running at 1 per month (Sandy Hooks Number thirteen)


You are proving my point, it is a violent country people need to protect themselves.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 21st Dec 2012, 05:06pm

I can understand, to some degree, how some people might feel the need to have a weapon in the house but STOCKPILING weapons at home after a school massacre isn't helping the situation. It may in fact give more dubious kids the opportunity to play Shoot-em-Up games for real.

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Walmart SELLS OUT of guns as Americans rush to stockpile weapons in aftermath of Sandy Hook massacre

Demand for firearms has exploded in the U.S., wiping store shelves clean of guns and ammo in nearly every town, city and state since the school shooting in Connecticut and ensuing calls for stricter gun laws.

Gun retailers as large as Walmart are nearly sold out of every type of firearm, including semiautomatic rifles like the one that 20-year-old Adam Lanza used to kill 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary school on Friday.


A quick search for a handful of firearms that Walmart advertises turned up no results at store locations in a dozen states, including New York, California and Wisconsin.

Arms rush: Demand for firearms has exploded in the U.S., wiping store shelves clean of guns and ammo in nearly every town, city and state since the school shooting in Connecticut and ensuing calls for stricter gun laws

'It’s a money-grab out there,' (said) Mike McGovern


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251461/Walmart-sells-guns-Americans-rush-stockpile-weapons-aftermath-Sandy-Hook.html#ixzz2Fhw4jvtO

Posted by: wee davy 21st Dec 2012, 05:15pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130

88.88% of Americans own a weapon of some description - surprise surprise - the NRA suggest it should be 100%. They suggest armed guards in the schoolrooms (maybe retired grandparents). I wonder how their doing with their Alzheimers and Dementia research?

2055 "I thought I was back in Iraq, your honour"

Posted by: wee mags 21st Dec 2012, 05:36pm

there is no way I would stand in a school with a gun to protect my grandchildren as I bellieve violence begets violence, I think the politicians have to get together and vote for some new bill to help the gun situation ,all this nonsence between Republicans and Democrats has to stop they have to get their acts together

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Dec 2012, 06:00pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 21st Dec 2012, 05:23pm) *
I can understand, to some degree, how some people might feel the need to have a weapon in the house but STOCKPILING weapons at home after a school massacre isn't helping the situation. It may in fact give more dubious kids the opportunity to play Shoot-em-Up games for real.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251461/Walmart-sells-guns-Americans-rush-stockpile-weapons-aftermath-Sandy-Hook.html#ixzz2Fhw4jvtO



Maybe they know that after every massacre there's the usual calls for banning and restrictions from the minority.

If the American politicians wants gun control then put the vote to the American public, the will of the people should always come first.

Posted by: Ossie 21st Dec 2012, 06:09pm

Just listened to the statement from a section of the gun lobby advocating armed guards at every primary school . The best argument possible for taking guns out of society completely as far as I'm concerned .

Before anyone comes on with the " hardened criminals" nonsense , yes they WILL always manage to get their hands on guns , but they tend to shoot other hardened criminals and leave wee kids to get on with the pleasure of living the life of a child and managing to grow up in comparative safety .

Posted by: Doug1 21st Dec 2012, 06:10pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 21st Dec 2012, 05:32pm) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130

88.88% of Americans own a weapon of some description - surprise surprise - the NRA suggest it should be 100%. They suggest armed guards in the schoolrooms (maybe retired grandparents). I wonder how their doing with their Alzheimers and Dementia research?

2055 "I thought I was back in Iraq, your honour"


With views like this the only word I can think of is insanity but in truth I couldn't care less. If this is really the way Americans want to live their lives (ie in a gun culture) then so be it. It's appears to me that if that is what they want then let them stick armed guards in all their schools and be done with it and then maybe one day an armed guard will take a mad turn and turn his weapon on the kids he is supposed to be looking after

Posted by: wee davy 21st Dec 2012, 08:06pm

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2055 "I thought I was back in Iraq, your honour"


this is what i was getting at with my last statement doug.

It would be a defence for someone in the future, who took part in the iraq or afghan war, when he threw the proverbial wobbly!

Posted by: wellfield 21st Dec 2012, 11:08pm

Doug 1 has a point...we do live in a gun culture over here..I've owned my share of guns in my time...(passing phase)...fired many weapns in the army..you name it I fired it.....I'm afraid I see no end to this situation.....remember the American Constitution,Americans hve the right to bear arms (Just doesn't tell you which ones)

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 22nd Dec 2012, 12:03am

Just to add to the confusion ...


Posted by: Isobel 22nd Dec 2012, 03:21am

Heather that was a nice poem.

Posted by: wee davy 22nd Dec 2012, 04:39am

QUOTE
.....remember the American Constitution,Americans hve the right to bear arms (Just doesn't tell you which ones)


There is a much HIGHER order than the american constitution.
Its only a man made law - laws CAN be changed.
There is just no desire to do so.

I'm afraid I'm fuming at the NRA response.

'What we need is MORE guns'


Their 5/6 year olds will be having a Christmas. 100's, maybe even 1000's may be having their worst one ever.
Sadly, weapons are a necessary evil, NOT a sacrosanct indisputable RIGHT

Posted by: Doug1 22nd Dec 2012, 08:35am

QUOTE (wee davy @ 21st Dec 2012, 08:23pm) *
this is what i was getting at with my last statement doug.

It would be a defence for someone in the future, who took part in the iraq or afghan war, when he threw the proverbial wobbly!


thumbup.gif

Posted by: wee davy 22nd Dec 2012, 02:11pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251994/Trigger-happy-families-After-school-massacre-horrified-world-meet-U-S-homeowners-armed-teeth--ready-kill.html

Is this REALLY how America 'thinks'?

Posted by: Isobel 22nd Dec 2012, 02:35pm

OMG WEE DAVY . That's awful. What a bunch of idiots. Thank God I live in Canada.

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Dec 2012, 02:44pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 22nd Dec 2012, 02:28pm) *
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251994/Trigger-happy-families-After-school-massacre-horrified-world-meet-U-S-homeowners-armed-teeth--ready-kill.html

Is this REALLY how America 'thinks'?



Not all, i was a member of a few forums where the majority were from all over the States. Some of the guys posted their arsenal and it wasn't much different to what you see in that link. There was also some who like yourself would give burglars a cuppa tea and a biccie instead of putting him in hospital. biggrin.gif
Some of them went hunting, some of them out to old quarries to shoot up old appliances so they did use them and were trained from an early ae to use them.

One thing i remember from those forums was one guy saying his parents were anti gun until they were burglared one night while sleeping, it was enough for them to join the club and get some firepower for protection.

Posted by: wee davy 22nd Dec 2012, 03:12pm

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There was also some who like yourself would give burglars a cuppa tea and a biccie instead of putting him in hospital.

Being virtually bedbound, if I had a gun, it would be more likely for me to plug a well meaning friend, or a foolish 13/14 years old, trying the're luck

Youve missed my whole point, john.

Guns beget guns.

Those pictures sicken me - an old fella with THREE hand guns on the arm of his compfy chair. By the time he'd flicked the safety, (if he can do that through his arthritis) he would be riddled with more than arthritis.
Little smiling kids almost smaller than the weapon their holding. Makes me want to weep.

Nah - gimme the UK every day.

Sad thing is they appear to think their world is a much better/safer place with ownership of scores of assault guns.

(PS I'd ask my burglar, if they could find anything of value, would they tell me)

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Dec 2012, 03:42pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 22nd Dec 2012, 03:29pm) *
Youve missed my whole point, john.

Guns beget guns.


I've not missed the point, you'd want to disarm the law abiding while criminals still have theirs, and they always will. The US cant win the drugs war, they couldn't win prohibition and they cant keep the criminals from getting illegal guns.

Posted by: wee davy 22nd Dec 2012, 03:54pm

Their not much good at wining Ryder Cups, either - yet it doesn't seem to help them any that they probably have half the worlds supply of clubs!

I would not wish to disarm the law abiding adult, subject to proper controls and licencing (Those who clearly require such protection).
I just dont think MASS ARMING is the answer to what happened a week ago, john.

Sorry, but the NRA are WAY out of order on this one.
Their spokesperson made me physically ill.

Posted by: Melody 22nd Dec 2012, 04:43pm

laugh.gif Davy your post about burglars maybe finding something of value reminds of my Gran saying, "Och well, maybe they'd leave me something."

I find it unbelievable and shocking that anyone's response would be to have armed guards in schools. Surely any thinking person would want to be rid of such a horrific gun culture altogether.

Posted by: Rab 22nd Dec 2012, 04:46pm

These people keep quoting the phrase 'The world is a dangerous place'. What they should be saying is that America is a dangerous place, and it has been made thay way because of their constant refusal to accept proper gun control on ownership.

Posted by: wee mags 22nd Dec 2012, 05:19pm

totalyagree with you Rab poor inocent weans are being shot by some stupid young guy ,because some one looked at his girlfriend he missed theyguy the bullet was intended for and hit the wean ,there is a town here in the States and almost every morning in the news there is some story about a shooting ,too many esy ways to get guns ,by the way we dont have a gun nor do any of my children , we all have signed petitions agains guns ,but it those congress men who are in cahoots with the gun lobbiests

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Dec 2012, 06:21pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 22nd Dec 2012, 04:11pm) *
Sorry, but the NRA are WAY out of order on this one.
Their spokesperson made me physically ill.


My, you're a delicate wee soul biggrin.gif

Posted by: wee davy 8th Jan 2013, 03:32pm

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/alex-jones-piers-morgan-interview-cnn-rant-on-gun-control-113924767.html#TTX83Tu

Piers Morgan meets Mr Alex Jones (who want Piers deported)

CAUTION : please DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO if your a minor or of an easily offended/sensitive disposition

Posted by: andypisces 8th Jan 2013, 07:08pm

I am in south carolina. Last week i lost my car keys and did not have a spare set. I went to a dealership and asked for a new key and remote. I was told they needed my vehicle registration no., my licence, proof of ownership, seperate ID and bring my car in. I have lost my keys i told them, how can i bring my car in. Get it towed was the response. Out of curiosity i wentt to a store that sold guns. All i needed was a drivers licence.

Posted by: wee davy 9th Jan 2013, 12:11am

Piers Morgan has it bang on the money.

Eleven and a half THOUSAND people killed by gunfire in the past year - 35 in the UK.

Their all certifiable if they cannot work out this simple mathematical fact

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Jan 2013, 01:57am


Was that legal or illegal firearms ?

Posted by: wee davy 9th Jan 2013, 04:15am

It is believed there is very little overlap between legal and illegal guns.
Considering just about everybody owns one (including children - average age 14 either owning, handling a hand gun) according to statistics, even babes in arms might own one.

per 100,000 people 3 homicides per year US
per 100,000 people 0.07 homicides per year UK (40 times less)

Alex Jones did get one thing right - they make it much easier to kill yourself - half of all suicides involve a firearm in annual gun death stats - GREAT!

It aint no joking matter, john

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Jan 2013, 08:34pm



And if the other half of suicides are by hanging are you for banning rope too?

Aren't the vast majority of gun owning Americans law abiding citizens, aren't the vast majority of murders committed by illegally held firearms ?

BTW i watched that vid of Piers Morgan and Alex Jones talks some sense, i would want some foreigners telling me to change laws deported as well.

PS someone who talks sense
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell

Posted by: taurus 9th Jan 2013, 08:52pm

I think all these violent movies have a big influence on young minds,I was watching Die Hard the other night,and all I could think of ,was the affect this must have on impresssionable young minds,who think they`ll be a part of this fantasy,but in real life,when it`s a one off,no turning back after they pull the trigger.Of course that`s only a very minor aspect of a big problem,and only my personal view as I see it. Nothing it seems will stop the bad guys from knocking each other off,shooting is so much quicker than poisoning.Just this morning on our news,2 families were on the beach watching the tragedy of a man drowning,neither of these people knew the man,but an altercation broke out between the 2 families,and one shot the other in the head. Senseless or what? and who takes a gun to the beach?.

Posted by: wee davy 9th Jan 2013, 09:14pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 9th Jan 2013, 08:51pm) *
And if the other half of suicides are by hanging are you for banning rope too?
A bullet from a gun, is much faster (and more messy)
Aren't the vast majority of gun owning Americans law abiding citizens, aren't the vast majority of murders committed by illegally held firearms ?
It is estimated 46% of Americans qualify for some form of mental illness. (Mostly anxiety/depression/ why make it easier to reach for a swift solution to your problems?
BTW i watched that vid of Piers Morgan and Alex Jones talks some sense, i would want some foreigners telling me to change laws deported as well.
At the end, Jones emphatically puts the blame 9/11 directly with the US Government. The man wants locking up, to protect him from himself. What does he need FIFTY guns for? does he have a lot of enemies?

PS someone who talks sense
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell


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But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries – and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States.


You place credibility to this man?
ITS ILLEGAL TO EVEN HAVE ONE WITHOUT BEING CERTIFIED in the UK

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Jan 2013, 10:10pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 9th Jan 2013, 09:31pm) *
A bullet from a gun, is much faster (and more messy)

So you prefer a person to suffer by being choked to death over a swift end? And here me thinking you were a compassionate man tongue.gif Apart from that i've heard hanging can be very messy.

QUOTE
It is estimated 46% of Americans qualify for some form of mental illness. (Mostly anxiety/depression/ why make it easier to reach for a swift solution to your problems?


A free people can choose how to live, and when to die, why are you so nanny state saying people should not top themselves, if it isn't by a bullet it will be in front of a train or off a bridge, people should be allowed to end their life if they choose.
QUOTE
You place credibility to this man?
ITS ILLEGAL TO EVEN HAVE ONE WITHOUT BEING CERTIFIED in the UK


??
Did you glance over it? He said in history, in fact he stated it was easier to buy a gun in the middle of the last century in London than New York, yet New York had a lot higher gun crime.

BTW has personal ownership of guns being illegal in the UK stopped, or even lowered gun deaths?

Posted by: Dylan 13th May 2013, 06:51am

" If Jesus had a gun he would be alive today "

Homer Simpson.

Posted by: Guvinjim 18th May 2013, 10:14am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 9th Jan 2013, 08:51pm) *
And if the other half of suicides are by hanging are you for banning rope too?

Aren't the vast majority of gun owning Americans law abiding citizens, aren't the vast majority of murders committed by illegally held firearms ?

BTW i watched that vid of Piers Morgan and Alex Jones talks some sense, i would want some foreigners telling me to change laws deported as well.

PS someone who talks sense
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell

Contrary to popular opinion among the fire arms aficionados in the States, most gun related killings occur in and around the home, perpetrated for the most part by "law abiding" citizens in possession of fire arms to defend their homes. Gun deaths of home invaders IE. robbers, burglars etc. at the hands of the home owners are practically so rare as to have little statistical significance. Most killing are inter family or interpersonal whether by accident or design.

These fire arm for the most part are registered fire arms held by law abiding citizens. The "illegal guns" causing the most mayhem is a fiction generated by the pathetic emasculated "if you take away their weapons", American Gun Lobby.

Posted by: GG 2nd Oct 2017, 10:00pm

QUOTE
Las Vegas shooting: At least 58 dead at Mandalay Bay Hotel

At least 58 people have been killed and hundreds injured in a mass shooting at a Las Vegas concert.

A gunman, named as 64-year-old Nevada resident Stephen Paddock, opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel towards an open-air music festival attended by 22,000.

He killed himself as police stormed the room where 10 guns were found.

Investigators have found no link to international terrorism, despite a claim from so-called Islamic State.

In an address from the White House, President Donald Trump described the attack as "pure evil".

He praised the efforts of the emergency services, saying their "miraculous" speed saved lives, and announced he would be visiting Las Vegas on Wednesday.

With First Lady Melania by his side, he later observed a moment of silence on the White House lawn. [...]

Full story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 2nd Oct 2017, 10:36pm

On German TV News the link-person was asking an on-site reporter if he could tell her if the feds had come up with a motive?
I thought, Is she serious? ... A motive?
A heid-banger fires from the 32nd floor of a hotel down into a crowd at the last night of an open-air Country Music gig and takes out almost 60 people injuring a possible 500 more and she's looking for a motive?
His brother stated that he, the shooter, had attended a few of those gigs so it couldnae have been that, hen. wacko.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 3rd Oct 2017, 10:59am

The stuff that's coming out now unsure.gif
I was reading late last night that the perpetrator of this heinous deed was the son of a man who had been convicted for bank robbery which seemed to be his profession. I thought that that probably went a long way to explaining how the killer could afford to obtain a whole stockpile of weapons, two which were adapted, quite legally, to convert or modify from semi-automatic fire to automatic mode (quite illegal in American gun law cool.gif ) plus rent a fairly big suite of rooms up on that Mandalay Hotel.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-gunman-used-bump-stock-device-to-speed-f/

Seems this killer was a professional gambler and millionaire.
Even ISIS are claiming he was their martyr Abu Abd al-Bar al-Amriki

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4942856/Las-Vegas-gunman-SIXTEEN-guns-TEN-suitcases.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stephen-paddock-isis-motive-islam-jihadi-name-las-vegas-shooting-abu-abd-al-bar-al-amriki-claim-a7980191.html

The Guardian (ex UK) concentrated on on the spread of Google and Facebook Fake News on the shooter which, apparently, was given credit by the number of "Likes" which it accumulated.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-shooting-facebook-google-fake-news-shooter

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 3rd Oct 2017, 01:38pm

23 weapons on site and another 19 found at his home .. 42 weapons in private ownership?
American Gun-Law needs to be sorted out ... regardless of Trumps support for the NRA.

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/only-on-boston-25-exclusive-photos-of-las-vegas-shooters-guns/618716556?utm_content=news&utm_campaign=Socialflow+Twitter&utm_source=socialflow&utm_medium=twitter

Posted by: carmella 3rd Oct 2017, 05:26pm

I absolutely agree with you T, but you know something, if the killing of wee kids doesn't change their ridiculous gun laws, nothing will. They are obsessed by their old fashioned right to bear arms laws, yet there are literally millions of US citizens who don't even own a gun.

In ye olde wild days, there was a personal safety need for the guns, and many lived in the wilderness so needed protection from Injuns and wild animals, plus in those days they killed in order to eat - big difference - there is no-one in the States or elsewhere who needs to kill to eat.

So we are left with the notion that somehow the gun laws will change, but sadly it is highly unlikely.

Posted by: taurus 4th Oct 2017, 03:50am

dead right Carmella the 2nd amendement or whatever was only for the pioneers hundreds of years ago,and should have been abolished a couple of hundred years ago at least. It just gave the Americans a puffed up image of themselves which has grown and grown all out of control.I don`t know about USA politics but i`m led to believe that the gun lobby helped to get Trump elected so he can`t be seen to back down,but by watching all the JFK documentaries ,shady characters played a big part in getting him elected,and when he got in he was man enough to turn his back on them.Trump looks and sounds like he wouldn`t have the backbone that JFK had.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 4th Oct 2017, 05:53am

Taurus, Hi, you do realise you've just put Trump and backbone in the same sentence tongue.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 4th Oct 2017, 07:01am

Part of the White House's talking points distributed to GOP allies after Sunday night's Las Vegas shooting massacre ...



Imagine having concealed arms on guards in a church
wacko.gif

God wants a good laugh.
Roger Waters.



Posted by: carmella 4th Oct 2017, 08:04am

If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 4th Oct 2017, 09:48am

The joke is that those who profit the most from the 2nd. Amendment and the NRA's inflexible satand against any form of regulation, always claim that it isn't the firearm which kills but the shooter who pulls the trigger. wacko.gif

With that logic we can excuse the makers of the Hiroshima bomb by saying it was the air crew member who selected "Bombs Away" who did the killing.

Posted by: angel 4th Oct 2017, 12:12pm

By the same token Tee, it is not the vehicle that kills , it's the driver , mowing down people at large gatherings , that's not just the terrorist's game any longer it's simply anyone who has a mind to do that , it's so easy , No skill required,

Posted by: john.mcn 4th Oct 2017, 08:04pm

Gun control?

No doubt there's many Americans watching what happened in Catalonia and polishing their guns saying 'that will never happen here'.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 5th Oct 2017, 10:34am

QUOTE (angel @ 4th Oct 2017, 12:12pm) *
... it's so easy , No skill required,

Samson did it with the jawbone of an ass.

Killing has always been easy, Angel, it's only the methods and weapons which have improved through the ages; therein lies the science of killing : Some people even get one of these for their efforts ...





Posted by: angel 5th Oct 2017, 11:33am

Tee , I don't think murder is easy but is
not the killing in war for a greater purpose ,
although that subject is most debatable . smile.gif

Posted by: angel 5th Oct 2017, 11:38am



Also Tee ,I see that you have mentioned
Samson ,
Now in the old testament did not God direct his
followers in battle .

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 5th Oct 2017, 07:08pm

QUOTE (angel @ 5th Oct 2017, 11:33am) *
Tee ... is not the killing in war for a greater purpose


The killing in war requires setting people who don't want to die against other people who don't want to die.

Where's the greater purpose there?

When Christians, who started off by following Christ's teachings and turned the other cheek, now have recognised Christian Militia how contradictory can that be?
All through the ages followers of Christ have destroyed other cultures and their Gods for a greater purpose; even using their pagan celebrations and rituals, like Easter for eyample, to expidite those changes for a greater purpose.
The Muslims are sworn to do the same for their greater purpose.
No, Angel, of all the things that I personally wouldn't kill for, a greater purpose tops the list, how ever small that list might be tongue.gif

Posted by: angel 6th Oct 2017, 12:07am




Fair enough Tea , there is no argument from me .
Cheers , smile.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th Oct 2017, 07:18am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 5th Oct 2017, 07:08pm) *
The killing in war requires setting people who don't want to die against other people who don't want to die.

Where's the greater purpose there?

I could have and, more to the point, should have elaborated there by saying: in the killing in war it is required by old men that young men who have no desire to die are set against other young men with no wish to die (as required by other old men) for the greater purpose..
This has been historically proven to be an immense and recurring expenditure of youth. rolleyes.gif