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> Uk Independence Referendum - Brexit, Yes or No on EU membership
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JAGZ1876
post 8th Sep 2015, 10:48am
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 8th Sep 2015, 10:45am) *
'Britnat'... 'Unionist'...

Can't we both just be Scottish, for a change? It would save a lot of unnecessary aggro.

I haven't and won't be labelling you according to your position in this debate, however I am pointing out to you that your argument would seem to be at odds with what you stood for during the last referendum; a fair point, which you haven't yet addressed.


How can calling you a unionist or a British nationalist be viewed as aggro, do you want the union to remain and are you a British national?

How am i at odds with what i stood for in the referendum?

I wanted an independent Scotland within the EU and now i want Scotland as part of the UK to remain in the EU.
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post 9th Sep 2015, 05:22pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 8th Sep 2015, 11:56am) *
How can calling you a unionist or a British nationalist be viewed as aggro, do you want the union to remain and are you a British national?

How am i at odds with what i stood for in the referendum?

I wanted an independent Scotland within the EU and now i want Scotland as part of the UK to remain in the EU.

Will you agree, for the sake of argument, to respect and refer to one another just as Scotsmen from now on? smile.gif

During Scotland's Indy Ref last year you argued for separation from the Union and now you are basically arguing for the status quo at the forthcoming UK Indy Ref, in other words you now agree with the majority of Scots that Holyrood and the EU Parliament are better together.

An earlier passage of this thread attempted to highlight the existing UK and EU economic austerity policies. Whether an independent Scotland formed a currency union with the UK - something you stood for last time - or with the EU would make no difference; the policy of recovery in both economies is the same. Hence my earlier point that for voters like yourself, for whom it's a 'Yes' in both referendums, the position is apparently: UK austerity bad, EU austerity good. This is but one example of similar powers that both Unions can and do exercise, yet its significance seems not to carry weight in both of your votes, thus highlighting an inconsistency in your arguments, in my opinion, which you tried so hard to ignore with your clever use of words above.
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post 9th Sep 2015, 06:28pm
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I as well as my wife are voting to leave the EU, as time goes on i can see more and more who didn't care one way or the other to do the same.


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post 9th Sep 2015, 07:12pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 9th Sep 2015, 06:30pm) *
Will you agree, for the sake of argument, to respect and refer to one another just as Scotsmen from now on? smile.gif

During Scotland's Indy Ref last year you argued for separation from the Union and now you are basically arguing for the status quo at the forthcoming UK Indy Ref, in other words you now agree with the majority of Scots that Holyrood and the EU Parliament are better together.


Not while myself and other YES voters are being called "nationalists", "nazis" etc.

I will be voting YES to remain in the EU, after all that was a big part of your and other unionists arguments against Scottish self determination last year, i would like to think an independent Scotland would do well in the EU, using our own rich fishing grounds and agriculture etc to benefit us and not being used as sacraficial pawns to get better deals for the SE of England, surely you should be persuading your fellow unionists who have a seperatist agenda who would see the UK ripped out of the EU and our shared forty year history dumped, i have family and friends all over Europe, and for me to tell my two little boys (23 & 20) that they can't visit their Granny in Malaga because there will be machine gunned border posts with landmines just breaks my heart.......... tongue.gif

It's Wednesday and i'm pissed, but i still can't come up with anymore stupid scare stories than you and your pals came up with last year. laugh.gif
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post 9th Sep 2015, 07:24pm
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It's Wednesday and i'm pissed, but i still can't come up with anymore stupid scare stories than you and your pals came up with last year.


Struth Jagz, is it only a Wednesday you get pissed? That explains a lot laugh.gif

Sorry, I couldn't resist.


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post 9th Sep 2015, 08:23pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Sep 2015, 08:20pm) *
Not while myself and other YES voters are being called "nationalists", "nazis" etc.

I will be voting YES to remain in the EU, after all that was a big part of your and other unionists arguments against Scottish self determination last year, i would like to think an independent Scotland would do well in the EU, using our own rich fishing grounds and agriculture etc to benefit us and not being used as sacraficial pawns to get better deals for the SE of England, surely you should be persuading your fellow unionists who have a seperatist agenda who would see the UK ripped out of the EU and our shared forty year history dumped, i have family and friends all over Europe, and for me to tell my two little boys (23 & 20) that they can't visit their Granny in Malaga because there will be machine gunned border posts with landmines just breaks my heart.......... tongue.gif

It's Wednesday and i'm pissed, but i still can't come up with anymore stupid scare stories than you and your pals came up with last year. laugh.gif

OK. If I agree to consider and call you as simply a Scotsman, will you return me the same courtesy henceforth, to show the rest of them that it's not impossible?

Wasn't the 'better together' argument of last year's Scottish referendum that an independent Scotland would have to reapply to join the EU?

There are also very many EU nationals who feel that their own country's wealth is being used to benefit other parts of the Union.

Shared forty year history?? That's nearly as old as me!!! laugh.gif

And what have I told you about boozing and browsing. rolleyes.gif
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post 9th Sep 2015, 10:28pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 9th Sep 2015, 08:32pm) *
Struth Jagz, is it only a Wednesday you get pissed? That explains a lot laugh.gif

Sorry, I couldn't resist.


After almost thirty years of driving a black hack in Glasgow i always took Wednesday off as it was the middle of the week and if there was football being played it was always on a Wednesday (guy's of a certain age will know what i mean) so yes Wednesday is my traditional drinking night even though now i'm no longer driving cabs Carmella.

Wednesday is still my night to have a few, laugh.gif
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post 9th Sep 2015, 10:32pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 9th Sep 2015, 09:31pm) *
Wasn't the 'better together' argument of last year's Scottish referendum that an independent Scotland would have to reapply to join the EU?

There are also very many EU nationals who feel that their own country's wealth is being used to benefit other parts of the Union.

Shared forty year history?? That's nearly as old as me!!! laugh.gif

And what have I told you about boozing and browsing. rolleyes.gif



You just don't get irony................Do you?

What did i say about my drunken posts making more sence than your sober ones. laugh.gif
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post 10th Sep 2015, 08:08pm
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I have respectfully suggested to you, several times now, that we should make a decent effort to acknowledge and refer to each other as nothing short of fellow Scots from now on in these debates, instead of using other names that typically cause unhelpful distraction.

Is this really too much to ask of you,

Jagz?

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post 10th Sep 2015, 09:07pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 10th Sep 2015, 09:16pm) *
I have respectfully suggested to you, several times now, that we should make a decent effort to acknowledge and refer to each other as nothing short of fellow Scots from now on in these debates, instead of using other names that typically cause unhelpful distraction.

Is this really too much to ask of you,

Jagz?

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What if i just call you what Gordon Brown calls himself, a North Briton? laugh.gif
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post 10th Sep 2015, 09:44pm
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post 11th Sep 2015, 07:23am
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QUOTE (wombat @ 10th Sep 2015, 10:52pm) *
rolleyes.gif or a NOB for short laugh.gif


Why didn't i think of that. laugh.gif
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post 11th Sep 2015, 10:05am
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QUOTE (wombat @ 10th Sep 2015, 10:52pm) *
rolleyes.gif or a NOB for short laugh.gif


lol just spat my tea over my laptop. thanks wombat. laugh.gif
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post 11th Sep 2015, 10:37am
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QUOTE (wombat @ 10th Sep 2015, 10:52pm) *
rolleyes.gif or a NOB for short laugh.gif


everyone in work looking at me when I gave out a big belly laugh too blush.gif
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post 11th Sep 2015, 05:39pm
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OK Jagz.
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