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> Independence Day?, How will (or would) you vote?
pumps100
post 13th Sep 2014, 04:16pm
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I am a Yes. Brought up with Labour instilled anti-nationalist position. Irvine Welch explains much better than I am capable of writing.

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/08/la...labour-of-love/

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bilbo.s
post 13th Sep 2014, 04:55pm
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Judging by how the poll is going, there must be a lot of GG YES supporters out on the streets of Glasgow today. unsure.gif


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carmella
post 13th Sep 2014, 05:16pm
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Anyone who knows me in my personal life, and anyone who knows me just through my posts here on the GG, will know that I'm not into celebrities, and particularly with the few who have come to Scotland to share with us how they think we should vote - I don't pay attention to them, and it wouldn't matter to me what they thought I should do, or for the most part what their opinions are.

I am, however, a big Brian Cox fan, he is a superb actor and spends a great deal of his time in Scotland, its a place he visits a lot, not only for work and documentaries.

He is a very intelligent man, apart from a great actor who seems to be able to do a great job of any part he undertakes.

I stumbled upon this video and watched it this afternoon. It only enforces for me what a deep thinker the man is.

Hope you enjoy.



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post 13th Sep 2014, 05:46pm
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QUOTE (Guest @ 13th Sep 2014, 04:27pm) *
I certainly feel no need to read up on the circumstances leading up to the election of Margaret Thatcher in 1979 as I am well aware of them, having been a taxpayer and a voter in Scotland at the time.

The vote of no confidence in Callaghan's Labour Government was a cynical betrayal of the Scottish working class by the Nationalists in their ruthless and single-minded pursuit of their political ambition. No Nationalist attempt to rewrite history can change or even sanitise that plain fact.


Nothing to do with Labour going against the working class of Scotland by not enacting the Scotland act that the majority of electorate voted for then..No rewriting of the history books there, the facts are the SNP did what they did because of Labours betrayal to the people of Scotland... simple fact and not my opinion.

Of course as being around at that time you would also know that the labour government had been in power since 1974 and would have needed to call for a general election, so the vote of no confidence probably just sped up their removal by a few months.. ahh but you say, they could have turned around public opinion and saved their skins...err not after the winter of discontent, this caused labour to be in opposition and not the apparent brainwashing of the English public by the SNP to vote against labour.. Labour has NO ONE to blame for their 18 years in the wilderness but themselves.


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post 13th Sep 2014, 05:58pm
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Scotland cannot and must not lose their nerve now and vote YES. We have already been warned by the deviants in Westminster what penalties they will impose on us for having our own thoughts and voice in the event of a NO vote. Think we got it bad now? YES is the only way forward. Sam
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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:06pm
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There is no doubt in my mind that Scotland CAN and should be an independent nation. This is our one opportunity. It will never happen again. Fear should never prevent you from making a decision. In this case there is little to fear.
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carmella
post 13th Sep 2014, 06:09pm
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I don't think anyone has yet answered my question about the currency issue - very very important.



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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:15pm
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QUOTE (mustard @ 13th Sep 2014, 08:15pm) *
Scotland cannot and must not lose their nerve now and vote YES. We have already been warned by the deviants in Westminster what penalties they will impose on us for having our own thoughts and voice in the event of a NO vote. Think we got it bad now? YES is the only way forward. Sam


Hi, Sam ! Whereabouts in Spain are you ?


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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:17pm
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Nothing to do with Labour going against the working class of Scotland by not enacting the Scotland act that the majority of electorate voted for then..No rewriting of the history books there, the facts are the SNP did what they did because of Labours betrayal to the people of Scotland... simple fact and not my opinion.

The Scottish MPs representing the SNP at Westminster in 1979 were not compelled to vote with the Tories. Was it done in a fit of pique?
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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:26pm
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For over three hundred years we have been part of something which has suppressed and repressed our talents and cultural qualities..it is now time to let our light shine.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesss!
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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:37pm
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Hmm ?


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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:43pm
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Being of Scottish origin, I will be extremely saddened if Salmond gets his wishes and Scotland vote for independencesting plans for the UK, and would require some kind of border control between Scotland and England, or they will simply all come in via the open back door! ...

There is that GUEST again, if you are going to give your opinion and advice to the people of Scotland the very least you could do it let them know who you are GUEST
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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:52pm
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Jeez, Petunia, I nearly had a fit there. I didn't realise that the bulk of your post was a quote ! ohmy.gif


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post 13th Sep 2014, 06:57pm
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No amount of rhetoric and passion will take us into the future to give us a glimpse of what life will really be like in an Independent Scotland. Having stated the bleeding obvious, this is a brilliant opportunity to shape our future and establish values that reflect our culture and aspirations based on our self belief.

A 'Yes' will start us on this fantastic journey and free us from the dead-weight that lies south of the border that we have been dragging behind us for the last 300 years!
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post 13th Sep 2014, 09:26pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 13th Sep 2014, 03:46pm) *
I have agreed with Red too, but over on the Scottish Independence thread.

As long as we are in the EU there is no independence, for me independence means being totally independent of another country's rules and regulations imposed upon us.

There's a very significant difference in relationship Scotland/UK and UK/EU.

UK Treasury takes ALL Scotland's revenues: corporation tax, VAT, income tax, NICS, fuel, alcohol, tobacco & vehicle duties. In return, Scotland gets a "grant" [Barnett Formula] to run education, NHS, justice, etc.

In the EU, member countries pay a subsciption.
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