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> Uk Independence Referendum - Brexit, Yes or No on EU membership
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bilbo.s
post 13th Aug 2016, 09:42pm
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QUOTE (Heather @ 13th Aug 2016, 10:54pm) *
Angel, I usually read the Links but I gave up when they were not only coming three at a time from the same man, but mostly saying the same thing.



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post 13th Aug 2016, 09:47pm
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post 13th Aug 2016, 10:17pm
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post 14th Aug 2016, 12:23am
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Really? eyebrow.gif

Every single article, by every different author, word for word?

Well Kemedian , if you want to split hairs .


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post 15th Aug 2016, 08:42am
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post 15th Aug 2016, 09:51am
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It doesn't take a genious to observe that the SNP Government possesses no mandate to call another Indyref in the next five years. Only Westminster has the power to call another referendum on the EU in that time, perhaps about the substance of the deal with Brussels - which would be the last chance to either stop Brexit or prove the doubters wrong.

Personally, I think the SNP should wait until Brexit is done and dusted one way or another before campaigning again for Independence. The Party needs to swallow some of its own medicine in my opinion and would be all-the-better for it.

Given a clear and hard choice of existing UK or prospective EU membership for Scotland, I would choose the latter and my reasons haven't changed.
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post 15th Aug 2016, 12:12pm
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It doesn't take a genious to observe that the SNP Government possesses no mandate to call another Indyref in the next five years.

Personally, I think the SNP should wait until Brexit is done and dusted one way or another before campaigning again for Independence.


The SNP haven't called for another referendum.

You're stating the bleedin' obvious, of course the SNP will have to wait until a Bexit deal is done and if Scottish interests are not adequately protected then they have a mandate to call for a second indyref.

When do you think May (if at all) will trigger Article 50?
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post 15th Aug 2016, 01:00pm
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The SNP haven't called for another referendum.

You're stating the bleedin' obvious, of course the SNP will have to wait until a Bexit deal is done and if Scottish interests are not adequately protected then they have a mandate to call for a second indyref.

When do you think May (if at all) will trigger Article 50?

Do you, as I do, really think it's possible that the SNP could accept the Brexit deal?

PM May has stated that she wants a deal for the whole of the UK and she seems in no particular hurry, which I like.

The SNP cannot make up a mandate as it goes along. There HAS now been a 'material change', and you are correct: Sturgeon HASN'T called a referendum, because she can't.
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post 15th Aug 2016, 01:32pm
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Might not have too long to wait ...


''Reports at the weekend suggested that the Government is planning to delay invoking Article 50 until 2017, meaning Brexit would not take place until the end of 2019.

A source insisted that she will push "full steam ahead" and invoke Article 50 at the beginning of next year. "She is not taking her foot off the pedal," the source said.''

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/there...ocid=spartandhp
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post 15th Aug 2016, 02:02pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 15th Aug 2016, 02:00pm) *
Do you, as I do, really think it's possible that the SNP could accept the Brexit deal?

PM May has stated that she wants a deal for the whole of the UK and she seems in no particular hurry, which I like.

The SNP cannot make up a mandate as it goes along. There HAS now been a 'material change', and you are correct: Sturgeon HASN'T called a referendum, because she can't.


We won't know the answer to that until we see what deals been done.

The longer this drags on the more uncertainty it causes sending the economy sliding further down the tubes.

The SNP aren't making "a mandate up as it goes along" it was in their manifesto as you know fine well.

And i didn't say "Sturgeon HASN'T called a referendum" i said "The SNP haven't called for another referendum".
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post 15th Aug 2016, 05:32pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 15th Aug 2016, 03:02pm) *
We won't know the answer to that until we see what deals been done.

The SNP aren't making "a mandate up as it goes along" it was in their manifesto as you know fine well.

And i didn't say "Sturgeon HASN'T called a referendum" i said "The SNP haven't called for another referendum".

Why not, in your opinion, if like you say the mandate already exists?

The SNP manifesto asserts the basic right of Holyrood to hold a second Indyref in the very circumstances produced by June's Brexit outcome, but importantly without any qualification on the basis of undisclosed criteria that applies to the settlement package. Exactly what would be in Scotland's own interests, and just whose interests are these really when decided by Politicians? eyebrow.gif
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post 15th Aug 2016, 07:21pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 15th Aug 2016, 01:00pm) *
The SNP cannot make up a mandate as it goes along. There HAS now been a 'material change', and you are correct: Sturgeon HASN'T called a referendum, because she can't.



You'll have to forgive this thicko Kem but i didn't see any manifesto pledge saying they'll hold a referendum if there was a 'a significant and material change'. The manifesto i seen says they believe the Scottish parliament should have the right to hold another referendum which is a completely different thing, especially when it shares the page with their real pledges including we will campaign for Scotland and the UK to remain in the European Union


In other words they have no mandate!!! But they fulfilled on the other pledge wink.gif


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post 15th Aug 2016, 08:09pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 15th Aug 2016, 06:32pm) *
Why not, in your opinion, if like you say the mandate already exists?


What's your rush for indyref 2, who knows, maybe the UK government will negotiate a cracking deal for us all and we can sail off into the distance one big happy UK holding hands and singing kumbaya.
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post 15th Aug 2016, 10:28pm
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What's your rush for indyref 2, who knows, maybe the UK government will negotiate a cracking deal for us all and we can sail off into the distance one big happy UK holding hands and singing kumbaya.

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post 16th Aug 2016, 06:12am
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Oh good heavens!
I suppose someone had to do it.

A hairdresser, and others, is going to stop Brexit by suing the Government. So much for the voting system and the will of the majority.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/this-w...ocid=spartandhp
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