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> Scottish Independence, About voting yes/no
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carmella
post 23rd Oct 2019, 07:51am
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I would like to know why it is that Scotland can go it alone whilst relying as it has on the benefits of belonging to the EU across the board.

If we don’t need investment, then why can we run our own affairs?


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post 23rd Oct 2019, 07:59am
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QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Oct 2019, 08:51am) *
I would like to know why it is that Scotland can go it alone whilst relying as it has on the benefits of belonging to the EU across the board.

If we don’t need investment, then why can we run our own affairs?



I'm not sure i'm following your drift here Carmella, are you still peddling the myth that Scotland is too poor? unsure.gif
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post 23rd Oct 2019, 08:05am
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No Jagz simply asking why we need all the investment. We are not a poor country, so why?


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post 23rd Oct 2019, 08:23am
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QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Oct 2019, 09:05am) *
No Jagz simply asking why we need all the investment. We are not a poor country, so why?


I can't think of any country on the planet rich or poor that doesn't encourage inward investment?

Can you Carmella?
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post 23rd Oct 2019, 08:53am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Oct 2019, 09:23am) *
I can't think of any country on the planet rich or poor that doesn't encourage inward investment?

Can you Carmella?

No Jagz I can’t, but this is more than inward investment.

Why are there so many slum areas in S otland including Nicola Sturgeon’s own constituency. Why are there children living in poverty and starving, when it is the parents who are supposed to feed their children?


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post 23rd Oct 2019, 09:00am
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Carmella,I presume you actually were referring to EU funding of projects rather than companies
investing in new ventures. Scotland gets about 75 million a year from the EU,sounds great of course
but its just some of our own money being returned.
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post 23rd Oct 2019, 09:08am
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QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 23rd Oct 2019, 10:00am) *
Carmella,I presume you actually were referring to EU funding of projects rather than companies
investing in new ventures. Scotland gets about 75 million a year from the EU,sounds great of course
but its just some of our own money being returned.

Precisely! I was referring to projects, and not companies. We see the road signs everywhere, and have done for years.

Our farmers need people from the EU to pick fruit and veg, because our own labour force won’t do it. That can continue, in my opinion so long as we know who is coming into our country, and have a visa!


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post 23rd Oct 2019, 10:21am
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QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Oct 2019, 09:53am) *
Why are there so many slum areas in S otland including Nicola Sturgeon’s own constituency. Why are there children living in poverty and starving, when it is the parents who are supposed to feed their children?


Good question Carmella, but until we get control of all our affairs we will continue on this downward spiral of austerity, budget cuts and money being spent on the wrong things that are of no benefit to the population.

It's hard for parents to feed their children when we have low paid workers on zero hour contracts and benefit cuts to the sick and disabled who are forced to use food banks thanks to this uncaring Tory government.
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post 23rd Oct 2019, 10:23am
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QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 23rd Oct 2019, 10:00am) *
Carmella,I presume you actually were referring to EU funding of projects rather than companies
investing in new ventures. Scotland gets about 75 million a year from the EU,sounds great of course
but its just some of our own money being returned.



Same can be said of our position in the UK.
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post 23rd Oct 2019, 10:27am
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QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Oct 2019, 10:08am) *
Our farmers need people from the EU to pick fruit and veg, because our own labour force won’t do it. That can continue, in my opinion so long as we know who is coming into our country, and have a visa!


We do that now, and a visa isn't a work permit.
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post 23rd Oct 2019, 10:57am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Oct 2019, 11:21am) *
Good question Carmella, but until we get control of all our affairs we will continue on this downward spiral of austerity, budget cuts and money being spent on the wrong things that are of no benefit to the population.

It's hard for parents to feed their children when we have low paid workers on zero hour contracts and benefit cuts to the sick and disabled who are forced to use food banks thanks to this uncaring Tory government.

Sorry Jagz but that is so untrue. You and I will never agree on this. Further it is not caused by Tory governments, past or present.



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post 23rd Oct 2019, 11:01am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Oct 2019, 11:27am) *
We do that now, and a visa isn't a work permit.

Don’t patronise me, of course a visa is not a work permit, it only allows us to know who is entering our country.

Referendums should be abolished, as should free borders.

Jagz I have said this before, regardless of my personal politics my stance on the UK or Scottish Indy will never change.


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post 23rd Oct 2019, 11:28am
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Just as an add on to Carmella and Jags discussion, about 20 years ago I went the UK on business and did a tour of Commercial kitchens run by the Compass and Sodexo catering companies.
No matter where I went English was the minority language in the kitchens.
Taking advantage of cheap foreign labour wasn't the problem.
The main problem was British companies unwilling to pay a wage that local workers were willing to give up their time and benefits for.
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post 23rd Oct 2019, 11:35am
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Dave, that is true, and it it because benefits are used by some who genuinely need them and others who should get off their backsides and work. Why work when you are spoiled by benefits, smoke and take drugs and drink yourself silly, are bone idol and think the country owes you something.

People are desperate to come to the UK, is it because of our lovely living standards and nice hot climate, and warm welcome. Not a bit of it. This cheap labour has been going on for decades.


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post 23rd Oct 2019, 12:03pm
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QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Oct 2019, 11:57am) *
Sorry Jagz but that is so untrue. You and I will never agree on this. Further it is not caused by Tory governments, past or present.

Which part was untrue?
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