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> Dugshots: Glasgow's War On Terriers, Enforcement spotlight turns on canine offenders
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post 11th Dec 2011, 09:34pm
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QUOTE (Rabbie @ 11th Dec 2011, 12:33pm) *
... I would put it to the honourable membership that it is jolly high time that the installlation of CCTV was subjected to some form of regulation. Furthermore, whilst on me soap boax that thier installation is drastically reduced to say; building interiors, shops or where thier use is essential for safety. Furthermore, any data recorded / stored is automatically, permenantly and irrecoverably destroyed after 24 hours. ...

Rabbie, I'd agree with you; it's time to get this sorted out with some kind of regulation. There are so many CCTV cameras in Glasgow that it is ridiculous, especially as there is little or no evidence that they actually cut crime. The problem is that having so many undermines their effectiveness, as well as perceptions of their effectiveness amongst the general public. Time for some intelligent thinking rather than a blanket policy that just is not working. Time to revise best practise and make sure resources are targeted effectively.

Funnily enough (or maybe not!), a Scotsman article yesterday reported that Scotland is one of the most "surveillance-heavy" countries in the world after the number of public spy cameras doubled in this country in recent years. And guess where in Scotland you can find most cameras? Yes, it's the Dear Screen Place!

Scotland ‘one of world CCTV capitals’
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scot...itals_1_2001672

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post 11th Dec 2011, 09:47pm
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As someone who is originally from Drumchapel i would hope it's a wind up because if it's legit i would worry about the education of kids from the scheme if this is the level of intelligence being applied to the local community by local council representatives.

It's no joke, youngsy. On the bright side, "kids from the scheme" have had nothing to do with this policy, as they have absolutely nothing to do with any policies which affect Glaswegians.

Kids from the scheme are excluded from major decision-making in Glasgow by virtue of the shocking teaching they have to endure. Very few kids get to university, and even the few who do get to a decent uni are highly unlikely to be appointed to senior jobs in Glasgow's huge poverty industry network. The head of Drumchapel housing is a perfect example of how middle-class professionals from across the UK (and beyond) flock to Glasgow to get jobs at the expense of ordinary Glaswegians. This happens even though Glaswegians who grew up in the city, and thus understand the endemic nature of the problems, might actually be better placed to develop and implement effective solutions.

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post 11th Dec 2011, 10:58pm
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I can't believe that you said in your original post that the council cleans up 10 tons of dog dirt each and every day! Surely this is an obvious mistake as I have never seen the council picking up or cleaning up after dogs - perhaps they do this without any one noticing that it is taking place?

I'd be interested in your response.
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post 12th Dec 2011, 12:42am
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post 12th Dec 2011, 11:29pm
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QUOTE (Lindsay @ 11th Dec 2011, 10:17pm) *
I can't believe that you said in your original post that the council cleans up 10 tons of dog dirt each and every day! Surely this is an obvious mistake as I have never seen the council picking up or cleaning up after dogs - perhaps they do this without any one noticing that it is taking place?

I'd be interested in your response.

Hi Lindsay, to be fair to me – before I respond – I'd just like to say that this figure was taken from the Evening Times article covering the same story. That figure has also been used in related stories in the Herald and the Sun in recent months, so I can only surmise that the figure originates from an official source. Having now done a wee bit of research the figure, I have to agree with you that the figure of 10 tons of dog mess being cleared by the council clears every day in Glasgow is quite clearly not accurate.

I have found several sources which give the total mess deposited by dogs on the streets of the UK to be a maximum of 1000 tons. If we assume that Glasgow has 1% of UK dogs (it has just less than 1% of the people), then the 10 tons of dog mess is actually the total figure attributable to city dogs, not the amount cleared by the council. I think we would be lucky if the council cleared 1%!

(Apologies... I know it is not the most pleasant of topics!)

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post 13th Dec 2011, 08:44am
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QUOTE (GG @ 12th Dec 2011, 11:48pm) *
(Apologies... I know it is not the most pleasant of topics!)
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I know GG, I feel the same about statistics laugh.gif


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post 13th Dec 2011, 01:07pm
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QUOTE (ashfield @ 13th Dec 2011, 08:03am) *
I know GG, I feel the same about statistics laugh.gif

It's down to maths.
If your average dog-log weighed in at 100 grams and your average dog produced 2 logs daily then 5 dogs would be responsible for a Kilo of canine crap per day.
5,000 mutts make a ton of muck.
Is there 50,000 terriers in the toon?
(Figures may vary - I'm working on metric tonnes tongue.gif biggrin.gif )


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post 13th Dec 2011, 01:16pm
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TeeHeeHee tried to verify your calculations a bit more scientifically without using estimates, should have wore gloves. biggrin.gif tongue.gif


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post 13th Dec 2011, 10:30pm
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post 14th Dec 2011, 02:09pm
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Only if the person who owns the dog agrees.
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post 14th Dec 2011, 04:19pm
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Wait a minute ... I've got my eye on a burd.

One slight adjustment, and you've got the motto of the Council pooper-snooper...


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post 14th Dec 2011, 05:02pm
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Q.What do you call a dog that goes 'WOOF-WOOF- BANG' then dumps?



A. A terrierist.
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I was thinking that as well Andy because dont the dogs have some kind of rights to stop these dodgy doggy snappers lurking in the bushes and taking photos of them while they go about their business??
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post 18th Dec 2011, 01:55pm
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A better chance of getting the 40pounds fine from the dogs .!

Angel, according to the council, they are going to launch a crackdown with what they refer to as a "hardest-hitting", much heavier hand" campaign, including the use of CCTV images and witness statements:

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"We will chase payment from people who are fined; we will impound dogs if they are not under proper care and control, and we will use every tool in the box to confront persistent offenders.

Ultimately, that will mean going to court to argue that some people are just not fit to look after an animal – and to put their dog into a better home where it will be properly cared for."

We shall wait and see if this delivers effective results, or whether it simply fizzles outafter the initial media attention (like the promise to tackle lunchtime litter around schools).

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post 18th Dec 2011, 02:15pm
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QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 9th Dec 2011, 01:01am) *
It presumably hasn't dawned on them that a dog-walker who uses a hat and scarf to mask his identity while roaming the roads with Rover, will be savvy enough to put a hat and scarf on the dug too, and keep them both incognito while pooch paces the pavements for a place to pee and poo.

I agree, Alex. If people are thinking about this to the extent that they are taking action and precautions to avoid detection, then surely this is a prime example where people need to be educated and attitudes changed. Obviously, regardless of the fact that Glasgow has the most CCTV cameras in the country, and despite the council's best efforts to the contrary, Glaswegians simply cannot be filmed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

If dog mess is such a serious problem as we are led to believe, then surely education holds the only effective key for lasting improvement? Instead, the council has opted for a disciplinarian approach, using words of violence to try and cower Glaswegians into compliance: "hardest-hitting", "crack down", "heavy hand", "people hate dog fouling", "turn that on its head", etc..

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/Cle...Dog+Fouling.htm

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