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> Thatcher Tried To Demolish Hampden, Newly-released files reveal a cunning plan
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post 14th Dec 2009, 10:06pm
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Margaret Thatcher's Tory government tried to demolish Scotland's International Stadium, Hampden Park, according to recently-released declassified government documents. The secret files reveal that the Tories, whose unreserved antipathy for Scotland was reciprocated, planned to tear down the dilapidated stadium and shuttle Scotland's national games between venues around the country.

Former MP Teddy Taylor, working as a Tory special advisor after losing his Glasgow seat in the constituency where Hampden is located, was the man identified as advocating a party policy of demolishing the stadium rather than renovating it.

The demolition proposals were drawn up after a 5.5million funding plan for the national stadium's refurbishment were withdrawn by Glasgow District Council, leaving the then 76-year-old facility vulnerable to Tory overtures orchestrated from Westminster.

Mr Taylor's late seventies report said:
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"If the Hampden scheme isn't going ahead, wouldn't it be wise to call it a day, offering to sweeten the pill by indicating that the big international matches would be played at various grounds, not just in Glasgow, with Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh all getting a share?

There would be the remaining problem of what to do with Hampden, but I have a feeling it would be better for this to be faced up to now rather than just allowing the massive ground simply to deteriorate. I think you’d be surprised to find how many folk would welcome it after the initial burst of protest."

Although Alexander Fletcher, then under-secretary of state for Scotland, agreed with the proposal, he suggested that it would be "more appropriate" for the Scottish football authorities to arrive at the same conclusion, independently of the Conservative party.

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Fletcher wrote:
"If Glasgow District Council does not reverse its decision, there is no doubt that the scheme [for redevelopment] would have to be abandoned. In the event, it would be for the football bodies to decide what to do about big matches. It would be natural and appropriate for them to think in terms of using the bigger grounds in Glasgow and other parts of Scotland."

Fortunately foe Glasgow, and for Scotland, Mr Taylor's plans were to eventually come to nothing and Hampden was redeveloped into one of Uefa's 'Elite Stadiums' hosting a Champions' League and UEFA Cup final in the last ten years alone.



Aerial view of the 'new' Hampden Park.



The view inside the great stadium.

Mr Taylor though has since stood by his plans for demolition, saying:
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"I still think it would have been terribly good to replace Hampden by having international games shared throughout Scotland."

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post 14th Dec 2009, 10:29pm
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Comes as no surprise she would liked to have demolished Scotland
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post 14th Dec 2009, 11:02pm
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The Tories demolished more Scottish industry than the Luftwaffe.
Comes as no surprise that Hampden would be on her hitlist.
Ravenscraig, Rosyth, the miners, Poll Tax.....that woman should burn in hell for what she did to Scotland. mad.gif


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post 14th Dec 2009, 11:43pm
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QUOTE (marydee @ 14th Dec 2009, 11:27pm) *
Comes as no surprise she would liked to have demolished Scotland


Funnily enough I thought she did
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post 14th Dec 2009, 11:58pm
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Yes Thatcher made a good job of demolishing Scotland.

I seem to be one of the few who agreed with the Poll Tax. Everyone paying their fair share, but deducted at source from the Wages, just like NHS & Tax.

It was surprising to me while working in the Social Security on Direct Payments, the amount of people who were still paying Poll Tax arrears years after it had ended.


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post 15th Dec 2009, 12:05am
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I am sure the people who live next to Hampden would have happily seen it demolished and moved away from houses.
Glasgow Tigers raced there for a few years but were tolerated by the tenents, JUST
Cant think they why they prefered football supporters to a few Speedway fans
Anyway what they have built, is an apology for a national stadium.

Ah maggie gets blamed for all UK ills, how come nobody has reopened mines, steelworks and so on, could the blessed Margaret have been right biggrin.gif
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post 15th Dec 2009, 12:24am
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QUOTE (Heather @ 15th Dec 2009, 12:56am) *
Yes Thatcher made a good job of demolishing Scotland.

I seem to be one of the few who agreed with the Poll Tax. Everyone paying their fair share, but deducted at source from the Wages, just like NHS & Tax.
It was surprising to me while working in the Social Security on Direct Payments, the amount of people who were still paying Poll Tax arrears years after it had ended.


I was one of the few too Heather. I think the poll tax was a much fairer way of obtaining municipal taxes. And by the way, I paid my taxes the first year of the poll tax, but the next year I sold the house and didn't pay the taxes...but there's a wee bit more to it than that. A sheriff in Kilmarnock chased us for a few years then i guess he got fed up and we haven't heard from him for a few years.
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post 15th Dec 2009, 12:42am
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Dugald, are you admitting to being an "outlaw"? ... that would put you in the same category as us contractors; wouldn't it tongue.gif biggrin.gif


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post 15th Dec 2009, 01:46am
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Wis a dump anyway.

She missed Sighthill... but that's under the cosh!

Viva la Maggie.

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post 15th Dec 2009, 04:29am
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If she had shut down Parkheid and Ibrox instead she would have done us all a favour.

There is nothing that Thatcher has not done to Scotland and the working class that wasn't done by Lords Wilson and Callaghan, who paved the way for her and then followed by the Thatcherites, Blair and Broon.

It was Old Labour that closed most of the Scottish pits to make way for Nuclear plants. It was Old Labour the sent the troops IN to Glasgow to empty bins, drive ambulances and fire engines to scab on strikers to impose a Labour Pay Freeze. It was Old Labour that sent Troops IN to Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan. It Old was Labour that collected the Poll Tax in Scotland and repossessed thousands. It was Old and New Labour who refused an amnesty for Poll Tax defaulters in Scotland, whilst England was granted one. It was New Labour that stopped student grants and introduced tuition fees. It was Old Labour who first ripped off Scotland's Oil and New Labour who is ripping off Scotland for London's Olympic debacle. It was Old and New Labour who ripped off the working class by pretending to be "socialist" and out Thatcherisng the Tories.

If there is anything worse that Labour can do to areas, like Glasgow Springburn then we don't want to know.
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post 15th Dec 2009, 07:40am
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As I read it, it was Teddy Taylor who proposed it be demolished, not Mrs Thatcher. And Taylor wasn't even an MP at the time.

That's why they say prejudice is blind.

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post 15th Dec 2009, 09:20am
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It wasn't Thatcher to Taylor who tryied to scrap Hampden. It was Rangers. Plans had already been approved They (Rangers) Jim Watt boxing match when the then chairman spoke to a Tory MP and convinced him that speading the games around the country would be a cheaper option. In other words. Ibrox would hold all the glamour games, like Italy, Spain Brazil while alll other stadiums could hold games like San Marino.
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QUOTE (Macbeast @ 15th Dec 2009, 07:38am) *
As I read it, it was Teddy Taylor who proposed it be demolished, not Mrs Thatcher. And Taylor wasn't even an MP at the time.

That's why they say prejudice is blind.

Aye, as ah wis say.. there are none so blind as the prejudiced.

Maggie is a jist blame goat for so many things, but take a good hard look at Blair and Broon, does she seem as bad noo? She is no angel, but who is?

Wan thing I do admire about her is, at least she had guts and the courage of her convictions, no like the simpering, limp wristit deceitful, lieing self serving foppery we are witness to these days.


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post 15th Dec 2009, 12:28pm
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QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 15th Dec 2009, 01:40am) *
Dugald, are you admitting to being an "outlaw"? ... that would put you in the same category as us contractors; wouldn't it tongue.gif biggrin.gif


Yes Thh, I suppose I really was, but i was able to convince myself that I had rightousness on my side. The first year of the poll-tax the house was in both my wife's name and my name, hence two occupants, therefore we paid the poll-tax for two people. Following this we put the house in my name only, with the intention of just paying poll-tax for one person. Geez, we only used the house for about 4 months in the year. We went to the municipal office in Ayr and argued till we were blue in the face, but holiday-house or no holiday-house, they wouldn't bend (and they were Scottish civil servants, not English!).

Anyway, we had decided to give up the house for reasons other than the tax (it wasn't that bad!), so we sold the house and didn't pay the tax. All kinds of threats followed from a bailiff and a sheriff in Kilmarnock. They told us they would come to our house and remove all the furniture as payment. I told them if they did they would find themselves in deeper trouble than we were.
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post 15th Dec 2009, 01:00pm
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Yes...anything that Thatcher wanted I'm against, and she proved it the way she attacked Scotland....
However, on the issue of Hampden....I did listen to the TV discussion with Archie MacPherson, about this issue, and as much as I hate to admit it......he has a point about the demolition of Hampden...
Had we gone down the line of realising that the new Hampden was a stadium for posers...we might, just might have stood back and realised that the Scottish Game was falling to pieces, and put the money into youth training facilities over Scotland, (probably about 8), and we would not see today such a low-level, and crap football structure...
People ask why we as Scots, have dropped to such a low standard, whereas countries whom we beat regularily, now 'tank us' in style and performance every game....?
Perhaps Big Archie is right, maybe instead of Hating Thatcher so much, we might have looked to the future, and copied what France, Germany, Italy and almost every other country did....spend money on developing the football game...without a showpiece stadium that is a luxury surely we cannot now afford.............needs some thought on the matter...!
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