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> Did Tories Kill 25,000 Glaswegians?, New research points to lethal political attack
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post 27th Jun 2011, 03:52am
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If people used the money they spend on smoking and drinking to buy good healthy food and took up exercise then things would improve. The report is all conjecture and political spin.
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post 27th Jun 2011, 10:14am
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Do you think that Tory policies towards Glasgow in the 80s and 90s were unduly harsh, resulting in the premature deaths of thousands of Glaswegians?

I would have to answer "No", because I don't think there is enough evidence to ascribe the premature deaths to Tory polices of the 80s and 90s. I agree entirely that those polices were unduly harsh, and that they had deleterious effects on the people who suffered under them.


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post 27th Jun 2011, 11:39am
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QUOTE (derick2 @ 27th Jun 2011, 03:45am) *
If people used the money they spend on smoking and drinking to buy good healthy food and took up exercise then things would improve. The report is all conjecture and political spin.

If people used the money they spent on cars to buy horses then at least one improvement would be a balance to the amount of bovine excrement that politicians like to spin. tongue.gif biggrin.gif


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post 27th Jun 2011, 12:44pm
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I kind of agree with Benny as I think the scientists go a bit far with their thinking without actually getting down to some real examples by what they have in mind as a political attack on Dear Old Glasgae Toon.

I think I'd need more evidence. Sorry, but that is how I feel.
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post 27th Jun 2011, 10:58pm
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The GCPH report also mentions Cathy McCormack, a community activist from Easterhouse, and her concept of a 'war without bullets'. Here Cathy talks about her book:


Cathy also talks about the poverty industry and its focus on treating individual symptoms rather than pursuing a holistic approach to cure the causes.

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post 28th Jun 2011, 02:22am
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Generational unemployment has removed the stigma of not earning a living wage and not actively seeking employment. It is a more than a lowering of self esteem, it is a loss of dignity and morale that renders all other considerations such as health, social standing and personal endeavour, nul and void. Third generations brought up on dole money as a right and work ethic as a joke, are not in a position or condition to challenge the conditions that delineate their role in society and their survival in that ethos. Work and the advantages of being financially independent and pride, not only in doing a job well but in the very act of being employed, seems to have over the years been stripped from the hands of Scottish workers and sent on holiday as far south as they will go.
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post 28th Jun 2011, 03:22am
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I think Not Guilty is a fair verdict.Please file.Next case.
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post 28th Jun 2011, 05:54am
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unsure.gif glasgow was an industry city with smoke in the air from polution,dust you name it and as A fact used asbestas which all are killers,remember the coal fires well add that,but someone needed A job so some one had to do it. as for cig and booze the govt made money on that,no one was told facts on health issues did they.As for cancer no one has come up with A cure have they,if you smoke die,if you drink too much your liver is shot.Think about it wasting money on how many health issues glasgow has,as for drugs its the dealers they should go after,spend money on the cure. just my opinion thats all.
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post 29th Jun 2011, 01:15am
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QUOTE (Jupiter @ 28th Jun 2011, 03:15am) *
I think Not Guilty is a fair verdict.Please file.Next case.

Would you care to outline the case for the defence? smile.gif

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post 29th Jun 2011, 01:35am
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QUOTE (Dunvegan @ 28th Jun 2011, 02:15am) *
... Work and the advantages of being financially independent and pride, not only in doing a job well but in the very act of being employed, seems to have over the years been stripped from the hands of Scottish workers and sent on holiday as far south as they will go.

Dunvegan, I agree completely: so many Glaswegians have lost sight of what it means to be financially independent, finding pride in one's own ability to provide for themselves and their family. Tragic.

I've posted the following video many times on these boards; it's from a reporter who is a staunch supporter of the Conservative Party and traditional conservative policies. He absolutely nails the effects of the problems faced in deprived Glasgow.


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post 29th Jun 2011, 01:43am
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QUOTE (weebren3 @ 28th Jun 2011, 05:47am) *
unsure.gif glasgow was an industry city with smoke in the air from polution,dust you name ..

Thanks weebren3, as you say, so many Glaswegians were afflicted by illnesses through ignorance of the facts over many years: asbestos, smoke, tobacco, drink, etc. I'd certainly agree that as much money as possible should be diverted into finding cures for these diseases. Also, hopefully, money could be found to further investigate why it is that Glaswegians are so susceptible to them.

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post 29th Jun 2011, 04:22am
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Ive never been a great believer in cases presented entirely on circumstantial evidence without hard facts to substantiate the charge.In this instance I believe there are no hard facts to prove anyone was killed and certainly not 25,000.I ask where the figure came from?
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post 29th Jun 2011, 12:44pm
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Just as well for you jupiter that the people dont get a say in this - whats new then I can hear you say!!

Last time I looked at the poll more than 2/3 thought the Tories had a case to answer.... and that doesn't take into account the fact that they only have a solitary MSP in the city on the strength of a diminishing vote from the hang-em-high blue rinse brigade.... the people have most definately spoken up for what their verdict would be!!
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post 29th Jun 2011, 01:39pm
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why it is that Glaswegians are so susceptible to them.


There is a theory that we 'Auld Glaswegians' are carriers of yesteryears diseases and have passed them on to the younger generation
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post 29th Jun 2011, 01:45pm
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Keep them coming Tommy and do let us know more about this theory.Has it got a name?
Does anyone on the boards know of anyone who died as a result of the Tories being in Government?
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