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Posted by: GG 3rd Apr 2014, 10:37pm

In possibly the most ill-thought-out decision ever made by Glasgow City Council, the remaining blocks of the Red Road flats are set to be demolished in a hugely-expensive publicity stunt to coincide with the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games on 23rd July this year.

The penultimate act of a £15million demolition programme will see five of the remaining six blocks in the north-east of Glasgow brought down in just 15 seconds so that the spectacle can be broadcast to privileged games' spectators sitting comfortably at Celtic Park a few miles away. The synchronised demolition of the five 30-storey blocks will be relayed live to a 350-foot screen in the stadium in the east end of Glasgow.

The expensive stunt will effectively mark the end of a failed social engineering experiment that condemned tens of thousands of Glaswegians to, as author William McIlvanney put it, "live lives bleaker than anyone should live – and die deaths bleaker than anyone should die". Average life expectancy of residents was tragically short.


A security guard walks through the debris of the first two demolished blocks

During the (in today's money) £100million construction programme to build the flats, 1000 'white mice' workmen – nicknamed because they went home pink-eyed and covered in white asbestos dust – laboured for the Labour council to build a towering disaster. In 1984, following a huge rise in death rates amongst the former Red Road workers, a local action group traced 180 of the workmen, of whom 60 were already dead just a dozen years after construction was completed. Of those 60 brave men, 87% had died from cancers associated with asbestos. The average age of the men when they died was just 51 years old.


Four of the blocks to be demolished. Only a block for asylum seekers will remain.

Speaking about the stunt, Gordon Matheson, leader of the council, said:
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"We are going to wow the world, with the demolition of the Red Road flats set to play a starring role. Red Road has an iconic place in Glasgow's history, having been home to thousands of families and dominating the city's skyline for decades. Their demolition will all but mark the end of high-rise living in the area and is symbolic of the changing face of Glasgow, not least in terms of our preparations for the Games."

Early reader comments on newspaper sites reporting the farce included:
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Congratulations Glasgow City Council - this has to be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

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There are are three core values at the heart of the Commonwealth Games: Humanity, Equality and Destiny – what the blowing up the tallest slums in Europe has to do with these fine values is completely beyond me.

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Glasgow 2014, Glasgow City Council and GHA should be embarrassed. As a city resident for 40 years from birth, this is the craziest idea yet! Has anyone in that shambles of a Council forgotten these flats became notorious for their poor design, deprivation and high crime? Senior City Council Director says it will be "fun and their centre piece". OMG! How do we put a stop to this idiotic idea?




GG.

Posted by: Old Sailor 3rd Apr 2014, 11:33pm

Glasgow continues to entertain and the clowns are in the centre ring of the big top. The events is characterized by the venue City Chambers.

Posted by: ktv 3rd Apr 2014, 11:42pm

A new low for Glasgow city council.

The area was ignored for decades now its to go out in a blaze of glory for the world to see how good it all is/was.

Tourists come before communities.

Posted by: Guest 3rd Apr 2014, 11:46pm

THIS EVENT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AND MUST BE STOPPED NOW!

Posted by: Tarbet 4th Apr 2014, 12:00am

I'm trying to figure out where they think all that asbestos is going to go if they implode! Oh, wait, into the air for those miles around to breathe it in. What an asshat idea!

Posted by: wellfield 4th Apr 2014, 12:02am

C'mon folks!!......What's the story on these people that run Glasgow.....are these people voted in by the people of Glasgow????.....are the common folks of the city allowed in that big palace in George Square or are the doors padlocked.....I can't fathom the thinking of this and many other councils of the past that determine the **FATE** of this city!!...why do they get away with this!!!

Posted by: Gallusbisom 4th Apr 2014, 12:57am

Words fail me just now, and that does not happen very often, as y'all know but Martin can you give us any more info. on this? I will call the relies at first light their time to get their input but this is an unacceptable occurrence .

Posted by: Catarina 4th Apr 2014, 02:18am

Well though I no longer live in Glasgow,but being Glasgow born and raised,I still consider it home.

I cannot find the words to describe this proposed event. People should
take to the streets in protest. It is just absolutely the stupidest, detestful,
inappropriate, mad crazy idea ever. What a black eye for Glasgow to
showcase this to no doubt the world.

The whole Council should be fired.

Posted by: ARu-999 4th Apr 2014, 02:42am

I did volunteer to be a helper at the CG, but work commitments, and the fact that all the CG people wanted me to do was taxi people to and fro from Glasgow airport ... for two weeks! stopped me being part of this celebration. When I hear about this stunt, I am now relieved I have no connection with the games.

I wonder when the Glasgow City Fathers will realise that this is a bad, bad idea? Only when the news coverage pillories the town yet again?

Then these city fathers will slither under the nearest stone to sit out the bad publicity fallout. Foresight and imagination is something these buffoons simply don't have.

Posted by: Gues Donald Anderso 4th Apr 2014, 03:03am

America was blowing up these flats in the 60's as a failed social experiment when Glasgow stated building them in their failed "Scheme" mentality with low amenities. Glasgow would just not listen to the opposition. They had to be built with enough space apart to allow light and they became wind tunnels gathering litter.

They were doomed to failure because of their single class mentality, ending up in a poor, benefits, drug problems ghetto.

When they blew up their mushroom factory flats in the notorious Glasgow Hutchie E they also managed to blow up some of the spectators. They were told by the builders that the flats were designed for the Mediterranean and not a wet northern climate and insisted on going ahead without air conditioning, etc, anyway.

Red Road, like Sighthill flats, is to be used as a dumping ground for asylum seekers, which shows what they think of them anyway.

Posted by: Tommy Kinvig 4th Apr 2014, 06:01am

QUOTE (ktv @ 3rd Apr 2014, 11:59pm) *
a new low for Glasgow city council.

the area was ignored for decades now its to go out in a blaze of glory for the world to see how good it all is/was.

tourists come before communities

The opening of the Games should be a triumphal experience and not what is planned - its like going back to the days of the tramcars 50 years ago rather than looking forward to the further development of the modernity of the east end of the city.

Posted by: zascot 4th Apr 2014, 06:08am

Even here in South Africa when we got the world cup we did not stoop that low.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 4th Apr 2014, 06:11am

QUOTE (zascot @ 4th Apr 2014, 08:25am) *
Even here in South Africa when we got the world cup we did not stoop that low.


Only because the ANC government couldn't figure out how to steal money from it. laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 4th Apr 2014, 06:15am

Sent by BillyK via the report button:

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If as has been said in earlier posts asbestos is in the fabric of the flats I am sure it would be illegal to bring them down in this fashion and so could be stopped very simply by the threat of legal action against the council proposing this fiasco.

GG.

Posted by: GG 4th Apr 2014, 06:53am

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Former MSP protests Red Road demolition plans

[...] Leckie’s petition, however, claims that “there will not be universal joy as [the flats] come down” and that “the image of tower blocks coming down is not a positive international spectacle”.

The petition does not suggest that the flats continue standing, but that GHA should not “[contradict] previous policy of not making a spectacle of the demolition of high-rise flats”.

On Twitter, Leckie – a socialist who sat in the Scottish Parliament between 2003 and 2007 – said she wanted “to ensure Red Road is demolished with dignity, not as entertainment”, and questioned whether there had been any consultation with residents and ex-residents.

She also posed questions about the demolition’s impact on asylum seekers in the last flat, suggesting that it would convey “that the flats are an eyesore, unfit for ‘human’ habitation and that ‘human’ doesn’t include them”.

Update: Please sign the http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/glasgow-city-council-and-the-scottish-government-stop-plan-to-demolish-red-road-flats-as-part-of-commonwealth-games-opening-ceremony-the-homes-and-communities-of-families-should-be-demolished-with-dignity here to have this stopped.

GG.

Posted by: Mathieson 4th Apr 2014, 06:55am

Hugely, hugely embarrassing for the city and for Scotland as a whole. Whoever thought this crass stunt up should be thrown from the roof of one of the buildings.

Any past efforts to improve the image of the city will surely be in ruins if this crackpot idea goes ahead.

Posted by: snarler63 4th Apr 2014, 07:17am

It really is becoming time that we make our public officials fully accountable. An immediate inquiry should be made to identify whatever graduate from the University of Bollocks came up with this piece of nonsense and they should be given an hour to clear out their desk, and bus fare to the local job centre.

Surely no-one in their right mind could suggest exploding buildings with asbestos in their matrix and depending what way the wind is blowing contaminating God only knows how big an area.

Or is it that they are trying to cure any homesickness being felt by asylum seekers from Beirut and parts of Syria etc. by letting them live somewhere that looks like home.

Posted by: pumps100 4th Apr 2014, 07:24am

When I read about this I thought it was a late April Fools' joke. It is totally crazy.

Glasgow City Council should be ashamed of themselves. It is like something you'd expect to see being discussed in something like the BBC's comedy shows 20/20 or W1A. They need to take a step back and take some reality pills.

I understand the 'champion' for the crazy idea is Eileen Gallagher who is an independent director for the games. So that I won't be accused of lacking detail, I better give her full title:

"Eileen Gallagher - Independent Director Glasgow 2014 Board and Chair of the Ceremonies, Culture and Queen’s Baton Relay Committee"

I think the title says it all. Totally mad and hair-brained.

Regards

Ian

Posted by: Guest 4th Apr 2014, 07:26am

Glasgow council should hang their heads in shame...

Posted by: Dylan 4th Apr 2014, 07:37am

I also thought it was an April Fool joke.

How crass , how embarrassing .!

Posted by: *carabella* 4th Apr 2014, 07:43am

I heard this last night on Scotland tonight, couldn't believe it ! What a sick depraved idea ! We have to stop this going ahead.Surely there are other ideas that Glasgow City Council could come up with as an opening ceremony. There are a lot of people going to be watching their past being demolished on worldwide TV. They will think it's a terrorist attack !like the twin towers and probably think that Glasgow people are completely off their trolley!! Glasgow city council should be ashamed of themselves for this totally ludicrous idea.

Posted by: Gordon MacNiven 4th Apr 2014, 07:44am

My old mum lived in such a high rise at Knightswood. It was a miserable place, several stories up and should have been demolished. My last visit there 25 years ago was depressing. Her balcony was home to thousands of squealing pigeons which had turned the balcony into a guano cave. I tried to bring her to Australia but the then Labor Govt. wouldn't allow her in because she wasn't Asian. Nevertheless, turning the demolition into a rich man's circus seems to be what governments of all stripes do when they need to create massive sports arenas.

Posted by: greta 4th Apr 2014, 07:46am

Crazy idea, not surprised where it came from, am surprised that even they thought of it.

Posted by: Lochlassie 4th Apr 2014, 07:57am

I was in Dundee last summer when they demolished the flats in Hilltown, I was at Morrisons off Forfar road, probably about 2 miles from the site. I stepped outside and the dust and grit and smell was just horrendous. Everyone got covered in it, the cars in the carpark were covered in it. This was the aftermath of just two blocks being imploded.

I am embarrassed at the government's decision to use this as a gimmick at what should be Scotlands proudest day this year.

I fully agree they need to be demolished as they are not a petty sight as they stand just now but why oh why would anyone suggest it be done in this fashion.

I spent a lot of my childhood in the flats as my gran lived there and I find this disrespectful.

Posted by: Melody 4th Apr 2014, 08:04am

My response to this news was WHAT!!!!! angry.gif I just don't know what to make of it. Other than the fools have taken over the asylum. A bit like the UK Government..

Posted by: Maribo 4th Apr 2014, 08:16am

I've always been proud to be a Glaswegian, but I think I'll be keeping my head down from now on. Don't they realise this will be seen all over the world? It must be the worst idea they have ever had. OK they have to come down, and it will save them spending money on entertainment, but why not just show scenes of the Scottish Highlands, I'm sure that would be much more entertaining and a lot cheaper.

Posted by: gardenqueen 4th Apr 2014, 08:18am

I have signed the petition. Although I haven't lived in Glasgow for many years, I fail to see the connection between these "events". A bit of dignity, please.

Posted by: ashfield 4th Apr 2014, 08:22am

I doubt there is any asbestos in these buildings as they have long since been stripped out to a bare shell.

Notwithstanding that, I am at a loss to understand how these two events could logically be put together. Who in their right mind would think that anyone outside Glasgow would have any interest in the demolition of the Red Road flats, or that the event is in any way a cause for celebration.

I keep thinking the council has run out of ways to embarrass us, and they keep proving me wrong.

Posted by: Scotsman 4th Apr 2014, 08:37am

Shameful.... absolutely shameful!! Do these people have no shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ_saFL4d-g

How can this be allowed to happen increased 5 times??

Posted by: Jupiter 4th Apr 2014, 08:39am

What I would like to know,what I would pay money to know is WHAT is the name of the person who put up this proposal in the first place.Let that person show him/herself and we the citizens of Glasgow will know who is responsible for bringing ridicule on this great city and who has single handedly turned the whole Commonwealth Games scenario into a farce.
After the Olympics and the soccer World Cup the Commonwealth Games is censored.png the biggest worldwide sports event and this is the best they can come up with.Proprietary stops me using stronger language.

Posted by: Dylan 4th Apr 2014, 09:24am

It reminds me of something out of The Simpsons. !

Posted by: Macas1954 4th Apr 2014, 09:26am

It is bloody disgraceful putting this forward as a centre attraction for these sports events what HAS this got to do with sport. The amount of people who have died that helped to build these horrible flats through asbestos (mostly some kind of CANCER) only a an idiot sitting in a wee office with nothing better to do than think this will be great, have they asked the people who stayed there, NO AND I HAVE A GOOD IDEA THAT EVEN THEY WILL BE DISGUSTED AS WELL.

Posted by: Heather 4th Apr 2014, 09:35am

When I heard this on the News last night, I thought it was a joke, I sat there waiting for the punch line.

A group of wee lassies doing the Highland Fling in the street, would be more entertaining that watching those flats being demolished as part of the opening ceremony.

Posted by: Guest 4th Apr 2014, 09:35am

QUOTE (GG @ 4th Apr 2014, 07:10am) *
Update: Please sign the http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/glasgow-city-council-and-the-scottish-government-stop-plan-to-demolish-red-road-flats-as-part-of-commonwealth-games-opening-ceremony-the-homes-and-communities-of-families-should-be-demolished-with-dignity here to have this stopped.

GG.

Please keep signing everyone. We have 1000+ signatures already!

Posted by: Mathieson 4th Apr 2014, 10:15am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 4th Apr 2014, 09:56am) *
What I would like to know,what I would pay money to know is WHAT is the name of the person who put up this proposal in the first place.Let that person show him/herself and we the citizens of Glasgow will know who is responsible for bringing ridicule on this great city and who has single handedly turned the whole Commonwealth Games scenario into a farce.
After the Olympics and the soccer World Cup the Commonwealth Games is censored.png the biggest worldwide sports event and this is the best they can come up with.Proprietary stops me using stronger language.

See post #18 from Pumps100 above for the name of the genius in question, mate. No doubt this lady will be "earning" an obscene amount of money for capers like this.

No wonder large areas of Glasgow are a right bloody mess when much-needed money is squandered in paying eye-watering amounts to clowns to come up with garbage like this.

Posted by: Dylan 4th Apr 2014, 10:24am

QUOTE (Guest @ 4th Apr 2014, 10:52am) *
Please keep signing everyone. We have 1000+ signatures already!

Signed.

Posted by: ktv 4th Apr 2014, 10:25am

QUOTE (GG @ 4th Apr 2014, 07:32am) *
Sent by BillyK via the report button:

GG.

All the asbestos has been removed from the flats.

Still a disgrace though.

Posted by: Maribo 4th Apr 2014, 11:01am

Thought of another reason why this shouldn't be done, other than it is a disgusting idea. Many people who will be watching throughout the world could be traumatised, as the last time buildings came down on public TV was 9/11. Surely this can't be allowed to happen.

Posted by: carmella 4th Apr 2014, 11:05am

I'm utterly disgusted at how low GCC could stoop. I'll be honest, when I first heard this I wondered if this was GCC's April Fool, not for a second did I think they were serious about this.

It's a disgrace that they would even put this forward for consideration, given its awful history. Men died prematurely because of asbestos, from working and building these, and I agree with William McIlvanney totally.

Oh please don't let them profit from this. I have signed the online petition - hopefully, it will go some way to showing disgust.

I have never lived in anything higher than two storeys but I have often wondered what it would be like to live in a high rise flat, and I just can't imagine it.

The only thing good about high rise in my opinion regardless of where they are, is the obvious view you must get from them.

I believe the views from the Red Road flats was fantastic - but people still had to live there. I am so angered about all of this. Watching a BBC interview with absolutely excited and elated Council Member of Glasgow City, made me sick to my stomach - they think they're doing a wonderful thing, what plant do these people live on?

Posted by: Lobey Dosser 4th Apr 2014, 11:07am

This angers and disgusts me on so many levels that I am not sure where to start. But lets be very clear here what the pinstripe ponces who run George Square are doing here, they are sticking two fingers up at ordinary Glaswegians and saying "HA-HA to youse" because we've destroyed 60,000 social houses in the city in the last 20 years and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Such nasty crassness is to be expected from these muppets but now they are so confident that they will get away with it that they think they can do anything, all the time rubbing the noses of ordinary people in the dirt. In the latest batch of ethnic cleansing of white working classes focused on the East End of Glasgow the council has destroyed 11,000 GHA homes, letting private developers step in to create 6,500 private properties with sky-high rents and then built just 500 social housing properties. Net loss to the people: 10,500 homes.

Posted by: ktv 4th Apr 2014, 11:09am

And not to mention all the locals who cant afford to go to the opening ceremony wont even be able to watch it in the house now as theyl all be evacuated.

Posted by: Guest - MurdoR 4th Apr 2014, 01:31pm

As the last Chairman of the Red Road Tenants' Association, I don't think I'll ever forgive Glasgow City Council and the Glasgow Housing Association for the way they stigmatised tenants living in tower during the Stock Transfer process.

The transfer process masked the so-called Multi-Story Review process with many tenants unaware they were being mobilised to pressure others out of their homes.

In the early nineties, enormous sums were spent to improve these flats, and introduce a Concierge system that was, on the whole, enormously successful.. They could have become a model for public housing.

The flats were used, at short notice, to house refugees from the wars in the former Yugoslavia and later from other conflicts. These were a massive improvement on the conditions that Chilean refugees were forced to live in the seventies and eighties. They were structurally the most sound buildings in the city and were designed so that their use could be amended. They would have addressed the need for one-bedroom accommodation that places people undergoing the Housing Benefit cuts that the so-called Bedroom Tax now affects

But for politicians and planners desperate to manufacture new media images of Glasgow they have to come down. It is appropriate that they will be inked to the Commonwealth Games because they show the city's rulers are more interested in media constructed stunts while ignoring the real needs of the citizens.

Posted by: exglaswegian 4th Apr 2014, 02:22pm

The first thing my wife said on seeing this on the news was that all it would do would look like and remind people of the twin towers terrorist attack. I just don't see this as being an appropriate spectacle to open the games.

Posted by: macjackb 4th Apr 2014, 02:46pm

As someone has already said, I thought when I first read this that I was just a bit late catching up with some of the April Fool stories. I really hoped that the Games would at best be an incredibly expensive way of bringing about small, lasting, sustainable and realistic improvements to a part of town that's become scarred by emptiness, facelessness and general population cleansing. The worst I expected was that they would pass off fairly peacefully without any feelings of real shame and embarrassment. How wrong I was.

No one on here needs reminding of the problems associated with these flats, and I don't disagree. But they were a creature of their times. They were what was at the time regarded as one pf the principle solutions to an urgent need. After my Dad helped to build them, my grandparents were among the first tenants on one of the thirtieth storeys, and as with many such housing solutions that eventually went wrong, enjoyed living there with the neighbours around them. The fact that they became so synonymous with negativity as the years progressed says as much about how society itself changed as it does about the flats themselves. To me, the point is that they were built, for all their faults, for reasons of good. The last Tenants Association chairman has written about the force for good that they became for people fleeing from harm elsewhere. Their time may now be up, but their story should be included with that of the city. To see that history mocked and insulted like this is an act of shame that could have been concocted only by minds bordering on misanthropic, and certainly so clueless about what they city is about that they should be nowhere near positions of power.

Posted by: angel 4th Apr 2014, 03:13pm

Is the " Glasgow City Council / Funny Farm " charging for this grand event .

Posted by: droschke7 4th Apr 2014, 04:58pm

I was talking to an acquaintance yesterday who used to work in the office that made that decision, he's no longer working due to ill health, according to him this was signed off on 5 years ago without any thought of the Commonwealth games.

Posted by: Billbhein 4th Apr 2014, 05:19pm

When I first heard this story I wondered how they were going to tie this event into the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games? I could imagine the massed Pipers being pushed aside by the orchestra from the Last Night of the Proms playing the 1812 Overture, with the Red Road Flats collapsing to the booms of the finale! Totally mad, as is the person who thought this was a good way to present Glasgow to the world.

This idea should be quietly forgotten, but the flats still have to come down. It would be better picking a wet drizzly night, well before the opening ceremony. Bring them down at around midnight, let the rain deal with the dust cloud whilst most people will be in bed. The Glasgow District Councillor's should be forced to standby with brushes to help with the clean-up as community payback!

Bill

Posted by: Guvin Wullie 4th Apr 2014, 11:15pm

QUOTE (Gues Donald Anderso @ 4th Apr 2014, 03:20am) *
America was blowing up these flats in the 60's as a failed social experiment when Glasgow stated building them in their failed "Scheme" mentality with low amenities. Glasgow would just not listen to the opposition. They had to be built with enough space apart to allow light and they became wind tunnels gathering litter.

They were doomed to failure because of their single class mentality, ending up in a poor, benefits, drug problems ghetto.

When they blew up their mushroom factory flats in the notorious Glasgow Hutchie E they also managed to blow up some of the spectators. They were told by the builders that the flats were designed for the Mediterranean and not a wet northern climate and insisted on going ahead without air conditioning, etc, anyway.

Red Road, like Sighthill flats, is to be used as a dumping ground for asylum seekers, which shows what they think of them anyway.

These ready made slums were never more than a "committee" inspired solution to create ghettos where they would never dream of living. They are an eyesore and an embarrasement. They were pulled down in Melbourne the remainder left for "asylum seekers etc". They are, these souless monoliths, and always will be a place of social dysfunctionality. For those voices decrying their timely destruction I would say this "Would you want to live in them? Would you want your sons and daughters, grand children to live in them. Cities are always developing, changing and growing. There was a television program recently on how the ancient Romans lived. There were tenaments still on display built 2000 odd years ago. They were regarded as slums even then and as undesireable places to live. They were preserved for posterity but unlike the devoid of character and inspiration they served a function. There is nothing to merit the continuing"preservation of these obnoxious failed experiments in communal living.

Posted by: Guest 4th Apr 2014, 11:45pm

This absurd nonsense typifies the mentality of the current administration in Glasgow. As many people who have a sense of what is right and wrong have posted there is something seriously wrong with the mindset of the persons who seriously thought this was a way to promote the financial disaster of the Commonwealth Games. Large swathes of property have been destroyed and the long term self interest of some individuals and their organizations has been pandered to at great cost to the people of Glasgow. We should remember who was the council leader at the time that this nonsense was foisted on the city and what his weaknesses were. Future generations will still be paying for this nonsense when the much vaunted rebuilding programme is once more a collections of slums.

Posted by: Guest 5th Apr 2014, 02:22am

QUOTE (Gordon MacNiven @ 4th Apr 2014, 08:01am) *
My old mum lived in such a high rise at Knightswood. It was a miserable place, several stories up and should have been demolished. My last visit there 25 years ago was depressing. Her balcony was home to thousands of squealing pigeons which had turned the balcony into a guano cave. I tried to bring her to Australia but the then Labor Govt. wouldn't allow her in because she wasn't Asian. Nevertheless, turning the demolition into a rich man's circus seems to be what governments of all stripes do when they need to create massive sports arenas.

"This is an act of terrorism perpetrated by the Council and should be treated as such."

Posted by: taurus 5th Apr 2014, 03:10am

Sydney is still paying off the "best ever Olympic games" 14 years later.The tourist income doesn`t justify the financial burden placed on the city.The hotels and folk like that make some money from exorbitant prices,but the bottom line is a heap of debt for the host city.Away back in 1993 when Sydney was announced as the winner (to great back slapping and hugging among the councillors) the 'loser' would have been more apt, the carnival atmosphere around the place for a couple of weeks was not value for money.I sincerely hope the games bring some kind of fortune to our dear green place,but I`d be surprised if the man in the street gets any benefit from it just like here. Infrastructure suffered and is still suffering for a State Govt. crying poor mouth.I hope with all my heart the council will do a back flip on the public spectacle of the implosion. A big pipe band and Scottish dancers would be the go for the opening.



Posted by: tamhickey 5th Apr 2014, 05:00am

Yes, the Red Road flats are due to come down, but to do it in this way with the world watching is hugely embarassing. The council will make it look as if they're redeveloping the city with these scenes, but the council have refused to spend any money in the Springburn/Balornock/Barmulloch areas for many years. Take a look at the dilapidated state of Springburn Park nowadays, what passes for a shopping centre in Springburn, zero places for the community to meet up in Barmulloch ie, no bars, cafes, restaurants, bingo halls any longer, very little provision in Balornock either and the council's decision to demolish Springburn's community centre despite it just needing some TLC.

Investment? If anything investment in this part of the city has been withdrawn for decades now, and neither our local MPS, MSP'S and councillors have done anything to stop the slow degeneration of this area. The council made millions from Central Government in order to house Asylum Seekers yet we haven't seen a penny being spent by them here. (By them, I mean the council).Now they plan to disgrace this area even further thanks to a middle class eejit who no doubt doesn't even live in the city, unless it's in the leafy suburbs. Disgraceful.

Posted by: ktv 5th Apr 2014, 07:54am

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 5th Apr 2014, 06:17am) *
Yes, the Red Road flats are due to come down, but to do it in this way with the world watching is hugely embarassing. ...

You said everything i was about to.

It is a disgrace the way the area has been abandoned for years and now being used to make the council look good.

Posted by: Peter Docherty 5th Apr 2014, 12:34pm

The Health & Safety Executive should study & analyse the proposals to produce a report on the safety aspect of all the asbestos dust that will be produced in the atmosphere. Asbestos is not a great hazard as long as it is not broken up. It is the dust particles that cause all the problems, i.e. cancer of the lungs, etc. One can only imagine the amount of dust that will be produced by the demolition. What are these people thinking of ? Certainly not the health of the people that they bare supposed to represent.

Posted by: ktv 5th Apr 2014, 01:38pm

Pete

All the asbestos has been removed from the blocks....thats what theyve been doing for the last 5 years.

Posted by: *Stillroom* 5th Apr 2014, 02:34pm

Words fail me how on earth can they think that this would show the world the best of Glasgow, how about the achievements of all our inventors etc.

After reading this mornings paper I shouldn't be surprised this is the council that refused to fly the flag for returning soldiers!!

Posted by: John Bogie 5th Apr 2014, 03:27pm

I would like to know who thought up this lame brained idea in the first place, if it was anything to do with Alex Salmond and the scottish government....... then I know which way I will be voting come September. Sorry Alex. Whoever it was should be sacked immediately, what sort of message does this relay to the rest of the world ?

IDIOTIC IDEA !

Posted by: GG 5th Apr 2014, 08:52pm

QUOTE (*Stillroom* @ 5th Apr 2014, 03:51pm) *
[...] After reading this mornings paper I shouldn't be surprised this is the council that refused to fly the flag for returning soldiers!!

Last month, they did something just as bad, if not worse:
QUOTE
Council snub tribute plan for Glasgow war hero

Officials have turned down a request from the community of Nitshill to name a new street after Sergeant John Meikle, who was awarded the Victoria Cross for his heroism during the First World War.

Sergeant Meikle died as he single-handedly, and armed only with a revolver and a stick, took out a German machine gun.

The former Nitshill railway station clerk was given the UK's highest military honour, for "conspicuous bravery and initiative".

But despite his legend, there is no memorial to him in the city after it was vandalised in the 1970s and moved to Dingwall in the Highlands, where his battalion was stationed during the war.

Local people, backed by Greater Pollok councillor David McDonald, have since been looking at ways to honour the fallen hero.

They approached a company building homes on disused land near the station with the idea of naming a new street after Sergeant Meikle. Councillor McDonald said they agreed it would be a fitting tribute.

But the plans hit the buffers after Glasgow City Council wrote to councillor McDonald stating that their guidelines "do not allow the use of names of people", dead or alive, to be used for streets.

Mr McDonald has hit out at the "stupid policy" and urged the council to overturn it.

GG.

Posted by: DavidT 5th Apr 2014, 09:16pm

guidelines "do not allow the use of names of people", dead or alive, to be used for streets...said a council spokes person from an office in GEORGE Square.

These people have no respect and no understanding of what or who the city should honour. It seems that every day they come out with more and more shameful and embarrassing statements.

Posted by: stratson 5th Apr 2014, 10:47pm

Get them out! You know not to vote this lot in next local election.

Posted by: Talisman 6th Apr 2014, 03:35am

QUOTE (taurus @ 5th Apr 2014, 03:27am) *
Sydney is still paying off the "best ever Olympic games" 14 years later.The tourist income doesn`t justify the financial burden placed on the city.The hotels and folk like that make some money from exorbitant prices,but the bottom line is a heap of debt for the host city.Away back in 1993 when Sydney was announced as the winner (to great back slapping and hugging among the councillors) the 'loser' would have been more apt, the carnival atmosphere around the place for a couple of weeks was not value for money.I sincerely hope the games bring some kind of fortune to our dear green place,but I`d be surprised if the man in the street gets any benefit from it just like here. Infrastructure suffered and is still suffering for a State Govt. crying poor mouth.I hope with all my heart the council will do a back flip on the public spectacle of the implosion. A big pipe band and Scottish dancers would be the go for the opening.

With respect, I don't agree, Sir. Sydney is one of the most livable cities in the world and has an enviable standard of living, with the most expensive properties outside of Hong Kong. The Olympics were a massive boost to the economy of Sydney and the flow on effect lasted 10 years; you can't expect it to go on forever and there was strict price control on the rental of accommodation during the Olympics. You may have been dismayed at the atmosphere but its that perhaps sour grapes on your part? And where did you get those statistics from; obviously the greens to whom all things beneficial to Australia and to the joy of its' populace are sour grapes.

Posted by: d.c. 6th Apr 2014, 12:32pm

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New safety fears over demolition of Red Road flats

FEARS have been raised about the safety of demolishing five Red Road tower blocks as part of the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony after it emerged that a previous "blowdown" at the site sent debris flying well beyond the exclusion zone.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/new-safety-fears-over-demolition-of-red-road-flats.23883112

Posted by: Alex Saville 6th Apr 2014, 04:45pm

Just catching up with this topic today. What a dumb idea, but, not surprising after all the other dumb ideas to come out of George Square.

Wellfield, in answer to your question, "Are these people voted in by the people of Glasgow?".
The answer is 'Yes & No'.
At the last Municipal Elections in 2011, the Daily Record reported that Labour Party activist's were concerned that Glaswegians were 'Not engaging' with the campaign.
As you will realise, that means they weren't interested!
The SNP, on the other hand, thought all they had to do on the day after the elections was to turn up and take power.
Most Glaswegians didn't think much of their policies either so, as the saying goes around here (Springburn), Labour could get a monkey elected and they proceeded to prove that.
67.1% of Glaswegians didn't vote as they clearly didn't think change was about to take place. In other words. same old, same old.
So, yes they were elected by some.

Tamhickey
You are absolutely correct, the council made millions from money to shelter asylum seekers but didn't spend a penny round here.
Springburn Public Halls was demolished in an act of Cultural Vandalism last Christmas after 26 years of neglect. No doubt the ground is earmarked for some friend of the Labour Council, namely a property developer!
But wait a minute, perhaps that money is being used to provide the 'Gay House' at the Commonwealth Games. No need to spend it on anything to benefit Glaswegians, spend it on something to get their name in the Gay newspapers and websites.

GG
Your report on the refusal by the council to name a street after a Glaswegian who won the VC and died for his trouble.
I refer to the comment from some nameless official that streets weren't named after people dead or alive is clearly a bare faced lie.
Didn't they re-name a city centre street, for political reasons, after an African terrorist, namely Nelson Mandela, a man who condoned bombing?
Different rules for different political reasons.
Alex

Posted by: GG 6th Apr 2014, 06:30pm

QUOTE (d.c. @ 6th Apr 2014, 01:49pm) *
New safety fears over demolition of Red Road flats

FEARS have been raised about the safety of demolishing five Red Road tower blocks as part of the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony after it emerged that a previous "blowdown" at the site sent debris flying well beyond the exclusion zone.

Watch this video and – as Scotsman mentioned earlier with a different video – imagine the effect of five structures coming down at once. Crazy that the council should be seeking to publicise and promote this when expert opinion is that members of the public should be actively deterred from attending such events. I think we are going to see exactly what kind of society we live in here – are the opinions of the self-promoting privileged elites who make up our political class going to triumph over public outrage and revulsion combined the considered evaluation of professional expertise? This is going to get very interesting indeed...!


GG.

Posted by: GG 6th Apr 2014, 06:37pm

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Thousands opposed to Games tower block explosions

More than 4,000 people have signed an online petition opposing plans to demolish Glasgow tower blocks as part of the city's Commonwealth Games.

Five of the six remaining Red Road blocks of flats will be blown up on 23 July as part of the opening ceremony.

The footage will be beamed live into the Glasgow 2014 event at Celtic Park.

Some opponents believe the plans are insensitive to former residents and asylum seekers currently living in the sixth block.

This block, in Petershill Court, is due to be demolished at a later date.

The Glasgow 2014 organisers believe the demolition of the derelict 1960s flats will show how Glasgow is changing for the better while celebrating the role the flats have played in the lives of thousands of city families.

So far, about 4,280 people have signed an online petition lodged by former Socialist MSP Carolyn Leckie. ...

Full story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-26913582

Petition here:
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/glasgow-city-council-and-the-scottish-government-stop-plan-to-demolish-red-road-flats-as-part-of-commonwealth-games-opening-ceremony-the-homes-and-communities-of-families-should-be-demolished-with-dignity

GG.

Posted by: GG 6th Apr 2014, 08:12pm

Two comments of possible interest from across the web:

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The Red Road's reputation for crime, disorder and deprivation was not quickly or naturally gained. Rather, it was the direct result of seeding the area with known anti-social types whilst simultaneously abdicating responsibility for proper stewardship and maintenance of the place; and it evolved over some two decades or more! - If there was social engineering at play, the physical buildings played little part in it. The scheme was deliberately mismanaged.

I know, for I was there - having, since the age of 10, enjoyed a good upbringing in a warm, comfortable flat in the scheme. And later - again from one of the flats in the scheme - starting what is now one of the longest-established video production companies in Scotland.

The decline of the Red Road past the point of no return has been carefully orchestrated. And it’s history written by those who brought it down to paint the pictures they require to justify their actions... Why for instance bring in a London-based Australian to write stories about the place? Or some guy from East Kilbride, now based in Blackpool, to take the ‘official’ photographs of its demise? Springburn is known for producing its own fair share of creatives! As is Glasgow generally!

Matt Quinn.

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[...] In many parts of the city Glasgow is now witnessing the fourth phase of demolition and rebuild in the space of 120 years. This city has a habit of mindless physical regeneration that occurs at the detriment to actual community regeneration. It knows no other tactic and strategy for improving the lives of the marginalised urban poor than to destroy the de-humanising box that they currently live in and place them in a brand new de-humanising box that is then positioned in a wider physical environment that dictates activity and behaviour in a manner that gradually deteriorates the human spirit. Places like Red Road don't decline because tall buildings are a bad place to live, it is because those places were made without the opportunity and invitation for the inhabitants to generate a culture through their own creativity and to meaningfully effect and develop their community in an organic and responsive manner. There is floods of new social housing going up all over Glasgow at the moment which will no doubt win their architects awards and bring smiles to the faces of their new inhabitants when they move into their new shiny, warm homes with a drive at the front and a garden at the back but I can't help but think that until we start asking questions about what we want people to do in these places, how a place can truly bring delight into the every day and how people can see and touch the opportunity to create their own place then we will find in another 30 years we might need to start all over again.

This is obviously an extremely long winded response to what I think is a sick , ill considered, tactless, mindless show of misguided bravado. It says to the rest of the world that through neglect, mismanagement, dereliction of public duty, and a lack of care we fucked it up so badly and so profoundly that we have to destroy it and start all over again.

While they are at it maybe it's worth popping some dynamite under the emirates, under the east end regeneration route, under the bland and monotonous office developments, and under the ugly, ill considered, poorly planned social housing that's popping up near the M74 and saving our selves another 30 years of barely managed decline until we do it all over again for the opening ceremony of the 2044 Glasgow Commonwealth Games.

Done now x.

Lee Ivett.

GG.

Posted by: d.c. 7th Apr 2014, 09:17am

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Bosses reply to criticism of Red Road demolition plans

NEWS of the demolition of the Red Road flats has caused a great deal of reaction.

Many questions have been asked about making this part of the opening ceremony for the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. We have put some of those questions to Dr Bridget McConnell, chief executive of Glasgow Life; David Grevemberg, chief executive of Glasgow 2014; and David Fletcher, director of regeneration at Glasgow Housing Association

Isn't the move to blow down the flats as part of an entertainment spectacular insensitive to the memory of the people who lived in them? They will clearly be upset at the demise of the place they once called home …

McConnell: This bold image - for present and future generations - will create an unforgettable moment in time to mark how Glasgow continues to strive for better. For more than five decades the flats have played a role in shaping the lives of thousands of families, for whom these flats have simply been home. The end of Red Road is too important for Glasgow not to share.

Grevemberg: By sharing and commemorating the final moments of the Red Road flats with the world as part of the Opening Ceremony, Glasgow is showing it is a city that is proud of its history but does not stand still. It shows a city constantly regenerating, renewing and re-inventing itself. Our story, Glasgow's story, is always one of its people; their tenacity, their genuine warmth, their ambitions. And along with the story of the Commonwealth, we are reflecting the symbolism of where we have been and where we are going.

How can you guarantee the demolition will go off as planned when you will be dependent on other factors?

Fletcher: As with all of GHA's scheduled demolitions, this programme will be conducted within a full health and safety regime. The priority is, as it is in every case, keeping people safe and ensuring people and communities most directly impacted are involved and informed in the process. This demolition is no different in that regard. We have already demolished two blocks at Red Road and many blocks elsewhere in the city that have all gone to plan.

Grevemberg: Health and safety is paramount in all of this. Planning for the Opening Ceremony will also include a version of the show that does not include the demolition aspect should it not be possible to take place for any reason.

While the demolition will be spectacular, is the destruction of tower block slums really the message Glasgow wants to send out to the world, especially those in the Commonwealth who live in far worse slums than this?

McConnell: This is about more than creating an iconic moment for the Opening Ceremony; it is about the next step in the regeneration of one of Glasgow's most famous communities. It symbolises the changing face of the city over the years and recognises our proud social history. Glasgow's Opening Ceremony is right to celebrate that history, but we will do so in a sensitive manner.

We have worked with former residents for the last six years to get the story of Red Road. This is their story and the voice of real Glaswegians should rightly be heard during the ceremony and the story of Red Road should be shared with the world. Of course, this is one small part of a much larger show that will entertain, inspire and show Glasgow in a spectacular light.

Grevemberg: We want these ceremonies to be authentic and courageous. We could easily just have a celebration that showcases predictable segments, but that would not be genuine, provocative or true to Glasgow.

Isn't the destruction of these tower blocks as part of a global entertainment spectacle depicting Glasgow as a place that celebrates social failure?

McConnell: The demolition of the flats is not about social failure - in fact, the opposite is true. The flats were once the future of social housing in the city and over the years have been home to thousands of families. We are celebrating their role in our history and want to make sure their role is properly marked.

Grevemberg: The regeneration of Glasgow has, so far, seen tens of thousands of former council homes refurbished in a £1.2billion modernisation programme, which is the biggest of its kind in Europe. It has also seen hundreds of new affordable homes built, old and unpopular tower blocks brought down, communities revitalised and thousands of jobs and apprenticeships created for local people. Not to mention projects such as Glasgow 2014's Athletes Village, itself a catalyst for neighbourhood regeneration of the city's East End.

All of this is modern Glasgow's story, a story of looking forward with bold ambition while not forgetting the past.

Why aren't the residents who are being moved out being offered tickets for the Games?

Grevemberg: As is normal during GHA demolition work, facilities will be provided for residents who will be temporarily evacuated during the event. Local venues will be open to them throughout the evacuation period with refreshments and entertainment provided. And, as this will be during the Opening Ceremony for the Games, they are also invited to join in the celebrations by soaking up the atmosphere at the Games Live Event within Glasgow Green.

To ensure a fair approach for everyone, we have made clear since launching our ticketing programme last year that there would be no free tickets. A total of 70% of our tickets for all sports sessions were made available for the public, ensuring events are accessible and tickets affordable.

Will the cash to pay for the demolition now come out of the Games budget or will it remain with Glasgow Housing Association?

Fletcher: The demolition is part of GHA's planned demolition programme that has already been budgeted for. Glasgow 2014 and Glasgow City Council are supporting events for residents affected by the demolition plans.

What safety measures are in place for the demolition?

Fletcher: Safety is our primary focus, as with every demolition we carry out. Our demolition contractor, Safedem, will put in place a wide range of measures on each block to contain the blast and minimise any flying debris. Safedem will also establish a large exclusion zone around the blocks to provide further protection. Again, this is exactly in line with our normal practice.

Our contractor has an extremely experienced and skilled team, who have safely delivered a number of our demolition contracts within the city over the past years. Its track record and safety record are exemplary and GHA is confident of the contractor's ability to deliver this project.

Grevemberg: This project is only possible because so many key people and organisations across the city and Scotland have invested their energies and time to commit to making it happen safely and in a controlled manner. These include our Games partners, the Scottish Government and Glasgow City Council, as well as Police Scotland, British Transport Police, the Health and Safety Executive, Network Rail, First ScotRail, and NG Holmes. Safety will be paramount and the blowdown will only take place during the Opening Ceremony if and when it is safe to do so.

Doesn't the fact the only tower block left standing will be home to asylum seekers send out the message that these unfortunates only merit accommodation Glasgow considers unfit for Glaswegians?

McConnell: Glasgow was the only local authority in Scotland to rehouse asylum seekers as part of the UK Government dispersal programme and the city has shown an unparalleled commitment in this area. The contract for the remaining block in Petershill Court is due to end later this year and work will continue to provide suitable accommodation for asylum seekers after this date.

Fletcher: The remaining block at 33 Petershill Drive will also come down in due course but cannot be part of this operation. The block is leased to Orchard & Shipman and there are still people living in it at present. The whole site, including this block, is due to be demolished and the site cleared by 2017, as was always planned.

Were the residents consulted about the plans for demolition?

Fletcher: Thursday was the start of engaging with local people about this. The council leader wrote to each household affected to explain the plans. That was the first step in a comprehensive process. Now our demolition contractor will begin detailed conversations with every household to understand their exact needs for the day and to help make arrangements for them.

Will the remaining residents face looking out on to a mountain of rubble for yearsto come?

Fletcher: After the blowdown, there will be a large pile of debris that will be processed for recycling. Work on clearing it will start immediately. About 50,000 tonnes of steel and rubble will be crushed, graded and recycled. It is expected 99% of the building rubble and steel can be recycled.


http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/bosses-reply-to-criticism-of-red-road-demolition-plans-158603n.23883391


Posted by: Scotsman 7th Apr 2014, 12:14pm

Trying again.... yes GG thats a better example of the video and the dust coming from just a single building going down.... like I said if you can imagine what it will be like from 5 buildings?? Also can you imagine if this on Newton Mearns and whether they residents would allow this to happen. There might be asbestos in that dust and it will take ages to clear from peoples streets and gardens.... hope we are not down wind of that!!

Posted by: Guest 7th Apr 2014, 02:52pm

With respect, a timely and cogent reminder that not everyone interprets the complex issues to be considered through the kind of rose-tinted spectacles apparently prevalent in this forum...

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/william-cook/2014/04/our-infatuation-with-high-rise-housing-has-been-catastrophic/

Posted by: guest 7th Apr 2014, 03:17pm

I'm sure the athletes will appreciate breathing in all this dust, even if all the asbestos has been removed.

Posted by: ktv 7th Apr 2014, 04:06pm

QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 6th Apr 2014, 06:02pm) *
Tamhickey
You are absolutely correct, the council made millions from money to shelter asylum seekers but didn't spend a penny round here.
Springburn Public Halls was demolished in an act of Cultural Vandalism last Christmas after 26 years of neglect. No doubt the ground is earmarked for some friend of the Labour Council, namely a property developer!
But wait a minute, perhaps that money is being used to provide the 'Gay House' at the Commonwealth Games. No need to spend it on anything to benefit Glaswegians, spend it on something to get their name in the Gay newspapers and websites.

GG
Your report on the refusal by the council to name a street after a Glaswegian who won the VC and died for his trouble.
I refer to the comment from some nameless official that streets weren't named after people dead or alive is clearly a bare faced lie.
Didn't they re-name a city centre street, for political reasons, after an African terrorist, namely Nelson Mandela, a man who condoned bombing?
Different rules for different political reasons.
Alex

While I agree with the general statement you made (im from the area) I think your right wing tone is a bit off the mark.
I take you don't think its ok for them to ignore the area while building any houses for the games or naming any street after figures

Or is it just the ones you don't like?

Posted by: ktv 7th Apr 2014, 04:11pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 7th Apr 2014, 04:09pm) *
With respect, a timely and cogent reminder that not everyone interprets the complex issues to be considered through the kind of rose-tinted spectacles apparently prevalent in this forum...

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/william-cook/2014/04/our-infatuation-with-high-rise-housing-has-been-catastrophic/

The flats where getting pulled down anyway, that's not the issue.

The issue is GCC totally ignoring the area for decades then parading us as a symbol of some regeneration master plan for all the tourists to see how wonderful it all is.

Posted by: *james1947* 7th Apr 2014, 07:48pm

In regards to the comments about Sydney games, on my last visit to Sydney to see my granddaughter, we went to the games pool. This is the only building in use in the middle of a vast area of defunct stadiums looking like something from the set of a post nuclear war film. Lets hope we dont find ourselves in the same situation in Glasgow.

As to the comment about no asbestos now present in the flats, the problem surely is the absurd idea that blowing up buildings as an introduction to a sporting event must rank as one of the most stupidest that these morons on the council have ever come up with.

Posted by: carmella 7th Apr 2014, 09:10pm

These people at Glasgow Council who have said they're doing this as part of the opening of the games, are now saying in not so many words, that they don't give two hoots what those people who have signed the petition are saying, their comments will not be taken heed of.

Doesn't that just say it all? They have made their minds up regardless of what the people of Glasgow have to say about it. Five buildings at Red Road have never been simultaneously blown up, only one at a time. I hope if they go ahead, they will have all the information for safety that they need.

Oh my, and there are those who want us to say 'yes' to an independent Scotland - with people like this running the show - need I say more!!

Posted by: Alex Saville 7th Apr 2014, 09:17pm

ktv
"While I agree with the general statement you made (im from the area) I think your right wing tone is a bit off the mark"
Fact: Mandela was a terrorist, if you want to whitewash history that's up to you, there's nothing right wing about the truth!
If they can name a street after an African Terrorist, they can name one after a Glasgow Hero, or are streets only to be named after one's you like?
Despite the efforts of people like you, democracy still exists here. Barely, in your case!
Alex

Posted by: GG 7th Apr 2014, 09:27pm

Let's not stray off-topic here re the street naming please – I was originally reticent of raising the issue of the council's refusal to name a street after a war hero from Glasgow, for just this reason. However, I did raise it as I think it shows the mentality of the decision-making process of the council. I should probably post it as a separate matter. In the meantime, can we please stay on topic here?

GG.

Posted by: GG 7th Apr 2014, 10:55pm

One of the things that has genuinely puzzled me over the last few days has been the constant focus by Glasgow Housing Association and Glasgow City Council on the idea that the area around the Red Road flats had been "regenerated". Indeed, the regeneration card was the key, because the televised stunt is intended to be a "bold and dramatic statement of intent from a city focused on regeneration and a positive future for its people". The problem was, although I am very familiar with the area, I couldn't see it as a 'regenerated' community, despite the process of 'regeneration' having been ongoing for at least six years since the demolition of the flats was announced. Anyway, I took my camera at the weekend to find out. Here's what I found...

GG.
















 

Posted by: GG 7th Apr 2014, 11:19pm

Finally for this evening, a rather bizarre and non-committal editorial piece in the Financial Times from the paper's business/employment editor:

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‘Savage’ Glasgow

As if Scotland did not have divisions enough at present, organisers of this year’s Commonwealth Games in Glasgow have provoked a backlash with a zany plan to demolish five tower blocks during the opening ceremony. Five of the six Red Road flats, which have dominated part of the city’s skyline for 50 years, will come down on July 23, with the demolition broadcast to more than 1bn TV viewers worldwide.

Glasgow 2014 organisers said it was a “bold image” that would showcase the regeneration of the city, but others said it was crass and offensive to make a spectacle of the destruction of what had been thousands of people’s homes. An online petition was quickly assembled to try to halt the plan.

Alexander Stoddart, who holds the title Sculptor in Ordinary to Her Majesty The Queen in Scotland, wrote to The Herald newspaper to liken the plan to Friedrich Nietzsche’s notion that “without cruelty there is no festival”, whereby primitive cultures committed acts inflicting pain and death to signal their power to impose order.

“This is the hallmark of barbarism, and it conjoins with heedless joy in Glasgow today, leading city of the Renaissance of Savagery seen throughout the Occident,” he wrote. “Do we, for whom Glasgow is our most beloved city, finally despair? I think we might.”

Simpler objections came from people such as Nicola Page, who spent her childhood in Red Road: “The world is now invited to laugh at and applaud the final death of the home that so many will mourn.” It will take some nerve for the committee to brazen this out.

GG.

Posted by: Talisman 7th Apr 2014, 11:41pm

QUOTE (GG @ 7th Apr 2014, 11:12pm) *
One of the things that has genuinely puzzled me over the last few days has been the constant focus by Glasgow Housing Association and Glasgow City Council on the idea that the area around the Red Road flats had been "regenerated". Indeed, the regeneration card was the key, because the televised stunt is intended to be a "bold and dramatic statement of intent from a city focused on regeneration and a positive future for its people". The problem was, although I am very familiar with the area, I couldn't see it as a 'regenerated' community, despite the process of 'regeneration' having been ongoing for at least six years since the demolition of the flats was announced. Anyway, I took my camera at the weekend to find out. Here's what I found...

GG.

I had a look at my old home in Johnstone on Google maps. It was run down and decrepit. This was a block of three storey flats. The other houses surrounding it, including my late mothers detached and privately owned home were still in excellent condition for being 50 odd years old. The gardens were well attended and the houses well maintained. A neighbour, whom I reaquainted with on another Glasgow Forum, informed me it was in the subsidised rental flats that the suburban decay was occuring. No pride in ownership, we are not talking here about the upper or lower middle classess, there is no incentive to even put a curtain on a clean window. My mother was a widow and a pensioner who scraped and saved to buy her first and only home of her own; never lived in anything but rental all her life and loved her semi detached to the extent that she would not go into care or stay in hospital. I sold that home to another family for less than its' market value. It was listed by some opinions to be an udesireable neighbourhood, this is mainly due to undesireable tenants living off the backs of those who are not subsidised. Glasgow is not alone in this indiscriminate allowing of those who build deserts and call them fields to destroy what in other countries would be considered normal. When the rats infest a building, better to get rid of the building than attempt to reclaim it.

Posted by: ktv 8th Apr 2014, 08:27am

QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 7th Apr 2014, 10:34pm) *
ktv
"While I agree with the general statement you made (im from the area) I think your right wing tone is a bit off the mark"
Fact: Mandela was a terrorist, if you want to whitewash history that's up to you, there's nothing right wing about the truth!
If they can name a street after an African Terrorist, they can name one after a Glasgow Hero, or are streets only to be named after one's you like?
Despite the efforts of people like you, democracy still exists here. Barely, in your case!
Alex

the only FACTS youve produced are that you dont want money spent on the things YOU dont like.... anyhoo back to the topic

heres a vid my boy took when the last one came down from a different angle


Posted by: ktv 8th Apr 2014, 08:31am

QUOTE (GG @ 8th Apr 2014, 12:12am) *
One of the things that has genuinely puzzled me over the last few days has been the constant focus by Glasgow Housing Association and Glasgow City Council on the idea that the area around the Red Road flats had been "regenerated". Indeed, the regeneration card was the key, because the televised stunt is intended to be a "bold and dramatic statement of intent from a city focused on regeneration and a positive future for its people". The problem was, although I am very familiar with the area, I couldn't see it as a 'regenerated' community, despite the process of 'regeneration' having been ongoing for at least six years since the demolition of the flats was announced. Anyway, I took my camera at the weekend to find out. Here's what I found...

GG.

this is my whole point.

there has been very little done to the area in years (compared to other areas) and mconnell using it as a stage of regeneration is disgusting.

Posted by: Guest 8th Apr 2014, 08:44am

QUOTE
One of the things that has genuinely puzzled me over the last few days has been the constant focus by Glasgow Housing Association and Glasgow City Council on the idea that the area around the Red Road flats had been "regenerated".

Puzzle no more. In the quote below no claim that the area has been regenerated has been made. It is clear from the statement that regeneration is intended and will take place in the future.

QUOTE
"bold and dramatic statement of intent from a city focused on regeneration and a positive future for its people"

Posted by: Alex Saville 8th Apr 2014, 08:46am

GG

As far as I'm concerned it is 'On topic'!
The subject matter is naming a street after a Glasgow hero.
In the topic is the issue that a nameless council official said that streets were not named after people dead or alive.
Since we have in Glasgow Nelson Mandela Square, that disproves that response.

If you allow people to place others in Left, Right, or any other category that they think the others persons opinion is in, then you should expect a response from the person so accused.
A quick look at the Independence thread shows what happens when democracy and the right to reply goes out the window!
Alex

Posted by: ktv 8th Apr 2014, 08:50am

An open letter to Glasgow City Council and Commonwealth games organisers;

My earliest memory of the Red road flats was, shockingly enough, hanging over the edge of the roof of one when I was about 8 or nine. Me and my brothers were wild and if we weren’t running around the playground that was, ‘The Blackie’ (a disused quarry complete with a bing not long stopped smoking and a torch and battery) it was at the Atlas works, a disused factory from the long gone locomotive industry that was once the life of Springburn.

The Red Road flats were once an exciting, vibrant microcosm of a city that scraped up into the sky and made you dizzy if you looked up standing next to one.

Next, they descended into a ghetto that people were scared to enter unless you were unlucky enough to live there.

Another age in the life of the flats and the introduction of the concierge system, with sealed entry, fob keys, CCTV cameras and an intercom in every house.

Lastly and probably saddest of all, when it became a dumping ground for every disparate family from Europe and beyond.

Now that they are all but empty and a few less, thanks to Dem-master, comes their final humiliation. Turned into a carnival and a cheap publicity stunt made into farce by a council who would stoop at nothing to make a cheap buck (Georgie square a prime example)

Through all my life the flats have stood on my doorstep, like some friendly monoliths that guided me home to Barmulloch.

I for one was glad when they eventually started to become a part of Glasgow’s history. But this final injustice to every person that lived there, to turn it into a circus is beyond any shred of decency.

For every family, single person, asylum seeker, immigrant, jumper (and there were many) have some decency, Glasgow and let the locals say goodbye to their history without having the world, looking on, laughing, staring, pitying and mostly, scratching their heads wondering what the bloom blowing up buildings has to do with some athletic games.

Regards

Boab Millar

Barmulloch resident who has lived under the shadow of the Red road flats for nearly fifty years.

Posted by: Jupiter 8th Apr 2014, 08:59am

GG your photoes are stark in the extreme and Im sure you didnt need to look to hard for topics.It is an area Ive never liked nevertheless it is home to many.Im sure the council would refute any suggestion that the place had not been re generated but these images shown a place in dire straits.I respectfully suggest you try to get the photoes out there,maybe via ET.
I detest the elitism of the two bob games so it came as no surprise this morning to learn in the Herald that they are currently running£21 million over budget,yes £21 million.
I think Ill be out of here when the games are on.

Posted by: Guest 8th Apr 2014, 10:18am

Here I am in an African village, surrounded by people living in hovels. Some of us may catch the opening ceremony of the Games on a community TV set. We will not get the message that Glasgow is being regenerated. By demolishing what will look to us as perfectly good housing, we will just get the message that the First-World wastes a lot of money and resources on a whim.

Peter, Malawi.

Posted by: lubbock 8th Apr 2014, 01:49pm

The scene the city chambers...aw right whit ir we gonnae dae about the opening ceremony?Ah mean we dont want any of that fancy stuff like vast epic scenes showing glesgas glorious past or people drapping intae the stadium naw we want something that we're good at..any ideas ...how about showing the world how we fought for years to change our percieved image of a crime ridden ,murder capital city.... through art ,culture multiculturism,the welcoming city...Naw thats nae good we want something eh !different,something the whole world will remember...
Whit aboot blawing something up? whit ye mean in here? naw they big flats the red road wans...aye brilliant idea ...am mean thats wan thing were good et getting rid of auld buildings it wis us that demolished aw these listed buildings and communities tae build the M8....yeah yer right, their might be a free dinner gaun as well.....

Posted by: Guest 8th Apr 2014, 01:57pm

Just to let everyone know that the online petition has now attracted an incredible number of over 10,000 signatures -- all just in the space of just a few days. If you have not already then please sign the petition organised by a former MSP by http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/glasgow-city-council-and-the-scottish-government-stop-plans-to-blow-up-tower-block-as-part-of-commonwealth-games-opening-ceremony. A Former Resident.

Posted by: *Harry* 8th Apr 2014, 05:17pm

Could the red road flats decision influence the independence referendum in september? Someone here thinks so:

http://www.channel4.com/news/red-road-flats-petition-glasgow-demolition

Posted by: Maribo 8th Apr 2014, 05:38pm

I heard a little of the interview with Bridget McConnell, and it appeared to me that she thinks the "ordinary" people are complaining about the demolition of Red Road Flats because they don't want the buildings to be razed!! That's not what I and my friends who have also signed the petition, are complaining about, I know the flats need to come down, but I don't want this to be part of the Opening Ceremony of The Commonwealth Games. I don't want the rest of the world shaking their heads and laughing at the Scots, as will surely happen if this stupid idea is carried out. Could someone please tell Bridget McConnell to think again, as I said in an earlier post, ariel video of some of the beautiful scenery of Scotland would be a much better image of Scotland to beam to Celtic Park and the rest of the world, and it wouldn't cost a lot of money.

Posted by: GG 8th Apr 2014, 06:34pm

Just found the the following video, in which a local resident, Robert Florence, articulates powerfully and precisely what residents of Barmulloch and Balornock think of the way the people and social history of Glasgow is to be treated in the plan to stage the demolition as a hugely-expensive PR stunt. Scroll to about 3mins in if you want to skip the council PR spin. huh.gif


GG.

Posted by: GG 8th Apr 2014, 07:47pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 8th Apr 2014, 10:01am) *
Puzzle no more. In the quote below no claim that the area has been regenerated has been made. It is clear from the statement that regeneration is intended and will take place in the future.

Ah, the politician's old strategy of 'jam tomorrow'. In fact, what you are looking at in those photos is a community that, according to council leader Matheson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY2xQdgLrSc&feature=youtu.be&t=7m37s), has already received 'regeneration' funding of £80M. For that huge sum, the people of Barmulloch got just 600 social houses built ... if you look closely, you will even see some of them in the photos!

Latest news:
QUOTE
More than 10000 people oppose demolition of flats during ceremony

More than 10,000 people have signed an online petition calling for a rethink of plans to demolish tower blocks as part of the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony.

It has been revealed that five of the six remaining Red Road blocks of flats will be blown up on July 23 and broadcast globally as part of the ceremony at Celtic Park.

Organisers believe razing the derelict 1960s blocks will show how Glasgow is changing for the better while celebrating the role the flats have played in the lives of thousands of city families. ...

Full story here:
http://news.stv.tv/west-central/270933-more-than-10000-people-oppose-demolition-of-flats-for-commonwealth-games/

GG.

Posted by: Guest 8th Apr 2014, 08:51pm

600 social houses for £80 million? That is equivalent to around £133,500 per house - pretty good value given that the price of the average house in Scotland is around £146,000 wouldn't you agree?

So we have jam today as well as tomorrow's regeneration. Well done to all concerned!

Posted by: Maribo 8th Apr 2014, 08:54pm

Thanks GG. Gordon Matheson is a joke, watching your video and listening to him spouting his well prepared speech, I wonder if he really believes what he is saying or if he is just following the Party Line as he has been told to do. This whole idea is so embarrassing, I cringe every time I think of it.

Posted by: lubbock 8th Apr 2014, 09:25pm

Glasgow City council have created a problem which didn't exist...what if...due to adverse weather the demolition is postponed?....what if...protesters occupy the flats?...what if ...the buildings don't fall down.? ...how would Glasgow look in the eyes if the world then....I can't see it happening...

Posted by: GG 8th Apr 2014, 10:13pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 8th Apr 2014, 10:08pm) *
600 social houses for £80 million? That is equivalent to around £133,500 per house - pretty good value given that the price of the average house in Scotland is around £146,000 wouldn't you agree?

So we have jam today as well as tomorrow's regeneration. Well done to all concerned!

Your flippancy betrays a complete misunderstanding of how passionately people in north-east Glasgow feel about the Red Road flats. Poets at the Guardian get it better than you...



For the record, average house prices in Barmulloch are less than half the national average (no surprise there) at about £72,500. So, based on your own hypothesis, there's a sum of £36,500,000 by which the people of north-east Glasgow have been short-changed! I wonder where that went...?

GG.

Posted by: GG 8th Apr 2014, 10:23pm

QUOTE (Maribo @ 8th Apr 2014, 10:11pm) *
Thanks GG. Gordon Matheson is a joke, watching your video and listening to him spouting his well prepared speech, I wonder if he really believes what he is saying or if he is just following the Party Line as he has been told to do. This whole idea is so embarrassing, I cringe every time I think of it.

Maribo, just like Bridget McConnell (salary paid by the people of Glasgow of £140,000) whom you mentioned earlier, Gordon Matheson is not stupid: they know exactly the game they are playing and the yarn they are spinning. It's just a charade for them, but for us it is our social history that is being manipulated ... and for what? As you say, a cringeworthy performance, but if you want to see even worse, check out last Thursday's Newsnight Scotland! blush.gif

GG.

Posted by: GG 8th Apr 2014, 10:55pm

QUOTE (lubbock @ 8th Apr 2014, 10:42pm) *
Glasgow City council have created a problem which didn't exist...what if...due to adverse weather the demolition is postponed?....what if...protesters occupy the flats?...what if ...the buildings don't fall down.? ...how would Glasgow look in the eyes if the world then....I can't see it happening...

Re the potential of protesters, Lubbock, I had noticed that the security fencing has been massively upgraded over the last month or so. Yet another huge and unnecessary additional expense incurred by the project as a result of it being hijacked by Glasgow 2014.

GG.

Posted by: Guest 9th Apr 2014, 05:00am

With reference to post #96 I would point out you seem to be short changing the people of Glasgow with your assertion that "...the people of north-east Glasgow have been short changed!". Where do you imagine the £80 million regeneration funding came from?

I also feel it worth pointing out that there is more - much more- to regeneration than house building and it all comes at a cost.

Posted by: Matt Quinn 9th Apr 2014, 09:27am

I recall as a toddler being hoisted up to the window of our tenement flat in Bucksburn Road – not half-a-mile from the Red Road Flats. Our Tenement was one of the post-war ones. – Not damp or lacking a bathroom or any other facilities. “See the skyscraper son! Look!”. Papa (Grandfather) had lived in America for a while as a youngster and was duly impressed by this latest sign of modernity in his post-war Glasgow. In fact the war was almost two-decades past. Like most parts of war-torn Britain, Glasgow was allegedly on a journey to becoming some sort of ideal we were amidst regeneration...

We moved in to these symbols of modernity in 1971... I was nine when we moved into our clean, neat, warm, well-insulated flat in the Red Road. – We weren’t cleared from any slum or any such like. This was a move forward. - I went to the library and learned about Le Corbusier and the brave new world I was now a part of... (It’ll come as a surprise to some that we HAD libraries with real books you could learn stuff from in those days – that was another sign we were making progress; now taken away of course!)

I was to serve most of my apprenticeship (as a television cameraman) in London, but when I returned to Glasgow in the mid 80s it was back to the Red Road by choice. Events had conspired to open the place to a new social-housing experiment. A brief interview with a building manager saw me set up with a three-bedroom plus box-room flat in a building with private parking, carpeted foyer, full concierge service and CCTV-controlled access piped right to my telly! The Box-room became a darkroom. One bedroom an office and another an edit suite. From there was created what is now one of the longest-established video production companies in Scotland.

Yuppie towers they called it; that experiment started working too well, and the council soon acted to downgrade the services and seed the place with fresh anti-social types... Couldn't have those scheemies rising above their station after all!

The decline of the Red Road past the point of no return has been carefully orchestrated. And its official history written by those who brought it down to paint the pictures they require to justify their actions... I personally can tell you that attempts to tell the positive, if politically inconvenient, story of life in the Red Road have been obstructed. And offer the opinion that what has gone on amounts to almost an ‘ethnic cleansing’ of the Red Road community and its true story.

This, entirely for political gain and the generation of fat contracts for the well-connected cronies behind what seems to be an endless cycle of ‘build it up, run it doon, build it up and run it doon again’ – with the ordinary folk of Glasgow caught up like rags in the spin cycle!

The demolition of the Red Road does NOT symbolise anything of the regeneration of Glasgow; for it’s been ‘regenerating’ for all of the 51 years I’ve been on the planet and never-quite got there! The 'Regeneration Game' only benefits the fat cats - parts of Glasgow are in their fourth phase of so-called regeneration in 120 years! No sooner is a thing built than they're running it down!

Red Road is well past the point of no return. And what's going on there now isn't of any substance, it’s just the click of the ratchet as the next spin-cycle kicks in! - In thirty or so year time they'll be writing about the demise of the wee cardboard hooses they're throwing up... Yes; indeed Glasgow (like others) IS a city that continuously regenerates itself... Mainly for the benefit of the well-heeled and well-connected; and to the detriment of the ordinary folk caught up in the cycle.

We know the scheme is gone; and the moving hands of the mandarins will write the history books to suit themselves. The Red Road produced Doctors. Lawyers, Nurses, Police Officer, Firemen – jings even the odd TV producer and and MSP! But that’s not the story you’re supposed to hear. And amidst the panem et circences spectacle that IS the Commonwealth Games, this IS the ultimate display of contempt for those who lived, loved and succeeded in the Red Road – and for the ordinary working-class folk of Glasgow generally!

Matt Quinn - TFGtv

Posted by: Scotsman 9th Apr 2014, 11:34am

A quite brilliant post Sir!!

A fantastic look back at the REAL life in the flats before like you say these politicians started to deliberately destroy the community that was there. I have seen it happen so many times in the east end of Glasgow where a good spirit between people is all but completely destroyed because the corporation could not give a toss about the real people in the communities. They also try to put us across as lazy layabouts who wasted their days away but I remember my fathers and grandfathers generations who could sing and dance and play musical instruments. They could quote poetry and give you telling analysis of the days political events. All that while working 8 or 10 or 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week doing hard manual work.

Like you said.... these communities produced professionals and qualified people like yourself who went on to do great things with their lives.... but thats the problem because the politicians in Glasgow are put there to make sure that working class people dont rise above their station and start to challenge their so-called betters in job market.

Posted by: Scotsman 9th Apr 2014, 11:47am

QUOTE (ktv @ 8th Apr 2014, 10:07am) *
An open letter to Glasgow City Council and Commonwealth games organisers;

My earliest memory of the Red road flats was, shockingly enough, hanging over the edge of the roof of one when I was about 8 or nine. Me and my brothers were wild and if we weren’t running around the playground that was, ‘The Blackie’ (a disused quarry complete with a bing not long stopped smoking and a torch and battery) it was at the Atlas works, a disused factory from the long gone locomotive industry that was once the life of Springburn.

The Red Road flats were once an exciting, vibrant microcosm of a city that scraped up into the sky and made you dizzy if you looked up standing next to one.

Next, they descended into a ghetto that people were scared to enter unless you were unlucky enough to live there.

Another age in the life of the flats and the introduction of the concierge system, with sealed entry, fob keys, CCTV cameras and an intercom in every house.

Lastly and probably saddest of all, when it became a dumping ground for every disparate family from Europe and beyond.

Now that they are all but empty and a few less, thanks to Dem-master, comes their final humiliation. Turned into a carnival and a cheap publicity stunt made into farce by a council who would stoop at nothing to make a cheap buck (Georgie square a prime example)

Through all my life the flats have stood on my doorstep, like some friendly monoliths that guided me home to Barmulloch.

I for one was glad when they eventually started to become a part of Glasgow’s history. But this final injustice to every person that lived there, to turn it into a circus is beyond any shred of decency.

For every family, single person, asylum seeker, immigrant, jumper (and there were many) have some decency, Glasgow and let the locals say goodbye to their history without having the world, looking on, laughing, staring, pitying and mostly, scratching their heads wondering what the bloom blowing up buildings has to do with some athletic games.

Regards

Boab Millar

Barmulloch resident who has lived under the shadow of the Red road flats for nearly fifty years.

Another great post Boab Miller.

Just like above I really enjoyed reading it. Something from one persons memory of the past that tells a different story to the usual nonsense that these politicians would like to have us believe. We wont ever see that kind of world again and what a loss that is to our children and their children. Hopefully your call for decency will be heard and this mad plan will be dropped but then again if George Square has anything to do with it....

Posted by: ktv 9th Apr 2014, 11:57am

just proves that it WAS a community for 1000s of families (just like sighthill was)

and as said above all ok until you dont fit this years political agenda.

(ps im no boab miller.....i just found his letter online)

Posted by: wellfield 9th Apr 2014, 03:23pm

Hi ktv......enjoyed my read!.....that whole area was my playground when I was a kid,right down to the wee brook that ran through it....Thank You.

Posted by: ktv 9th Apr 2014, 03:25pm

same here wellfield.....still is kind of.

i moved as far away as eh...wellfield

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Apr 2014, 06:11pm

QUOTE (John Bogie @ 5th Apr 2014, 04:44pm) *
I would like to know who thought up this lame brained idea in the first place, if it was anything to do with Alex Salmond and the scottish government....... then I know which way I will be voting come September.

IDIOTIC IDEA !

It wasn't John, so will you be voting YES on September 18th?

Posted by: GG 9th Apr 2014, 10:27pm

Even expert professionals are now referring to the stunt ... as a 'stunt'!

QUOTE
Games organisers to talk to objectors over demolition stunt

Glasgow Commonwealth Games organisers are to meet with objectors over controversial plans to demolish the remaining Red Road tower blocks as part of the event’s opening ceremony

Games chiefs have agreed to talks with former Scottish Socialist MSP Carolyn Leckie and Len Bunton, the son of the flats original architect Sam Bunton.

Leckie is responsible for organising a petition against the showcase of the flats demolition which has so far amassed more than 13,000 signatories.

Opposition has continued to grow against ‘bizarre’ plans to blow up five of the remaining 1960s towers in a global TV spectacle since the proposals were announced last week. ...

Full story here:
http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/games-organisers-to-talk-to-objectors-over-red-road-towers-demolition-stunt/8661278.article?blocktitle=Scotland&contentID=7916

One wonders how long Glasgow 2014 organisers can limp on in the hope that the huge negative publicity will somehow just go away?

GG.

Posted by: GG 9th Apr 2014, 10:40pm

In view of the other wonderful memories posted above, I thought I would share this priceless recollection from a Herald reader .. most certainly not the story Glasgow 2014 are trying to pass off:

QUOTE
Red Road flats were home to a remarkable community spirit

I am horrified by the ill-conceived plan to demolish Glasgow's Red Road flats as part of the opening ceremony of the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

It is difficult to imagine that the city fathers could be so insensitive and lacking in wisdom when they hatched this plan.

I was a community nursing sister in the Springburn/Balornock Area in the early 1980s. I visited a lot of people who lived in these blocks as part of my work. Many of them liked living there and a lot of the residents worked very hard to create and maintain a good community spirit.

There were many challenges for them and I was privileged to spend time with them. There are ones I will never forget who continue to inspire me when I remember their lives. Some were housebound through illness and could have been isolated were it not for the goodness of others living there .

A memory forever imprinted on my mind was visiting an elderly man who lived on the 16th floor of one of the Red Road blocks. I received a call to visit him on Christmas morning, 1982. Not only was he very ill, he had no family and had chosen to live an isolated life; he was a bit of a loner.

The house had bare floorboards throughout and there was not a scrap of food in the kitchen and no heating. While I arranged and waited for a doctor to come, a few neighbours had been alerted and they threw them­selves into action. Enough food to feed a family of six for a month appeared in minutes, along with electric fires and blankets and some clean clothes.

I also have such fond memories of the laughs as well as the tears of so many of the Red Road residents. They were the salt of the earth. The idea of us all watching the demolition of their homes as a form of entertainment is beyond insensitive and disrespectful to them and their memory. And what does it say to the people who continue to live there?

I beg the movers and shakers of the Dear Green Place: please don't do it.

Margaret McVey.

GG.

Posted by: taurus 10th Apr 2014, 06:05am

I like that letter written to the Herald,it reminds me a lot of the family spirit when living in the tenements in Bridgeton. In illness,or any sort of family crisis,it was so easy to run to the neighbours and get help and consolation. I was away in Oz when my mother`s building was demolished, but I know she was heartbroken to see so many years of her life end in rubble,as imperfect as tenement living was,it was home in peoples hearts.

Posted by: Alex Saville 10th Apr 2014, 10:05am

What a touching letter from the Herald by ex-Community Nurse Margaret McVey.
Politicians and their hangers on like Bridget McConnell (Who, lets not forget, is Labour's ex-First Minister Jack McConnell's wife. Nepotism is rife in Glasgow, for the benefit of those who don't live here!) don't care a whit what the local population, or indeed, any of Glasgow's population, thinks.
Rather ironic, is it not, that it has been announced that there is to be a 'New' consultation on improving election turnout in Scotland.
BBC News Scotland website states that in 2012 the turnout at local elections in Scotland was an average 39.8% Here in Glasgow the percentage, according to the City Council was 32.9%.
Views are invited as to how to remedy the situation.

Judging by the opposition to demolishing the Red Road Flats and the councils attitude that only they know what's best, I'd say that consultation is going nowhere.
Until politicians get back to the idea that what they do is Public Service and carry out the wishes of those they serve, voting will continue to fall.
If the council ignores the feeling in Glasgow against the Games demolition charade, voting may well drop again. After all, if the populations views are ignored, why bother to vote? (Before anyone turns this into a party political debate, all the parties here in Scotland continually ignore the views of the population on a wide range of subject's.)
Alex

Posted by: George Sullivan 10th Apr 2014, 10:08am

This really is turning into a most shameful and embarrassing chapter in the history of my proud city. I still have a great love for the place even though I left many years ago for a new life in Australia. The people I know here who I have spoke to about this are simply dumbfounded that the city fathers should be planning such a spectacle that is supposed to be about celebration. What exactly is the sight of five buildings being demolished going to mean to members of our Commonwealth? It really beggars belief. And as one member wrote here -- what exactly are those in poor countries going to think of demolishing what to them look like perfectly good homes when they have nothing for shelter but a hut or a flimsy cardboard wall?

The people who are in charge in Glasgow really need to wake up and see what they have done in tarnishing a sporting event with this shameful exploit. Are they not accountable to people or at least to politicians? Have things went so far in my beloved home town that the peoples opinion now means nothing? Can't these bosses see that the sight of grown adults making entertainment out of blowing up peoples former homes is both sad and unacceptable? Is it really necessary to hurt and offend people in the name of sport?

Time now for these bosses to step forward and put their egos aside for a moment.... they got it wrong, simple as that. It happens sometimes and they have to accept that and stop this nonsense before it further tarnishes the reputation of Glasgow any further than it already has.

PS I've heard some rumours that some countries are now intending to boycott the opening ceremony. Can anyone there confirm this?

Posted by: Scotsman 10th Apr 2014, 10:32am

Alex sometimes I wonder if it is the intention of politicians to scunner people so much that nobody will want to vote. This Red Road nonsense is a good example.... its absolutely clear from the petition and the newspapers that the people hate this idea but still those in control push it forward anyway. Eventually people get tired and then those in control get to do what they want anyway. Its like going back to Victorian times. There is a wee hope here though because from the people I have spoke to in the pub this is the last straw and I think Labour are now finished in Glasgow and this is from guys who are of an age that they have voted Labour over many decades. No more donkeys in red rosettes!!

Posted by: boots 10th Apr 2014, 02:28pm

Council you goofed, the idea has no merit. The publics are angry and telling you they don.t want it...why not admit you made a mistake and cancel the Red Road High Rise Demolition Extravaganza and replace it with something truly entertaining, less costly and more Scottish.

Martin I am unable to vote as I can only read half of the first question and none of the second.

Posted by: Guest 10th Apr 2014, 07:08pm

It seems that Scotland's Deputy First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, is not averse to the idea of the Red Road flats beiig blown up as part of the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony. She hedges her bets, though, by saying that the voices of dissent should not be ignored.

Posted by: lubbock 10th Apr 2014, 07:14pm

It was reported that Nicola Sturgeon thought pulling down the flats was a great idea.....

Posted by: bilbo.s 10th Apr 2014, 09:27pm

It was my impression that the matter under discussion was not the demolition of the flats, but the use of the demolition as part of an entertainment in the opening ceremony.

Posted by: Elma 10th Apr 2014, 09:35pm

It would appear that the demolition of the flats is a good idea, but I think that using that as entertainment for the opening ceremony for the Commonwealth Games is not. Men in the kilt, little girls highland dancing, haggis and porrige and all the other stereotype 'Scottish' things are also not a good idea, but there is wonderful scenery and other heritage and modern buildings etc. that we, especially in other countries, would love to see.

Posted by: carmella 10th Apr 2014, 09:43pm

The discussion rightly, is about the demolition of the flats as part of the opening ceremonies.

That's the main discussion, just on the sidelines, since it was decided a long time ago these flats had to be demolished, and have been on an individual tower block basis, no one is disagreeing that this shouldn't take place, but what all of us are disagreeing with is the demolition as part of the opening ceremoney - end of story - personally I think it was a very foolish notion put about by Glasgow City Council that this would be the case. I can just imagine at an erstwhile Cooncil Meeting wan cauld dreich morning, some eejit said 'hey guys and gals, we're going to blow up 5 of the remaining 6, why no make a show of it fur the opening ceremony of the gems? Yeah, brilliant, why don't we jist dae that eh!!

C'mone you know it makes sense, there's not an ounce of brains or compassion in that Council. But, I think they are being swayed that it is not perceived as a good idea.

Let's just hope that the city council, employ a 10 year old adviser who will show them the error of their ways, because there is no way a child would even have suggested such a stupid move.

Posted by: GG 11th Apr 2014, 07:02am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 8th Apr 2014, 10:16am) *
GG your photoes are stark in the extreme and Im sure you didnt need to look to hard for topics.It is an area Ive never liked nevertheless it is home to many.Im sure the council would refute any suggestion that the place had not been re generated but these images shown a place in dire straits.I respectfully suggest you try to get the photoes out there,maybe via ET.
I detest the elitism of the two bob games so it came as no surprise this morning to learn in the Herald that they are currently running£21 million over budget,yes £21 million.
I think Ill be out of here when the games are on.

Thanks Jupiter. Yes, I didn't have to look to far – it helps that I know the area quite well though. The problem is that it's always difficult to photograph deprivation in Glasgow, as it is a deeply personal issue ... it's also a tricky one because of the 'fear' that many people live under there. Anyway, I think http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=28214&view=findpost&p=3661385 give a decent indication that the council leader's £80 million already spent on regeneration in the area has largely bypassed members of the local community. Speaking to some people who were interested in why I was taking photos, they said that nothing had been done to improve the area. One point raised by a couple of people was the demolishing of the local primary school, which meant that their children had to twice daily walk passed the Red Road flats during the clearing and demolition-preparation process. People also mentioned lack of amenities and a general lack of things for young people to do. Another issue mentioned was the destruction of the local college and relocation of that institution from the area. It's not hard to see why people there are angry and openly dismissive of flamboyant council claims that the area is being 'regenerated'.

GG

Posted by: Dylan 11th Apr 2014, 07:35am

The BBC has reported that Sturgeon has defended demolition of the Red Road Flats as part of the opening ceremony.

She thinks it is a good idea.??

Posted by: d.c. 11th Apr 2014, 08:27am

QUOTE
Minister backs demolition during Games ceremony

THE Scottish Government has backed the plans to demolish Red Road tower blocks during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony as "bold and dramatic" ...........

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/commonwealth-games/cwg-news/minister-backs-demolition-during-games-ceremony-159270n.23934939

QUOTE

Glasgow 2014: Sturgeon backs Red Road demolition


Scotland's deputy first minister has defended the plan to demolish Glasgow's Red Road flats as part of the opening ceremony for the Commonwealth Games ..............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-26980882

Posted by: d.c. 11th Apr 2014, 09:08am

QUOTE
Expert warns flats demolition plan raises risk to the public

THE plan to blow up Glasgow's Red Road towers during the ­opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games increases the risk to the public, a leading expert has warned..........

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/expert-warns-flats-demolition-plan-raises-risk-to-the-public.23937233

Posted by: carmella 11th Apr 2014, 10:11am

I have never lived in a flat hi rise or otherwise, but, way back 2 or 3 pages someone said that we started building these way back in the 60's when the USA started knocking them down.

Have you ever seen more hi-rise living in comparison to Glasgow than in the USA?

NYC for example? Or is living in a hi-rise good if you are loaded and developers can charge what they like. I could cite other places in the USA, so please don' t compare us. Compare like for like by all means, but not the USA.

Posted by: Scotsman 11th Apr 2014, 10:46am

I am not at all surprised that the SNP politician is coming out in favour of the demolition nonsense at the games opener. Just goes to show that its not just Labour and Tory politicians that are totally out of touch with what the people think and will not take a second to ask them. But these politicians opinions dont count anymore because now in the other link we see that the experts are saying that these demolitions are not showbusiness and that it increases the risk to the public by using it as a TV stunt. If these organisers keep on pushing this stunt then they should be sacked immediately and replaced with normal people.... preferably Glaswegians!!

Posted by: Guest 11th Apr 2014, 01:06pm


Posted by: Mathieson 11th Apr 2014, 01:14pm

QUOTE

Minister backs demolition during Games ceremony

THE Scottish Government has backed the plans to demolish Red Road tower blocks during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony as "bold and dramatic" ...........

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/commonwealth...59270n.23934939

QUOTE

Glasgow 2014: Sturgeon backs Red Road demolition

Scotland's deputy first minister has defended the plan to demolish Glasgow's Red Road flats as part of the opening ceremony for the Commonwealth Games ..............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-26980882

rolleyes.gif I'd like to say I am surprised, but...........

Posted by: carmella 11th Apr 2014, 01:22pm

ohmy.gif ohmy.gif well you have to consider the source.

Posted by: GG 11th Apr 2014, 04:22pm

Academics from Glasgow School of Art have today slammed the ‘poor taste of making a spectacle out of the Red Road flats demolition’...

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Making a spectacle out of the demolition of the Red Road flats at the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games is in poor taste.

They should be dismantled with shame and humility and a resolve to make a better city, not with triumphalism, a sporting commentary and some firecrackers.

The event is unlikely to resonate with those who lived there and goodness only knows what the rest of the world will make of celebrating the opening of “the Friendly Games” with destruction. The image of exploding towers is all too raw for far too many people in far too many places.

This week, Glasgow celebrated the official opening of the new building by Steven Holl Architects named in honour of Dame Seona Reid and sitting respectfully opposite Charles Rennie Mackintosh’s masterwork. There is also fine, innovative social housing taking shape in New Gorbals within spitting distance of the recently-demolished tower blocks there. We should be celebrating these arrivals, all delivered with the leadership and support of Glasgow City Council, rather than gloating over the towers’ departure.

Removal of the tower blocks of Glasgow is certainly an important part of the city’s story that should be recorded and shared widely as an achievement, but to celebrate this with a live spectacle at an international sporting event is crass and insensitive. This should be substituted in the ceremony with a proper celebration of the truly outstanding heritage of architecture and design in Glasgow that has and will endure.

Professor Christopher Platt, Head of School; Professor Brian Evans, Head of Urbanism; Dr Johnny Rodger, Reader in Urban Literature; Professor Florian Urban, Head of History of Architecture & Urban Studies; Sally Stewart Head of Postgraduate School; Alan Hooper Head of Undergraduate School; Robert Mantho, Urban Architecture & Urban Design; Henry McKeown, Architectural Design; Dr Robyne Erica Calvert, History of Architecture; James Mitchell, Humanitarian Architecture, The Mackintosh School of Architecture of The Glasgow School of Art, 167 Renfrew Street, Glasgow.

GG.

Posted by: Guest 11th Apr 2014, 04:46pm

I think it is now going to be very difficult for the organising committee for the forthcoming Comonwealth Games and all concerned to press on with their plans for an opening ceremony which will include the demolition of the Red Road flats.

Perhaps we could keep up the pressure by lobbying our city councillors, MPs and MSPs by letter, e-mail and perhaps even personal visits to their surgeries.

Posted by: Guest 11th Apr 2014, 05:37pm

The pressure on the powers-that-be to abandon this idea now seem overwhelming. It will be interesting to see just how they are going to resolve the issue.

My bet is that they will bow to public opinion.

Posted by: GG 11th Apr 2014, 07:26pm

I would expect that the plan to demolish the Red Road flats live during the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony is probably already off the table. I suspect that the decision has been taken out of the organising committee's hands. We could see a reversal as early as Sunday, although they might wait until the Easter holiday – possibly an exclusive in the Sunday Herald? ohmy.gif

GG.

Posted by: Harrymc 11th Apr 2014, 08:03pm

QUOTE (wellfield @ 4th Apr 2014, 01:19am) *
C'mon folks!!......What's the story on these people that run Glasgow.....are these people voted in by the people of Glasgow????.....are the common folks of the city allowed in that big palace in George Square or are the doors padlocked.....I can't fathom the thinking of this and many other councils of the past that determine the **FATE** of this city!!...why do they get away with this!!!


Posted by: Harrymc 11th Apr 2014, 08:24pm

QUOTE"why do they get away with this!!!
Simple Campbell,it's because the people let them.The opening comment on this subject described it as an "ill thought out scheme" but why dignify the lunatics who pass for councillors in Glasgow as having enough brains to think?
These are the people whose leader described the George Square statues as "unknown relics from a bygone age"another project that nobody voted for nor was consulted on.I don't think that one got off the ground anyway.
You and I came from that neck of the woods and whilst we never lived in the Red road flats we have great memories of what a smashing place that part of Glasgow was to live in back then,Balornock,Barmulloch and Springburn.What the so called City Fathers have done to it over the last 50 years is nothing short of criminal.Somebody mentioned the demolition of the Public Halls which we have discussed elsewhere over several years and they could have added that all that remains to be done now to virtually erase Springburn as it was from the face of the earth is to rip down the eyesore that was the once magnificent Winter Gardens In Springburn Park and the job is done!
Like yourself I am proud to be a Glaswegian but when I look in on what goes on there nowadays I'm somewhat glad I no longer live there.
This latest madcap idea has even moved a Sports Reporter in the National Press here in England to comment on the madness that has overtaken the Glasgow City Council.Enough said methinks!!

Posted by: lubbock 11th Apr 2014, 09:09pm

Lets hope the make the sensible decision to abandon this madcap idea ....but what worries me is what on earth are they planning next ?

Posted by: carmella 11th Apr 2014, 10:33pm

I agree with GG I think this will already be off the table. With the success of the petitions, and now we have Glasgow School of Art complaining about it, I really think GCC knows they have made a big faux pas with this.

I remember when they first announced it, how smug and so so pleased with themselves they were - never thinking there would be such a backlash - well didn't they get a surprise!!

Posted by: tamhickey 12th Apr 2014, 08:34am

i would like to make a documentary featuring those who lived in the flats or those who lived by them. If anyone is interested in taking part, my email address is realcoolcelt@yahoo.co.uk

Posted by: Matt Quinn 12th Apr 2014, 03:34pm

You'll be lucky Tam...

Unless you're prepared to kautau to the City Fathers and dance to their tune!

I was actually brought up in the scheme. I'm broadcast-trained (Thames TV), hold several awards, spent twelve years lecturing (Stow) during which time I helped set up and run an new HN course in TV production and sat on SQA Qualification Desing Teams for media... In my time I have worked for numerous broadcasters such as Channel 4, Channel 5, ITN, Tyne-Tees, Yorkshire, Border, ABC, CNN etc. - I Even lectured in TV at North Glasgow College for a while.

What's more - I actually set up what is now one of the longest-established video production companies in Scotland FROM a flat within the Red Road complex...

When I first heard of Red Road’s proposed demolition I - as a legitimate film maker and former resident – proposed to make a film about its demise. I required NOTHING by way of public funding - I own a production comapny; I have the kit and I have the bodies! I only needed a little co-operation and access from GHA, Safedem and the other relevant city bodies. As I was at the time also a lecturer in one of the City’s colleges; I even offered to try and tie-in the project with the education of Glasgow’s latest generation of film makers and turn the whole project over to the college...

At every turn I was either blocked or ignored. Why? Well the story I would tell you and please do remember I actually lived through it – is actually quite a positive one of a good, decent community laid-low by council mismanagement. –The deliberate seeding of the area with known criminals and anti-social tenants. The deliberate down-grading of facilities and neglect of the buildings etc...

And it would have closed with a question – why did this happen?

Such has been the paranoia of the Council that the last time I attempted to film – As, I stress I am legally entitled to do – from the public street, GHA/Safedem goons had no less than three Police cars despatched to interfere with me going about my legitimate business! Three! Lights flashing and horns blaring! I hold a press card of course, and know my rights One of my specialist subjects as a lecturer was media law; and I was very quickly able to send the Police on their way.

But we might reasonably ponder the level of paranoia, not to mention the willingness and ability to abuse hard-pressed public resource that drove such an action!

"Skyscraper Weans! remains defiantly in production - and I too an keen to hear from former residents of the Red Road, surrounding areas and indeed other places that have been 'ethnically cleansed'. The programme has moved from a simple examination of the real story of a community done wrong to one looking more broadly and the 'Regeneration Game'. I can be contacted via TFGtv.

Posted by: GG 12th Apr 2014, 08:31pm

Letter from Len Bunton, son of the late Sam Bunton, Red Road architect:

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Scottish Government must step in over the Red Road travesty

I note with interest recent correspondence concerning the controversial proposals to demolish the Red Road flats as part of the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony.

Support grows by the day. Glasgow 2014 needs to agree a compromise.

It is quite clear that the Scottish Government, Glasgow City Council and Glasgow 2014, have paid no regard to the 15,700 people who have added their names to the petition on change.org.

Many supporters have added comments, and the theme is a universal condemnation of the proposal. Comments have come in from across the UK, and from other countries.

How has our country been viewed by people reading the press, listening to radio interviews and watching television ? What damage has been done?

I am very concerned as a result of a number of issues. Communications to Scottish Government ministers, and party leaders, remain unanswered. There has been no direct response from the leader of Glasgow Council either.

However, I am grateful to Patricia Henderson MSP for a courteous response, and also to a senior programme manager in Glasgow 2014 for returning my phone calls.

As a result of representations by Carolyn Leckie, who is to be commended for her unstinting energy to have this decision reversed, arrangements were made last week for a meeting to be held next Tuesday with an official from Glasgow Life. I am not clear who is attending that meeting. The purpose of that meeting, or so I thought, was to discuss our concerns.

Lord Smith of Kelvin, chairman of the organising committee for the Glasgow 2014 Games, was quoted this week as saying "that opponents' views have to be taken into account" and the organising committee was "awaiting the outcome of various deliberations before deciding".

However, you published a letter (April 10) from David Grevember, the chief executive of Glasgow 2014, which in my opinion made the position perfectly clear - the demolition will be part of the Games opening ceremony. How could this statement be made in advance of a well publicised meeting? It is disingenuous conduct.

This makes it perfectly clear that Glasgow 2014 is not interested in discussions, it is a done deal, or so it thinks. Transparency in all of this is vital, but it has not happened.

I participated in an interview on Radio 4. Another participant suggested that Glasgow will follow Beijing, London, Athens and others in having a sensational opening ceremony. He sang the same song when Carolyn Leckie was interviewed on TV.

I think he was suggesting that we will all get a "five-star demolition", and not a mediocre one, to rank with other previous opening ceremony celebrations across the world.

I conclude by saying again that the proposal is crass and appalling. Glasgow 2014 has to listen, and has to find a compromise. It is time for the Scottish Government to step in and show leadership.

GG.

Posted by: wellfield 13th Apr 2014, 05:32am

Yer' a brave and talented man Matt Quinn.....hope you prevail!

Posted by: wellfield 13th Apr 2014, 05:40am

Thanks also GG for posting the article.....had tae' laugh when it said *5 star demolition*...If they want to show Glasgow shine,do what the world knows of Glasgow,Scotland.mass pipes and drums,people all over the world would love this,may be auld' hat to you fellas' but not to a worldwide T.V. audience.

Posted by: DavidT 13th Apr 2014, 06:44am

Wellfield, I would agree with you. Pipes and drums - a spectacle in itself. Old hat or not. It's exactly the right sort of thing for these games. It's the kind of thing the audience at home and abroad would expect. We have a very odd council with very odd concepts. They should be drummed out of town.

Posted by: Dylan 13th Apr 2014, 08:15am

An interesting Post Mike Quinn.

I can feel your anger and frustration.

Good luck with your project and please keep us up to date with your progress.

I would like to see Tam's response ?

Posted by: Guest 13th Apr 2014, 08:50am

QUOTE (wellfield @ 13th Apr 2014, 05:49am) *
Yer' a brave and talented man Matt Quinn.....hope you prevail!

You're very kind Wellfield but no... I'm just some bloke frae the the Red Road that happens to make a living taking moving pictures of folk. - And disnae like the pack of lies that's being told about the place I grew up in, and the folk I grew up with!

We'll get something pulled together!

Posted by: ktv 13th Apr 2014, 10:49am

@ Matt Quinn

you should get in touch with elaine ellis mckenzie

she formed the pressure group to try and save sighthill flats

Posted by: Matt Quinn 13th Apr 2014, 12:02pm

I should really just go ahead and register here... :-)

QUOTE (GG @ 7th Apr 2014, 11:12pm) *
One of the things that has genuinely puzzled me over the last few days has been the constant focus by Glasgow Housing Association and Glasgow City Council on the idea that the area around the Red Road flats had been "regenerated". Indeed, the regeneration card was the key, because the televised stunt is intended to be a "bold and dramatic statement of intent from a city focused on regeneration and a positive future for its people". The problem was, although I am very familiar with the area, I couldn't see it as a 'regenerated' community, despite the process of 'regeneration' having been ongoing for at least six years since the demolition of the flats was announced. Anyway, I took my camera at the weekend to find out. Here's what I found...

GG.

One of the key points I've repeatedly made is that this area - like many others - has been the subject of constant 'regeneration' for many decades... My Mother could remember playing in the foundations of those 'modern tenements' you see in the pictures. We lived in one such house (8 Bucksburn Rd) and it was fine! -Where they get this crud about folk moving to the flats because they lived in damp places with no bathrooms I don't know.

Most of the kids I grew up with had come into the flats because their parents saw it as a 'step up'; and indeed I seem to recall the rents weren't low either!

All Saints School opened in about 1973/4 - I recall watching it built as we lived in Bucksburn Road... By 1988; the time of the Garden Festival, the city Mandarins were already starting to talk about pulling it down.

Barmulloch once had a small but perfectly formed Library... I taught myself about electronics and photography and film, astronomy and the countryside. You could get a book on anything! If they didn't have it the big stern wumman that ran the place would help!

When North Glasgow took over Barmulloch college a promise was made to the community that they would always have a college... As soon as the old Principal left Ronnie Knox had it bulldozed and sold off for private housing! The promise was 'kept' by hijacking the wee libary (correct me if I'm wrong) as some pale imitation of an 'education centre' or some such rubbish!

Barmulloch/Balornock/Springburn has been under constant regeneration for some sixty or so years that I can trace... It would have been the early 50's when my Mother was a 9/10/11 year old playing in those foundations... When my grandfather lifted the toddler that was me to the window, in about 1965, he though he was seeing nearly 20 years of post-war improvement coming to a fine conclusion...

Instead, those who were making fortunes out of that process decided to spend the next forty years milking the schemes and milking the people of Glasgow... For this regeneration never-quite seems to get finished does it? And when a thing starts working too wellit's got to be thwarted...

All Saints School is another good example! - The PFI-funded (read nose in the public trough for the financiers; and the community held to ransom - Civic Wonga!) shadow of what was once there now sits on what were effectively public playing fields. - Where do the kids go now?


The flats are gone. And in thirty or so years time they'll be writing about the demise of the wee cardboard hooses they're throwing up in their place...

To paraphrase some of the fat-cat politicos at the back of all this (might even have been Mathieson) Glasgow (like others) IS a city that continuously regenerates itself... Mainly for the benefit of the well-heeled and well-connected; and to the severe detriment of the ordinary folk caught up in the cycle.

Posted by: GG 13th Apr 2014, 12:11pm

Tam, Matt, Wellfield,

Ian Jack mentioned the fate of Springburn in an article in the Guardian yesterday – a reference I am sure none of us will disagree with.

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[...] But there was, shall we say, very little agency in Glasgow at that time [1950s/60s]. Its citizens had things done to them and for them. Consultation was rarely part of the deal. Municipal socialism would be one way of describing the city's governing philosophy, but the phrase doesn't convey the scale of the human problems that Glasgow faced, or its infatuation with their swift and gigantic solutions. The style was paternal and authoritarian. "If you want to drain the swamp, you don't consult the frogs," was a saying among planners at the time. But while Glasgow councillors and officials liked to think of themselves as hardheaded and independent, the evidence suggests they were easily impressed by the new and the fashionable. In its cheap version of grands projets, Glasgow built absurdly large housing estates and unfeasibly tall flats; in its pell-mell drive for modernity, it pushed urban motorways through the inner-city and razed entire settlements, so that (for examples) the city's east end lost two-thirds of its population and a place such as Springburn, which had once been a dense and distinctive community, barely existed beyond a name on the map.

Red Road, where many Springburn families went, was how the architect Sam Bunton fulfilled a brief that wanted to fit as many households as possible on a site that was tight even for high-rises. Bunton, who had spent decades designing municipal estates in Scotland, went higher – to six blocks of 31 storeys and two blocks of 28 storeys – and achieved a total of 1,356 dwellings for 4,700 people. Steel replaced concrete as the framework, with asbestos for the outer walls. The people who moved in loved the bathrooms and the extra space – three bedrooms for a family of four – and the view to the hills was a novelty; but then so was the wind that somehow found its way through the asbestos and puffed up the living room carpet or rippled the water in the toilet bowel. Vandalism in the lifts, drugs on the stairwell, a long bus ride into town: by the 1980s the flats became hard to let. Two blocks were knocked down. Today one accommodates asylum seekers and will survive for a while. The other five lie empty and will be blown up on 23 July as the climax to the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games. [...]

Full story here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/12/demolishing-glasgow-red-road-flats-commonwealth-games

GG.

Posted by: GG 13th Apr 2014, 12:29pm

One point I wanted to address earlier – but forgot! – was something Councillor Matheson, council leader, mentioned in the official press release last week when he said:

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"Red Road has an iconic place in Glasgow's history, having been home to thousands of families and dominating the city's skyline for decades. Their demolition will all but mark the end of high-rise living in the area and is symbolic of the changing face of Glasgow, not least in terms of our preparations for the Games."

See the photo below....


GG.

Posted by: Foxy52 13th Apr 2014, 01:23pm

Just read in Facebook that they will not be using the demo, as part of the opening ceremonies, don't know if its true or not, l hope it is, kind of tasteless.
Cheers
Foxy

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Apr 2014, 01:27pm

QUOTE
Commonwealth Games organisers have dropped the demolition of the Red Road flats from the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony.

Five of the blocks were to be brought down at the start of the Games in July.

The plan proved controversial, with an online petition against the demolition gathering more than 15,000 signatures.

Glasgow 2014 said opinions being expressed about "safety and security" meant the destruction of the flats would not now feature in the opening.

The 30-storey structures were built in the mid 1960s and the original eight tower blocks housed more than 4,000 people.

Opponents had questioned the message the demolition would send and described the plans as insensitive to former residents and asylum seekers currently living in the sixth block.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-27009806

Another victory for the people ! Where will it all end ? smile.gif

Posted by: GG 13th Apr 2014, 01:35pm

Thanks Bilbo! Great news! smile.gif

Perhaps in future Glasgow City Council, Glasgow Life and Glasgow 2014 will consult the people of Glasgow before they drag the reputation of our great city through the mud.

GG

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Apr 2014, 01:42pm

QUOTE (GG @ 13th Apr 2014, 02:52pm) *
Thanks Bilbo! Great news! smile.gif

Perhaps in future Glasgow City Council, Glasgow Life and Glasgow 2014 will consult the people of Glasgow before they drag the reputation of our great city through the mud.

GG

Steady, Martin, steady ! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: tamhickey 13th Apr 2014, 02:02pm

According to the BBC website, the plans eo demolish the flats will NOT now go ahead as part of the Games' opening ceremony. A victory for common sense.

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Apr 2014, 02:06pm

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 13th Apr 2014, 04:19pm) *
According to the BBC website, the plans eo demolish the flats will NOT now go ahead as part of the Games' opening ceremony. A victory for common sense.

Thanks for your confirmation, Tam ! biggrin.gif tongue.gif It's no that often I get sumbdy tae agree wi' me oan here !

Posted by: d.c. 13th Apr 2014, 02:07pm

It looks as if safety and security reasons will be the get-out clause used by all those prominent names who supported the plan, rather than admit the change of heart is anything to do with the overwhelming public opinion which was against it. I suppose they need to try and save face somehow !

Posted by: Matt Quinn 13th Apr 2014, 02:14pm

I actually replied to Ian Jack's piece in the comments pointing out that the houses I lived in were far-from poorly insulated and actually not far from the city centre... As a youngster I'd regularly walk in and out to save the bus fare; takes about 30 minutes - I'd spend the money on a record or a roll of film! And I don't know where he gets the flappy carpets from! - Had his pal loast

But broadly - aye...

Sam Bunton - I enjoyed living in his work and am a fan of it. And as much at bricks and morter can't defend themselves neither can dead men. His son -Len - who I've been in touch with these past few days, was as offended at this affront to his da's memory as the good folk who lived, loved and suceeded in those flats... To blame the buildings or the men who built them is just to deflect from where the real blame lies - with the people who mis-managed them.

And bear in mind it's that latter parcel of rogues who are trying to re-write the history of the place!

The reports now emerging that this farce has been called off are a triumph over these Mandarins.

However Grevemberg remains as contemptible as ever in defeat... Attempting to deflect attention away from the groundswell of public opinion and project blame on the one or two residents who expressed resistance to being moved out of their homes...

Deflection and projection is a common tactic used by rogues... Criminals under interrogation for instance often try to deflect blame for their crimes and project it onto others; very often those holding them to account. - How often have you heard Neds (Glaswegian for thugs) blaming the 'Polis' for putting them in jail for instance!

I suggest he is being deeply dishonest in citing safety concerns for this climbdown. No more threats to safety exist now than did at the beginning of this farce! It's been a PR disaster! Simple as that! The proposals revelled in the misery inflicted on the people of Glasgow though decades of profligate mismanagement.

Grevemberg is, I'm sure, well-used to fooling some of the people all of the time. But over 16,000 people signed a petition to make it clear he wasn't fooling any of us for any of the time! - And he and his cronies simply lack the integrity to admit that!

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Apr 2014, 02:15pm

Shades of the George Square fiasco. People power feels great ! We must try it more often. yes.gif

Posted by: norrie123 13th Apr 2014, 02:23pm

Looks like all those votes worked

Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Apr 2014, 03:12pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 13th Apr 2014, 03:23pm) *
It's no that often I get sumbdy tae agree wi' me oan here !

I can't agree with you there bilbo tongue.gif

Great news about the flats though, long live people power thumbup.gif

Posted by: Maribo 13th Apr 2014, 03:24pm

This news has just made my day, common sense prevails, at last clap.gif

Posted by: chas1937 13th Apr 2014, 04:35pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 13th Apr 2014, 02:44pm) *
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-27009806

Another victory for the people ! Where will it all end ? smile.gif

Great news and at last they have listened which isn't very often

Posted by: Kassy 13th Apr 2014, 04:46pm

Glad about this and glad they listened to the people another victory but what will they think up next?????

thumbup.gif

Posted by: wellfield 13th Apr 2014, 05:04pm

One for the Gipper!

Posted by: Heather 13th Apr 2014, 05:35pm

Yes it's true, it has just been announced on the evening news.

It said the decision was made because of safety issue's.

Aye, who is kidding who. laugh.gif


Posted by: gardenqueen 13th Apr 2014, 06:09pm

Brilliant news!! Yes, people power, whatever they say.

Posted by: Kemedian 13th Apr 2014, 06:34pm

CONGRATULATIONS to all those celebrating victory for the campaign to stop the opening ceremony demolition. clap.gif

Posted by: *james1947* 13th Apr 2014, 07:08pm

Health & Safety reasons.... Aye Right!

More like made an arse of it..... try asking the people first.

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Apr 2014, 07:18pm

Don't think you'll get much argument there. OMG, what am I saying ? There's always some looney just around the corner ! laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 13th Apr 2014, 08:17pm

Went down to take some photos today as I am kind of recording a photo diary of the demolition process. A couple of interesting ones were the first sign of wildlife I've seen in the location for a long while and also, to compound GHA's misery, one of its huge signs is falling down!




GG.

Posted by: Backcauseway 13th Apr 2014, 08:19pm

Councillor Mathieson 1st George Square 2nd Conegate 3rd Nae Red Road big bang. It was not us but some health and safety person. Aye right. Not public opinion?

Posted by: GG 13th Apr 2014, 08:21pm

... I also took down a bunch of flowers to remember all the men (possibly hundreds) who lost their lives from working on the flats through exposure to asbestos. They should be remembered and honoured.



Related: A GG video from Sunday 10th June, 2012


Thankyou to Carolyn Leckie for helping restore dignity to the demolition.

GG.

Posted by: Scots Kiwi Lass 13th Apr 2014, 09:59pm

What wonderful news to wake up to this morning. I always felt very uneasy about this Commonwealth Games demolition fiasco. I love Glasgow to this day and the planned demolition at the opening could have been disastrous for the city. Why did the organisers, Council, etc. not see this sooner?

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Apr 2014, 10:06pm

Because they are looneys who've never been caught !

Posted by: flo.fis 14th Apr 2014, 12:54am

thanks for the update - well done - horrid idea but now we know what drives the council mad all these buildings they want to destroy - have it figured out now - apparently in the early years the plan was for some mundane urban sprawl manned by cars and highways - a bit like spaghetti junction -all the kids got brainwashed with it at school - perhaps our leaders just cant help it they was educated that way - shame # did someone imagine the dust in the summer heat would be some kind of bronzen confetti drifting all over the games ... or was it just a prolonged April fool?#
obscured by clouds?
how much coke do these guys actually go through in a season?

Posted by: LewF 14th Apr 2014, 03:40am

Last year I had the privilege to return to Glasgow to witness the changes that had taken place since migrating to Australia 33 years ago.
It was demoralising to see the dereliction of places that had been thriving housing estates when I left back in 1980.
I’m unaware of how long they have been left in such dilapidated state but on visiting my old stomping grounds of Drumchapel, Garthamlock and Possil I was less than impressed to see the hundreds of acres of grotesque overgrown unattended grasslands that were the only remaining legacies of where people had been born and raised since the early 1950’s.
I sense that the Red Road area is about to become another area that will soil the fond memories of those brought up in these areas.
If the act of demolishing of the Red Road flats isn’t, by itself, recognized as being insensitive enough to past residents does it have to be witnessed by the whole world, particularly alongside a games motto of People, Place, Passion?
I tend to think that this act shows nothing but contempt for the people, disrespects the place and totally lacks compassion!


Posted by: GG 14th Apr 2014, 05:53am

QUOTE (GG @ 11th Apr 2014, 08:43pm) *
I would expect that the plan to demolish the Red Road flats live during the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony is probably already off the table. I suspect that the decision has been taken out of the organising committee's hands. We could see a reversal as early as Sunday ...

My understanding of the mechanics of the u-turn was that Police Scotland intimated to the organising committee as early as Thursday that the plan was off the table – effectively taking the matter out of Glasgow 2014's hands. Thereafter, Labour politicians (most notably Gordon Matheson who fronted the stunt) promptly disappeared from the spotlight – knowing what was coming – and the mainstream media duly went after SNP politicians Shona Robison (Minister for Commonwealth Games and Sport), Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond, all of whom then became strongly linked in the media with the fiasco over Friday and Saturday. The result is the kind of complete misrepresentation of the truth shown below ...

QUOTE
People power demolishes plan to blow up flats for Games opening

A public backlash yesterday forced Commonwealth Games chiefs to perform an embarrassing U-turn on plans to demolish the Red Road flats in front of a world-wide TV audience.

It was a personal blow to Alex Salmond, who was informally briefed on the idea in February, although it was originally claimed that ministers did not know of the controversial proposals until April 1.

Had the First Minister had any objections to the screening at that time, the plan would undoubtedly have been ditched.


Organisers wanted the destruction of five tower blocks in the north of Glasgow to be shown on a giant screen at Celtic Park during the globally televised opening ceremony on July 23. ...

Full story here;
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/470293/People-power-demolishes-plan-to-blow-up-Glasgow-flats-for-Games-opening

GG.

Posted by: *taggart560* 14th Apr 2014, 07:20am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 13th Apr 2014, 01:44pm) *
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-27009806

Another victory for the people ! Where will it all end ? smile.gif

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Posted by: pumps100 14th Apr 2014, 07:36am

Well done to GG and all who voted or became active to halt this stupid idea.

I read Ian Jack's piece for the Guardian. Whilst he may have gilded the lily a bit, I did find it interesting the history of Glasgow City Council's mad housing rush of the 50/60's where corners were definitely cut.

I urge people to read Andrew O'Hagan's first novel 'Our Fathers'. The story is allegedly fiction, but is set around a family story which gives an insight into the background of Glasgow's post war housing 'madness'. Well worth reading.

Regards

Ian

Posted by: d.c. 14th Apr 2014, 11:17am

QUOTE
Glasgow 2014: Red Road U-turn caused by protest fears

Plans to blow up five tower blocks as part of the Commonwealth Games were abandoned over fears protesters would threaten safety and security, the chief executive of Glasgow 2014 has said.

David Grevemberg also denied that the idea to demolish the Red Road flats during the opening ceremony had been crass or insensitive.

More than 17,000 people signed an online petition against the demolition.

Organisers decided on Sunday to scrap the plan to demolish the blocks.

They had wanted to bring down five of the six remaining Red Road tower blocks in a 15-second segment that would have been broadcast live to a giant screen at the Celtic Park opening ceremony, and to millions of TV viewers around the world.

But critics argued it was insensitive to former residents and to the asylum seekers who occupy the sixth block.

Speaking on BBC Radio's Good Morning Scotland programme, Mr Grevemberg said that safety was a priority, and the plan had been abandoned following discussions with Police Scotland.

He said: "The nature of some of the debate and discussion, and also some of the opposition to these ideas, certainly became very, very focused.

"We made a very, very clear assessment over the past few days of where that was going, with our partners, and had recommendations from Police Scotland that the nature of some of that opposition would make this not a commemorative event but would start moving this on to a potential protest.

"That is not what the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games is about and it is something that we needed to reconsider and our board yesterday made a decision.

"There were some very strong opinions that were showcased and that changes the conversation dramatically, and obviously from that standpoint we needed to listen."
'Move forward'

When asked whether organisers had made a "major miscalculation" by not anticipating that people might see the demolition as being crass, he said it had been intended as a "commemorative event" rather than a "celebration".

Mr Grevemberg was also asked whether he now regretted the idea.

He said: "You know I think, speaking of journeys and destinations, it has caused a lot of conversation which is probably very necessary conversation as well, irrespective of the Games itself.

"So from that standpoint I would hope that at this point people use this energy and power to support the Games and that we can all move forward."

Mr Grevemberg said no objections to the demolition had been raised while the plans were being drawn up.

And he said organisers would find "other ways" of telling the story of Glasgow's regeneration during the opening event.

"We want to delight people and we want people to be really engaged around this and I really am confident that this was one part of the ceremony," he added.

"There's lots of parts to the ceremony and I feel very confident that people are going to enjoy this and its going to be a great moment."

Former Scottish Socialist MSP Carolyn Leckie, who began a public petition against the demolition, welcomed the proposals being scrapped.

She told BBC Scotland: "It's the right decision and I think it should be welcomed that they have been prepared to change their minds, no matter what has prompted them to change their minds."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-27018479


Posted by: Scotsman 14th Apr 2014, 11:36am

The right decision to scrap this nonsense but what a way to spoil any goodness from it with all the rubbish that is being spouted by these people. For goodness sake cant these people see that the idea was mince to start with and only went downhill from there. It was crass and insulting and nearly 20000 people signed the petition against it in short order.... when was the last time the council got that many people to support anything they do??

Time for Gordon Matheson to go.... enough is enough!! angry.gif

Posted by: ktv 14th Apr 2014, 12:46pm

glasgows labour administration has left the area (and loads of others) to rot for years.

they have done next to nothing in these areas for decades because of lack of funding yet find half a billion pounds to let some over privileged people do laps for 2 weeks.

people who lived in the area of the games their whole life where forcible evicted from their homes to make way for a food stall that will only be there for 2 weeks ffs.

the labour council have for decades repeatedly shown disregard for the local communities and i think its time for them to go.

Posted by: Mathieson 14th Apr 2014, 01:52pm

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 14th Apr 2014, 12:53pm) *
The right decision to scrap this nonsense but what a way to spoil any goodness from it with all the rubbish that is being spouted by these people. For goodness sake cant these people see that the idea was mince to start with and only went downhill from there. It was crass and insulting and nearly 20000 people signed the petition against it in short order.... when was the last time the council got that many people to support anything they do??

Time for Gordon Matheson to go.... enough is enough!! angry.gif

Well said.

All the heid-bummers appeared to be in complete agreement with this ludicrous plan but now they are all desperately scrambling to distance themselves from it now that the public have had their say.

Despicable shower of cowards.

Posted by: bilbo.s 15th Apr 2014, 11:59am

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/glasgow-to-be-destroyed-at-games-closing-ceremony-2014040785496


Not to be read by those in need of a humour transplant. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 15th Apr 2014, 11:18pm

That was funny, bilbo! smile.gif And if ye cannae laugh ...






GG.

Posted by: norrie123 16th Apr 2014, 07:04am

Nice one GG
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: Guest John Bogie 16th Apr 2014, 01:24pm

Yes Great News, Shows you what people power can do !

Posted by: Guest 16th Apr 2014, 01:27pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Apr 2014, 06:28pm) *
It wasn't John, so will you be voting YES on September 18th?


I will JAGZ Thanks.

Posted by: Dylan 16th Apr 2014, 03:26pm

Well slap my thigh and walk to the bottom of my street.

I would never have believed that. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GG 18th Apr 2014, 11:08am

From The Times (London) earlier this week:

QUOTE
Games image damaged by row over Red Road flat demolition

The row over aborted plans to demolish five tower blocks as part of the opening ceremony of this summer's Commonwealth Games could cause lasting damage to Glasgow's international reputation, say public relations experts.

Organisers of Glasgow 2014 made an embarrassing U-turn on Sunday, scrapping plans to demolish the Red Road flats as part of their televised opening ceremony after growing public opposition to the plans, as well as a warning from the police. Public relation experts have now criticised the organisers for failing to "understand the Scottish psyche", trying to implement an "amateur" stunt, and taking too long to reverse their decision.

David Grevemberg, chief executive of Glasgow 2014, cited safety concerns for the change in plans and said organisers had followed recommendations from police, who believed protests could take place if the demolition went ahead.

Jack Irvine, executive chairman of Media House, a leading public relations and crisis management company, said the response had not been good enough. "The organisers have changed their minds kicking and screaming", he said. "The plan showed a tremendous lack of the understanding of the Scottish psyche. It was almost if it was trying to obliterate the memory of those who had lived there."

He added that the public had not been consulted about the plan and that this had generated a lot of "bad feeling" in the city. He said: "I wonder who they actually asked about this before announcing it. It was just a messy, badly thought-out idea. Everybody seems to have been asleep on the job here." ...

And a very prescient observation in an article from 4th April 2014:
QUOTE
This Summer, Glasgow Plans to Blow Up Its Tallest Buildings

[...] This angry end for the Red Road is a far cry from its beginnings. When the project was built in the 1960s, it was meant to help start a brighter future for Glasgow. Hitherto, working class Glaswegians had been crammed into old Victorian and Edwardian tenements, often with no central heating, poor plumbing and a tenacious layer of external grime. Whole neighborhoods of these tenements were swept away, their occupants transplanted to new projects offering up-to-date facilities, more space both inside and out, and broad views across lawns instead of other houses pushing against the back windows.

The re-developers made a classic mistake, however. The problems with the old Glasgow were ones of poverty rather than design. Had the city refurbished rather than demolished, the old areas might be thriving today. Middle-class Glasgow tenements built along similar, if more generous lines remained untouched and are now sought after. Meanwhile the new projects decayed swiftly thanks to poor maintenance, their residents' no wealthier. On top of this, these residents were now loaded with the stigma of living in a place synonymous with urban decay and high unemployment. The notorious Glasgow Effect, where residents experienced consistently worse health and life expectancy than other comparable cities, continued.

Glasgow's new projects shouldered much blame for this, often unfairly. True, like many buildings of their time, Red Road was packed with asbestos. But the decimation of Glasgow’s port and industrial sector, which arrived around the same time, had far more effect on people’s wealth and health than living in a modernist tower. ...

Full article here:
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing/2014/04/summer-glasgow-plans-blow-its-tallest-buildings-live-tv/8807/

GG.

Posted by: tamhickey 20th Apr 2014, 08:59am

At the other end of Petershill Road, the one remaining piece of greenery which keeps all forms of life viable, from the snail to the Deer, well, our dear city council have put the land up for sale. This mob don't seem to care who they annoy, just as long as the right brown envelopes change hands. public consultation? There wasn't any, trust me. I live literally yards away from this proposed development yet my views were not sought? A done deal in other words.

Who do these people think they are?

Posted by: Maribo 20th Apr 2014, 09:09am

This idea would have worked if they had demolished the buildings when they first heard Glasgow was to host The Commonwealth Games,and they had filmed the demolition and the regeneration, that would have shown what Glasgow can do, but I doubt very much if this land will ever be anything other than waste land when they do come down.

Posted by: surboomer 20th Apr 2014, 06:24pm

kids are dying and you are mourning over ugly skyscrapers? get over it, get a life.

Posted by: GG 20th Apr 2014, 07:54pm

A comment from columnist Keith Aitken at the Express:

QUOTE
Denis Healey's First Law of Holes - when you're in one, stop digging - still seems beyond decision-makers. Having sensibly done a handbrake turn on the Red Road flats plan, Games chief David Grevemberg insists that the rethink was all down to safety concerns… thereby telling the world that the Games are in the hands of people who still can't tell a lousy idea from a good one.

GG.

Posted by: Guvin Wullie 22nd Apr 2014, 12:09am

QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 7th Apr 2014, 09:34pm) *
ktv
"While I agree with the general statement you made (im from the area) I think your right wing tone is a bit off the mark"
Fact: Mandela was a terrorist, if you want to whitewash history that's up to you, there's nothing right wing about the truth!
If they can name a street after an African Terrorist, they can name one after a Glasgow Hero, or are streets only to be named after one's you like?
Despite the efforts of people like you, democracy still exists here. Barely, in your case!
Alex

To refer to a man, never found guilty of any crime other than a refusal to rule out violence against a muderous white minority regime that treated his ancestoral home as their own, enslaved the majority of the traditional owners of that sorry land and led politics from the end of their guns and whips. Terrorists they were white and so are you; Justification 101.

Posted by: Scotsman 25th Apr 2014, 03:24pm

Read this is the paper the other day about a young lad who has set up another petition but this time to stop them knocking down the flats at all!!

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/teenagers-petition-bid-to-save-red-road-160758n.24032434

Posted by: Scotsman 25th Apr 2014, 03:30pm

Took a while to find this because the link on the ET website is not working for some reason....

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/stop-the-demolition-of-the-red-road-flats

Posted by: ARu-999 28th Apr 2014, 04:24am

It would be nice if the buffoons who came up with this idea simply admited it was a bad one, and it was cancelled on that basis.

But no, they have to cite Health and Safety and the feelings of some immigrants .... sorry, I don't think H&S had any input to this (in fact I am sure on this), and I don't think any imigrant had any opinion on the destruction of the flats whatsoever.

Still on the plus side, our town will not be a laughing stock!!

Posted by: Harrymc 29th Apr 2014, 05:01pm

QUOTE (GG @ 13th Apr 2014, 02:52pm) *
Thanks Bilbo! Great news! smile.gif

Perhaps in future Glasgow City Council, Glasgow Life and Glasgow 2014 will consult the people of Glasgow before they drag the reputation of our great city through the mud.

GG

"Perhaps in future Glasgow City Council, Glasgow Life and Glasgow 2014 will consult the people of Glasgow before they drag the reputation of our great city through the mud. "

Don't hold your breath on that onei
It seems to me,given their previous form regarding the statues in George Square and all the wasted resources involved that project,that the people of Glasgow are more likely to be consulted by the statues than the so called city fathers.
It's pretty obvious that these people regard the City as their own personal fiefdom and that the mere mortals who voted them into office should have no input where matters such as these ill considered schemes are concerned.
Is anybody listening???

Posted by: DavidT 1st May 2014, 03:21pm

Glasgow's Local Development Plan affecting housing and environment went online for viewing today. Parts of it may be of interest. I don't think it is designed for cover to cover reading.

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=11752

Posted by: Dylan 1st May 2014, 08:53pm

I don't believe it is DT. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GG 1st May 2014, 11:46pm

Well this is a wee bit embarrassing for the London-based local MP, whose claim to be a knowledgeable member of the local community looks more fragile by the week. Below is the official press release from Willie Bain, taken from http://www.williebain.com/, in which he comments on the forced reversal of the Red Road flats demolition plan. The observant among you will note that Willie doesn't even know the name of the flats or where they are situated! blush.gif


GG.

Posted by: ktv 2nd May 2014, 07:56am

the comments of his page have been turned off surprise surprise.

so he'll NOT be focusing on the redevelopment of the site either?

guys a waste of space really.

Posted by: GG 10th May 2014, 02:42pm

In the http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/ yesterday:

QUOTE
BRIDGET MOANS; Games chief email gripe over blast fears

A furious Games boss lashed out at cops and rail chiefs for slating their barmy plans to blow up the Red Road flats. Glasgow 2014 board member Bridget McConnell criticised officials for raising safety fears over the ill-fated opening ceremony idea. Her comments, in an email to a colleague, came before the unveiling of the curtain-raiser on July 23, which was axed last month after a public backlash.

Mrs McConnell - boss of Glasgow City Council Culture and Sport - said British Transport Police and Network Rail were guilty of "presenting real obstacles with no solution as to how we can get round them".

The 55-year-old, wife of former First Minister Jack, seethed in an email to council chief exec George Black: "The problems really are not insurmountable. But if people aren't willing to find solutions they will become insurmountable."

Correspondence obtained by The Scottish Sun under FoI show Glasgow 2014 bosses branded the plan "highly confidential" and gave the preparations a codename "Project Otto".

The emails show officers were concerned a huge dust cloud from the flats demolition could affect aviation airspace over the city. They also feared that keeping the demolition zone safe would divert resources away from the Games and play havoc with transport.

A top officer also warned the closure of the rail line could hinder any emergency evacuation of opening ceremony venue Celtic Park and asked who'd pay the bill for the extra policing required. Network Rail bosses warned they wanted a "solution that doesn't disrupt the network in any form".

Despite the concerns Glasgow 2014 went ahead with it. Last night chiefs declined to comment on Mrs McConnell's emails.

But a spokeswoman said: "It was clear to all from the outset safety was paramount. "It would only have taken place during the opening ceremony if and when it was safe to do so."

Glasgow 2014 are upset with the Sun because the newspaper embarrassed the chief of the games after the Red Road u-turn, and then G2014 ran to Alex Salmond to try and get him to ban the Sun coverage!

QUOTE
Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games contacted Alex Salmond's office in attempt to ban coverage by The Sun following medals stunt

The Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games committee is understood to have approached the office of Scotland’s First Minister Alex Salmond in an attempt to ban media partner the Scottish Sun from covering the games after it pulled a stunt during the medal unveiling ceremony.

The Drum has learned that a complaint was made to Salmond following a stunt pulled by the paper on 15 April during the unveiling of the design of the Games medals in which the Sun presented a gold medal for the u-turn on the decision to demolish the Red Road flats as part of the opening ceremony. ...

Full story here:
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/04/29/glasgow-2014-commonwealth-games-contacted-alex-salmonds-office-attempt-bad-coverage

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 12th May 2014, 03:44pm

Project Otto.... geeza break! mad.gif

Well this is what Glasgow has come to with employees we pay for hiding the truth from the people who are supposed to run the city. Just what is going on here and what are politicians going to do about this nonsense where they have been made to look like idiots and still stay dumb.... tail wagging dug!!

Posted by: GG 20th May 2014, 08:21pm

A wee pic from last week that may be of interest. It's not a great quality photo, as the distance, angle and focal points make it tricky for the camera I had.

Not often you see a Saltire in Balornock! Restless natives? huh.gif

GG.


 

Posted by: ktv 21st May 2014, 08:17am

I can see the natives getting more and more restless every week.

somethings gonna give at some point.

just hope im no about when it kicks off.

Posted by: GG 1st Jun 2014, 02:51pm

Interesting article in the Sunday Herald today. Relates to a new Scottish Refugee Council documentary and exhibition of memories of those who lived in the tower blocks being wantonly demolished by the the council and GHA. Includes a quote from former Socialist MSP Carolyn Leckie, who launched the successful 17,000-signatory petition against the destruction of the Red Road flats for sport. Carolyn said:

QUOTE
"Everybody who signed left a comment, and there were lots of comments about respect, dignity, and people's memories.

People described their mixed emotions about what had been family homes being blown up, whatever their thoughts were about the flats politically. I think people were motivated emotionally, and almost viscerally.

Then I felt as if there was a [personal] connection with the flats. I never actually lived there, but I lived in social housing in the Gorbals, where tenements were being demolished when I was growing up.

Everybody's lives were in full view as the tenements were being brought down - the wallpaper was still on the walls, you'd sometimes see pictures still hanging, too.

I got to thinking about the lives of all the people who had moved through those flats. I found it really poignant when I was a child, and I suppose something from then struck a chord when it came to memories, and feelings.

The more I thought about it, some of the more political questions came to mind - about the message to the rest of the world, about leaving one block standing for asylum-seeking families, about the practical aspects of shifting everybody on the day of the ceremony, about road-blocks, and dust everywhere.

All of that was part of it, but what made me feel uncomfortable was [to do with] dignity, and memories, and respect."

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/homes-hopes-dreams-and-dust.24357463

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 2nd Jun 2014, 01:51pm

A few years ago I had the experience of working, fully protected, in an area where asbestos was being removed before a big chimney stck was demolished in the City of Basel on the Swiss/German border.
The sealed off so called "Black" area with asbestos particles hanging like fog in the air reminded me of those early pictures of Chernobyl.
The hermetically sealed rubber suit and breathing mask that I wore did nothing to make me feel the least bit comfortable in the black area and helped me lose more weight than was healthy for me in the 10 days that I lasted out before telling the firm to which I was sub-contracted to replace me since I wouldn't be back for a third week. They offered me an extra ¤5.00 an hour and I told them if they made that ¤50.00 an hour on top they'd still be looking for someone else on Monday.
Having said that, it is still the only way to remove the asbestos from These flats, if they have to come down at all.
Bringing them down with a bang will do untold damage to citizens for miles and miles around and if there are so called prevailing winds then the damage to health is anybody's guess.
If this is the extent of the thinking of Glasgow councillors then it's high time they were removed from Office before they bring the City to it's knees along with the High-Rise flats they wish to turn into a Publicity stunt.

Posted by: Guest 2nd Jun 2014, 03:59pm

QUOTE (ktv @ 5th Apr 2014, 01:55pm) *
Pete

All the asbestos has been removed from the blocks....thats what theyve been doing for the last 5 years.


Posted by: GG 26th Jun 2014, 11:41pm

Work continues on the preparation for the demolition of the five of the six remaining blocks, with the fifth tower now being prepared for demolition. I've not seen a schedule released for the blow-down yet, but it will be interesting to see if it is to be rushed before the opening of the Commonwealth games in less than a month now.

I also noted that council cleaning squads were in last week clearing the huge amounts of litter and rubbish that had gathered around the Red Road site. Probably getting ready for the cameras.

GG.

Posted by: Heather 7th Jul 2014, 07:07pm

GG, have those buildings been demolished yet?

Posted by: GG 7th Jul 2014, 11:10pm

Hi Heather,

No, all the six remaining tower blocks still there. The only major change is that the last point block has been emptied of materials and prepared for demolition. I'll try and find out when it's to be done, however, looks unlikely to be before the start of the Commonwealth games.

First photo below was taken a couple of months ago and the second last week. Each from approximately 180 degree angles, but you can see that the grey tower is now red.

GG.




 

Posted by: GG 12th Jul 2014, 09:39am

I think there's irony here somewhere! wink.gif

GG.




 

Posted by: ktv 14th Jul 2014, 01:38pm

wee film on read roads last resident.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jun/16/bird-man-red-road-glasgow-flats-last-resident-video

Posted by: norrie123 14th Jul 2014, 02:17pm

Hi KTV, interesting, I wonder if Jamil got permission to stay

I know the Phootgrapher who done this film, I worked, along with others on a project about The Olympia Cinema Bridgeton

Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: GG 13th Sep 2014, 08:33am

The Red Road flats, originally planned to be blown down for the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony on 23rd July 2014, will now not come down before the Scottish Independence referendum next week. I understand that the decision to postpone the blow-down was made as senior Labour politicians did not want the event to be used to concentrate minds (and the media) on the truly appalling record of Labour failure in Glasgow.

GG.


 

Posted by: gormac 13th Sep 2014, 11:06pm

The demolition vid looked like it was a job commissioned to Bin Laden Constructions and Demolition in Riyadh.

Posted by: ktv 14th Sep 2014, 12:39am

QUOTE (GG @ 13th Sep 2014, 09:50am) *
The Red Road flats, originally planned to be blown down for the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony on 23rd July 2014, will now not come down before the Scottish Independence referendum next week. I understand that the decision to postpone the blow-down was made as senior Labour politicians did not want the event to be used to concentrate minds (and the media) on the truly appalling record of Labour failure in Glasgow.

GG.

I like that pic thumbup.gif

speaks volumes if you ask me.

Posted by: Scotsman 24th Nov 2014, 04:59pm

Looks like they are all being moved out now including the asylum seekers.... does that mean all the blocks come down together??

Posted by: ktv 24th Nov 2014, 06:24pm

its near impossible to find out any decent info on it really.
all I ever here is "a guy told my mate" type stuff and safedems site is rubbish.

heres their latest newsletter
http://www.redroaddemolition.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Autumn-issue-17-draft-3-21-10-14-final.pdf

your more likely to find out(as soon as anyone else really) on that other Glasgow site that hides wink.gif

Posted by: GG 24th Nov 2014, 11:41pm

An update hidden in Saturday's Evening Times. As is his usual form, Wee Willie Bain, MP, only surfaces from his London abode when there is a rather spurious sound-bite to be made regarding asylum seekers.

QUOTE
Asylum seekers housed in Glasgow’s Red Road flats could be moved to a disused 
industrial site. A proposal to turn the 
former office building at the old Scottish Water site in 
Balmore Road into short-stay accommodation has been submitted to the council.

The Home Office said the contract with Glasgow Housing Association for the blocks of flats in Petershill Drive ends this year.

The six blocks in the north east of the city are due for demolition.

Housing provider Orchard and Shipman, which works on behalf of Serco and the Home Office, identified the industrial site at 419 Balmore Road, Parkhouse, as a suit­able alternative location.

Asylum seekers will be moved to a hostel in the city centre immediately after the contract ends until the new housing is ready. But concerns have been raised by community 
leaders and local residents who say there has been little consultation.

If the plans get the 
go-ahead it is understood up to 200 asylum seekers could live in the site at any time. It is believed Balmore Road would be used as short-stay accommodation in the same way as the flats in Petershill Drive.

Families seeking refuge from countries usually stay there for 21 days before they are re-homed elsewhere or their application is turned down.

John Bond, chairman of Parkhouse Community Council, said he feared the plans were being rushed through. He said: “We just feel this area is used as a dumping round.”

Glasgow North East MP William Bain said “major concerns” had emerged from the plans.

He added: “Constituents are concerned about the consequences for roads, the safety of asylum seekers, and the quality of the proposed accommodation.

“The plans would mean 
accommodating asylum seekers on an industrial site where some of the units may not have opening windows, and with restricted access to the site.

“The present location for short-stay asylum seekers 
in Petershill Drive is in 
a residential area, with a full range of services provided locally for asylum seekers with the support of an active local civic society, including the churches.”

Mr Bain said Serco should consult residents, adding that locals felt the proposal had not been properly handled so far.

He added: “The danger is that in a rush to seek planning consent, legitimate concerns of local people about what this means for them, and for the welfare of the asylum seekers, are being ignored.”

A Home Office spokesman said: “The UK has a proud history of granting asylum to those who need it and we are committed to providing safe and secure accommodation while cases are considered.

“Our housing providers have a duty to supply accommodation to an agreed standard and the Home Office has robust mechanisms in place to monitor standards.

“The current contract for Petershill Drive to be used for housing provision comes to an end later this year.

“Our accommodation provider has identified an alternative location for asylum seekers and we are working with them, local partners and Glasgow City Council.

The planned schedule is for the remaining Red Road blocks to be demolished and the site cleared by 2017.

The http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/city-asylum-seekers-could-be-housed-in-industrial-site-189578n.25936802#disqus_thread are as interesting as the story.

GG.

Posted by: GG 24th Nov 2014, 11:52pm

And a story in the Herald today:

QUOTE
Future of Red Road flats is in spotlight as last residents leave

THE last-ever residents of the notorious tower blocks originally planned for demolition during the Commonwealth Games will leave their homes in the coming weeks.

Around 200 asylum seekers will move out of the Red Road flats in north Glasgow by the end of the year, bringing to an end nearly five decades of life in what are often billed as Europe’s one-time highest tower blocks.

Those living in the tower block are either failed asylum seekers or are going through the process of claiming asylum, with many from Africa, parts of the Middle East and Kosovo.

At present, there are more than 3,000 asylum seekers living in supported accommodation throughout Glasgow.

The move has again fuelled speculation as to when the tower blocks will be pulled down. All but the block still in use had been earmarked for demolition as part of the opening ceremony of the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games but the plans were pulled after a campaign which lasted several weeks and received global media attention.

One concern was the perception sent to the Commonwealth of the standard of properties in which Glasgow houses asylum.
The asylum seekers still living in the block in Petershill Drive will be housed temporarily in a hostel in Glasgow city centre until new accommodation is ready. [see above] ...

Full article here:
https://archive.today/fnCcY

And the Herald editorial on the subject:
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Red Road solution must rise to housing challenge

he angry and bewildered response of many in Glasgow to the announcement earlier this year that the organisers of the Commonwealth Games planned to blow up the Red Road Flats as part of the opening ceremony demonstrated what a complicated relationship Glaswegians have with the buildings. It would be hard to find anyone who thinks the Red Road flats were a success, but at the same time, the news that the last residents will be moving out in the next few weeks is likely to raise some mixed emotions.

For the asylum seekers living in the one building still in use, the end of the flats at least holds out the hope of some improvement in their living conditions. The idea of blowing the flats up during the Games was always most insensitive to the 200 or so asylum seekers who would have had to watch the other buildings come down, but Red Road was also a poor reflection on how the UK treats those who come here to claim asylum. 
The Red Road residents will now be housed in a hostel until new accommodation is ready.

The decision to move the asylum seekers on will also hasten the destruction of the flats and the end of a complicated story of social change. The most recent chapter in that story has been grim, but many Glaswegians will remember its happier beginning in the 1960s when the flats were built as a solution to the problem of overcrowding and poor living conditions in other parts of the city. Indeed, for many of those who moved to Red Road, the flats, with their inside toilets, represented an improvement on what they had. ...

Full article here:
https://archive.today/GV1mZ

GG.

Posted by: ktv 25th Nov 2014, 08:42am

QUOTE (GG @ 24th Nov 2014, 11:58pm) *
An update hidden in Saturday's Evening Times. As is his usual form, Wee Willie Bain, MP, only surfaces from his London abode when there is a rather spurious sound-bite to be made regarding asylum seekers.


The http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/city-asylum-seekers-could-be-housed-in-industrial-site-189578n.25936802#disqus_thread are as interesting as the story.

GG.


aye seen it the other day, the usual blinkered right wing eejits blaming the most vulnerable people in society for years of mismanagement by councillor's and politicians

Posted by: GG 25th Nov 2014, 09:23pm

The STV reported today that:

QUOTE
Residents have reacted with anger over plans to house asylum seekers in temporary accommodation at a disused office block.

The proposed development would see 100 individuals and families, currently living in the Glasgow's Red Road flats, moving to the city's Possil area.

The deadline for objections to the proposals close on Wednesday and a consultation meeting was held for locals on Monday evening. Locals say they have not been properly informed.

The Red Road flats at Petershill Drive is currently home to many asylum seekers whilst their cases are reviewed by the Home Office.

But as there are plans to blow up this 60s tower block, the process of re-housing the residents is underway.

Planning permission has been sought by security firm Serco to convert the former office block on Balmore Road into short stay accommodation composed of one and two bedroom flats.

Up to 100 asylum seekers could be moved there if the plans are approved.

While the Evening Times quoted three local residents:
QUOTE
"We are only finding out about this now – the least they could do is put a letter through our door when they put in the planning application.

It’s like it’s been done
 underhand, like they thought no one would notice. We have concerns about the plans. 
We don’t know the level of asylum seekers coming in and out. I don’t think it’s a good location."

QUOTE
"I think they should be looking at other sites across the city for
 different options.

They are picking on a
deprived area. I look on to the property and I used to work at the Scottish Water site. It has paper thin walls. It doesn’t seem like a good choice for housing people."

QUOTE
"From my point of view the asylum seekers themselves are not the problem but the plans look like a prison site.

We don’t know enough about it. We don’t get enough facilities here as it is so I think the council should be looking into that."

GG.

Posted by: GG 1st Dec 2014, 11:51pm

QUOTE (ktv @ 24th Nov 2014, 06:41pm) *
its near impossible to find out any decent info on it really.
all I ever here is "a guy told my mate" type stuff and safedems site is rubbish.

heres their latest newsletter
http://www.redroaddemolition.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Autumn-issue-17-draft-3-21-10-14-final.pdf

your more likely to find out(as soon as anyone else really) on that other Glasgow site that hides wink.gif

KTV, the Evening Times reported last week.

QUOTE
It is understood the high rise blocks are due to be demolished next year.

If the city's newspaper can't get a definitive answer about when the demolition process is to take place, then who can? Looks like the whole schedule is in complete disarray following the repercussions of the clueless officials from the council and Glasgow Life who tried to get the blocks demolished for the Commonwealth Games. Sounds even crazier now than it did then!

GG.

Posted by: tamhickey 2nd Dec 2014, 04:11am

Why is it that the council insist on putting up Asylum seekers in already deprived areas? Surely it would make more sense to house these folk and their families in more affluent areas where the infrastructure is already in place to support them? There are a broad mix of people of various nationalities who are here and like every other person living here, there ought to be more of an ethnic diversity in all areas of the city to assist integration. It's time the council thought outside the box on the issue of accommodation and on rents enabling any citizen in the city to move to any area they wish, as it seems there are far too many areas where it's financially impossible to afford rents.

I know there is an issue here where the council have said that since the Right to Buy act came into force and the receipts of which went to the chancellor rather than the council that they were unable to build new housing, or did so at a very limited rate, but somebody on the housing planning committee ought to be able to think ahead since Right to Buy has gone by the wayside.

Another thing that caught my eye is that there are 3,000 Asylum seekers in Glasgow. As a number, it's miniscule, I mean Partick Thistle get more fans at an away game! lol In all seriousness though, if they get leave to remain, they will become net contributors to Glasgows' finances and to our culture, sport and business. it's time the council recognised this and treated them and all of us with more respect.

Posted by: Glasgow Guest 2nd Dec 2014, 08:05am

QUOTE
Surely it would make more sense to house these folk and their families in more affluent areas where the infrastructure is already in place to support them?

If we were to house asylum seekers in the more affluent areas there would be an ummediate impact in terms of cost. A three bedroom property in Giffnock, for example, would cost in the region of £1600 per calendar month to rent. The rental cost of a comparable property in Dennistoun is likely to be about two thirds of that.

QUOTE
It's time the council thought outside the box on the issue of accommodation and on rents enabling any citizen in the city to move to any area they wish, as it seems there are far too many areas where it's financially impossible to afford rents.

Financially impossible for whom? Landlords charge the market rate depending on area and the size of property. If they cannot find a tenant that is an indication that the rental price of the property is set too high and a landlord will drop the price accordingly. Empty properties do not make money; it is that simple.

Posted by: ktv 2nd Dec 2014, 08:54am

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Posted by: Betsy2009 2nd Dec 2014, 09:02am

Well said, Tam.

Posted by: Dylan 2nd Dec 2014, 09:34am

I'll drink to that Tam.

Well said !.

Posted by: Scotsman 2nd Dec 2014, 12:05pm

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 2nd Dec 2014, 04:28am) *
Why is it that the council insist on putting up Asylum seekers in already deprived areas? Surely it would make more sense to house these folk and their families in more affluent areas where the infrastructure is already in place to support them? There are a broad mix of people of various nationalities who are here and like every other person living here, there ought to be more of an ethnic diversity in all areas of the city to assist integration. It's time the council thought outside the box on the issue of accommodation and on rents enabling any citizen in the city to move to any area they wish, as it seems there are far too many areas where it's financially impossible to afford rents.

1. The cooncil wants those who claim to be asylum seekers to be in the poor communities because its all about divide and conquer. Just look at whats happened in Ferguson in America to see the kind of future that waits when poor people of different races are mixed the same poor and deprived areas.

2. The NIMBY mob of posh residents of places like Bearsden or Milngavie would make sure that planning permission was never given to any plan about asylum seekers. Not in their back yard thats for sure! Okay for Red Road or Possil but not next door to them!!

3. The last thing our esteemed Labour cooncilors and privileged want is to have to live next to undesirables so they make absolutely sure that the rents are different in different areas. Do you know where screamin Maggie Curran lives.... because she sure as **** doesnae!! smile.gif

Posted by: Alex Saville 2nd Dec 2014, 06:17pm

Tam Hickey
Regarding your comments on the council unable to build new houses. Blair abolished Glasgow's Housing Debt on the understanding that Glasgow would not build council housing.
The housing stock was transferred to the Glasgow Housing Association with the aim of the stock being transferred to new local housing associations or existing ones.
In this area (Springburn/Possilpark ), the two main ones were the Springburn & Possilpark Housing Association and the West of Scotland Housing Association.
A smaller one was the Hawthorn Housing Cooperative.
The SNP don't want small H/Assns., they want bigger ones.
That policy means control slips from local people to much larger groups.
The G.H.A. which was established as a stopgap to disperse the councils properties is now the largest provider in the city, controlled via the backdoor by the Council.
One of the reasons for this is that grant funding for building Social Housing is now down to 30% or thereabouts.
Building, according to Duncan McNaught, the recently retired Chief Executive of the W. of S.H.A., is being run down as the H/A doesn't want to get into debt causing problems for the organisation.
The Council have been quietly selling off land that used to occupy Social Housing to developers, this policy has resulted, for example, in land being scare in the Ruchill area to build S/Housing.

Alex

Posted by: Alex Saville 2nd Dec 2014, 06:27pm

The West of Scotland Housing Association has 2,023 people on their waiting list.
I'm sure they will take great comfort that some of the 3,000 asylum seekers in Glasgow will jump the queue for a house, since they're the 'Most vulnerable in Society'.
No matter, they're probably all 'Right Wing Eejits' anyway, let them wait!
Alex

Posted by: Dave Grieve 3rd Dec 2014, 08:17am

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 2nd Dec 2014, 02:22pm) *
2. The NIMBY mob of posh residents of places like Bearsden or Milngavie would make sure that planning permission was never given to any plan about asylum seekers. Not in their back yard thats for sure! Okay for Red Road or Possil but not next door to them!!

Something I found interesting about Abidjan was the complete mix of housing, you could find ten bedroomed Mansions next door to tiny little houses perhaps only two rooms, in Bamako it was the same The Canadian Embassy sits across the street from an open air abattoir while on the main road all size of housing are jumbled together

Posted by: ktv 3rd Dec 2014, 09:21am

QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 2nd Dec 2014, 06:44pm) *
The West of Scotland Housing Association has 2,023 people on their waiting list.
I'm sure they will take great comfort that some of the 3,000 asylum seekers in Glasgow will jump the queue for a house, since they're the 'Most vulnerable in Society'.
No matter, they're probably all 'Right Wing Eejits' anyway, let them wait!
Alex

why don't you complain to the WSHA or even better the church of Scotland to see what they say about your ideas of leaving people on the street just because theyre foreigners.

I very much doubt most of the people on the waiting list are right wing eejits so yet again your tarring a vast swathe of society purely because you are one.....most people aren't like you.

Posted by: Alex Saville 3rd Dec 2014, 12:28pm

Oh Dear! I seem to have upset the far, far, left Eejit!
Oh Dear!!
Alex

Posted by: ktv 3rd Dec 2014, 12:57pm

I don't get upset by what unknowns say on forums mate, merely pointing out you moan constantly about the same subject yet don't seem to complain to the right people...is that because your scared of the answer youl get from the church?

Posted by: Alex Saville 3rd Dec 2014, 01:41pm

Firstly, I'm not your mate! I'm fussy the company I keep!
Secondly, people like you, when your not playing the Race Card, are fond of using words like 'Moan' to justify in your tiny mind spouting the rubbish about other people that you use.
In your response's to various people you never come up with any rebuttal of the facts they present, you merely reduce the debate to a personal level. You don't like it when they respond in kind.
You prefer to hurl insults insinuating people are old because they hold the views they do. You present their arguments as 'Rants' and 'Right Wing', you believe they are 'Gullible'.
You, of course, are the font of all knowledge and, in your misguided opinion, think others should abide by your opinion.
You refer to those who's opinion you don't like as 'Olde', either you cant spell or your having a joke!
You seem to have a hatred of 'OLD' people, didn't you suggest someone might throw their zimmer?
You refer to 'Our ancestors died to protect the freedom of people' but you don't seem to have any respect for the right to express the opinions of those who don't agree with you.
Hypocrite!
In short, you appear to be of low intelligence and don't seem to have the ability to have a logical debate with anyone.
Instead, hurling insults seems to be your level.
Bet the teachers cheered when you left school!

You have a nice day there!
Alex


Posted by: ktv 3rd Dec 2014, 01:48pm

awwww didums
did my post asking you to greet at the people involved instead of ranting constant right wing delusional crap on forums or newspaper comments sections upset you?

maybe your scared of what they would say to you and burst your wee hatred bubble, but then again you could always tell them you where in a union in your younger days so cant be right wing at all. laugh.gif

Posted by: Alex Saville 3rd Dec 2014, 02:09pm

You illustrate my points on your intelligence wonderfully!
Thank you very much!
Have a Nice Day!

Oh, by the way, I was a Union Member for 50 years, and proud of it!
Your kind were always on the prowl at Branch Meetings, full of crap and looking for an opportunity to put your out of touch opinions on record as Branch Policy. Rarely worked as the members could see right through the crap.
Just as most people here can see through your crap!
Alex

Posted by: ktv 3rd Dec 2014, 02:37pm

so no word back from the church or its housing association yet then i take it?

anyhoo much as id like to hear more of your "I was in a union for 50 years" so you cant be right wing rubbish lets get back to the topic of a moment or two eh.

ive no idea why theyre thinking of putting the asylum seekers from red road in a revamped place in balmoral estate as its supposedly unsuitable when theres loads of empty housing round about keppochill road and gourlay st that they could easily make use off, and them being integrated to the local area already should keep the disturbance to the minimum

Posted by: GG 3rd Dec 2014, 04:57pm

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Back on topic here.

And stop personalising the issues to the extent that the discussion descends into a slagging match. Remember: it's okay disagree on points or wider issues and leave it a that.

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 4th Dec 2014, 09:36am

Its in the ET today that the Red Road asylum seekers are going to get put up in the Euro Hostel in the city centre after they have been moved from the last block of the Red Road flats.

But the plan to put the new 200 families who are claiming to be asylum seekers in Balmore Road has been shelved after a huge amount of protest by local residents who did not want them there.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/red-roads-residents-in-limbo-over-housing-191087n.26034014

Posted by: GG 13th Dec 2014, 03:20pm

The Red Road demolition/asylum saga took another expected turn yesterday after Glasgow City Council effectively vetoed the housing of asylum seekers in Glasgow city centre. It was quite obvious to anyone who understands the warped thinking at the council that the Labour-dominated authority was never going to countenance asylum seekers lowering the tone of the city centre, not to mention presenting the possibility that councillors might actually have to rub shoulders with them. Thus, the asylum seekers are to be shunted back to the last inhabited block at Red Road, where a month-to-month council-Serco agreement will mean that the asylum seekers are to be kept at a safe distance from councillors, the city's middle classes and tourists.

An insider at the beleaguered council – who wanted to remain anonymous – said that the plan to house the 200 asylum seekers at the Euro Hostel in the city centre was not appropriate because the hostel did not have "garden provision" (unlike Red Road). wacko.gif

The hostel, though, does have:

Hostel plan to house city asylum seekers in disarray
https://archive.today/a05IG

GG.

Posted by: Alex Saville 13th Dec 2014, 06:32pm

If they have nowhere to keep them, why don't they ship them back south?
Why is that not an option?
If the Council took as much interest in housing homeless Glaswegian's that would be more like it.
Not much chance of that, I think!
Alex

Posted by: Scotsman 15th Dec 2014, 10:12am

Noticed there was a story in the ET on Saturday about Willie Bain moaning about a poster being put up in Red Road saying that asylum seekers who were not real should pack their bags and go home. Bain said it was outrageous that it should be done to them.... but if they are not genuine asylum seekers then why should they not be told to go?? Looked for the link of the ET website but cant find it but it also said that they would still be put up in the Red Road until the new year at the least.

Posted by: Mathieson 18th Dec 2014, 08:59pm

QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 3rd Dec 2014, 01:58pm) *
Firstly, I'm not your mate! I'm fussy the company I keep!
Secondly, people like you, when your not playing the Race Card, are fond of using words like 'Moan' to justify in your tiny mind spouting the rubbish about other people that you use.
In your response's to various people you never come up with any rebuttal of the facts they present, you merely reduce the debate to a personal level. You don't like it when they respond in kind.
You prefer to hurl insults insinuating people are old because they hold the views they do. You present their arguments as 'Rants' and 'Right Wing', you believe they are 'Gullible'.
You, of course, are the font of all knowledge and, in your misguided opinion, think others should abide by your opinion.
You refer to those who's opinion you don't like as 'Olde', either you cant spell or your having a joke!
You seem to have a hatred of 'OLD' people, didn't you suggest someone might throw their zimmer?
You refer to 'Our ancestors died to protect the freedom of people' but you don't seem to have any respect for the right to express the opinions of those who don't agree with you.
Hypocrite!
In short, you appear to be of low intelligence and don't seem to have the ability to have a logical debate with anyone.
Instead, hurling insults seems to be your level.
Bet the teachers cheered when you left school!

You have a nice day there!
Alex


That was a genuine "LOL" moment right there!
ktv's "contributions" perfectly summarised! laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 30th Jan 2015, 01:06am

For what it's worth., from the Guardian last week:

QUOTE
Integrated state to remind Glaswegians of how lucky we are to be on the cusp of this latest round of regeneration,” Leslie writes. “The blocks stand, draped in red, stubbornly holding on before they disappear from Glasgow’s skyline forever http://stampsy.com/stamp/10895 – largely deserted, ready to be blown up – to document what he calls this “postapocalyptic wasteland”.

The images of the abandoned towers, immersed in mist and fog as if already disappearing into the ether, impress and depress in equal measure. “It is almost as if someone wants these buildings to remain in their current partially disintegrated state to remind Glaswegians of how lucky we are to be on the cusp of this latest round of regeneration,” Leslie writes. “The blocks stand, draped in red, stubbornly holding on before they disappear from Glasgow’s skyline forever.”line forever.”

GG.

Posted by: mossgiel 30th Jan 2015, 07:00am

The red road flats hold loads of memories for me,as they were the first ones I worked on when the drawing office I worked for moved from marine engineering to the civil enginneering side.Sad to see them going,they served a purpose back then,and then fell out of favour with some of the people and the council.

Posted by: Alex Saville 2nd Feb 2015, 03:17pm

Here we are, months after the 'Games' and the Red Road Flats are still with us.
Any truth in the story they are trying to sell them to some gullible yank?

Alex

Posted by: ktv 3rd Feb 2015, 11:42am

just makes you wonder how much money the council where going to throw at it to have it done for the games when months later theres still no date for it being done

Posted by: GG 3rd Feb 2015, 11:40pm

KTV, when it comes to getting himself on the telly and, at the same time facilitating greed in the private rented sector, then councillor Matheson was always going to find the millions of pounds that he says was to be well spent. After all, there are plenty of homeless shelters and community hubs to be shut down to provide the dosh.

I've watched the ongoing work on a daily basis – from the asbestos extraction to the demolition of the peripheral structures – and I can say without any doubt whatsoever that the time-scale for the opening ceremony demolition could not have been met without very significant risk to public safety.

From speaking to local residents, who used to be regularly informed of 'progress' by Safedem, the hugely expensive demolition contractors, I've heard that news of a demolition date is now being side-stepped in their tacky newsletters distributed to surrounding homes.

Here's a wee video from around the time of the ongoing controversy ... look out for a familiar face. It's none other than 'Lord Smith of Kelvin', who went from a scrubbed demolition of the Red Road flats to a scrubbed promise of the transfer of meaningful powers to the Scottish Parliament.


As for the utterly contemptible Matheson, http://youtu.be/fY2xQdgLrSc?t=2m57s.

GG.

Posted by: ktv 4th Feb 2015, 09:31am

*shudder* *cringe*

despicable

Posted by: norrie123 4th Feb 2015, 10:22am

Just how many short cuts would they have had to do to get the flats down in time, why are they still standing?

Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: Scots Kiwi Lass 4th Feb 2015, 10:28am

I've just viewed this video again and what a right plonker Gordon Matheson comes across as. By comparison, the young man Robert Fleming spoke from the heart and the head, sincerely and passionately. I felt proud of him.

When the announcement to bring down the flats during the Opening Ceremony of the Games, I felt very uneasy about the ridiculous plan and was highly relieved when it was subsequently cancelled.

Posted by: GG 26th Feb 2015, 12:23am

It almost beggars belief, but, of course, in north-east Glasgow, it doesn't. Rather than the much-publicised demolition of the Red Road flats, there has instead been some recent construction on the site. Was it a much-needed library, community/learning centre, or even a sports facility? Don't be silly! rolleyes.gif

For north-east Glasgow what we get is a brand new temporary Pharmacy, ready to deliver all the strongest medication required to keep the local community doped and placated enough to ignore what is being done to us by Labour-dominated councillors who treat us like garbage.

GG.






 

Posted by: Melody 26th Feb 2015, 10:13am

It just beggars belief, and breaks your heart. sad.gif

I wish we had a hundred more men of the stature of Robert Fleming and a thousand less of the stature of Gordon Mathieson.

Posted by: Melody 26th Feb 2015, 10:29am

Apologies the fab fella on the video is actually Robert Florence and not Fleming as previously stated.

Posted by: Scotsman 26th Feb 2015, 06:07pm

QUOTE (Melody @ 26th Feb 2015, 10:30am) *
It just beggars belief, and breaks your heart. sad.gif

I wish we had a hundred more men of the stature of Robert Fleming and a thousand less of the stature of Gordon Mathieson.

I was just wondering if it was possible to get a man of less stature than Gordon Mathieson??

Posted by: Scotsman 26th Feb 2015, 06:09pm

Kidding aside.... its a disgrace once again to this city. Its just like in the East End where we have streets full of bookies and pharmacies plus the odd quick loan shops and pound shops.

Does anyone know when the Red Road is really getting demolished.... will be interesting to see if it is before the election. Somehow I think not as it would show the politicians up for what they are.


Posted by: GG 3rd Mar 2015, 12:57am

Another exclusive! smile.gif

The end of the Red Road flats is now complete, as the final residents have left the last occupied block, and the surrounding site is being secured for the clearing and demolition process to begin. For the first time in 44 years there are no residents in the (today's costs) £100 million flats' complex which once was home to a population of 4,700 people.

Yet another towering failure of Glasgow's useless Labour administration.

GG.




 

Posted by: Melody 3rd Mar 2015, 10:20am

Imagine being up there. No Health and Safety 1960's. Red Road flats being built. Brave men.
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Posted by: Scotsman 3rd Mar 2015, 04:58pm

Have saw that picture loads of times and it never stops amazing me. Just look at them out there doing a hard job never mind all the dangers involved. Really is amazing. Just a pity that what they built was never properly looked after or might not even have been fit for purpose in the first place.

I take it all the blocks are coming down together then??

Posted by: wombat 3rd Mar 2015, 09:51pm

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 3rd Mar 2015, 05:15pm) *
Have saw that picture loads of times and it never stops amazing me. Just look at them out there doing a hard job never mind all the dangers involved. Really is amazing. Just a pity that what they built was never properly looked after or might not even have been fit for purpose in the first place.

I take it all the blocks are coming down together then??

ah,ll hiv wan o they big I beams ah,m building a chook shed rolleyes.gif

Posted by: wellfield 4th Mar 2015, 01:24am

QUOTE (Melody @ 3rd Mar 2015, 02:37am) *
Imagine being up there. No Health and Safety 1960's. Red Road flats being built. Brave men.
[attachment=48507:Red_Road.jpg]

My brother (Tennscot on this site) and I did this type work in our younger days down in England.

Posted by: Melody 4th Mar 2015, 08:49am

You both have my admiration Wellfield. smile.gif

Posted by: ktv 4th Mar 2015, 01:25pm

ive seen the pic before too and im sure the person who showed me it said it was a relative of his in the pic.

now if only I could remember lol

Posted by: wellfield 4th Mar 2015, 04:42pm

QUOTE (Melody @ 4th Mar 2015, 01:06am) *
You both have my admiration Wellfield. smile.gif

Thanks Melody.....'The Young Lions"....lol

Posted by: Alex Saville 13th Mar 2015, 10:51am

Passed there the other day. They still haven't cleared all the rubble from the first block that came down.
The whole place looks like it is a set for a Sci-Fi atomic disaster movie.
So much for having the remainder of the blocks demolished for the 'Games'.

Alex

Posted by: GG 23rd Apr 2015, 09:25pm

Yes, Alex, that's exactly the impression I get. Quite surreal.

As for a demolition date, the GHA gave a rare statement to the Daily Mail last month on the date of the 'blowdown'. As usual, the quango is being less than transparent with its plans, and the allusion that it is working with "the surrounding community" is pure fiction. Needless to say that they won't be coming down before the General Election – the last thing Glasgow Labour needs at the moment is a very loud and clear reminder of how inadequate and incompetent their policies have been for this city over the last four decades!

QUOTE
The most controversial suggestions ahead of the Games was to demolish empty Glasgow towerblocks during the Opening Ceremony.

Five blocks of high-rise flats already earmarked for demolition would be brought down in spectacular fashion for the edification of the many millions watching around the world.

With dry ice enveloping the crowds at Celtic Park to replicate the effects of dust, the infamous Red Road flats would be destroyed in the name of entertainment.

However, the PR stunt sparked immediate outrage and more than 17,000 people signed an online petition to halt it.

They said it was obscene as the one remaining block was home to asylum seekers. Weeks before the ceremony was due to take place, the organising committee signaled a climb-down and called it off.

The Red Road flats are still standing.

Owners GHA last week said the demolition is likely to go ahead later this year.

A spokesperson said: 'We are working with our demolition contractor, other partners and the surrounding community on plans for the demolition. Our contractor is keeping the Health and Safety Executive up to date at appropriate stages.'

GG.

Posted by: GG 3rd Aug 2015, 11:44pm

In the news today ...

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Red Road flats to be demolished in single autumn blowdown

The towerblocks will be brought down later this year after plans to demolish five of them during the opening ceremony of last year's Commonwealth Games were abandoned.

The remaining six of a group of iconic tower blocks are to be demolished in a controlled explosion later this year.

The Red Road Flats in Glasgow will be brought down in a single blowdown to cause less disruption to residents.

When they were built between 1964 and 1969, the flats were the highest in Europe at 292ft (89 metres) and were designed to hold 4,700 people.

Plans to demolish five of them during the opening ceremony of the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games were abandoned following criticism.

The demolition of the remaining flats is the latest part of Glasgow Housing Association's (GHA) regeneration of communities across the city which will see thousands of new homes built.

David Fletcher, director of regeneration for GHA, said: "We're working very closely with our contractor and partners on plans to bring down all six remaining blocks in a single demolition later this year.

"Our contractor is preparing the blocks for demolition with work carried out to stringent health and safety regulations.

"We'll continue to work with members of the local community about arrangements for the day.

"We'd like to thank all of the residents again for their patience and understanding during this important part of the community regeneration project."

There were originally eight blocks, one of which was demolished in June 2012 and another in May 2013.

The remaining six blocks are all empty and are being prepared for demolition, which will take place some time in the autumn.

Future development options for the cleared site are at an early stage and there will be further community consultation over the summer.

The GHA has not released the actual date, but residents have been told that the blowdown will happen on Sunday, 11th October 2015.

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 4th Aug 2015, 08:35am

Read that story in the ET about them all getting demolished at the same time now. I cant remember if it was here or in the asylum story that this was mentioned but in the ET comments it says that the hundreds of asylum seekers who were in the last block of the Red Road flats were put into brand new build houses near the place. If that turns out to be true then I bet that will really anger all the thousands of families on the council waiting lists!! angry.gif

Posted by: ktv 4th Aug 2015, 10:25am

without looking id suspect that would probably be from one of our own one topic haters who turns every story about Glasgow into a bigoted rant about asylum seekers.

id wager 10p laugh.gif

Posted by: Scotsman 4th Aug 2015, 01:50pm

Thats a wee bit harsh on Mr McPhee is it not?? laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 6th Oct 2015, 09:06pm

It's probably appropriate to close this topic, as any further posts about the demolition of the Red Road flats should be made on the original topic:

The End Of The Red Road Flats
http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=19216

Thanks to all who contributed to this topic; the subject matter showed how incredibly out-of-touch politicians are in this city, not to mention their highly-paid sidekicks at the hugely expensive quangos.

GG.