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Posted by: Kate B 24th Feb 2006, 10:47pm

Anyone out there know when McNeil Gardens, Turnlaw Street, Benthall Street, Waterside Street and Birch Street were built? I THINK it must've been after 1913/14?

Do you remember a biscuit factory in McNeil Street? Do you know what it was called?

Posted by: valros 24th Feb 2006, 11:29pm

Kateb,

Was the Co-op Bakeries not in McNeil Street?
Sorry I can't help with your streets. but I'm sure someone will be able to tell you.

Valros

Posted by: norrie123 6th Mar 2006, 03:03pm

Hi KateB, Turnlaw st and Benthall st are almost the last streets in Gorbals, well actually Hutchesontown.
They both run parallel to Ballatter st and stop at the River Clyde.
Both streets are still there .
I would hazard a guess that these houses were built in the 20s.
I work in Gorbals housing, I will ask around for you.
Birch st may well be older as I am sure there are newer houses on that area now, again I can check it out for you.
Mcneil gardens is a new one on me, cant say that I have heard that one.
Valoros was right about the COOP being in McNeil st
Bye for now, Norrie

Posted by: Allan D.Sim 9th Mar 2006, 02:26am

The huge bakery of UCWS was demolished in 1973. It occupied the block encompassing McNeil Street, Ballater Street, Adelphi Street and Moffat Street. It was built between 1896-1916. I do recall walking through Glasgow Green in November 1985, and seeing a red brick building across from St Andrews suspension bridge. It was worse for wear, but standing. Two months later, in January 1986, walking in Green again I heard a distant rumble. Sure enough, the building I got some shaky and unclear pictures of, was being demolished. It got me wondering, what was it? certainly looked big enough, but bakery was definitely demolished in 1973. only recall a date of 1928 on it.

Posted by: stratson 9th Mar 2006, 08:30pm

The houses you refer too, first tenants moved in 1927.
How I know this, my parents got offered there or Govanhill in 1927 from slum clearance of Jane Place in Pollok Street(a throughway) off Paisley Rd.
Co-incidentally I married a chap from Turnlaw St.



stratson

Posted by: Kate B 14th Mar 2006, 08:17pm

THANK YOU ALL!.

I'm doing my family history and found my g/mother worked at some bakery in McNeil Street, in the early 1900s, and in 1941 lived in Benthall Street. I thought she might have been in Benthall Street since they were built - now I can investigate further!

To Stratson: My Mum lived in Turnlaw Street, too, and later lived in the warden controlled flats in McNeil Street, on the very site where the bakery had been. Small world, eh?

Norrie 123: Keep asking!

Thanks again for all your help.

Posted by: norrie123 15th Mar 2006, 11:49am

Hi KateB, I will get on to it, Norrie

Posted by: agnesb 29th Jun 2006, 09:06pm

Hi KateB dont know if this will be of any help to you, on leaving School my first job was at the bakery in Mc Neil Street think it was no 12 Mc Neil Street it was called U.C.B.S. United Co-operative Baking Society and was nick named Uncles Cousins Brothers Sisters as a lot of workers were related to others smile.gif there were to parts to the bakery they also used building opposite and they had there own bakers shops as I also worked in there Parkhead Shop and helped out the odd day at there shop in Govan


I was born in the Gorbals myself in Nicholson Street

Agnesb

Posted by: norrie123 29th Jun 2006, 10:43pm

Hi Kateb, as far as I have been told, Benthall street was built between the wars.
Sorry thats the best I can do.
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: marina 2nd Jul 2006, 08:56pm

good luck kateb

i will ask my father in law if he knows anything he was born in kidston st in 1936 and was the youngest of his large family his oldest brother was about 20 years older than him, dont know if itll help though

Posted by: stratson 5th Jul 2006, 12:27am

Marina, what is your father-in-laws name, I knew lots of folk from Kidston St.
If you go back I made a post saying the houses referred to were built in 1927

Posted by: marina 5th Jul 2006, 12:27pm

hi stratson,

my dad in law is victor milligan, he is 70 years old

Posted by: Oorlassie 10th Jul 2006, 10:01pm

Hello...I knew the family called Plenderleith who lived in the Gorbals. I think there was 11 kids. Does anyone remember them? I guess the one I knew would have been born in 1949 or there aboots...

Posted by: stratson 11th Jul 2006, 12:50pm

Yes, I knew of the Plenderleith family.
The girl ages with myself who went to the"Diamonds" school of dancing and The Dixon Halls, I think her name was Susan,
she had long dark hair.A pretty girl.
She would have been around 16 years old in 1949.
Thimk they lived in Florence Street.

Posted by: jaybee 11th Jul 2006, 04:28pm

Stratson, we came from the same area, Crown Street facing Kidson Street, my gran lived on Lawmoor Street. You mention the Diamond School of Dancing, what kind of dancing Stratson?

Posted by: stratson 11th Jul 2006, 10:20pm

Ballroom dancing, quickstep, Waltz, Tango, Slow Fox Trot.
You were taught the basic steps, and old Joe Diamond would partner you off with some chap.
It was up a close next to the Palace Picture House, I loved the dancing. Old Joe wore a black velvet jacket, and his son also gave instructions.
Most southsiders did their first dance steps there.
I was 14 when I first went ther with all the Govanhill girls
Halcyon Days. biggrin.gif

Posted by: jaybee 13th Jul 2006, 11:13pm

Thank you Stratson. I have never heard of that School of Dancing. Too bad, I would have loved to go there. I loved going to St. Andrews Halls, the Plaza, the Locarno and the Dennison Palais. Would you believe I was never in Barrowland. There was one up in Govanhill too and I want to say it was called the Majestic but then there was a Majestic in town too, wasn't there? Jaybee

Posted by: George Muir 14th Jul 2006, 04:56am

Jaybee, regarding the Majestic in Govanhill it was a picture house. We lived across the road from it at the corner of Carfin/Inglefield streets. I can't say I can remember a dance hall in that area. I think the nearest one was the Plaza. I could be wrong of course, as I was very young then, 1944-50, and can't say what was there in the later years.

Posted by: jaybee 14th Jul 2006, 11:41am

Thanks George. I thought that it was a picture house turned into a dance hall - say around 1958-1960? Maybe I just thought that in my dreams....lol

Posted by: Guest 8th Aug 2006, 11:41am

The Majestic Picture House became The Melba Dance Hall,

Is now "Our Lady of Consolation " Chapel.

Remember queing on a Saturday with my brothers in th 30's
to see the matinee,
a jelly jar could gain you entry.
(Their was a halfpenny deposit on the jelly jar)
Oh halcyon days. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Lyon 17th Sep 2006, 12:22am

QUOTE (Kate B @ 25th Feb 2006, 12:04 AM)
Anyone out there know when McNeil Gardens, Turnlaw Street, Benthall Street, Waterside Street and Birch Street were built?  I  THINK it must've been after 1913/14?

Do you remember a biscuit factory in McNeil Street? Do you know what it was called?

I think i might be able to enlighten you on the biscuit factory, it was actually the S.C.W.S. bakery and across the street my cousin lived , she is now Canada.

I lived in 25 eglinton st.above the E.E, picture house.

cheers

Posted by: agnesb 21st Sep 2006, 09:09pm

When I worked in the Bakery it was called U.C.B.S.and had been that for lots of years, never heard of an S.C.W.S there. maybe in later years it changed but I remember the Bakery as U.C.B.S. and nothing else. could it be possible there was some other Bakery in another part of Mc Neil St ? that I didn't know about

Agnesb

Posted by: barb 13th May 2007, 07:02pm

Hello...
i was wondering if anyone knew a james or Jimmy Parker from gloucester street or a family Parker.. I am trying to trace the family..
barb in canada

Posted by: Robert Glen 21st Feb 2008, 10:58pm

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"(Kate B @ 24th Feb 2006, 10:54 PM) *
Anyone out there know when McNeil Gardens, Turnlaw Street, Benthall Street, Waterside Street and Birch Street were built? I THINK it must've been after 1913/14?

Do you remember a biscuit factory in McNeil Street? Do you know what it was called?[/quote]

Robert Glen 21/2/08 = I lived on the corner of UCBS with my Father Bobby and Mother Harriet in late 60's, my Mother came from a large family called Grassie,if anyone knows or remembers them it would be good to hear from you.

Posted by: Julz 24th May 2008, 12:08am

Hi

Could anyone with Gorbals knowledge help me out please? Is 145 Crown Street still standing?
Can anyone tell me if it is/was a tenement or a shop?

It's listed as the place of birth of my Great-Uncle James McCafferty in 1938 hence why I'm interested.

Thanks

Posted by: Louise McCafferty 30th Sep 2008, 10:41am

JULZ

I have McCafferty's That lived in Crown Street. A James McCafferty Bn 1885 Glasgow and Died 1945 at 366 Crown Street. James Married Annie Maiden Name Unknown and had Theresa, Owen, Lizzie and Nancy there is a son James McCafferty but I have no info on him. James would be the Uncle of my Partner Brian McCafferty. 145 Crown Street would have been a Tenement.

email me at shrewgirl1976@googlemail.com

Thanks Louise

Posted by: murn 30th Sep 2008, 07:28pm

QUOTE (Julz @ 23rd May 2008, 09:12pm) *
Hi

Could anyone with Gorbals knowledge help me out please? Is 145 Crown Street still standing?
Can anyone tell me if it is/was a tenement or a shop?

It's listed as the place of birth of my Great-Uncle James McCafferty in 1938 hence why I'm interested.

Thanks


Julz you should send a PM to Norrie123 he knows the Gorbals inside out wink.gif He will be able to tell you if it is still standing. Thou I doubt it.

Posted by: stratson 30th Sep 2008, 07:57pm

There are none of the old Crown St. buildings standing. smile.gif

Posted by: jaybee 30th Sep 2008, 10:35pm

I agree with Sratson, no old buildings left. I was born on Lawmoor Street but moved to Crown street while still an infant. My first visit back was 2002 - no buildings to be found but I did find the spot where the gushet was and the old Wynde Church. Also where Dixon's Blazes were. Jaybee

Posted by: Guest norrie123 * 1st Oct 2008, 01:20pm

Hi julz, thats correct nothing of old crown street is left.
I may well have a photos of your relations house as crown street is one othe s treets I have a lot of photo ofi
I am in Spain just now pm me to remind me to try to help
excuse the spelling they key baords her are a wee bit different, norrie

Posted by: norrie123 14th Oct 2008, 12:10pm

Hi julz, OK thats me home from Spain.
I have had a quick look, The Crown Cinema was on the same side of the road, its number was 163, so I will have a look at the maps I have and see where 145 was, then I will check if I have a photo of the tenemenet.
I may have to go to The Mitchell Library to check out some addresses.
Keep me in mind of this.
Bye for now, Norrie

Hi Murn? Nippy? thanks for pointing Julz in my direction

Posted by: norrie123 14th Oct 2008, 12:50pm

Hi julz, OK, I have checked my photos and maps.
I think the house you are looking for, was between Balatter st and Rutherglen rd
I have photos of Crown St but cant be sure of your house being on them.
However I do have an arial shot of Gorbals and that and the maps show that there were houses at that part of Crown st , any use to you?
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: Guest george * 7th Dec 2008, 02:28am

ma wifes granda wis called umy he was jewish and he was a tick tacker at the dog tracks he had a big family stayed in hospital street called davis..he was killed and robbed the roumour goes it was because he always had money on him from the track..

Posted by: pat wilband 13th Jan 2009, 12:32am

Hi , I`m writing from Canada -- trying to find anyone who knows of the Mulheron family who lived at 56 Johns street in Glasgow around the 1st war . James was a baker who may have worked at the Uccb that was mentioned before . He moved to canada and lived in St John New Brunswick . Joined the Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry and died in France (tilloy ) in 1918 .Can anyone help me ?

Posted by: seamus1954 7th Aug 2012, 12:43am

Old Gorbals , Hello everyone I would like to add my name and chime in to this topic .My Granmom Mary Long lived at 428 Rutherglen road and was a Confectioner , Although I am not sure where she worked ,She left Glasgow in 1925 at the age of 17 ,and Emmigrated to Phila Pa USA {Thank God because I would NOT be here if She didn't } so if she worked at the closest place I'm assuming it moght be the UNCOPB at MCNeil street ,it being the closest Although I'll never know for certain the Building looked impressive If anyone had anyone who knew Mary Long 17 in 1925 she was very tiny a WEE lass 4'8 it is dead end A Long shot at best BUT just maybe ????????? Sincerely Seamus

Posted by: phil 18th Sep 2012, 05:54pm

hi marina,i remember a victor mulligan from kidson street,in 1952 he worked in pooles the butchers in cathcart rd,i worked in the co-op butchers also in cathcart rd,george glen,cuthbertson,and jamesie carr,we all went to the couper institute dancing,vic had a pink suit with a black velvet collar. phil.

Posted by: Doug1 18th Sep 2012, 07:41pm

A wee bit off topic because I cant remember the street but when i was a young fella in the late 50's to early 60's i was taught drumming by a drum teacher in the Gorbals. His name was Lester Penman and he was a very famous musician who had played at the London Palladium. He was also a good friend of one of the greatest drummers of all times the legendary American Gene Krupa. I remember his flat was on the top storey and was huge with one room devoted to his drum teaching. I think his street ran parallel to Eglinton Street and I think there was a big cinema nearby where i got off either the tram or bus, cant remember which, but I do remember his flat was just a short walk away. Sorry for rambling on but it was a very happy time for me.

Posted by: stratson 10th Nov 2012, 09:05am

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 18th Sep 2012, 08:58pm) *
A wee bit off topic because I cant remember the street but when i was a young fella in the late 50's to early 60's i was taught drumming by a drum teacher in the Gorbals. His name was Lester Penman and he was a very famous musician who had played at the London Palladium. He was also a good friend of one of the greatest drummers of all times the legendary American Gene Krupa. I remember his flat was on the top storey and was huge with one room devoted to his drum teaching. I think his street ran parallel to Eglinton Street and I think there was a big cinema nearby where i got off either the tram or bus, cant remember which, but I do remember his flat was just a short walk away. Sorry for rambling on but it was a very happy time for me.


I seem to recall Penman family.from the 50's, don't know if the one you refer too.

They came from Abbotsford Place, it runs parallel with Eglinton Street, unsure.gif

Posted by: Lynne lees 2nd Mar 2014, 01:16pm

Hi everyone i just thought id invite you all to a great facebook page called OLD GORBALS PICTURES... nearly 3500 members its brilliant :-) also my Grandad worked in McNeil street UCBS..he was called Peter Taylor, he worked in the board wash i think :-)

Posted by: Doug1 23rd Sep 2014, 05:39pm

QUOTE (stratson @ 10th Nov 2012, 10:22am) *
I seem to recall Penman family.from the 50's, don't know if the one you refer too.

They came from Abbotsford Place, it runs parallel with Eglinton Street, unsure.gif


Hi Stratson

Funny old life but I was trolling through google earlier today looking for some info and was linked to one of my earlier GG posts to do with my old drum teacher Lester Penman. I then noticed you replied to my post but I it appears I didnt reply to you

The Penman I was taught by did live in Abbotsford Place in a very big flat which I think on the top floor as I recall. I have however no knowledge about Lesters family, in fact I dont remember ever meeting any of his family.

Posted by: CAT 25th Sep 2014, 10:09am

Does anyone remember McKay's a sweetie factory? My Mother worked there from when she left school at 14 around 1936 and was there for around 15 years. She loved it. She mentioned this last night and said it was a great job making hand made sweets.

Posted by: frank geary 25th Nov 2019, 04:12pm

Nice to see the mention of Lester Pennman in your pages. my Dad was taught by him way back and went on to be a World Champion dance band drummer.I am inamodel railway club in Glasgow and one of our members was also taught by Mr. Pennman , who was a bit strict going by some of the stories my Dad told me of him , but it seems to have worked. Sadly ,I have lost the photo I had of Lester.