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> Is The Union Already Lost?, Referendum: 18th September 2014
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post 9th Jan 2014, 08:32pm
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A general observation about this topic:

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post 9th Jan 2014, 08:34pm
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This is getting embarrassing to read. May I humbly suggest that you all cool down a bit.
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post 9th Jan 2014, 08:38pm
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QUOTE (angel @ 9th Jan 2014, 08:47pm) *
Och , never mind Dylan , it's par for the course on this thread , backed up against a wall , they revert to personal insults .


And being compared to Nazis and fascists is just jolly banter?
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post 9th Jan 2014, 08:39pm
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QUOTE (angel @ 9th Jan 2014, 08:47pm) *
Och , never mind Dylan , it's par for the course on this thread , backed up against a wall , they revert to personal insults .
It's just that I would like to hope , the mentality of some on this thread is not that of the voters in this referendum . because they would surely lose if they only want voters , "yes or no " ie 6'2'' plus" .


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post 9th Jan 2014, 08:46pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Jan 2014, 07:55pm) *
And being compared to Nazis and fascists is just jolly banter?


Give us a break . just more politicking from you ,
that 's your interpretation ,


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post 9th Jan 2014, 08:46pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th Jan 2014, 08:55pm) *
And being compared to Nazis and fascists is just jolly banter?


No it is not, which is why I took exception to being compared to the BNP.

Glad you finally caught on.


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post 9th Jan 2014, 09:01pm
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QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2014, 09:03pm) *
No it is not, which is why I took exception to being compared to the BNP.

Glad you finally caught on.


You clearly haven't caught on, you insult your opponents then try to make out that you are the injured party.

You don't have any shame, do you?
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post 9th Jan 2014, 09:04pm
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To further the point I raised above:
  • Think twice when replying if you are emotional as you are typing your message, as you will probably come across that way. Before you post your message, stop and think.
I'm going to close this topic for a while.

Please do not take this discussion into any other topics!

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post 9th Jan 2014, 11:28pm
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Aa an interlude: a patronising Jeremy Paxman interviewing Alex Salmond in 2012, possibly doing his part to ensure that the "Union is already lost"?



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*ann mcdonald*
post 10th Jan 2014, 02:49pm
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So "guvin jimm", you dont dispute the fact that the crown gave the scots their lost money back and that we scots did take part in forging the British empire thanks for that.
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post 13th Jan 2014, 03:04am
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QUOTE (ann mcdonald @ 10th Jan 2014, 03:06pm) *
So "guvin jimm", you dont dispute the fact that the crown gave the scots their lost money back and that we scots did take part in forging the British empire thanks for that.

I have already stated that your knowledge of the history of the act of Union is non existant. If you wish to make informed comments about the history of Scotland and events leading up to the Union including the subsequent economic conditions involved in the aftermath of that sorry imposition, I suggest you read the works of notable historians and not the facile arguments you preport to carry of any but fancifull and misleading anecdotes. I would also reccomend that you familiarise yourself with the "Act of Settlement" and the subsequent affirmation by Queen Anne, the last of the Stuarts, that upon her death the Scots would be free to choose their own monarch. It never happened
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post 13th Jan 2014, 05:13pm
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QUOTE (ann mcdonald @ 10th Jan 2014, 03:06pm) *
So "guvin jimm", you dont dispute the fact that the crown gave the scots their lost money back and that we scots did take part in forging the British empire thanks for that.


Ann, the Scots that you talk about were the Lords and Nobles that had lost their own money investing in the ill fated Darien scheme (the reason why it failed deserves a thread of it's own) the Scottish economy at that time was doing as well as any Northern European trading nation and had no need to be in a union with England.

The Scottish Lords and Nobles who were parliamentarians sold out their country for personal gain, as they had been threatening to default on the bills they owed to their mainly English creditors the English parliament (not the Crown) put a package of money and lands in England together (a bribe to commit treason on Scotland and her people) and with war looming between England and France, Westminster was determined to secure its northern border.

The infamous 'English gold' was sent north to the parcel of rouges as Burns so eloquently put it.

"We're bought and sold for English gold-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!"

You are correct Ann, Scots made fortunes out of the Empire just as there are Scots doing well under the union, you only have to look at the Scots in the House of Lords with their ermine robes.

But it's only in an independent Scotland that we will improve the lives of the ordinary people of Scotland.
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post 16th Jan 2014, 08:10pm
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I will probably vote No..first because I believe the SNP do not speak for the people, ie if the majority vote against it, then they will pass it (section 12 for example) their overiding green agenda where we pay millions of pounds to companies to turn off their turbines because no-one had the brains to build the infastructure to hold the excess electricity and Kenny McKaskill...'nuff said.

Can I also make a comment on Maggie regarding the dreaded poll tax. Think about it, you're wanting to try something out, where are you going to do it? Mmmm how about somewhere you have no MP's, somewhere if it doesn't work then it wont make a blind bit of difference to staying in government, somewhere that you can shaft the opposing party..
Where would you pick? No Brainer....Scotland.
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post 17th Jan 2014, 05:56pm
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QUOTE (*james1947* @ 16th Jan 2014, 08:27pm) *
I will probably vote No..first because I believe the SNP do not speak for the people, ie if the majority vote against it, then they will pass it (section 12 for example) their overiding green agenda where we pay millions of pounds to companies to turn off their turbines because no-one had the brains to build the infastructure to hold the excess electricity and Kenny McKaskill...'nuff said.

Can I also make a comment on Maggie regarding the dreaded poll tax. Think about it, you're wanting to try something out, where are you going to do it? Mmmm how about somewhere you have no MP's, somewhere if it doesn't work then it wont make a blind bit of difference to staying in government, somewhere that you can shaft the opposing party..
Where would you pick? No Brainer....Scotland.


The referendum is about Scotland making decisions for ourselves James not whether the SNP speaks for the people or not.

You are probably going to vote NO, so could tell me why you think giving the Tory party the green light to rule Scotland as they see fit is going to benefit the people of Scotland?

The only no brainer is to vote YES for Scotland.
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post 17th Jan 2014, 06:55pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 17th Jan 2014, 06:13pm) *
The referendum is about Scotland making decisions for ourselves James not whether the SNP speaks for the people or not.

You are probably going to vote NO, so could tell me why you think giving the Tory party the green light to rule Scotland as they see fit is going to benefit the people of Scotland?

The only no brainer is to vote YES for Scotland.



This is not a straight fight between the SNP and the Tories regardless what the SNP and Salmond say.

The people of Scotland have more sense.!


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