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Posted by: GG 27th Jul 2011, 08:38pm

Two Canadian tourists have vowed never to return to Glasgow following their treatment at the hands of the city's litter enforcement officers. Mr and Mrs Turner from Ontario have decided to stop their regular visits to the city after Mrs Turner was issued an on-the-spot fine of £100 for dropping a cigarette end in a street already littered by cigarette butts.

Mr Turner was so incensed by the conduct of the officers (whom Mrs Turner mistakingly assumed were police officers) that he wrote a letter to the Evening Times complaining about the treatment of his wife.

In the letter, Mr Turner complained that his wife, instead of being given a warning, had been treated as if she had committed a serious crime. Mr Turner also complained that the actions of the officers had tarnished the image of the city after his wife had been forced to produce her passport and other identification in a busy street.

One subsequent Evening Times' reader expressed dismay at the treatment of Mrs Turner, complaining that the Clean Glasgow enforcement officers had made him "embarrassed to be a Glaswegian". The reader also complained that the litter enforcement officers "are building a poor reputation for picking on easy targets and not the more blatant litter louts, groups of neds, and drunks".

Glasgow City Council launched its £4m Clean Glasgow campaign in 2007. The programme was spearheaded by former council chief, Steven Purcell, who claimed at the time that the aim of the campaign was to make Glasgow "the cleanest city in the world". Despite some marginal improvements, a Keep Scotland Beautiful report published earlier this year found that Glasgow still ranked below the Scottish average for cleanliness.


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Posted by: mlconnelly 27th Jul 2011, 08:57pm

Typical. Give them a wee bit of authority and they think they're god. Its things like this that gets the rest of us a bad name. mad.gif Mary

Posted by: *duinemor* 27th Jul 2011, 10:14pm

These guys should ply their craft at the Royal Hospital for Sick Children at Yorkhill. Always folk hanging about smoking - they seem oblivious to the signs prohibiting smoking on hospital grounds illustrated with pictures of kids with cancer. These smokers definitely deserve £100 fines.

Posted by: tarheels 27th Jul 2011, 10:17pm

i believe that the enforcement officers overreacted , speaking for myself not knowing the laws of Scotland's towns , or even my own town where i live here in Ojai calif. i want to see my town clean , so when i see a violator , i either get there car lic,. number an report it to the local police dept. if caught they receive a warning , the next time they receive a ticket .my opinion, clarence

Posted by: norrie123 27th Jul 2011, 10:26pm

Perhaps a warning would have been in order, seeing they were not from Glasgow
Mind you would they have thrown their butts away in there home town?
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: wazzer 27th Jul 2011, 10:40pm

mad.gif That's exactly why some of us don't still live there!

If not we'd be in England, London.

Should be a follow up to get this couple their cash back, they most probably look'd like tourist, soft spot target, these guy's are obviously waster's in the otherwise decent and forgiving weegies society in our home land.

Will most likely lose the job in a few week's anyway and back on the dole and spliff's all day long laughing at wat they got up 2, with the one and only job they probably will ever have.

They know if they'd stopped any of the young team they wold get their head kicked in, and trying it on a weggie drunk would only make him wet himself and tell you where to shove it...lol.

Spineless coward probably not even local !!!!!

Posted by: JohnTRobertson 27th Jul 2011, 10:49pm

Isn't capital punishment an option for litter bugs anymore?

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Posted by: Crewsy Fixer 27th Jul 2011, 10:50pm

Im not a litterer and frown upon littering, but I frown more on the Litter Police, its a shameful easy target for revenue gathering. I remember when the Evening Times published several pages of the names and addresses of people, who had been caught littering, under the headline of These Louts are Costing us 16 million ( the city's annual clean up bill).

Posted by: Plain Jane 27th Jul 2011, 10:56pm

Here Goes - second attempt at answering - Just to say that we attended the Merchant City festival on Saturday and apart from having a brilliant day out, we were pleasantly surprised at the the absence of litter - we took it that it was all

due to good organisation, but maybe it was the work of the jobsworths who were handing out the £100 fines! cool.gif

Posted by: wombat 27th Jul 2011, 10:57pm

tongue.gif nae wunner ah dont live in the city, wie aw this crap fer drappin a cigarette butt ,dont smoke cigarettes anymerr,when ah've been in the city seen people on thir teabreak ootside offices shops etc in groups , where they used tae smoke wan relaxed ciggie in the T room on thir 10 minute brekk they now smoke two in 10 minutes, aw this is gettin outta hand
whits next "FART POLICE"? mel gibson get a life m8 tongue.gif

Posted by: Plain Jane 27th Jul 2011, 11:01pm

Oops sorry about that - must do better. sad.gif

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Posted by: Isobel 27th Jul 2011, 11:11pm

I think a warning would have been fine in this case,however I have visited Glasgow many times and been blown away by the garbage. So it would be nice to see it cleaned up.If this ever happened the locals would have respect for their city and keep it clean.I love the idea I bet most Glaswegians want this also.

Posted by: rumcdonald 27th Jul 2011, 11:12pm

I hate litter louts, but a warning would have been enough in this case. The enforcers don't understand COMMON SENSE.

Posted by: hubert 27th Jul 2011, 11:21pm

Its one helluva addiction often fatal and imposed on innocent others often too.
The fine of 100 pounds is in order, you see the nicotine addicts rarely I have noticed consider those non smokers around them.
Just my opinion! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: *Eidas* 27th Jul 2011, 11:31pm

I'm sure this woman will never toss another butt in the wrong place, a warning wouldn't have had the same impact!

Posted by: *misterglasgow* 27th Jul 2011, 11:31pm

Can anyone tell me how much you get fined if you are the leader of the council and get caught snorting Cocaine ?

Posted by: glasgow lass 27th Jul 2011, 11:36pm

O' 100 pounds , that would hurt! But the law is the law.

Posted by: angel 27th Jul 2011, 11:50pm

I don't know if Ontario has a law regarding littering with dog ends
but you can be assured , that if there is a law the "criminal "would be given a warning.
Should'nt be smoking anyway ......

You would think that with all those 100 dollars on the spot fines being
dished out , surley there would be enough money to pay for the street clean-up.

Posted by: Guest 28th Jul 2011, 12:16am

We elect em, we gotta live with what they dish out.

Crap in, you get crap out, diffinently applies to most ciities fathers here in the USA, WOW look at our Washington DC talk about crap In!

Here in Henrico Virginia the cops are eager to shoot.

But our streets still are unsafe to walk, so few butts abound on the
ground.

I'll be careful in Glasgow in October, 100 pounds is a bit heavy, that's $200US.

Jerry


Posted by: wombat 28th Jul 2011, 12:25am

angel sed:You would think that with all those 100 dollars on the spot fines being
dished out , surley there would be enough money to pay for the street clean-up.

surely with todays technology we can invent a biodegradable filter?
problem sorted. what if yie smoke cigars ?dis that incur a fine as well since it is 100% organic material (rolled in leaf with no filter)??????
if winston churchill drapped a big cigar in the city wid the cooncil fine him ?NAW

Posted by: *klingon* 28th Jul 2011, 12:44am

Why not put ciggie bins on the lamposts as I've seen in the US?-the smoking nazis would have less to dig folks up about and mebbe they could hit the Glesga doos with £100 fines for crapping on the street!

Posted by: klingon 28th Jul 2011, 12:47am

QUOTE (glasgow lass @ 28th Jul 2011, 12:22am) *
O' 100 pounds , that would hurt! But the law is the law.

thats no law hen-it's just a cash generation scam by the cooncil-I got dug up for flicking the ash aff ma fag oot the window of my car!-Ford in their wisdom don't fit ashtrays any more to their motors! mad.gif

Posted by: Ian 28th Jul 2011, 01:18am

These days I live in Northern California, where the fine for littering (cigarette butts or otherwise) is a flat $1,000. Normally it's only imposed when the litter is thrown from a moving car, but I have no idea what percentage of the time anti-littering laws are enforced on pedestrians.
Whether in California or other countries, my experience has been that tourists tend to get off lightly when committing minor infractions unless the tourist (usually ably assisted by alcohol) decides to argue with or denigrate the officer.
Not having been back home to Glasgow for some time, I don't know the circumstances, but I find myself often in California cities thinking that there'd be fewer butts on the ground if there were a few ashtrays in busy shopping or entertainment districts.

Posted by: glasgow lass 28th Jul 2011, 01:28am

Hello Klingon, ciggy bins will just over flow like the very small trash bins that dont seem to get emptied regularly in Glasgow. Stop feeding the cooncil and quit smoking.

Posted by: Guest 28th Jul 2011, 02:11am

Of course common sense should prevail, a warning should have been
issued. Perhaps the Glasgow Council should be brought to task for not
giving proper training to the employees ie. council officers involved. I am sure that these employees have zero skills in how to be pleasant with
the public and still get the message across. The sad part about this case is
that 2 empoyees think they are policemen, I am sure that Glasgow Police
would have dealt with these tourists in a more congenial manner. It seems to me that Scotland and Glasgow must have a vibrant economy when they have so little thought for the manner in which they conduct their civic affairs. In the long run so many lose out for the stupidity of people who should never have been placed in council employment.

Unfortunately I do not believe that much will change in Glasgow unless the Glasgow people elect new councellors who are able to act 100% on behalf of the citizens and the wishes of the ratepayers.

Keep me posted as to how the officers are dealt with. !!!

Billy Gibson

PS. Born in Glasgow

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 28th Jul 2011, 02:13am

Mary and I had just visited Basel Zoo (10 minutes over the Swiss border) yesterday and although there's absolutely no "No smoking" signs anywhere there wasn't a single cigarette butt to be seen on the ground at all. This made Mary a bit anxious about lighting up ... she certainly forbade me to ... until we noticed that at every seating bank there was a litter bin complete with ash tray.
I can understand the feelings of the Canadian visitors to Glasgow. A polite warning would have sufficed. Demanding identification in the form of producing a passport is just too much "little corporal" for me ... and we know what they grow up to be. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: RobBob 28th Jul 2011, 04:14am

Why not turn the 4 million pounds into labour and pay someone to clean up the mess rather than pay someone to fine everyone. In Canada, we take pride in our cities and even though we come from all over the world our people learn that cleanliness is next to godliness. CLEAN IT UP or supply ashtrays on every corner....that's what I say.....do you expect the Turners to butt out their cirgarettes in their pockets.....and I can see now why Sir John A. Macdonald, Canada's first prime minister left Scotland if this is the kind of calibre of thinking that existed back then. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jupiter 28th Jul 2011, 04:49am

Do you commit an offence if you are unaware the action you took was an offence?I dont think so therefore I suggest the butt busters could have used a wee bit discretion with the tourist butt tossers,pointed out what was what and issued a word of warning.Its a shame that some people have left Glasgow with a negative feeling.
Can anyone tell me how these people operate? What happens if a butt tosser refuses to give the butt buster his name and address or gives false partics? Do they arrest you?
I seem to recall that as far as litter is concerned if a person drops,for example a cig packet in a public place,he would be given the opportunity to pick it up and dispose of it,only if he failed to do so would the offence be complete.
I wonder if the Canadian butt tossers were asked to pick up the offending butts by the butt busters?

Posted by: bilbo.s 28th Jul 2011, 06:22am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 28th Jul 2011, 07:35am) *
Do you commit an offence if you are unaware the action you took was an offence?I dont think so

Whatever happened to " Ignorance of the law is no defence" ? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: jimmyd 28th Jul 2011, 06:26am

A warning would have sufficed ... HOWEVER ! decent citizens do not litter , so it makes you wonder about the person complaining. If this fine stops her being a grub, then at least the warden has achieved something.. Go home and litter your own streets lady . !

Posted by: Jupiter 28th Jul 2011, 07:20am

Bilbo,if you were unaware that there was a bye law in force and contravened it then I would suggest you would have a good defence.

Posted by: chas1937 28th Jul 2011, 07:54am

Here in Corkerhill where there is a chidrens playpark,I'm fed up lifting up empty beer and spirit bottles that folk just throw away anywhere instead of 1 of the 5 litter bins.If these are left they get smashed and although police do chase them and pour out their drink that doesnt happen very often.There is also loads of cig butts lying where that have been so these so called Clean glasgow wardens should be having a look here

Posted by: GG 28th Jul 2011, 07:54am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 28th Jul 2011, 05:35am) *
Can anyone tell me how these people operate? What happens if a butt tosser refuses to give the butt buster his name and address or gives false partics? Do they arrest you?
I seem to recall that as far as litter is concerned if a person drops,for example a cig packet in a public place,he would be given the opportunity to pick it up and dispose of it,only if he failed to do so would the offence be complete.
I wonder if the Canadian butt tossers were asked to pick up the offending butts by the butt busters?

No, Jupiter, the litter enforcement officers are under strict instructions from their bosses that they should not give the alleged litterer the chance to pick up the cigarette butt to avoid a fine.

I've seen these guys (they are mostly male) in action many times and they act in a very abrupt manner, mostly, I think, because they want to get the individual's personal details before the (usually) cornered member of the public figures out the officers have no real powers. Anyone can simply refuse to give them any details and there is nothing they can do except call for police support. You can imagine how happy the police would be with that!

In my opinion, it's a very counter-productive situation. I've always believed that the money should be used to employ more street cleaners, in addition to having more bins.

The irony of this episode is that the leader of the council, who is ultimately responsible for the conduct of the officers, is also chairman of the city's tourist board. How's that for a potential conflict of interest?

GG.

Posted by: Jupiter 28th Jul 2011, 08:01am

GG,That is very interesting.On many occasions I came across minor litter offences(cig packs,cans etc) but I had the power in law to give the offender the chance to dispose of the litter legally.It was only if he refused would he then be reported to the PF and he usually got a warning letter.Im about to check the Litter Act.
Joop

Posted by: Negotiate Now 28th Jul 2011, 08:21am

I wonder how much authority these jobsworthies really have. What they could they do if anyone refused to pay? They have the power to give people fines but dropping a cigarette butt isn't really a criminal offence is it? I guess the uniform just scares people especially tourists who might think they are the Police or have the same powers. Does anyone know about this? It would be interesting to find out.

Posted by: George Brown 28th Jul 2011, 08:30am

My sympathies go with the tourists. Appreciating that the visitors may not be familiar with our local laws, a bit of diplomacy should have been applied, but then as regular visitors ?
I mildly wonder at how an instant fine is applied to someone with no permanent UK address, do these petty little dictators carry cash machines and reciept books about with them as well as cameras ?
If so, they obviously don't do much business otherwise one would expect to see them kitted out with little cash trolleys on tow.
I remember being stopped and asked by a tourist for directions in Argyle St when we were rudely interupted by one of those 'know all' indiividuals. As a 70year old Glaswegian I found his explanation incoherent and confusing, I just crept off.
We have so many clowns uniforns on the streets nowadays they run the risk of making a mockery of dedicated professionals.

Posted by: Melody 28th Jul 2011, 08:37am

There are far worse crimes than dropping litter surely? Do we want to live in a sterile empty city? This is surely a case of throwing the baby out with bath water. I thought that a friend of mine was once charged forty pounds for dropping a cigarette end in town, not one hundred. They don't half come up with some horrible ideas for making money. Yes, litter is a problem but it's wrong in my opinion to chase tourists away in an effort to keep the city clean and certainly does not reflect the attitude of the Glasgow people.
A warning would have quite adequately sufficed to anyone I feel.

Posted by: Jupiter 28th Jul 2011, 08:41am

George,Ive been having a wee look and it appears that you are issued with a fixed penalty notice giving you fourteen days to pay,so Id imagine if the tourist gave his address to the butt buster as,eg,10 High St Vancouver it would create a bit of an impasse because there would be a likliehood of the tourist would not pay.Interesting.

Posted by: greta 28th Jul 2011, 08:45am

I think this was way over the top and a warning would have been more in line. While I dont agree with littering anywhere and of course in my home town of Glasgow in particular. I know that some people when given authority can turn into right little hitlers (police included). There is also the fact that chewing gum on the pavements is far worse and more costly to clean up. People are always going to drop rubbish and it would be better to stay on top of this with more city council refuse staff. Incidentally I wonder how much of the £100 fine will go towards this ,if any.

Posted by: Terry Dunlop 28th Jul 2011, 09:06am

£6 fine would have sufficed the price of a packet of cigarettes.

Posted by: enrique 28th Jul 2011, 09:28am

I know its hard to take when you have been caught out , we all feel a bit stupid afterwards, in this case though being visitors to our shores a bit of common sense would have helped, i live in a town in the east of Scotland and we also have a large fine for dropping litter , on one occasion i saw a young mother with her baby in the pram being stopped in our shopping pedestrian precinct , she was being given an instant fine of £30, and while the community officer was writing out the fine , they were both nearly run over by a speeding cyclist , after the mother went away i asked the officer why she did not stop and fine the cyclist , she told me that although there are signs up in every entrance to the precinct, they were only advisory notices asking people not to cycle there and it was not possible to enforce it , whit a laugh, a tiny wee fag end £30 , for nearly getting injured nowt

Posted by: bilbo.s 28th Jul 2011, 09:41am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 28th Jul 2011, 10:06am) *
Bilbo,if you were unaware that there was a bye law in force and contravened it then I would suggest you would have a good defence.

I was under the impression that dropping litter was a criminal offence under the Environmental Protection Act 1990, and not just a matter for local bye-laws.

Posted by: Kerry Gill 28th Jul 2011, 09:42am

Typical. Hit a couple of smokers because they are an easy, and politically correct, target. Meanwhile, Glasgow must be one of the muckiest cities in Europe, or anywhere else, because of litter and general filth. Approaches, ie. roundabouts and junctions are virtual rubbish dumps. Vanmen and car drivers pull up and throw out their used drinks cans, coffee mugs, food packaging - a disgrace.

Posted by: auldbutcher 28th Jul 2011, 09:57am

I think a warning would have been enough in there circumstances But it there's wan thing that gets up my nose is the amount of litter and dogs dirt that fouls oor streets I have spoke aboot this afore on another site, this is a thing that i drummed intae my weans fae early on never throw anything on the street put it in yer pocket if theres nae litter bin and take it hame.

This seems tae be rampant in glesga the wife and I spent many great wee holidays in different parts o England ranging fae Scarborough on the north east tae Torquay in the south west and the thing that used tae strike us first thing on coming back either fae alighting fae bus or train and making oor wey through the city centre was the amount o rubbish o aw sorts littered o ower the streets .

I live 8 minutes walk fae Silverburn centre and go doon fer the shopping twice a week the amount o dugs dirt is eye wattering my latest count was 28 wee messages littered o ower the place, these carry o sorts o germs which are harmful especially tae young children and tae my mind a bloody disgrace.

Hang them ah say hang them highhhhhhh ,lol

Posted by: Plain Jane 28th Jul 2011, 10:43am

QUOTE (Plain Jane @ 27th Jul 2011, 11:47pm) *
Oops sorry about that - must do better. sad.gif

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Found it - thanks - promise to be more careful in the future mellow.gif

Posted by: Jupiter 28th Jul 2011, 10:47am

Bilbo you are absolutely correct.Legislation has changed dramatically since I was a lad!
Joop.
As another poster suggests there is a big problem with litter and dogs dirt.It is as though many people have no civic pride.
I saw a novel thing in Kyoto and it was myriads of small cans with a bit of string creating a handle and hanging from various things in the street and they were used extensively for cig butts.Simple but effective means of helping the environment.

Posted by: droschke7 28th Jul 2011, 11:06am

after googling this I found out that if the Canadian Lady had done the same thing at in Ontario she would had an on the spot fine of $C 110 and if she's done it from a moving car , would also have points put on to her license. so why are they so suprised and complaining thar they'll never come back? ar they not going home either? BTW the fine in California for the same offence is $500.

Posted by: d.c. 28th Jul 2011, 11:11am

I see these wardens in Glasgow city centre on an almost daily basis, and it is blatantly obvious that they only ever pick on easy targets, usually females. I have never yet seen them challenge a ned, who might stand up to them or probably just give them false details. If they see an appropriate looking victim coming towards them who has almost reached the end of their fag, they will allow that person to pass by before turning around and following them down the street to see if they might be lucky enough to catch them dropping the butt. If the person is brave enough to stand up to their bullying and aggressive attitude, pointing out the neds all around who are discarding butts, buckfast bottles, chewing gum, etc., they just call for back up from another pair of wardens until the victim is bullied into submission by all four of them. Yes, they have a job to do and we all want Glasgow to be a cleaner place, but they should be much fairer in how they choose and deal with their victims. They need to stop being cowardly in who they select, and stop being bullies once they have selected them. I wouldn't want to tar all of them with the same brush, but most of them just seem to be neds in uniforms.

Posted by: grannymo 28th Jul 2011, 11:25am

Visiting Erlangen, Germany, looked like a film set with no litter on the streets. Come lunchtime, everyone bought lunch from take-aways. End of lunchtime, no litter on the streets as young or old they dropped the takeaway containers/bags/etc straight in the litter bins.

Seeing completely clear and clean streets even after a lunchtime with crowds of schoolkids, office workers, local inhabitants all munching on kebabs, burgers, sandwiches yet no sign on the pavement to suggest there had been anyone there eating lunch left me feeling completely gobsmacked. Talking to the citizens there, they take a pride in their city and not just for its culture, heritage but also to the extent of keeping streets clean. Why can't we do the same? Glasgow is fond of promoting its own culture and history. Isn't it time we too, extended this to keeping our streets clean?

Posted by: stratson 28th Jul 2011, 11:51am

Personally I am sick of litter strewn streets. As far as this Mrs Turner was concerned, being a visitor to Glasgow, a warning would have been sufficient as she would possibly not be aware of law.

Just an afterthought, my Dad used to say, "Ladies do not smoke in the street." He died in 1956. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Dylan 28th Jul 2011, 11:56am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 28th Jul 2011, 08:06am) *
Bilbo,if you were unaware that there was a bye law in force and contravened it then I would suggest you would have a good defence.

Would the legal premise

" Ignorance of the law excuses no man "

not apply ?

I detest litter louts but a warning to a " Tourist" would have been appropriate .

Locals have no excuse.

Hang them.

Posted by: Elizabeth H 28th Jul 2011, 12:00pm

These people are obviously not doing the job they are employed for.

I visit Glasgow regularly, at all times of the day, and if they want to fine people they only have to visit the steps of the Glasgow Concert Hall which would make them a fortune for the Council by issuing fines to all the litter louts who sit on the stairs eating take away meals, then dump their litter where they sit. Not only is it a disgrace, it is an eyesore. I have never seen, nor heard of anyone approach them, to issue a fine.

I have overheard tourists remark on how badly kept such a beautiful area in central Glasgow is being destroyed by being covered with litter. My son's graduation was held in the Concert Hall which was early on a Saturday morning, the place was covered with food litter with pigeon's and sea gulls eating the remains, it was almost impossible to take photo's outside. By early afternoon Buchanan Street was packed with people and still no attempt had been made to clear the mess.

To the canadians, do not be put off by people whom authority has gone to their head, you should know if you visit Scotland regularly there are a lot of nice people amongst us.

Haste ye back!


Posted by: TeeHeeHee 28th Jul 2011, 12:04pm

Grannymo, I found that to be the norm in just about every German city and I first started to visit this country around '73. Unfortunately since the influx of the various east European nationals things have changed a bit - they obviously haven't been raised with the same respect for their surroundings. Having said that, the youth from the school across the road from us have been going "green" for a few years now ... they dump their plastic bottles, fag-packets and tetrapac containers in our three meter high hedge. rolleyes.gif
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, when Mary and I were at the Zoo in Basel yesterday we were reluctant to even light up because there was no indication that anyone was smoking there.
When in Rome ...
I imagine the Canadian visitors were just following suit on a littered Glasgow street.

Posted by: glasgow lass 28th Jul 2011, 12:24pm

Furst there was the complaint about too much trash lying on the streets of Glasgow, now the complaint of the butts lying around the streets.The only way people will pick up after themselves is when it hurts the pocket (tough love) and being fined the price of a packet of fags wont do it , warnings dont wurk so being hit with 100pounds fine will,,,, I mean do you want Glasgows streets clean or what !.

Posted by: Empty 28th Jul 2011, 12:25pm

I think we're in danger of missing the point here. She shouldn't have dropped the ciggie butt in the first place.

Posted by: Jupiter 28th Jul 2011, 12:48pm

Dylan you are correct,I got it wrong and was thinking about another legal term.
Cheers
Joop rolleyes.gif
Empty welcome to the boards....enjoy!

Posted by: gpn160 28th Jul 2011, 12:59pm

I see the results of the vote is in favour of a warning.

Littering is a deliberate act, not an accident. If the vistor/s parked their car and ended up with a parking ticket, would the be asking for a warning?

For littering, it has to be a fine, every time.


Posted by: proudmaryhiller 28th Jul 2011, 01:20pm

Here in Maryhill the litter problem is chronic, when I go out with my dog and come across any I'll pick up and dispose of it. I actually contacted the City Council about the litter in certain streets but I would have been as well to talk to the man in the moon rolleyes.gif

The Glasgow Evening Times is currently running a scheme "Streets Ahead" where communities can get together and clean up their areas, I would quite like to do this too, but getting volunteers together, well that's another story!

Posted by: dot21 28th Jul 2011, 02:11pm

I think a warning would have been acceptable, anyway don't people know you can buy small ashtrays, that fit into your bag or pocket so there is no need for butts to be thrown on the ground.

Posted by: frame 28th Jul 2011, 02:51pm

I think most of the comments made here are spot on. There's no unbiased consistency with these litter wardens. They probably have targets to adhere to and as such endeavor to fill them as quickly, and with as little risk to themselves as possible. One has only to look at any uk city street at any given time to know that people are dropping litter, either by accident or design. My feeling is that these champions of clean environments are looking for the safe options i.e. A couple of girls, a weak looking guy, an elderly couple or a woman with pram and walking children. And therein lies the complete criminal fraternity, in their feeble and shameful thinking anyway. The idea of keeping our cities litter free is a capital idea as long as the low foreheads and "hard men" are targeted too.

Posted by: Scunner 28th Jul 2011, 02:55pm

QUOTE (*Eidas* @ 28th Jul 2011, 12:17am) *
I'm sure this woman will never toss another butt in the wrong place, a warning wouldn't have had the same impact!

Which is good because where she comes from buts dropped in the wrong place causes grass fires every summer.

Posted by: Catarina 28th Jul 2011, 03:07pm

Sometimes all it takes is some sort of uniform to turn certain types of characters on a power trip.
On my many return trips to Glasgow, I have always been saddened by the amount of litter on the streets. While waiting for a bus on a recent visit,a young girl beside me threw her emply plastic cup to her feet,with a garbage bin plainly in sight. I politely asked her why not use the bin instead of littering...Her response...." Aye..A man is paid tae pick it up".

I do not condone what these folks did,but being tourists,I believe a warning would have been in order...City coffers gained a few quid,but lost much more in poor public relations.
As someone mentioned,if at all possible this couple should be contacted by the authorities concerned with a sincere apology. That's the Glasgow spirit I know and love.

Posted by: tarzan 28th Jul 2011, 03:08pm

Maybe if the lady took the same trouble over disposing her spittle drenched, disease sodden remnants as her husband does in complaining about being fined, she wouldn't have been fined in the first place.
The next time she visits perhaps she and her man would feel more welcome if they were allowed to bring their dug's sh*t over for dumping on Glasgow's streets.

Here's a tip (sic) for her and her outraged husband, whenever they go on holiday save all their dog-ends in a plastic bag and take them back home to dump on the the streets of Toronto, knowing how tolerant their fellow Canadians are of health threatening waste, I'm sure no one will be calling in the Mounties.

How much effort would it have taken to dispose of the litter properly?

Posted by: Rabbie 28th Jul 2011, 03:12pm

£100 fine, a let aff try that in Singapore!

When the deck is full of rubbish, feel free to use the bins.

The fine is in order as there is a real need to keep our enviroment clean. I object to the way they were treated by the litter enforcement nyaffs, obviously Toonehied school of breeze block tact and diplomacy trained. Hmm, what a meenit, wiz than no the same school ah went too?

An as fur them manky effers that dinnea clean up thurr dugs mess, dinnea get me stairted on that lot. I wid post it through thurr letterboxes in a lit envelope with the instructions, "Stamp to pit me oot!"

Posted by: Jim D 28th Jul 2011, 03:58pm

The wardens cover dropping of all types of litter, dog fouling, vehicles sitting at the kerb with their engine idling, drinking in the street, smoking in works vehicles etc.

The laws allows that you do not need to give the offender the chance to pick it up if it is obvious that the person has no intention of doing so i.e. dropping the litter and walking on.

When the current legislation came into force, a friend of mine, who owns premises in Byres road, was standing outside his premises having a cig. He dropped the cig at his feet and was approached by the wardens who issued him with a fixed penalty. He asked what he should to with the cigarette end and was advised to place it in the litter bin outside his premises. He pointed out that he was unsure that the advice was correct as it did not have the facility to stub out the cigarette. He also pointed out that there were a number of people drinking in the street nearby and noticed that they had taken no action against them, suggesting that the fact that he was dressed in a suit made him an easy target.

He then phoned Strathclyde Fire Brigade and sought advice regarding placing the cig in the litter bin. The confirmed to him that it was not good practice as it could cause the bin to go on fire. He passed this information on to Glasgow Council Environmental Services and asked them to comment on the advice.

Weeks later, he was in his premises when he saw a Glasgow Council Environmental Services van sitting at the kerb outside his shop. It sat their for 35 minutes with the engine running. He called Glasgow Council Environmental Services and informed them of this. He also informed named the 2 people in the van - the same ones who gave him the ticket. lol He supplied his details and asked them to call him back with the outcome. The outcome? A member of staff was issued with a ticket for allowing the van rngine to running unnecessarily.

Weeks later, another Glasgow Council Environmental Services van parked on double yellow lines outside his premises while the driver went into the nearby bookies! 20 minutes later, he again called their office, supplied his details and made them aware of the situation and asked for an update on their action. They got the hint.

He still smokes outside his premises but carried as small ashtray with him. The wardens do not pass his side of the street but pass on the other side instead! lol

As for the bin outside his premises? Whenever it regularly goes on fire due to people depositing lit cigarettes, he calls the Fire Brigade when previously he would have filled a bucket of water and doused it himself.

Posted by: ChristineSG 28th Jul 2011, 05:10pm

To drop cigarette ends or any other litter on our streets is criminal. Many shop and office doorways are littered with cigarette ends. Most smokers are happy to drop their butts where they have their last puff, disgusting! Perhaps £100 was a bit steep however, I'm sure it would not be tolerated in Ontario.

Posted by: angel 28th Jul 2011, 06:03pm

Levac also wants to amend the Highway Traffic Act to include cigarettes, cigar butts and cigars under the definition of highway litter.

A City of Toronto bylaw exists already to punish littering — and that includes cigarette butts — fining offenders $365.

Levac acknowledges existing laws are rarely enforced and he hopes that by increasing provincial fines, the bill will prompt more discussion of the problem and enforcement will intensify.

but this topic I understand is about showing common courtesy to visitors in one's country, not a slanging match about who has the cleanest house .




Posted by: *Angel Eyes* 28th Jul 2011, 07:44pm

Hi. I'm all for Glasgow bein' cleaned up but the 'paper hat, plastic badge' brigade run riot wi' what they think is their poor wee chance to shine! The number of times I've looked around in Glasgow to find a litter bin - NONE! Their abscence is more than a bit noticeable throughout the streets of Glasgow, and when you do eventually find one, it's always full! Could this be a clue for our Councillors perhaps? Why don't they get the ones who obviously keep spitting chewing gum out of their mouths - now that does cost us millions having to get super strong sprays to remove it from our pavements - I wouldn't mind seeing them fined.

Posted by: lenmar123 28th Jul 2011, 07:47pm

A warning was sufficient but remember its like a parking ticket once the attendant or police officer begins to write it out it is too late but the right of appeal should be there common sense must always prevail

Posted by: Hank Green 28th Jul 2011, 07:57pm

I am a regular visitor to the UK and Glasgow is among my favourite venues. I am also Canadian and visit many other countries being the beneficiary of a comfortable retirement. Wherever I am I like to consider myself to be the ambassodor who enacts respect for that country and its values and making sure that my own Canadian ethic prevails. Therefore I apologize for the rude and uncaring manners of my countrymen whose actions have given rise to this discussion. Whether it be a fine or a caution, their disgusting behaviour was noticed and responds badly on all other law abiding and decent Canadians. I am of the old school brought up to believe that when visiting a strangers home act as if visiting a palace. Manners and respect.

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Jul 2011, 09:18pm

I'll take a wild stab in the dark and suggest that these fag-butt Nazis picked on this lady because she looked like the type that would 1) have the money to pay, and 2) would pay.
I bet these wardens see dozens of neds daily throwing stuff around but haven't the balls to pull them up for it. Whole areas of Glasgow are an utter disgrace and yet Labour are wasting money on monitoring fag ends. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: jojax64 28th Jul 2011, 09:29pm

I voted for a warning. Very harsh to impose a fine in this manner. huh.gif

Posted by: Rab 28th Jul 2011, 09:32pm

When in Rome!

This country needs good litter enforcement. Our country lanes are a disgrace. Some people have no respect and deserve what they get. Having said that, common sense dictates a 'caution' in certain cases.

Posted by: glesgakeelie 28th Jul 2011, 09:53pm

Maybe a tenspot, a ton is out of order.

Posted by: GG 28th Jul 2011, 11:33pm

Let's hope it doesn't get this bad in Glasgow:

QUOTE
Litter wardens collect £35 for every fine they hand out

Wardens in one city are earning their employer £35 for every fine they dole out to those they see dropping litter.

The private company is paid on a commission-only basis by the council - and there is no limit to what it can earn.

Since the scheme was introduced last year, two wardens have raked in tens of thousands of pounds for the firm, called Xfor.

Critics last night described it as ' outrageous' and said it encouraged them to collar members of the public 'on the flimsiest evidence'.

Details of the scheme, which has been pioneered by Tory-run Peterborough City Council, emerged after the authority admitted handing out littering fines to 1,772 pedestrians last year, bringing a total of £62,020 in commission. ...

Full story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022831/Litter-wardens-collect-35-fine-hand-out.html#ixzz1TReT483x

(The photo looks like it's of Glasgow litter enforcement wardens, if I remember correctly!)

GG.

Posted by: tottie ann 28th Jul 2011, 11:35pm

this story reminded me of the time new litter laws came into effect my hubby and I had been out for an evening stroll and decided to buy some fish and chips I of course disposed of my paper in a waste basket but hubby being a football fanatic decided he would roll his into a ball and see how far he could kick it only to be nabbed by two plain clothes cops he later had to go to court and was fined two quid that was almost a weeks wages back then [fifty years ago]

Posted by: GG 28th Jul 2011, 11:38pm

Oh dear...

QUOTE
Swooper Neds 13 Jun 2011

The scruffy street-look, featuring tracksuits and hoodies, is one of several disguises now being used by the plain-clothes trash squads.

Waste chiefs at Glasgow City Council came up with the ruse - where enforcers also pose as businessmen - to boost the chances of collaring litter louts in the act.

Last night a source said: "They have been going out under cover recently to catch people.

"Some of the guys have been dressed like neds and go completely unnoticed - you don't expect someone in a shell-suit to give you a fine."

Our pictures show one warden in action wearing trackie bottoms, trainers and a hooded top. ...

Full story here:
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3633827/Litter-wardens-go-under-cover-to-catch-out-louts.html#ixzz1TRfmdLWM

This tactic quite clearly shows that the policy is one of maximum revenue, as opposed to deterrence.

GG.

Posted by: GG 29th Jul 2011, 12:03am

QUOTE (Hank Green @ 28th Jul 2011, 08:43pm) *
I am a regular visitor to the UK and Glasgow is among my favourite venues. I am also Canadian and visit many other countries being the beneficiary of a comfortable retirement. Wherever I am I like to consider myself to be the ambassodor who enacts respect for that country and its values and making sure that my own Canadian ethic prevails. Therefore I apologize for the rude and uncaring manners of my countrymen whose actions have given rise to this discussion. Whether it be a fine or a caution, their disgusting behaviour was noticed and responds badly on all other law abiding and decent Canadians. I am of the old school brought up to believe that when visiting a strangers home act as if visiting a palace. Manners and respect.

Thanks Hank. I am sure that the vast majority of Canadians behave in an exemplary manner when visiting Glasgow. I can only say that the woman's husband noted that the area where the woman was fined was already covered in discarded cigarette butts, which is not unfamiliar on Glasgow streets. As Rab mentions, perhaps she was abiding by a different travel philosophy: "When in Rome...".

GG.

Posted by: GG 29th Jul 2011, 12:04am

QUOTE (tottie ann @ 29th Jul 2011, 12:21am) *
this story reminded me of the time new litter laws came into effect my hubby and I had been out for an evening stroll and decided to buy some fish and chips I of course disposed of my paper in a waste basket but hubby being a football fanatic decided he would roll his into a ball and see how far he could kick it only to be nabbed by two plain clothes cops he later had to go to court and was fined two quid that was almost a weeks wages back then [fifty years ago]

smile.gif Pity he didn't aim for a bin ... I'm sure he would have got it in!

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 29th Jul 2011, 12:07am

Litter Warden!
Now there's a career for an otherwise no hoper to pursue.
Free Look of Authority uniform (looks good in the mirror image) in sizes small to medium and no experience or education neccessary.
Go on, give your mum a nice photo for her mantlepiece. tongue.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: glasgow lass 29th Jul 2011, 12:23am

I dont think that there is anythig wrong with being a litter warden,its a job and better to have it than be an unemployed litter bug I think.The disguise is rediculous tho. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Crewsy Fixer 29th Jul 2011, 12:30am

What I want to know is where do all the litterers get the litter from.

Posted by: Robert Stewart 29th Jul 2011, 12:37am

I just read on the Glasgow Guide website about the Canadian tourist being fined 100 pounds for throwing her cigarette butt on the ground. She should have got a warning.
Yes, they are 'mucking' with tourists, I was over in May, had a Great Time in the Hebrides, stayed the last night at Glasgow Airport Travelodge and RAMADA GAVE ME A 90 POUND FINE FOR PARKING AT TRAVELODGE! Hertz paid them from my car hire credit card. I was parked for about 20 minutes in a Travelodge parking spot before taking the car back to Hertz.
All of them deny responsibility and I'm at the point of contacting the Toronto Star. I would hate to do that as I just luv my native country. Can you imagine the fuss those two stories would cause?
I would contact the police about Ramada issuing that 'fine' but it probably is a 'civil matter'.
We won't be using any of those three companies on our trips throughout north America and Europe.

Posted by: Crewsy Fixer 29th Jul 2011, 12:50am

Hi Robert.

Money Money Money, its shameful. There was a time not so long ago when I thought about writing to the Council and saying here is my income can you please take what you need and give me the change.

Posted by: tamhickey 29th Jul 2011, 03:37am

It's way OTT to fine this woman the arbitrary fine of £100 for dropping a cigarette butt, especially given that they were both on holiday. I abhor littering but I do feel these "officers" could have asked the couple to stub he ciggie out in the nearest available place before waiting to impose their fine. Alas, it's only here to make money for the council. Had it been me, I would have refused, electing instead to apologise and agree to pick up the said cig ends and put them in the bin agreed with.
Otherwise, I would have told them to call the cops. You can imagine how well they would have reacted, especially given that there were many more cigarette ends strewn around the same area. Somehow, I can't see CSI getting involved with this.

Posted by: Jupiter 29th Jul 2011, 04:54am

Tam as you will be aware Im not one for breaking he law.In this instance the lady was given a fixed penalty notice giving her 14 days to pay.I understand she is a tourist from Canada which means inevitablly no action would be taken to recover the fine should be default.
Or maybe they would call in the mounties!

Posted by: Ash Tray 29th Jul 2011, 08:21am

Two litter louts will not be visiting Glasgow in the future, good. Why should you and I pay council tax to clean up after people who treat our city's streets like a trash can or ashtray? If they want to make a mess, do it in their own town. If they can show an ounce of respect for they are visiting, welcome to Glasgow.

Also, a warning, why? They are grown ups, they are fully aware that litter is anti-social and does not pick itself up. A warning would not be telling them anything they did not know already.

By all means, go easy on these people if you want to live in a tip.

Posted by: d.c. 29th Jul 2011, 09:24am

QUOTE
Swooper Neds 13 Jun 2011

The scruffy street-look, featuring tracksuits and hoodies, is one of several disguises now being used by the plain-clothes trash squads.

Last night a source said: "They have been going out under cover recently to catch people.

"Some of the guys have been dressed like neds and go completely unnoticed - you don't expect someone in a shell-suit to give you a fine."

Is it really a disguise and undercover operation, or just confirmation that they are employing neds but don't give them a uniform until they have proved their worth at fining tourists, sole females, pensioners, and just about any vulnerable person. Fellow neds are obviously exempt.

Posted by: droschke7 29th Jul 2011, 12:23pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 28th Jul 2011, 11:04pm) *
I'll take a wild stab in the dark and suggest that these fag-butt Nazis picked on this lady because she looked like the type that would 1) have the money to pay, and 2) would pay.
I bet these wardens see dozens of neds daily throwing stuff around but haven't the balls to pull them up for it. Whole areas of Glasgow are an utter disgrace and yet Labour are wasting money on monitoring fag ends. rolleyes.gif

Fag Butt Nazi's? Bit harsh isn't it? I suffer from COPD from years of livingt with a wife and after that various girlfriends who smoked. Even walking down the street , when some up wind from me is smoking I get asthma attacks etc. all that just because people are too selfish to realise the damage they are causing to themselves and Passive smokers who just happen to be in the same street. Am I expected to stay at home just so that these sellfish B's can smoke in Public? Even that doesn't work because when people walk past my window and are smoking I still end up breathing in their second hand poison. Fag Butt Nazi's My Ar**

Posted by: Jim D 29th Jul 2011, 01:54pm

QUOTE (Ash Tray @ 29th Jul 2011, 10:07am) *
Two litter louts will not be visiting Glasgow in the future, good. Why should you and I pay council tax to clean up after people who treat our city's streets like a trash can or ashtray? If they want to make a mess, do it in their own town. If they can show an ounce of respect for they are visiting, welcome to Glasgow.

Also, a warning, why? They are grown ups, they are fully aware that litter is anti-social and does not pick itself up. A warning would not be telling them anything they did not know already.

By all means, go easy on these people if you want to live in a tip.

The tourist is hardly the main problem, the local inhabitants are the problem! The cigarette butt is less unsightly than the fast food containers, crisp packets, plastic cups.

Posted by: Gee 29th Jul 2011, 06:37pm

A warning would have been enough. Here in Lancashire one of these 'jobsworths' made their council a laughing stock (plus getting backsides kicked) for fining a woman £70.00 for 'flicking'.

In case you might think this is some strange, kinky perversion... Yeah! She flicked the ash off her ciggie whilst smoking in the street (but put the butt in the ciggie bin!)

Mmm... perhaps we dirty old smokers might soon find ourselves being bludgeoned with batons (and fined) should we look like we need a fix!

Quick edit! Just want to add I am VERY anti litter. I'm the nutty old woman who tells you off for chucking your wrappers and fast food junk on the pavement!

Posted by: Chrissie 30th Jul 2011, 05:42am

Obviously this tourist should have been given a warning. My ma used to say when I was wee and our neighbour used to strut around in his corporation greens after he got a job as a conductor on the trans, "put a uniform on some people and they think they're generals."

One thing though; I bet this woman doesn't discard her butts on the ground at home. Canada is one of the cleanest places I've ever been in. Maybe all the folks who discarded the other butts got tickets too. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: farci 30th Jul 2011, 11:21am

Seen on a recent trip to Gothenburg, Sweden an eight foot high transparent column beside a cycle lane in the city centre, half full of fag ends reading:

"... or cycle lanes throughout the city?
50% of all litter in Gothenburg is cigarette ends.
It costs millions every year to pick them up. Money that could be put to better use - your health for example"



Posted by: GG 30th Jul 2011, 11:48am

Brilliant, farci ... now that is creative social advertising!

GG.

Posted by: Ray 30th Jul 2011, 12:38pm

Yes I think £100 is excessive, you can clean up cigarette butts fairly easily, but try cleaning up chewing gum so, stick it to those suckers!

Posted by: Dave Grieve 30th Jul 2011, 03:12pm

QUOTE (Ray @ 30th Jul 2011, 02:24pm) *
Yes I think £100 is excessive, you can clean up cigarette butts fairly easily, but try cleaning up chewing gum so, stick it to those suckers!

Very easy to clean up chewing gum Ray, we have a steam cleaner that will dissolve gum in seconds, no matter how long it has been on the ground or wall.

Posted by: wombat 30th Jul 2011, 10:17pm

ennywan noticed the more power "the establishment" gets ,the less rights/freedoms we have, or am ah imagining it aw? gettin stalked by butt inspectors isny the begginigs of a nice day out in the city for anyone, esp tourists,aw ower a cigarette butt , same pathetic crap ower here

Posted by: Melody 31st Jul 2011, 09:24am

Your so right Wombat. It's quite funny really and also very clever how they turn, 'We've no money for cleaning the streets', into, ' We'll charge you £100 for dropping litter'. Not only that but they manage to have us all at odds with one another. Are we really at the top of the food chain amongst living creatures? laugh.gif Maybe they won't let us out of the house next. laugh.gif We are so stupid we take it all in too. They've got people who are in work doing the work of three people these days and huge unemployment at the same time. Is this litter business really what we should be fighting or worrying about? Oh it's great life if ye don't weaken. laugh.gif

Posted by: Gemini 31st Jul 2011, 04:37pm

I voted for a warning re. Mrs Turner, and I agree with a lot of what is posted I was a smoker and growing up in Glasgow I never smoked when walking outside as it wasn't ladylike back then , and referring to Klingons post #22, my car also came without ashtrays and I bought a beanbag for the car as I never flicked ash or threw a butt out the window, I also agree with the posters who wrote about the dogs dirt, over here anytime I walked my dog I carried a plastic bag to pick up after my dog and disposed of it when I got home, then we come to gum, ugh, butts are easy to sweep up but try scraping gum off your shoes, and I would also like to mention the colourful norforms constantly used, f this and f that my gosh my mother would have killed us if we used that kind of language I remember getting smacked across the mouth because I used the word bl***y ohmy.gif
changed times we are living in.

Posted by: wombat 31st Jul 2011, 10:50pm

yet in oz bloody as a word is used tae greet wan another?

"hey ya bloody ratbag how ya been"or "how ya goin ya old b*****d"?

when in rome eh!? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: angel 1st Aug 2011, 01:11am

Impacts of Butt Littering
Cigarette butt littering has an environmental, economic and social impact on the community. Of these, the most pronounced is the impact that butts have on our environment.

Environmental Impact
Probably the greatest myth surrounding cigarette butt littering is that because butts are so small, they are relatively harmless.

Coupled with the idea that filters are made of cotton and decompose easily, butts are rarely seen as what they really are – a serious environmental hazard.

The composition of cigarette butts is largely misunderstood. Each butt contains remnants of tobacco and paper, as well as the filter. Filters may look like cotton, but they are actually made of plastic filaments. These are made from a type of plastic called cellulose acetate, which degrades very slowly – anywhere between 2 months and 15 years, depending on exposure to air and water.

Cigarette filters are specifically designed to accumulate particulate smoke components, including toxic chemicals such as cadmium, lead, arsenic and zinc. Littered butts leach these chemicals as they decompose, contributing to soil and water pollution and impacting on wildlife habitat.

It is estimated that around one in ten cigarette butts ends up in our rivers, bays and waterways. Being little and lightweight, they are easily carried into our waterways.

Cigarette filters have been found in the stomachs of fish, birds, whales and other animals who mistake them for food, instead swallowing harmful plastic and toxic chemicals.

Social Impact
The impacts of cigarette littering in a social context are widely varied. For example:


Posted by: elaine24 1st Aug 2011, 11:40pm

Very unfortunate treatment of this couple - these people have had no training on how to deal with the public in an appropriate manner. However, I must say this, Glasgow is very dirty and full of ignoramus idiots who think that the street is their litter bin! What does it take to clean up this wonderful town and make us proud of it?

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 2nd Aug 2011, 12:03am

The thing that amazes me about all this is that when I came over to Glasgow (on that great TeeHee's Trip tongue.gif ) my big German mate Kriss and I found it to be exceptionally clean at that time ... have things changed that much in 2 years - or had the road sweepers just done their rounds before we arrived? biggrin.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: zascot 2nd Aug 2011, 06:06am

They proably got wind of your royal visit beforehand THH and spruced up the city accordingly. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Melody 2nd Aug 2011, 08:41am

Och ah don't want to live in a sanitized place with no freedom where every move of a person is observed. I'd rather have a wee bit of a mess and happy free human beings. It's a living breathing city with human beings being human beings. smile.gif They throw the baby out with the bath water as usual. They weren't so worried about cleanliness and health when they threw workers into the old slums.

Posted by: ashfield 2nd Aug 2011, 08:59am

I am really astounded at the dogs abuse posters on here are giving the wardens, are they not just doing the job they are paid for. Do you honestly think these guys are doing the work as their career choice? If you think they are not neccessary then blame their employers and give the guys a break.

The notion that "forigners" should be let off for not knowing the law is intriguing, why not give them a warning for speeding, shoplifting, maybe a bit of GBH (ok I'm kidding right) rolleyes.gif When I saw this guys letter in the newspaper whining about how he and his wife had been treated for littering and saying he would not come back, I wondered what his motive was. He clearly has engendered some sympathy here.

What I can't understand is the number of folk complaining about the litter problem but also think a warning to offenders will stop it happening. Any day of the week you will see roadsweepers working around the city centre, but there is only so many streets they can clean at any one time. For me the answer is zero tolerance to littering so I think the fine was........fine rolleyes.gif

Posted by: wiznayme 2nd Aug 2011, 09:23am

Dropping litter is dropping litter no matter where you are in the world, on vacation or not, obviously the couple have shown no respect for their hosts yet expect those same hosts to bend over backwards to accommodate their ignorance, fraid not! I wouldn`t dump my garbage in their city I dont see why they should feel comfortable dumping theirs in mine.

Posted by: bilbo.s 2nd Aug 2011, 09:28am

Litter louts are vermin. mad.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 2nd Aug 2011, 11:55am

Litter vermin are louts? biggrin.gif
I was sat at traffic lights one time in a German town and eating an apple then rolled down my window (right hand drive) to drop the core on the ground. The guy on my inside lane (left hand drive) tooted his hooter to get my attention then fired off a tirade about you engländer soiling our streets.
While my English mates wanted to get out and put his windows in I sat there quite shamed for although his attitude was verging on the suicidal, I knew he was right. wub.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 2nd Aug 2011, 12:13pm

I know its nothing to do with cigarette buts being dropped.
But the best thing that happened here from an anti littering point of view was the outlawing of free plastic bags from the supermarkets.
Before they were stopped the plastic bags were known as SA's national flower as they seemed to be everywhere you looked, lying in the streets, stuck to fences and just blowing in the wind.
Now that people have to pay for them you hardly see a bag anywhere.

Posted by: angel 2nd Aug 2011, 12:58pm

Same here Dave , we pay for our plastic grocery bags , but most shoppers now use their own .
Regarding the litter ,including butt ends , maybe if we all turn a blind eye to the problem , who knows ! ," it just might disappear " sad.gif sad.gif

Posted by: Heather 2nd Aug 2011, 01:16pm

Morrisons still give free plastic bags to shoppers.

Posted by: d.c. 2nd Aug 2011, 04:38pm

I have just been hearing that weekly household refuse collections will end in Glasgow in a few weeks time, being replaced with fortnightly collections instead. Something tells me that the litter/rubbish problem is about to get a whole lot worse.

Posted by: Michael Docherty 3rd Aug 2011, 08:06am

Overlegislation is a massive pain in the bollocks no matter where you are but the last time I was back in the Old Country I recall coming out of the Subway on Argyle St and basically having to hopscotch across a landscape of bums, incoherent, slobbering winos and the ubiquitous sea of dog-turds (at least I assume they originated from dogs) in my journey from point A to point B (about 3 blocks) so the 'cigarette butt' incident came as a bit of a surprise. I'll give the city the benefit of the doubt and assume it has changed a lot in the 18 years since my last visit.
According to the previous posts these 'Butt Patrol' officers are not actually cops [...] but when an ID Card enters the equation an ugly metamorphosis occurs regardless of where they may be on the planet.
One previous poster - 'Unpacking' Ian from Northern California quoted a figure of $100 for tossing anything from a moving vehicle which, in itself is not the worst law you could have but the 'Butt' incident is a blatant example of local Government turning into what has become known as 'Ticket Whores'.
I live a couple of hundred miles South of Ian in a town that once had the reputation of being home to the best Police Department in the Nation but the necessity to generate revenue has made an unbelievable difference.
The demonizing of all things tobacco-related has created new rules re. smoking in public - 15 feet between the smoker and any place of business which means you would literally have to stand in the middle of traffic to smoke (which would get you busted to the tune of $179 for Jaywalking) and more recently a new law was passed basically making it illegal to smoke in your own home if you live in rented property and not too far off is a similar law regarding the same heinous activity within the walls of your own bought-and-paid-for property if someone in your household complains...
There is no shortage of public trashcans or enormous ashtrays so there is no excuse to throw butts or other crap onto the street but there is a remedy for those who do and it comes under the heading of 'Community Service'. Little and not-so-little twerps or 'neds' wind up avoiding jailtime for vandalism or public drunkenness by being decked out in glowing orange overalls and forced by court order to wield a broom and a bucket and sweep the streets (usually a 40-hour penance). This rarely works when the individual happens to be a celebrity as I have yet to witness Lindsey Lohan with a broom in her hand although I doubt if she would know which end of the thing to use.
The cops here tend to cut tourists a fair bit of slack and will rarely waste their time writing tickets for the obvious reason that said tourist will be a mere memory by the time payment is due. The 'On the Spot' fine is news to me.
I can't help but wonder how Gung Ho the 'Butt Brigade' would have been if the Canadian lady had told these bold Defenders of the Realm to go f#^k themselves - Then again, why bother chasing down muggers, rapists and murderers when there are a couple of gullible, elderly tourists with (hopefully) a wad of Travelers' Checks to be had?

Posted by: angel 3rd Aug 2011, 01:58pm

Tam as you will be aware Im not one for breaking he law.In this instance the lady was given a fixed penalty notice giving her 14 days to pay.I understand she is a tourist from Canada which means inevitablly no action would be taken to recover the fine should be default.
Or maybe they would call in the mounties .

.............................................

I got into a conversation last night over this incident and I was wondering , should this couple not pay the fine , would that impede their travels to other countries , assuming that the fine had been issued in the first place by a person who represents the law of the land .

Posted by: Isobel 3rd Aug 2011, 08:08pm

DC. Where we are we have food , paper,cans and bottles, collected once a week the other garbage is picked up every two weeks. It works out well.

Posted by: wombat 4th Aug 2011, 12:08am

rolleyes.gif headlines in a local nooz paper

"becoming offensive"??????????????????????????????????????????


 

Posted by: Gemini 4th Aug 2011, 01:48pm

Isobel we too here in NJ recycle, paper, cans, and plastic are collected every two weeks household garbage every week but d.c. may have a point we used to have twice a year what they called refuse pickup which meant any big items like sofas mattresses and so on. plus any garbage laying around the yard like wood. tree limbs. etc was picked up by our local township maintenance men well they stopped that and now we have to pay someone to come and pick this stuff up if you can get it out front by the road. now what do you see is garbage piling up in peoples yards which causes rodents we have complained to the mayor about it but you might as well talk to the wall.

Posted by: wellfield 5th Aug 2011, 03:17am

We are given three 50 gallon recycle containers on wheels..garbage/paper and cardboard/and metal,aluminum,glass...to get rid of larger objects(fridge/couch/ we call the same company,and in two days they'll pick that up...two days after garbage day the street sweeper comes....if you leave any of your containers out front of your house you recieve a warning citation..the fine here for littering is $1,000 U.S...you very seldom see trash here....and on weekends they use people convicted of lesser crimes to walk the sides of freeways to pick up litter...I must admit I was surprised to see many British cities with litter all over the place.

Posted by: andyguinness 5th Aug 2011, 01:27pm

Would they pick on the people smoking outside pubs and clubs and the ones coming from football

Posted by: Jim D 5th Aug 2011, 01:37pm

QUOTE (d.c. @ 2nd Aug 2011, 06:24pm) *
I have just been hearing that weekly household refuse collections will end in Glasgow in a few weeks time, being replaced with fortnightly collections instead. Something tells me that the litter/rubbish problem is about to get a whole lot worse.

I stay down at the "tail of the bank" and the wheelie bins get collected every week - one week its normal refuse, the next week it's paper/plastic etc and garden refuse. We have 3 wheelie bins!

Posted by: d.c. 5th Aug 2011, 10:31pm

QUOTE (andyguinness @ 5th Aug 2011, 02:13pm) *
Would they pick on the people smoking outside pubs and clubs and the ones coming from football

I have been paying particular attention this week, because of this topic. I only ever saw them stopping lone females, four of them almost had one in tears today in Argyle Street. But she had stubbed out a butt before nipping into a shop. They all waited outside to nab her when she came out. It wouldn't have mattered if men had been dropping butts or spitting out chewing gum all around them, they were determined they were going to get her. It probably needed four them so they could watch both doors of the shop.

Posted by: d.c. 5th Aug 2011, 10:38pm

QUOTE
I stay down at the "tail of the bank" and the wheelie bins get collected every week - one week its normal refuse, the next week it's paper/plastic etc and garden refuse. We have 3 wheelie bins!


We had a taster of fortnightly collections when the winter weather was really bad and the trucks were off the road. It just isn't enough for blocks of flats, bins quickly fill up and overflow. And more bins may not be the answer, some households already have five each. I passed a small complex with just four flats the other day, and they had 20 large wheelie bins lying outside the door. The bin shed is only designed for storing bin bags, the access isn't wide enough for a wheelie.

Posted by: proudmaryhiller 5th Aug 2011, 11:06pm

I hope they keep to the weekly uplift for garbage, and they also come twice a month to empty the blue bin for recycling.

Regarding the ciggies,they should pay a wee visit to Maryhill you need a gas mask it's disgusting the litter and fag ends is absolutely chronic, the place is slowly turning into a midden.

Posted by: mitchell 5th Aug 2011, 11:56pm

QUOTE (proudmaryhiller @ 6th Aug 2011, 12:52am) *
Regarding the ciggies,they should pay a wee visit to Maryhill you need a gas mask it's disgusting the litter and fag ends is absolutely chronic, the place is slowly turning into a midden.


Dae they still have the lucky ones around Oban drive and area? wink.gif

Posted by: angel 6th Aug 2011, 12:09am

the garbage pickup here where I live is every week ,
we must seperate it , newspapers , Magazines, and other paper products
in one container , another container for cans , plastic bottles and glass bottles , another for yard / garden refuse, branches twigs and boughs from trees must be the stipulated length or it does'nt get picked up ,
the same rule applies to all the garbage , if it is considered to heavy
it is tagged and left by the sidewalk for you to pickup and sort out , we also keep our own sidewalks clean .
I forgot , we also hava a bin that is used for the waste that come from your meals and the preparation of your food .
About other types of garbage , like old furniture , blinds ,carpeting this is also picked up as long as you give the garbage collection at least two days notice but of course there is other garbage that you must pay to be taken away.
Our garbage collection is contracted out by the city to a private company
and this has been for a long time now , but it all seems to be working very well .


Posted by: tamhickey 6th Aug 2011, 04:11am

I live in a tenement flat and as you can imagine, the bins NEED emptied on a weekly basis as they're overflowing. The idea of fortnightly collections conjures up the idea of rodents eventually making their mark here and I worry about the diseases they carry too. I don't think it's too much to ask that our rubbish is taken away once a week, especially since it used to happen every day. What next? Once a month?

Posted by: Melody 6th Aug 2011, 07:13am

I wonder when we'll get some normal sensible person in government or leading the councils? mellow.gif Can ye think of anybody?

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th Aug 2011, 12:04pm

Seems to me as if it's the councilors who need to be binned. rolleyes.gif
Over here our bins (60 liter volume and bar-coded) are emptied weekly at a charge of ¤2.60. Re-cycled rubbish goes in yellow sacks which cost about ¤2.50 a roll - these are picked up about once a month - the sacks are see-through plastic so if there's anything in there which shouldn't be, they are tagged and left behind.
Glass is taken to locally situated metal bottle-banks with one container each for green, brown or white glass and not to be used after 8 pm so that there is no disturbance for those living near containers.
Practically every supermarket has a collection bin for old clothes and shoes (tied in pairs please wink.gif )
A couple of times a year there are collections for metal or wood or electrical rubbish which must be left outside your gate.
The wood should not be longer than 2 meters and have no metal parts attatched as it is shredded and recycled.
Garden refuse must be taken to one of several depots in the region where good compost can be cheaply bought.
After Christmas a shredder is brought to a location where Christmas trees can be reduced to mulch.
Usually when furniture is put out on the street for collection we get guys come over from France with their wagons to pick up the decent stuff to put on Flea markets. Someone drives through first and identifies the good stuff.

The household rubbish, BTW, is taken straight over to Basel (Switzerland) where they have a huge incinerater.
So, all in all, a very sensible solution to waste dispersal.

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th Aug 2011, 01:08pm

Here in sunny Spain, we do not have household bins, but communal ones. One for glass, one for plastic, tins & tetra-cartons, one for paper and cardboard The main ones for everything organic are either housed in brick sheds or are underground in the centre of town with only a discreet stainlees steel cover visible.

Refuse collection is done through the night - EVERY NIGHT. Glass etc containers are emptied at least once a week.

At present we pay ¤34,83 a quarter (2,68 a week). There is a depot in town for large electrical items - still looking for it as I have an old cooker to dispose of.

Litter is a problem here but all streets are regularly swept by an army of unemployed - I even saw one the other day digging up weeds from the kerb. The Spanish are very house-proud and this extends to the pavements, which are swept and mopped constantly.

Posted by: angel 6th Aug 2011, 01:15pm


the sacks are see-through plastic so if there's anything in there which shouldn't be, they are tagged and left behind.......
Same here Tomi .



After Christmas a shredder is brought to a location where Christmas trees
can be reduced to mulch.
....... Tomi , here it is a special pickup.

Usually when furniture is put out on the street for collection we get guys come over from France with their wagons to pick up the decent stuff to put on Flea markets. Someone drives through first and identifies the good stuff.

Tomi , sometimes in this town , those guys will knock on your door and ask if it is ok to take the stuff. ...I think a great way to recycle smile.gif

Practically every supermarket has a collection bin for old clothes and shoes (tied in pairs please )

Tomi once again , the same here .

Tomi , we all of us create our own garbage and it is our responsibility
to see that we adhere to the enviromental laws of our towns and cities ,
The apartment buildings here , have a caretaker / superintendent , who will /does look after the maintenance of the place inside and out and sweeps away those filthy cig. butts. sad.gif . I know your a smoker but I know that you take your but ends home with you. cool.gif




Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th Aug 2011, 03:44pm

QUOTE
Tomi , sometimes in this town , those guys will knock on your door and ask if it is ok to take the stuff. ...I think a great way to recycle biggrin.gif

Did it myself when I first lived here. wink.gif
Saw this guy putting a beautiful solid wood wall cupboard (already dismantled) out onto the street one evening and asked about it. He said I could take it and when I picked up as many panels as I could carry he asked me how far I intended lugging it. "Just as far as the railway station there," says I pointing to where I lived up in the attic. So he helped me carry it all back - only about 200 metres. When we got up the three flights of stairs and into the attic dwelling he said, "It's way too big for this room." I told him I wasn't going to erect it as a cupboard but convert it into a king-sized bed.
His wife had had it replaced and it was the finest wood. He was glad to see it being put to good use.
I never throw away wood or metal on collection days here. biggrin.gif

Posted by: beth 6th Aug 2011, 04:30pm

Thankfully we still have weekly collections, until a couple of years ago it was twice weekly. we are fairly new at recycling in KZN, but lots of us try. We are issued with black bags for household and orange for recycling. One of each per week. still nothing for glass. Unfortunately a big chunk of our society knows NUTHIN about conservation and litter. Was cleaning outside my wall today and picked up 3 empty vodka bottles and a couple of KFC containers. people driving by just throw them out the car window

Posted by: angel 6th Aug 2011, 08:42pm


,I never throw away wood or metal on collection days here.
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O' tell me about it Tomi , my husband was the same "a pack rat" and today I am still trying to get rid of that garbage. sad.gif


Posted by: proudmaryhiller 6th Aug 2011, 10:03pm

QUOTE (mitchell @ 6th Aug 2011, 01:42am) *
Dae they still have the lucky ones around Oban drive and area? wink.gif


Mitchell, I think they are long gone biggrin.gif

Bilbo, can you send some of the street sweepers over here please, I don't think I've seen any about in a long time. mad.gif

Posted by: mlconnelly 6th Aug 2011, 10:05pm

We get them nearly every week in Queens X area. Mary

Posted by: bilbo.s 7th Aug 2011, 07:03am

QUOTE (proudmaryhiller @ 7th Aug 2011, 12:49am) *
Mitchell, I think they are long gone biggrin.gif

Bilbo, can you send some of the street sweepers over here please, I don't think I've seen any about in a long time. mad.gif

I don't think they would survive in your climate. You could try putting the unemployed to work, as they do here.

Posted by: Scotsman 13th Aug 2011, 09:04am

I voted for the warning in the vote. I cant stand the litter on the streets of Glasgow but lets be honest a quiet word in the ear of a tourist who is probably spending loads of money in the city would have been quite enough here. Its just not the way to go about helping the city as it is hard enough to get people to come to Glasgow now never mind sending them home very unhappy and ready to talk down the city once they are home.

Posted by: Barry 22nd Aug 2011, 06:19pm

People who litter at mcdonalds car parks grrr

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Aug 2011, 06:51pm

QUOTE (Barry @ 22nd Aug 2011, 09:05pm) *
People who litter at mcdonalds car parks grrr


Yes- terrible waste. They are throwing away the only edible bits ! laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 22nd Aug 2011, 07:05pm

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Posted by: Heather 26th Aug 2011, 08:40am

I wonder if Nick Clegg will come back to Glasgow after him and Willie Rennie had blue paint thrown over them at a meeting in the Woodside Halls.

I guess the two men who threw the paint are not too happy with Clegg's policies. laugh.gif


Posted by: Dave Grieve 26th Aug 2011, 01:28pm

QUOTE (Heather @ 26th Aug 2011, 10:26am) *
I wonder if Nick Clegg will come back to Glasgow after him and Willie Rennie had blue paint thrown over them at a meeting in the Woodside Halls.

I guess the two men who threw the paint are not too happy with Clegg's policies. laugh.gif

What will they charge him with assault or littering with intent? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Heather 26th Aug 2011, 01:34pm

Dave, they probably got off their mark after they did it.

But I wonder what's wrong with the usual cream sponge instead of paint. I think that went a bit far.


Clegg said it was par for the course and laughed it off. Well so it was reported in todays newspapers.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 26th Aug 2011, 01:54pm

Acording to the never tell a lie when a when a stretch of the truth will do, Sky News. One man will appear in court today

Posted by: Heather 26th Aug 2011, 02:03pm

So he didn't run fast enough. Hell mend him, as I don't agree with that kind of loutish behaviour

Posted by: ashfield 26th Aug 2011, 02:56pm

I think Clegg tried to gloss over the incident rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Heather 26th Aug 2011, 05:24pm

Aye Ash, it said that afterwards he was feeling a bit blue. wink.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 26th Aug 2011, 05:25pm

Overcome with emulsion?

Posted by: Heather 26th Aug 2011, 06:31pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 27th Aug 2011, 12:37am

QUOTE (Heather @ 26th Aug 2011, 02:49pm) *
So he didn't run fast enough. Hell mend him, as I don't agree with that kind of loutish behaviour

He was egged on, I think. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE
He faces charges of assault by throwing an egg filled with paint at Mr Clegg and three police officers.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030574/Ex-Lib-Dem-member-appears-court-charged-throwing-blue-paint-Nick-Clegg.html#ixzz1WBTB0eJO

Posted by: Robert Stewart 3rd Sep 2011, 12:58am

Hi Isobel, I see you are in Georgetown. The Scottish Studies Foundation runs an annual Scottish Sail on the Empire Sandy, Canada's largest sailing ship. There are still some tickets for the 11 am boarding (takes about 20 mins. for the 275 passengers). Parking ($12 All Day!) is at the Music Gardens next to the ship. It's at the bottom of Spadina on the map. Advance tickets $20 or $25 if you turn up on Sunday. Only $5 for kids up to 15 yrs! Pipers, singers, Scotch pies, bridies, free coffee, even has a bar. 3 large rooms downstairs. The 2 pm sells out around July but the 11 am is the best for parking. Hope you can make it. http://www.stewartbooks.com/toronto_tall_ship_sail.htm










 

Posted by: *Peter* 14th Sep 2011, 08:55pm

It is hard enough attracting tourists without these archaic measures, I wonder where these "fag-end polis" disappear to on weekend evenings! If you go into Glasgow city centre early on a Sunday morning it looks like a third world hovel. I'm quite sure they wouldn't approach litter-louts so readily where alcohol is involved but pick their targets carefully.

Posted by: Gayle88 14th Sep 2011, 09:06pm

Surely a quite word in the lady's ear would ahve been better?

Posted by: Agnes McManus 1st Oct 2011, 08:25am

I take it that it's only smokers who are getting upset about the 'Fag end polis'. Try throwing your fag ends away in Japan and you will get locked up!

Posted by: GG 28th Nov 2011, 06:34pm

I just noticed that there was a similar reaction from yet another foreign tourist just a month prior to our Canadian visitor's experience:

QUOTE
After a 5 1/2 hour train journey from London on Sunday I was fined £50 by a Glasgow community support officer for dropping a cigarette butt outside a cafe in the town centre. I did not see a single warning notice to let me know this was an offence and even after offering to pick up the offending butt and take it and all my luggage to place it in a bin 200 metres away, they continued to take down my name, address and dutifully informed me that my name and address would also appear in the local newspaper!

Needless to say I will go out of my way to NEVER visit this city again, luckily I was just passing through, heading to somewhere much nicer!

This is a really distasteful scam which left a really bad taste in my mouth, much worse than the cigarette!

Joos.

GG.

Posted by: andypisces 28th Nov 2011, 07:22pm

I see this so called tourist was just passing through. Reminds me of a mayor of a city here in ontario who replied to a tourists statement that sudbury was the arsehole of the world. She said and you sir are just passing through.....one of the best put downs i ever heard of.

Posted by: serabash 28th Nov 2011, 09:58pm

Maybe they shouldn't use the place like an ashtray or rubbish dump and show some respect to the city they are visiting. just a thought.

Posted by: norrie123 28th Nov 2011, 10:04pm

Hi Serabash, just what I was thinking
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: Angela Castlemilk 28th Nov 2011, 10:42pm

No-one wants to see dirty pavements but surely there are better things for these public sector employees to be doing than putting off tourists visiting my home town. Common sense would say that a more bins might be an idea?

Posted by: Scotsman 29th Nov 2011, 11:34am

Liked that one AndyP!! smile.gif

Its hard to think of any bigwig in Glasgow being that smart with such a retort.... and then no doubt if they did you would get the PC brigade on their back for being too rude!!

Posted by: scossie 30th Nov 2011, 11:21am

QUOTE (wombat @ 31st Jul 2011, 10:09pm) *
yet in oz bloody as a word is used tae greet wan another?

"hey ya bloody ratbag how ya been"or "how ya goin ya old b*****d"?

when in rome eh!? rolleyes.gif

Hi ya/all..I joined the Grand Order of Old B******s when I arrived in Oz..
Geeted my Mother With you know what when she came for a holiday.. She nearly fainted... Ha'"Ha'.

But laughed when i explained the purpose of it awe...Scossie rolleyes.gif

Posted by: droschke7 30th Nov 2011, 10:57pm

QUOTE (scossie @ 30th Nov 2011, 11:40am) *
Hi ya/all..I joined the Grand Order of Old B******s when I arrived in Oz..
Geeted my Mother With you know what when she came for a holiday.. She nearly fainted... Ha'"Ha'.

But laughed when i explained the purpose of it awe...Scossie rolleyes.gif


Was that the "Grand Order of the Old Bar Stewards" LOL

Posted by: ashfield 1st Dec 2011, 09:05am

I was just thinking, not only do we not want these tourists who drop their litter here, we don't want the people who live here dropping litter. So if these moaning minnies would like to leave us a forwarding address, perhaps we could send our litter louts over to drop their rubbish where they live.

Seem fair to me rolleyes.gif

Posted by: zascot 1st Dec 2011, 09:50am

As ma mammy used tae say "Wid ye dae that in yer ain hoose". smile.gif

Posted by: droschke7 2nd Dec 2011, 06:43am

And the Aussies call us whinging pomms? LOL

Posted by: wombat 2nd Dec 2011, 08:19pm

tongue.gif droshke7 that monikers reserved fer the english laugh.gif

Posted by: droschke7 3rd Dec 2011, 09:07am

I stand corrected I always thought that the whinging Pomms and the £10 Pomms included us Scots, my mistake

Posted by: wombat 3rd Dec 2011, 08:08pm

eg POME = Prisoner Of Mother England smile.gif

Posted by: norrie123 3rd Dec 2011, 10:12pm

Hi Wombat, I always thought that Pome was, product of Mother England biggrin.gif

Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: wombat 3rd Dec 2011, 10:23pm

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Posted by: scossie 5th Dec 2011, 06:28am

Aye Right...I was a Ten Quid tourist fur 38 years afore we got Citizenship...They asked why the wait.......You can guess my answer ..lol biggrin.gif

Ps...Nae shackle marks oan ma ankles....Ha''Ha''....Cheers fur chivers...Scossie

Posted by: Agnes & Robert 14th Dec 2011, 09:47am

QUOTE (Isobel @ 27th Jul 2011, 11:30pm) *
I think a warning would have been fine in this case,however I have visited Glasgow many times and been blown away by the garbage. So it would be nice to see it cleaned up.If this ever happened the locals would have respect for their city and keep it clean.I love the idea I bet most Glaswegians want this also.

I have to laugh at canadians criticising GLASGOW, they want to walk down east pender st. east hasting st and main st., they use the CARNEGIE building to hand out drugs to the hop heads, I'm talking about vancouver, sure GLASGOW could be cleaner and my Wife and I would like to see it cleaner, tell me a city that is spotless, I would say HONOLULU ON OAHU is one of the cleanest cities that my Wife and I have ever seen, GLASGOW FOREVER

Posted by: GG 14th Mar 2012, 11:32pm

Starting this week East Dunbartonshire Council will be following Glasgow and looking to cash in on smokers who discard their cigarette butts in public places ... so beware of wardens hiding in doorways in Milngavie!

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No Butts About It

Every day hundreds of cigarette butts are left on the streets of East Dunbartonshire and as of 12 March 2012, anyone caught dropping a cigarette butt in the street, or throwing them out their car window, will be fined £50.

To coincide with National No Smoking Day on 14 March, East Dunbartonshire Council’s Zero Tolerance campaign ‘No Butts About It’ is aimed at irresponsible smokers who drop cigarette butts in town centres. From 12 March 2012, Environmental Wardens will be issuing on the spot £50 fines to anyone caught dropping cigarette butts or smoking related litter.

Vice Convener of East Dunbartonshire Council’s Development & Infrastructure Committee, Councillor John Dempsey said, “We are committed to working with the public to advise and inform smokers as many are unaware that smoking related items such as cigarette ends, matches, plastic wrappers etc are considered litter.”

Smoking related litter affects 72% of streets in towns across East Dunbartonshire, butts become trapped between paving stones and are washed into drains causing blockages and flooding; they leak toxins that contaminate water, harm marine life and the damage the environment. Many smokers think butts are biodegradable, however due to their plastic content, experts believe they could take 500 years to disappear.

Councillor Dempsey added, “Smokers need to take responsibility and consider other members of their community, as well as their local environment. If a smoker is unable to dispose of their cigarette litter in the ashtray bins provided, they must take their litter home and dispose of it in the appropriate manner.”

East Dunbartonshire Council is launching a two week education and awareness campaign starting on 27 February and is setting up kiosks in Kirkintilloch, Milngavie, Bearsden and Bishopbriggs offering information, advice and free portable ashtrays. During this time smokers will have the opportunity to properly dispose of their litter if stopped by an Environmental Warden, however they will receive a £50 fine if they do not pick up their cigarette litter.

It is hoped by introducing £50 fines, the same as dropping a can, the streets of East Dunbartonshire will remain litter free and continue to inspire civic pride within the local community.

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 15th Mar 2012, 09:03am

QUOTE
Anyone caught ... throwing (cigarette butts) out their car window, will be fined £50.

Honestly, if they're no' gettin' us at the pumps ... rolleyes.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: droschke7 16th Mar 2012, 01:59am

I seem to remember reading something (possibly on here) that if you get caught throwing a cigarette butt out of your car, that you can get points on, or lose your license in Canada. I know that in Singapore (or maybe Malaysia) that you need a doctors prescription to be able to chew chewing gum in Public (Nicotenelle only), and god help you if you spit it out on the Pavement. These Moslem countries don't muck about.......

Posted by: A Mackinnon 16th Mar 2012, 02:29pm

QUOTE (scossie @ 5th Dec 2011, 05:33am) *
Aye Right...I was a Ten Quid tourist fur 38 years afore we got Citizenship...They asked why the wait.......You can guess my answer ..lol biggrin.gif

Ps...Nae shackle marks oan ma ankles....Ha''Ha''....Cheers fur chivers...Scossie

Reminded me of the wee joke about the tourist to Australia who was asked by the customs officer " Do you have a criminal record"? & the tourist replied "Didn't know you still needed one"! laugh.gif

Posted by: Exenon 19th Mar 2012, 10:32am

QUOTE (Agnes & Robert @ 14th Dec 2011, 08:52am) *
I have to laugh at canadians criticising GLASGOW, they want to walk down east pender st. east hasting st and main st., they use the CARNEGIE building to hand out drugs to the hop heads, I'm talking about vancouver, sure GLASGOW could be cleaner and my Wife and I would like to see it cleaner, tell me a city that is spotless, I would say HONOLULU ON OAHU is one of the cleanest cities that my Wife and I have ever seen, GLASGOW FOREVER

I would be among the first to admit that East Hastings street is a disgrace to Vancouver and the mayor of that town denying there was a homeless problem and blasting Melbourne as having the most homeless people she had ever seen calls for a severe reality check. There are no no go areas in Melbourne, but if you are familiar with the streets you mentioned then you would know that there would be little purchase in hanging around there after dark. That does not mean that the fair city of Vancouver is not a more that desirable place to spend ones life than most other large cities. Glasgow, I left and would, after one visit back, never set foot there again. The racial vilification, the religious intolerance, the violence are endemic to that city and have not changed much in my lifetime.

Posted by: GG 6th Apr 2012, 09:31pm

An East Dunbartonshire poster warning smokers about dropping cigarette ends – note how they stole our headline!

GG.


 

Posted by: A Mackinnon 7th Apr 2012, 01:29pm

QUOTE (GG @ 6th Apr 2012, 09:36pm) *
An East Dunbartonshire poster warning smokers about dropping cigarette ends – note how they steal our headlline!

GG.

Note in the "small print" they are handing out free "pocket" ashtrays!! No excuse now!

Posted by: Isobel 8th Apr 2012, 12:45am

I was reading through these posts again. I honestly feel that the council in Glasgow should step up and take some responsibility,get more cleaners on the streets. More garbage disposal area's and make sure they are emptied regularly.Stop blaming the good citizens of Glasgow.My last trip to Glasgow the weather was beautiful so many folks were on the streets , lots of garbage yes but most of the bins were overflowing.So where do you expect the garbage to go. This would of course include cigarette butts.Give the tourist a break and show them the garbage disposal bin and give a warning.

Posted by: angel 8th Apr 2012, 01:30am

Hi Isobel . I have just came back this week from Glasgow and I did a lot of walking in the city ," honestly" I did'nt think it so bad , maybe the cleansing department has smartened up it's act .

Posted by: Isobel 8th Apr 2012, 01:51am

That's good Angel .I hope you had a great time and the weather was fine for you .

Posted by: GG 8th Apr 2012, 10:32am

QUOTE (Isobel @ 8th Apr 2012, 12:50am) *
I was reading through these posts again. I honestly feel that the council in Glasgow should step up and take some responsibility,get more cleaners on the streets. More garbage disposal area's and make sure they are emptied regularly.Stop blaming the good citizens of Glasgow.My last trip to Glasgow the weather was beautiful so many folks were on the streets , lots of garbage yes but most of the bins were overflowing.So where do you expect the garbage to go. This would of course include cigarette butts.Give the tourist a break and show them the garbage disposal bin and give a warning.

Isobel, I couldn't agree with you more. We need more bins on streets, simple as that. I posted a photo previously I took of overflowing dog poo bins with the overflow lying in the streets, this was at a time when the council was running about filming dog walkers to try to catch them out!

We also need more street sweepers (who do an excellent job), as there are too few in the city, and remember this is a city with big youth unemployment issues. We also need the street cleaners back working a full week of shifts, as opposed to the four-on, four-off shifts they have been forced to change to. What happens with the new shift pattern is that streets go uncleaned for days. Have a look at the consequence of this below, in a photo I took last week.

Gold star to first reply which tells us where the street is!


GG.

Posted by: Isobel 8th Apr 2012, 07:46pm

I have no idea where this is,however I feel its a disgrace. You are more inclined to keep the place tidy if the council is also working for the same thing.Its the same thing with graffiti, if it is not cleaned off right away it just gets added to.

Posted by: Jupiter 8th Apr 2012, 09:17pm

Get that star ready GG,Im coming to get it via Springburn Way!
rolleyes.gif

Posted by: angel 8th Apr 2012, 10:05pm

QUOTE (angel @ 8th Apr 2012, 12:35am) *
Hi Isobel . I have just came back this week from Glasgow and I did a lot of walking in the city ," honestly" I did'nt think it so bad , maybe the cleansing department has smartened up it's act .

Martin , my post on this matter are my observations while walking about the downtown shopping core of Glasgow and taken from a tourist point of view , I thought it did'nt look nearly as bad as the impression that I was getting from the boards , also , not at any time in the downtown area did I see a street like the photo you have posted .

Posted by: Jupiter 9th Apr 2012, 08:08am

Angel, there is no doubt that there are many citizens who dont use litter bins and discard and drop litter on the street however I have to say I think they are becoming a minority.I think the council street cleaners do a great job,their presence is evident and they should be commended.

Posted by: ashfield 9th Apr 2012, 08:54am

Worryingly, I agree with Jupiter rolleyes.gif

Generally, I think the city centre is kept pretty clean. There are always exceptions, and it's usually to do with takeaway shops. Where I live, there are two dedicated street cleaners who deal with the debris left behind by the pupils of two local schools. Attempts to change the behaviour of the pupils have not worked, including police patrols. There are enough street cleaners, there are enough bins, there isn't enough civic pride or personal responsibility for how Glasgow looks.

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th Apr 2012, 09:04am

The worst place I have ever seen is Union Street, Aberdeen on a Sunday morning, but I suppose it is all too typical of the yob mentality so prevalent nowadays.

Posted by: john.mcn 9th Apr 2012, 11:00am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 9th Apr 2012, 09:59am) *
Worryingly, I agree with Jupiter rolleyes.gif

Generally, I think the city centre is kept pretty clean. There are always exceptions, and it's usually to do with takeaway shops. Where I live, there are two dedicated street cleaners who deal with the debris left behind by the pupils of two local schools. Attempts to change the behaviour of the pupils have not worked, including police patrols. There are enough street cleaners, there are enough bins, there isn't enough civic pride or personal responsibility for how Glasgow looks.

I agree, we've brought our kids up to pocket their rubbish, wish others did the same. Last year a friend of my son was in my back garden and just dropped his sweetie wrappers where he stood. Myself calling over to him shocked him because he didn't think he'd done anything wrong.
I was up the toon last night to go to the Kevin McDermott gig at the ABC and the streets were pretty clean, on the way i got a bag of chips out of blue lagoon, except not a bag but a polystyrene tub with a lid, dont you get chips wrapped in paper anymore? I would have thought paper was far more enviromentaly friendly than polystyrene sad.gif

Posted by: Jupiter 9th Apr 2012, 11:19am

In 2010 a new sec school opened quite near to me and at the lunchtime the pupils are drawn to the chip shop which is also quite near me.At once the residents were plagued with the sight of cartons,crisp packets and other detrious tossed into gardens.
A number of calls and emails to the school resulted in swift action by the staff who reminded pupils of their responsibilities and I can say now the problem has all but disappeared.
It seems to me that education is the first line of defence against littering.

Posted by: GG 9th Apr 2012, 01:52pm

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 8th Apr 2012, 09:22pm) *
Get that star ready GG,Im coming to get it via Springburn Way!
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Well done, Jupiter. Surprised you could see it under that mess!

GG.

Posted by: GG 11th Apr 2012, 12:25am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 9th Apr 2012, 11:05am) *
... on the way i got a bag of chips out of blue lagoon, except not a bag but a polystyrene tub with a lid, dont you get chips wrapped in paper anymore? I would have thought paper was far more enviromentaly friendly than polystyrene sad.gif

I've noticed this also, John. More and more fish'n'chip shops are using these containers as the standard for packaging their meals. I think their use has a lot to do with the greater preference now for variations in chip shop meals, especially where there is gravy or curry sauce to be added – try putting those over chips wrapped in paper!

Of course polystyrene is not biodegradable, so the danger done to the environment is huge. The new containers must (at 10p per unit) also be more expensive than a couple of sheets of paper, a cost no doubt added on to the meal.

GG.

Posted by: GG 11th Apr 2012, 12:29am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 9th Apr 2012, 11:24am) *
In 2010 a new sec school opened quite near to me and at the lunchtime the pupils are drawn to the chip shop which is also quite near me.At once the residents were plagued with the sight of cartons,crisp packets and other detrious tossed into gardens.
A number of calls and emails to the school resulted in swift action by the staff who reminded pupils of their responsibilities and I can say now the problem has all but disappeared.
It seems to me that education is the first line of defence against littering.

Couldn't agree more, Jupiter. If children are educated as to the consequences of their actions, I am sure that they will be more likely to change their ways ... and the earlier, the better. Former council leader Purcell thought that the school litter problem could be effectively tackled through tough enforcement and fines; I'm not sure if many Glaswegians would agree.

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 11th Apr 2012, 12:35pm

GG you should take your camera to Shettleston Road on a Saturday and I am sure you will get similar findings to Springburn Way. Also go to the bus stops around the Forge and you will get the same again. I agree that the town is usually okay but Sauchiehall Street does tend to look really run down from litter and other things.

Posted by: Jupiter 11th Apr 2012, 12:45pm

Scotsman I have only one word to describe what was once the classiest street in the land-SKANKY.
No more no less.I used to love walking along Sauchiehall Street but now I think it has degenerated into a slum.

Posted by: ashfield 11th Apr 2012, 01:24pm

The problem with sausage roll street is that it is too far away from the main shopping areas now so it is just wall to wall pubs, eateries and takeaways. Beyond the pedestrian precinct to Charing Cross it is now Bar Street, whoever granted the number of licences should be made to sweep the place twice a day forever rolleyes.gif Anyone know where Councillor Coleman lives tongue.gif

Posted by: Heather 11th Apr 2012, 05:07pm

I was in town today, up Sauchie, down Buckie and along Argyle.

Sauchiehall Street looked clean enough but dismal in some way. I noticed five closed shops between Hope Street & Cambridge Street. These shops are quite big, so maybe that's what gave the area a dismal appearance.

Posted by: mlconnelly 11th Apr 2012, 05:23pm

I agree Heather, the closed shops definitely make the street look run down and dismal. I dont understand why the Buchanan Galleries has to be extended when there are empty properties all over the place that could be used, breathing new life into the city centre. I don't particularly like shopping in shopping malls as I like to see whats happening on the streets, some of the buskers are brilliant. Mary confused2.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 11th Apr 2012, 05:26pm

Aye, there's no Pettigrew & Stephens, Copland & Lye, Trerons , Lyons etc


No La Scala, no Gaumont.

The Willow Tearoom looks strangely out of place, near a pound shop and the Celtic shop. The Savoy shopping centre is a shoddy downmarket affair.

Posted by: Melody 11th Apr 2012, 05:36pm

I agree, lots of parts of the city look very lack lustre these days. I wish the shops and pubs would get their windows cleaned now and again. It's bad enough seeing so many shops closed down without the existing ones looking so dirty. I agree with you Mary in that I much prefer street shopping. I've said before in shopping malls you could be in Bangkok or Banknock. I like to hear all the voices and music on the street.

Posted by: Heather 11th Apr 2012, 05:45pm

I like St. Enoch Shopping Mall but I am not keen on the Buchanan Galleries and I don't see any reason to extend it.
As you said Mary, there are plenty closed shops that could do with some one buying them and re-opening them.

Aye your right Bill, all those big shops whose windows we gazed into in wonder when we were children are all gone.
It reminds me of the poem, Oh where is the Glasgow that I used to know. sad.gif

I was in St Enoch Centre today and it was packed with the children still being on holiday from School.
Argyle Street was busier than Sauchiehall Street.

Posted by: tamhickey 12th Apr 2012, 05:26am

I was in Ferguslie Park in Paisley for the last couple of days on a filming project. Many outsiders imagine this area to be violent and drug ridden, and to some extent, there's some truth in this, but it doesn't tell the whole story. I met some fine people who were community activists attempting to change this viewpoint. Education is, without doubt where change starts. This was evident when we spoke to a young girl aged ten who was proud to show off her schools' environmental attainment; - they had achieved four green flags over the last six years. These flags are issued by the local council to schools who attain excellence in recycling and general cleanliness as well as a de-littering policy. This is a great idea as the children can be proud of their efforts, and lessons learned early are lessons learned for life. There are set targets for the children as well, and they are urged to pass on the lessons to younger children and family members.
I have to say, whilst in the area, there was very little litter as people begin to take a real pride in their community.
Initiatives like this can only help foster a more community orientated populace and bring some much needed pride to the area. Perhaps some of these ideas ought to be adopted in Glasgow?

Posted by: A Mackinnon 12th Apr 2012, 02:00pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 11th Apr 2012, 05:31pm) *
Aye, there's no Pettigrew & Stephens, Copland & Lye, Trerons , Lyons etc

No La Scala, no Gaumont.

The Willow Tearoom looks strangely out of place, near a pound shop and the Celtic shop. The Savoy shopping centre is a shoddy down market affair.

Have to agree, I was brought up at Rose St & Sauchiehall St in the 50's & 60's & now I can't believe the state it's in!! From high end stores with their classy window displays to "Pound" stores with junk in them what a come-down! God knows the last time the windows were cleaned!! I remember the wee guy who used to clean the window in Trerons & C&A, he kept them sparkling, summer & winter.
On the plus side, the city appear to be at least trying to keep on top of the litter problem as every time I was there a worker was vacuuming up any garbage that had been dropped.

Posted by: bilbo.s 12th Apr 2012, 06:08pm

Rose Street - that brings back memories of many happy hours spent in the Cosmo, back in the 50s and 60s. I used to walk from Killermont St bus station to my school in Holland St and back every weekday in the 50s. My aunties would often take me for afternoon tea in Pettigrews, or maybe tea and a pie with gravy at M&A Brown. I bought my first records at Biggars (still there) and loved Lyons shop at the corner of Elmbank St. High tea at La Scala while watching a movie - those were the days !

Posted by: Melody 12th Apr 2012, 06:42pm

Aw Mr Cosmo, my dad used to sit with me with the newspaper and ask me to find Mr Cosmo. wub.gif

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Posted by: A Mackinnon 12th Apr 2012, 09:24pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 12th Apr 2012, 06:13pm) *
Rose Street - that brings back memories of many happy hours spent in the Cosmo, back in the 50s and 60s. I used to walk from Killermont St bus station to my school in Holland St and back every weekday in the 50s. My aunties would often take me for afternoon tea in Pettigrews, or maybe tea and a pie with gravy at M&A Brown. I bought my first records at Biggars (still there) and loved Lyons shop at the corner of Elmbank St. High tea at La Scala while watching a movie - those were the days !

I lived right across the street from the Cosmo one up, at #11, Bob the doorman would let us in for free whenever we liked, also got to see most of the great "Glesga" busker's entertaining the queues waiting to get in.
We also went to Biggars & go in the booths & listen to the latest records pretending we were going to buy them even though we had no money!! Hung around the "Luxur" café in my teen years and loved the whole area as it had everything a young person ever wanted.
Our house was always packed at the week-end with my sisters (seven of them) & their pals getting ready for the dancing, mostly the Locarno, but the pubs & clubs like the "Maryland" was also a favorite haunt.
Archie.

Posted by: beth 13th Apr 2012, 07:12am

I worked in the Gaumont box office for a while 1968/69. One of the most fun jobs I ever had. Mum was disgusted with me for "working in the pictures, you don't need O'levels for that" was her war cry

Posted by: Doug1 22nd May 2012, 07:02pm

Ah wonder if these two enforcement dorks would have done the same thing in Parkheid or Possil ???

Posted by: rikkiduncan 22nd May 2012, 08:12pm

I agree with earlier post, the jobsworth pick their targets, they don't go near groups hanging around outside pubs, or young shellsuit gangs, they pick the easier option, that is unfair if they are going to impose fines to one set of people they must do it to all. But the craziest law is fining homeless people for drinking in the open, £60 which there is no chance of ever getting paid, which leads to court appearance then increase in fine which wont get paid, which ends up with a jail sentence, all leading up to the tax payer paying for everything.

Posted by: weebren3 27th Jul 2012, 05:45am

I think that is a poor excuse to use,just because cig, were lying in the street,the woman put hers out the same way from what she saw.Dont Litter,you got a raw deal,and I feel a warning would have been enough.No one asks for a passport until ask to see there ID cause that is not a safe thing to do.I do hope they go back to Glasgow,just A bad day for you thats all.(do you put yout butts out where you live?) There is a law in doing that anyplace you visit,but ask to see there ID first.

Posted by: GG 28th Aug 2012, 06:39am

From the Sun today ... another visitor not coming back to Glasgow?

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A Spanish footy boss was collared by Scots litter wardens for chucking his cigar on the street.

Levante chairman Francisco Catalan, 36, right, copped a £50 fixed penalty fine for dropping the butt outside the Celtic superstore on Glasgow's Argyle Street.

The La Liga bigwig had been on a sight-seeing tour before his team's Europa League qualifier against Motherwell on Thursday.

One onlooker said: "He looked every bit the Spanish businessman standing outside puffing away on a fat cigar while his staff had a look around the shop.

"He just chucked the end on the pavement. Maybe you can get away with that type of thing in Spain but not in Glasgow with the wardens about."

The Catalan gave the wardens a Spanish address and has 14 days to cough up the fine.

A Glasgow City Council spokeswoman said: "Our Clean Glasgow campaign takes a zero tolerance approach."

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 28th Aug 2012, 09:59am

Aye.... an I bet the footballer will take a "zero tolerance approach" to paying the fine once he gets hame!! rolleyes.gif

Wit a surprise that they are still targeting the well dressed respectable people when you can go outside any Glasgow pub any time of the day and you will see the scrufs chucking away their fag ends.

Posted by: serabash 28th Aug 2012, 10:41am

I would say well dressed or not a litter lout is a litter lout. IMHO.

Posted by: bilbo.s 28th Aug 2012, 11:47am

Quite so, Serabash, but I think Scotsman's point is that the warden's only pick on easy targets, but are scared to confront the tougher-looking elements in society.

Posted by: Scotsman 28th Aug 2012, 02:00pm

Yes thats my point Bilbo.... why pick on this easy target when to be honest the guy probably doesnt know about the law when there are loads of people who do know about the law and throw much worse than a fag end on the ground. Seems like these wardens are targeting the wrong people because they are probably too scared to go after the real culprits.

Posted by: serabash 28th Aug 2012, 03:49pm

Aye scotsman and bilbo isn't it always the case. They go for the easy target just like the goverment with the sick the old and the children. The world is full of bullies.

Posted by: GG 13th Sep 2012, 09:38pm

Seems that the council is so caught up in chasing smokers who drop their fag ends that they have all but given up on the epidemic of litter in the city. The two photos below show a Glasgow city street this week.

GG.




 

Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Sep 2012, 09:57pm

Time for Singapore tactics?

Posted by: Charlotte1988 27th Sep 2012, 02:44pm

If they were littering I don't see why they shouldn't have had to pay the fine. Just because there are a lot of cigarette ends on the floor does not mean that it's ok to throw yours there.

Posted by: A Mackinnon 27th Sep 2012, 05:32pm

QUOTE (GG @ 13th Sep 2012, 10:53pm) *
Seems that the council is so caught up in chasing smokers who drop their fag ends that they have all but given up on the epidemic of litter in the city. The two photos below show a Glasgow city street this week.

GG.

This can't be Glasgow!!!! Not a "No Parking" painted Yellow line in sight! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: droschke7 28th Sep 2012, 03:56am

I fully agree with Bilbo Singapore rules are needed, at one point in Singapore, if you were seen chewing gum, you had to produce a Doctors note proing that it was for medical reasons. ie Nicotine gum.

Posted by: Doug1 28th Sep 2012, 10:38am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 28th Aug 2012, 01:02pm) *
Quite so, Serabash, but I think Scotsman's point is that the warden's only pick on easy targets, but are scared to confront the tougher-looking elements in society.


Aye, Like Ross Kemp

Posted by: bilbo.s 28th Sep 2012, 10:54am

Has he been dropping litter as well? unsure.gif

Posted by: klingon 29th Sep 2012, 02:06pm

I had a rammy with 2 smoking Nazis in Paisley this week-I was having my teabreak fag break and did my usual-dropped the dout in the stank in the gutter-next thing these 2 jokers dig me up for littering!-where?-nae dout visible and nae litter caused-coupla officious haufwits clown.gif who huvney anything better to do with their time-I work in a garage with diesel engines belting out black smoke and mechanics burning out rubber bushes with burning gear-yet I've got to go ooside in the rain for a fag?-bliddy madness! angry.gif

Posted by: Shawney Bean 12th Oct 2012, 11:21pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 13th Sep 2012, 11:12pm) *
Time for Singapore tactics?

Try littering in that fair city. Yes filth is created by slovenly people. Yes there is a case for Singaporean tactics as far as grubs treating the streets as they would their home.