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> Labour Routed In Glasgow, Every Labour MP in city loses their seat
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post 9th May 2015, 10:23pm
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QUOTE (*Denis* @ 9th May 2015, 06:20pm) *
The SNP put the Torys back in power they kept on saying they would back up Lab.

CaMoron said SNP would back Lab if that wasn't a blog what is. SNP knew this would happen and the real Scott's will not forget what Sturgeon has done. Independence NO chance now.

Glasgow East End a 20 year old girl come on whos kidding who a kid who won't know her **** from her elbow.


Looks like it's not only a 20 year old girl that doesn't know her arse from her elbow Denis, you seem to be having the same problem, Natalie McGarry who is the MP for Glasgow East is 34 years old, you must be thinking of Mhairi Black who won the Paisley & Renfrewshire seat from the hapless 47 year old Douglas Alexander who still thinks he was thrown out on his elbow.

Scots did not forget what Labour did when they sided with the Tories, independence has every chance now.
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post 9th May 2015, 10:39pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 10th May 2015, 12:31am) *
Looks like it's not only a 20 year old girl that doesn't know her arse from her elbow Denis, you seem to be having the same problem, Natalie McGarry who is the MP for Glasgow East is 34 years old, you must be thinking of Mhairi Black who won the Paisley & Renfrewshire seat from the hapless 47 year old Douglas Alexander who still thinks he was thrown out on his elbow.

Scots did not forget what Labour did when they sided with the Tories, independence has every chance now.


Well said, Jagz. Do you reckon "Denis" is a typo ? rolleyes.gif


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post 9th May 2015, 11:32pm
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Some quotes to urging Jim Murphy to act in a decent manner:

Ian Davidson, the Labour candidate who lost his Glasgow South West:
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He was elected as party leader on the basis that he was an MP. Only MPs and MSPs can stand for the leadership. Morally, as the man who has led us to the biggest ever disaster that Labour has suffered in Scotland . . . of course he can’t continue.

The process of rebuilding the Labour party has got to start with an examination of both personnel and ideas. And therefore Jim has got to do the honourable thing and resign. I’m sure once he has got time to reflect, he will do that.

The Scottish secretary of Unite, Pat Rafferty:
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Change must begin with a new leader. It is surprising that Jim Murphy should feel he still has a mandate to lead the party after Thursday‘s results. I do not say this out of any personal animus.

Jim fought a courageous campaign, and the party’s problems clearly long predate his leadership. But staying on as leader will only prolong the party’s agony. Scottish Labour must be rebuilt from the ground up, free from the taint of machine politics and the legacy of the misjudgements of the last Labour government.

ASLEF's Kevin Lindsay of the Scottish train drivers' union:
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Jim Murphy has just presided over the worst election defeat in the history of the Scottish Labour Party. He has to go — and he has to go now.

Ed Miliband, Harriet Harman, Nick Clegg, and even Nigel Farage have all stood down, accepting responsibility for, and the consequences of, defeat for their parties at the polls. It is, therefore, quite clear to most of us in the Scottish Labour Party what the right thing is for Jim Murphy to do.

Ironically, those four are still Parliamentarians. Jim Murphy isn’t. His position is untenable. What he does not appear to understand is that, with being leader, comes responsibility. Now Jim Murphy’s moral judgement is being questioned by the Scottish people as he tries desperately to cling on.

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Post-election Scotland prepares for an uncertain, exciting future


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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/ma...ionalism-future

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post 10th May 2015, 12:59am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th May 2015, 08:24pm) *
Do you mean where i'm going wrong or where the country is going wrong mate? unsure.gif

Where the country is going wrong!
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post 10th May 2015, 08:07am
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So Glasgow kicks out Labour and the sore losers run down the democratic process in Glasgow, suggesting that the voters don't seem to know what they were doing.
The Americans have a word for this, it's of a bovine nature, begins with a 'B' and ends with a 'T'!
B******T! Got it?

The sore losers seem to think we should welcome the perpetual swing of the pendulum from the Blue Tories to the Red Tories.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, they think.
Except it WAS broke!
There are many reasons why Labour were wiped out, the main one being they weren't up to the standard expected by Scots.
Will they learn any lessons from this disaster (For them)?
I doubt it.
Since they haven't made Murphy fall on his sword by now, they show that they think it's business as usual.
The longer they leave it, the more damage they do.

To those who say 50% of Scotland didn't vote for the SNP, it didn't bother them when Labour was in, so why bother now?
In any case, the other 50% are of various other political parties and those who didn't vote.
In a First Past the Post contest, that's known as Democracy!
The Blue & Red Tories could have changed that, they didn't because it suits them very well. Up to now.

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post 10th May 2015, 10:12am
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Totally agree Alex. thumbup.gif
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post 10th May 2015, 10:14am
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QUOTE (eidas @ 10th May 2015, 02:07am) *
Where the country is going wrong!


I'm intrigued eidas, in your opinion, where is the country going wrong?
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post 10th May 2015, 10:36am
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The SNP 1.5m votes and 56 MP's against UKIP's 3m votes and 1 MP argument cracks me up, do these people not get it that UKIP stood in 650 seats as opposed to SNP's 59... I need to stop looking at those Unionist facebook pages biggrin.gif


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post 10th May 2015, 10:37am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 10th May 2015, 10:22am) *
I'm intrigued eidas, in your opinion, where is the country going wrong?


Been a while since an expat away for decades told us here we were wrong to want free from London control wink.gif


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post 10th May 2015, 10:45am
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QUOTE (GG @ 9th May 2015, 11:40pm) *
Some quotes to urging Jim Murphy to act in a decent manner:

Ian Davidson, the Labour candidate who lost his Glasgow South West:

The Scottish secretary of Unite, Pat Rafferty:

ASLEF's Kevin Lindsay of the Scottish train drivers' union:

GG.


To be fair to Murphy he became SLabour leader to make history, i dont think anyone would argue that he didn't achieve that biggrin.gif


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post 10th May 2015, 11:22am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 9th May 2015, 04:39pm) *
Too late for back peddling, stay on topic.


No back peddaling just badgering by you and as you said STAY on Topic, and on Topic the SNP got only 34.4% of the possible votes due to a 71% turn out they didn't even get a majority of the votes cast, a majority has to be over half or over 50% they didn't get it they only got 49% of the votes cast or 34.4% of the total possible vote. SNP got 1.4 million votes and 56 seats, UKIP in the whole of the UK got 3.5 million votes and got 1 seat, Conservatives in Scotland got 800,000 votes and got only 2 seats, Scottish Labour got 700,000 votes (or half as many as the SNP) and got No seats, does no one else see how wrong and undemocratic that is?
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post 10th May 2015, 12:04pm
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QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 12:30pm) *
SNP got 1.4 million votes and 56 seats, UKIP in the whole of the UK got 3.5 million votes and got 1 seat


These are not comparable. SNP votes came from an electorate pool of around 4 million, the UKIP votes came from an electorate pool of around ten times that. No SNP candidates stood in any constituency south of the border. Rather as there were no Plaid Cymru candidates standing against UKIP anywhere in Scotland.


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post 10th May 2015, 12:08pm
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It seems that it's only wrong and undemocratic when the SNP win votes. It's perfectly fine when the country was carved up between the Tories and labour but a failing in democracy when the SNP wins.
The conservatives got less than 37% of total votes cast in the UK(that means the dead, absent and non voters aren't counted) but hold a majority in the HoC, thats democracy but getting a smidgen under 50% isn't.
Trying to compare UKIP's share of the vote when they stood for election across the UK against the SNP's when they stood only in Scotland shows either how naive you are or manipulative, their share of the vote in SCOTLAND was 1.6% or 47,078 votes..hardly a case for calling the vote undemocratic.


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post 10th May 2015, 12:12pm
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You pick whatever statistic suits you.


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