More potentially worrying news concerning Glasgow schools today with the announcement that in excess of 2,000 schoolchildren in Glasgow could be adversely affected by Glasgow City Council proposals to close 13 city primary schools and 12 nurseries. The council has indicated that a full consultation process will take place involving parents, staff and unions before any move takes place in August this year.
The BBC however reported that concerned parents had contacted the news corporation accusing the council of acting in an "underhand" manner, with some expressing the opinion that the proposed consultation would be "a sham".
Parent Agnes Green from Glasgow said:
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"I've just been told that my son will have to move schools in August if this proposal goes through. I can't believe the council was so underhanded. We were told three years ago that there was a new school getting built in the Ruchill area. Now my child's supposed to go to Westercommon Primary in Possilpark.
No way. I'm not standing for this."
Parent Paul McMillan from Glasgow said:
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"It's clear that this is a financially motivated decision as Glasgow City Council expects to save £3.7m per year from these closures. There will be the all too familiar sham consultation process, and then the plans will be rubber-stamped by the council. Merging nurseries and primary schools into large groups will not lead to better education for children.
The positive ethos and atmosphere which many of these smaller establishments currently have will be lost."
The council said that it had spent £550m on school building improvement over the past 10 years - building 64 new schools and refurbishing five others, mainly using the PPP financing scheme.
Steven Purcell, Leader of Glasgow City Council, said:
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"I want to be absolutely clear that this is not financially-driven. It makes no sense to manage half-empty buildings but every penny we will save in this exercise will be reinvested in the establishments the pupils transfer to."
Councillor Patricia Gibson, education spokeswoman for the SNP, said:
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"Labour's claims that the Scottish Futures Trust (SFT) is unready to meet the needs of Glasgow schools are simply not true.
Taxpayers in Glasgow will be paying for Labour's discredited PPP secondary school project for decades; that Labour-controlled Glasgow has chosen not to be among the councils working constructively with the Scottish Government on the SFT proposal is very disappointing".
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Taxpayers in Glasgow will be paying for Labour's discredited PPP secondary school project for decades ...
What a horrendous prospect for the poorly educated children being churned out by our schools -- not only the worst-qualified kids in the country, but they will be saddled with an obscene combination of local debt from local Labour folly in school building, as well as paying their part for the huge national debts accumulated for them by the national Labour party funding of illegal foreign wars and grotesquely costly bail-outs of a failing banking system!
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I attended a public meeting/consultation on the proposed closure of Crookston Castle secondary, a few years ago now . I have to admit , i felt at the time it was a waste of an evening .I got the feeling the decision had already been made , and the meeting was just to make it look like things had been done 'by the book' . Now there is a brand new ,nursery/primary combined on this site . Children from quite a distance have to travel there , as three , that i know of , primaries were closed ,and all diverted to this one school . Not fair on the children having to walk so far in my opinion. I think a bit more thought should go into what is being done , i feel that a lot of hasty decisions are being made . Then the schools that are closed down , dont get used for anything else , just demolished , more money wasted .
The school next to us closed a few years back when a new one was built and it was a nightmare, let me tell you that our local shop closed, the site was a frequent target for fire bugs and drug users, not to mention becoming a drinking den for local teenagers running riot at the weekend. Eventually they knocked it down and it has now become a huge garbage tip for people to travel to and dump beds, sofas, weights benches, ironing boards, you name it!!!
I don't understand what all the fuss is about? If the schools are old and decaying then moving pupils into better accommodation and using the money saved to improve the standard of education is just what is required, it may be unpopular, but it is also progress IMHO.
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Guest Gert , You are totally right regarding old school buildings being closed , and pupils transferred . However , there are some of these school buildings not that old at all , i find that a waste , when there are so many homeless and single people looking for housing . Surely it would make more sense ,to convert the better buildings into single apartments to help these people , it would get their feet on the first rung of the ladder to building their lives again . Surely putting money into futures would be a better way to go? as it costs money anyway to demolish , refurbishment of some of these buildings would be a win ,win situation for so many. I just feel the council dont consider the longer term results of what they are doing .
As a very concerned parent at one of the schools facing the chop, I must express my serious concerns that what is being done will ultimately be of any material benefit to our children. Time and time again I have read that Glasgow's schools are improving and getting additional 'Brownie' stars from government inspectors, however the reality could not be more different!
Glasgow schools - as the SNP council education spokeswoman said this week - are the worst in the country in terms of allowing our children to attain the qualifications they so badly need in today's highly-competitive jobs' market... and it is not just this year, or last year, but for decades. To suggest that somehow closing a few schools will change Glasgow's poor, poor attainment record is simply a nonsense... in fact the very real threat is that by causing more disruption and confusion our children's education will suffer further.
Also it is ridiculous to say that all the teaching buildings involved are half empty, crumbling schools... take St Gilbert's Primary School for instance, the school's motto is "St Gilbert's, where anything is possible". The school is the beating heart of the resurgent Germiston community with long-established local connections where children are encouraged to live up to its proud history and overcome the social and economic problems which surround it. It is a good school, producing good children in very challenging circumstances, to abandon it in this despicable and reprehensible way is not just a disgrace, but a betrayal of the local community and of the futures of our children.
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I went to Wyndford Primary School during the 70's and this school was relatively new then, having been built for the new 'Wyndford Estate.' It was the nearest to a shared campus for many years that I had ever come to see in the West of Scotland. Wyndford (non-denominational) and St Gregory's (RC) lived side by side in harmony. Of course in terms of shared campus, they only shared the same proximity - no shared playground, dining or sports and sadly in those days it was still segregated.
Both schools are not outstanding in beauty but they do appear to be in good order, warm, and well used. If they really had to save money - why not merge both these schools and use the one building? Of course that comes down to the problem of the religious education and segregated schools, which is as always a highly emotive and sensitive issue on any forum.
Let's see if common sense can prevail over religious views on this one. Wyndford would move to Parkview in Summerston and St Gregory would go to St Mary's in Kilmun Street. Ok, are they going to provide buses? Are they seriously suggesting that little kids are shuttled around the area, especially if the parents have a younger child at the nearby Nursery? How do they manage the logistics of it? This hasn't been thought out well at all, but no doubt will be rubber stamped and closure will follow and communities torn asunder.
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The local School for my g'children is St. John Ogilvie in Easterhouse. This meant having to take a bus that runs one every half hour and is not reliable. I can safely say that as I used that bus for 14 yrs going to work and spent a fortune on taxi's.
My son lives around the corner from us in Springhill, Baillieston. The nearest school is St. Bridget's which is a 2/3 minute walk away. Yet we are in the Placement area and he is not.
But when these house's were built the Council decided for some crazy reason to send the children all the way to Easterhouse and never offered to put on a bus, it was up to the parents to take the children. At the same time the Council were busing children from Carmyle to St. Bridget's in Baillieston. Crazy or what.
So the parents had to apply for a Placement in St. Bridget's and go for an interview and explain why the children should not travel to Easterhouse. Once one child in the family was attending St. Bridget's it was easier for the other children in the family go there.
As far as I know the situation has settled as there have many more private house's built in the area.
The Council have their own agenda for closing schools and I do not trust them as they probably want to sell off the land to Private Developers . All the more money for their useless trips abroad.
There is no Catholic High School in our area so the children travel out to Coatbridge. My g'son goes by train as the Station is nearer for him. The bus the Council run only goes from the Main Street.
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I went to Wyndford Primary School during the 70's and this school was relatively new then, having been built for the new 'Wyndford Estate.'...
Thomas, here's an SNP press release which mentions Wyndford:
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Labour cuts hit Glasgow schools, 2009-01-23
Parents protesting Glasgow Labour's school closure programme have been supported by SNP MSP Bob Doris today.
Commenting on the Labour-run Council's plans Mr Doris said:
"The savage school closure programme proposed by Labour controlled Glasgow City Council is worrying. I have spoken to parents who learned of the proposed closures in the media.
"I fear that a decision has already been taken and that the consultation about to begin may be a case of the City Council merely going through the motions.
"These proposals should be halted in their tracks and real engagement should start with parents. Only then should the Council come back with any proposals that will enhance the education provision of Glasgow's school children.
"I have met with parents from two effected areas in Wyndford and Ruchill. There is a huge amount of anger.
"What Labour councillors are proposing is a demolition job on the community.
"Parents have also been left wondering about what will happen to the Autism Unit based in Ruchill primary if the school closes.
"I will be protesting with parents from these schools outside Glasgow City Chambers and the ruling Labour Group must show they are capable of listening and responding positively.
"It seems Glasgow City Council may be deliberatelyattempting to undermine efforts by the Scottish Government to reduce class sizes and it is the children and parents in our city who will suffer."
...and Mr Doris's quote to the BBC on the matter after a demo at Glasgow City Chambers:
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"I have met with parents from two affected areas in Wyndford and Ruchill. There is a huge amount of anger.
Wyndford is losing two schools and closure will leave this hard-pressed area devastated at a time when it is desperately trying to attract families into the community.
The Wyndford has experienced several tragic events in recent months and is trying to rebuild. The relatively new but successful head teachers in both St Gregory's and Wyndford primaries are part of that rebuilding exercise.
What Labour councillors are proposing is a demolition job on the community.
Alex Shepherd from Ruchill told Socialist Worker, “There’s been no consultation. We just got the letter informing us on Tuesday.
“They have shut our swimming baths and the sports centre. There’s nothing left for communities like Ruchill, Lambhill and Maryhill.”
Mandy Main from Germiston, who is on the Parent Teacher Association at St Bride’s school, added, “We have no community centre now.
“The post office has been closed and there are no shops open after 6pm. What are the kids supposed to do?”
In an almost unbelievable move, the council also plans to give Glasgow property developers a £3.7 million bailout to protect them from the effects of the credit crunch.
The Labour council is ripping the heart out of working class communities while subsidising property sharks.
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The decision to close Glasgow schools was passed by the Executive Committee of Glasgow City Council on Friday 23rd January:
Labour - 12 voted for, one was absent. Lib Dems - abstained. SNP - voted against the school closures. Scottish Greens - voted against the school closures.
As Labour councillors account for 13 of 20 on the committee the motion was passed, and so yet again the education of Glasgow schoolchildren is destined to be damaged because of Glasgow City Council's shockingly poor performance in contingency planning ... of course the council's planners, managers and councillors will still be coining it in regardless, although the jobs of some teaching assistants, teachers and jannies may go!
For My Local School St Agnes Primary Cadder, Glasgow. we also found out about these underhand dealings in the media and by letter, we as parents are furious that the council have not even planned these proposals properly and rushed them through, they say it's not a money saving exercise but does the phrase commomwealth games spring to anyones mind, I wonder where the money is coming from???? If Local to school or have any connection look at:
The decision to close Glasgow schools was passed by the Executive Committee of Glasgow City Council on Friday 23rd January:
Labour - 12 voted for, one was absent. Lib Dems - abstained. SNP - voted against the school closures. Scottish Greens - voted against the school closures.
As Labour councillors account for 13 of 20 on the committee the motion was passed, and so yet again the education of Glasgow schoolchildren is destined to be damaged because of Glasgow City Council's shockingly poor performance in contingency planning ... of course the council's planners, managers and councillors will still be coining it in regardless, although the jobs of some teaching assistants, teachers and jannies may go!
and the one labour councillor i bet who was missing was from the maryhill area last i heard he was just back from holiday
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