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> Buying Dogs & Cats In Pet Shops............., does this exist anywhere else.
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post 26th May 2004, 12:07pm
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Just been in my local pet shop, and they have just developed an area to sell puppies and kittens..........................ggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Thought this barbaric act was a thing of the past.
Does it happen where you live.? mad.gif






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post 26th May 2004, 01:17pm
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jazzy, I am not sure I understand what you mean... I thought a pet shop would be the best place to buy a puppy or a kitten ?
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post 26th May 2004, 01:37pm
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Hi Leeninaus,
Pet shops are only open in specified times.....what happens when they close and the animals have be fed, to have their bedding changed, have you ever seen the mess puppies make, 8 or so in a small box , crapping all night with no one to clean up behind them, and not forgetting the socialisation, wherby they are subjected to various aspects of everyday life.

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post 26th May 2004, 03:16pm
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what specified times jazzy ? I know here the petshops are open 6 sometimes 7 days a week, I have to be honest and say I do not go into a pet shop.. even my Grandaughter knows my phobia of rodents so ( her being an animal lover ) will go inside whilst I stand out ( usually having a cig ) are those that you see under-nourished ? usually cat & dog owners over feed their pets with silly tidbits etc!! for the most, 4 legged pets only need to be fed a maximum of twice a day !! I don't know about the Netherlands, but (again from the few I have seen ) here kittens & adult cats have enough kitty litter till the pet shop staff come on in the mornings! whereby it is refreshed, & the water & feed bowls are changed!! puppies are usually let out into the back yard of the shop at various intervals during the day for excercise & doing their whoopsies ! Again, I don't know about where YOU are, but here usually kittens & puppies in pet shops are not of the thoroughbred variety, (they have to be bought from a breeder).. they are usually X babies that have been born & abandoned, just the same as those in animal havens... I for one would rather see them in a pet shop window as to imagine their fate of being thrown out to wander the streets or drown sad.gif another song has just popped into my head !! "How much is that Doggy in the window? the one with the wagilly tail "
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post 26th May 2004, 03:17pm
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Jazzy,

We have them here too in some pet stores. I often think it's cruel to see them in cages one above each other. And the price they charge? Crazy! And I don't even think about letting my daughters go in there to see them or they want to buy all of them and get very upset that they are in cages. They have a little dog who is spoiled rotten! I don't agree with them being there either. I think it's much better if you buy them from a family home...as long as it's not just a puppy mill. That's cruel too.
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post 26th May 2004, 03:35pm
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Hi Leeninaus,
Specified times like 10-6pm, monday they dont open till 1pm. never open on Sundays here unless in tourist areas, its little puppies that need feeding4/5 times per day, so do kittens, I think its only youngsters that are in the windoows
I bought my first chocolate labrador from a shop window at a pet shop at glasgow cross, from memory, I think it was called bob's but im not sure.
I do not think this is allowed in the uk now either to keep them in shops.
I think personally, its a cruel practice all round, regardless of their breeding.
to keep them in this manner




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post 26th May 2004, 03:42pm
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I agree with you in many respects tammy, BUT, where would these animals be if they weren't in the pet shop ???? of course they wouldn't be in cages, neither would they be in animal havens.....they wouldn't be sitting cosily by a family fireside either, that is WHY they are usually in the pet shop in cages ( should the pet shop proprieters let them have free reign over the premises ? )
these poor young animals are usually abandoned for many reasons, the pet-shop owners ( albeit hoping to make a profit from someone saying aaagh to the doleful look of so called puppy or kitten) take in these strays, when the callous owners abandon them for reasons known only to themselves !
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post 26th May 2004, 03:44pm
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I'm sitting here waving the white flag! wink.gif
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post 26th May 2004, 03:56pm
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jazzy, sorry, we probably posted at the same time !! OK I can understand your feelings... from what I am led to believe ( a friend of my son's works in a pet shop) here it must be different !! I don't know about the rest of Aus, but in WA they have very stringent laws about pets.. & the RSPCA come down like a ton of bricks on anyone either privately or commercially that do not abide by their stringent list of do's & don'ts... commercially the businesses are an open window so they usually adhere to the law.. privately it is different, only if someone reports their suspician of animal neglect can it be proven !

It just goes to show, politically, laws either for human or animal differ from country to country !!
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post 26th May 2004, 04:36pm
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Yes leeninaus, You are so right about the laws differing from country to country, just looked on the yahoo jut out of interest, and its not just country to country, in the UK, but county to county laws & licensing differ on the keeping of live animals now, in shops, not just Dogs & Cats.
There are so many different laws within the E.U. about many different issues, You would think they would put their heads together and agree on the same things.



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post 26th May 2004, 05:55pm
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I have a Bullmastiff, he is my baby. He is crate trained, we thought at first NO WAY then we had a long talk with our vet. We used to put Aonghas in his crate if we went out ( when he was a baby and not toilet trained) It was his house. We would say ok Anghas we have to go out, you need to go in your crate, he was upstairs before us. Now of course he is trained and has the run of the house allday. He still sleeps in his crate at night, in our bedroom with his little bed abd babies. No I would not buy a pet from a pet store. You are better buying from a breeder. That's of course if you want a purebred puppy.


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post 26th May 2004, 06:23pm
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Marion, you wouldn't buy from a pet store yet Anghus was trained from a crate ? I think any breeder would be abhored at the thought !!! In my mind pets are like children, if they are borne or brought up with caring parents who adminster discipline along with love ,and show WHO doles out what is right from wrong then the whole family can enjoy what is so called "Family Life" pets like children adhere to a master ( OR SO i AM TOLD!)
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post 26th May 2004, 06:36pm
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Marion, I have a Wiemaraner, who is pure bred also, and I because of her real bad chewing, and on the advice of my vet have had to crate her, its a biggish crate, she can stand, turn no problem, her food & water bowl is in there if I go out , for short periods, in hot weather, where its to hot in the car, whilst i'm in the supermarket. say periods of half hour or so, The weimaraner club also recommed this. I had real difficulty at first because I had to escort her in the crate but now, I just call her name, and say bed, and in she goes with her tail wagging behind her..
My opinion of the shop thing stands, in so far as the puppies and kittens are left from 5/6pm in the evening, and not attended to the following day say from 10am when the shops open.





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post 26th May 2004, 08:20pm
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Leen, I love my Aonghas like my kids. If you leave a pup in the house alone, you will come back to all your furniture etc chewed, also pee and poo all over. My Aonghas is with me all day in the house, my god he even takes his nap on my bed, goes on the couch, doesn't bother me him going on the furniture. This is the second Bullmastiff we have had, he is like one of my kids. His crate is his house, he loves going there at bed time. Ask any vet about using a crate. It is not a punishment!!! Jazzy I love weinaramers, Haydans other g/parents are on their third one. Mr Ashley is his name wub.gif
We paid over 100 dollars for Aonghas's crate, the biggest I could fine, tons of room for 2 of then in there. Aonghas cost me $800 I am not about to treat him any differently from my kids


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post 26th May 2004, 08:39pm
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Leen you said " Aonghas trained from a crate" I would like for you to tell me what you think crate trained means. I think you have it all wrong. Most breeders crate trane their pets Leen


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